[Ansteorra] Point Scores

[Elisava Illiesca]

There is an event like this, Laurel Prize Tournament.
I had the opportunity to go to the last one, and put out my art, and 
received a lot of very helpful positive feedback from the Laurels.
the feedback has helped me a lot with improving my art and I really enjoyed 
it.
-Lady Elisava Illiesca


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rose" <rose_welch at yahoo.com>
To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Point Scores


I would like to go to an event where, instead of (or in addition to) an arts 
and sciences competition, there were an arts and sciences commentary 
instead.

I would like to set out what I've finished and/or am working on, and instead 
of a judge writing a score on a form, they speak to me instead, and tell me 
what they think. Saves paper and misunderstandings. :)

I think that the idea of a score is really daunting, whereas having a short 
conversation with a more learned person on a topic that I love doesn't seem 
scary at all. I know that I'd have to sit by my work and wait, as opposed to 
setting it down and walking away, but it would so be worth it! (Especially 
if there were a bunch of us. It would be like an artists luncheon, plus 
constructive advice hour. In other words, heaven!)

Anyway, there's probably something like this already, and I've just missed 
it... :)

Note: I'm NOT saying that we should do away with competition! I would just 
like to see this occasionally, in addition to the wonderful artistic 
activities that our kingdom already does.)


-Rose the Obnoxious




Wonder is the cause of delight because it carries the hope of 
overy.     -Thomas Aquinas

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, Christie Ward <val_org at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Christie Ward <val_org at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ansteorra] Shenanigans and calculating point scores
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 2:45 PM


One of the things that the Laurels Retreats have tried to do is to help 
Ansteorran Laurels "calibrate" judging by bringing some sample items to 
judge, then discussing the scores assigned at various ends of the spectrum 
and why.

Despite such efforts, scoring A&S is really variable. Some judges start at a 
perfect score and deduct. Some people start at the median score and add or 
subtract from there. For me, on a 100 point scoring system, 100 points would 
represent an item that was 100% period in technique and materials, and 
well-documented. I have co-judged with people who refused to give a perfect 
score because the only piece that would merit such in their eyes would BE an 
actual period artifact (a view I found illogical and unreasonable, but what 
are ya gonna do?)

The "well-documented" part is because WITHOUT good documentation, there's 
really no way for the judge to be able to assess how splendiferous the piece 
really is. You could have a "perfectly period in practically every way" 
piece that the judges can't score well because you didn't provide enough 
info in the documentation to allow them to do so. Not sure what to do with 
documentation? The Laurels' Website has good "how to write documentation" 
articles available to help you at http://laurel.ansteorra.org/

I also think it's a GREAT idea for EVERY SINGLE ARTIST who ever enters a 
scored A&S competition to ask a Laurel to let you accompany them and help 
judge a few times. The reason why is that when you yourself have to figure 
out what to put on the page, you QUICKLY find it's harder than you would 
think! Doing this with a Laurel who will explain their thought processes to 
you as they develop the score for an item can be invaluable in understanding 
the scores you receive on your own work. EIther help judge an area you are 
not entered in yourself, or judge at a competition where you have no entry 
at all to maintain fairness.

One of the harsh realities of serving as an A&S judge and giving real 
feedback is that some people entering these contests are unwilling to 
receive anything BUT praise. I've had people who told me to my face to "not 
pull any punches, tell me the harsh truth" get all bent out of shape when I 
suggested places they could improve their next project. Don't take your 
score as being equivalent to a scholastic "grade". It's just a point total 
on a judging form, not a commentary on your worth as a human being.

My personal belief is that if you do not genuinely want to know how you 
could improve a piece, you should not enter it into competition. If all you 
want is praise, you should take it to a Laurel and say, "See my spiffy new 
whatsis! Isn't it lovel?" This cues the Laurel to make a generally amiable 
statement, smile brightly, and sidle away to make a break for it. You can 
also get this effect by entering populace-judged bean-count competitions.

::GUNNVOR::

Still long-winded.







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