Black Star (Pet Peeve)
keandbc at ix.netcom.com
Mon Jul 24 22:56:10 PDT 1995
>> >Nice to have such consistant personal ethics. Just how do you
>> >is "inviting it?" People you don't like or disagree with? How
>> >In any event, the discussion (until recently) has not consisted of
>> >"personal attacks" and even then there is something a bit more
>> >about makiing an honest complaint (which seems to be your
definition of a
>> >"personal attack") in a pulic forum.
>> Michael, I don't know why I keep doing this (guess I like beating my
>> against a wall.) However, I will (once again) attempt to explain
this to you.
>> You invite inflammatory comments by being belligerant,
>> insulting, petty, and rude. You do this to people who have done
>> you other than disagree with you, or object to your abuse of others.
>> (in my observation) a singular case, only involving you. You attempt
>> justify these actions under the guise of being "honest". I,
>> hundreds of honest people in the SCA, who do not need to resort to
>> measures to portray their "honesty".
>> Allow me to point out to you a simple fact of human
>> Most people (a least, those who are skilled in basic courtesy) will
>> displays of "negative emotion" private, lest they embarass
>> start rumors, or unwittingly damage another's reputation. You,
>> have no sense of embarrassment, nor a care for anyone else's
>> does you no credit.
>> One more thing. The electronic media does not belong to
>> Newsgroups, chat areas, IRQ's, and other such areas DO. Every area
>> own standards of conduct, and makes that information public, so that
>> entering that realm will embarass themselves by acting
>> believe someone as learned as you has heard of FAQ's.) You, sir,
>> *our* standards of conduct frequently (and, I believe, willingly;
>> even eagerly.) Standards that are determined by the overwhelming
>> our populace.
>> If we all get together and buy a house, and invite other
>> it; we expect them to behave as we desire. If they do not, they
would not be
>> welcomed back. I am sure that you don't really believe that so many
>> disapprove of you. Or perhaps you don't care. On the off-chance that
>> the former; let's conduct a little experiment. If any of you reading
>> thread feel that Michael has violated our "standards", please copy
>> following statement, and send it as a ***PRIVATE*** message to
>> litch at eden.com :
>> Michael: I feel that your behavior is innapropriate
>> for this newsgroup, and wish you would attempt to be
>> more polite, and less abusive.
>> If, on the other hand; you think that I'm blowing smoke; please cut
>> paste the following (also private):
>> Michael, you're doing okay. Don't worry about it.
>> I don't want an answer, a tally, or any sort of report back. This is
>> for your benefit. However, I've been in this group for awhile, and
>> certain of the outcome. If I'm right, Michael, remember; it's OUR
>My, aren't we being gracious by excluding Michael from "our" house?
>Personally, I'd prefer "our" house to be open to anyone who wants to
>visit, even if they drag the mud in. I don't like the mud, but I
>don't find it much more pleasant when people try to rub offenders'
>noses in it like bad puppy dogs to make them behave like _we_ think
>they should. As Michael has pointed out in the past, we frequently
>a rather hypocritical "moral" high ground in our responses to him. (Or
>am I the only person in the world who thinks it's a bit ironic for
>somebody who is supposedly in the right to tell somebody in public
>that they "invite inflammatory comments by being belligerant,
>abusive, insulting, petty, and rude?" It just seems like a pretty
>belligerant, abusive, and insulting comment to me, even
>if it may be right. You know, sometimes Michael is right, too.)
I don't think that the wording of Alden's message excludes anyone. His
use of the word "Our" could easily include Michael Litch. ("Ours"
sometimes equals "yours and mine") I did send Michael Litch the Email
as Alden suggested. I felt that it was a simple request to moderate his
I value anyone's opinion and, in the short time that I have been on
this forum, I have noticed Michael Litch have some interesting and
constructive ideas. I have also seen him irritate others and myself for
no apparent reason.
I have always been a great proponent of politeness. I feel that manners
are the grease that lubricate the gears of society. Without grease the
gears grate on each other and sometimes break.
I have asked people around me, in the past, to modulate their tone or
their language. I see nothing wrong with asking someone to do so on
this forum. It is Michael Litch's right to tell me to go to hell, but
I will have asked him politely not to.
It is possible to disagree strongly with someone without being rude.
Check out the following two statements.
1) "That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. You're an idiot."
2) " I strongly disagree with your idea, and think that it is
ill-considered. I'm certain that if you rethink your idea, you will
change your mind."
Both of these statements convey the strength of your conviction. With
either statement it's pretty obvious that you're dead set against the
idea. The second statement contains no personal attack and no
buzzwords. To me buzzwords are words that have a negative connotation
by themselves. Put them in a sentence describing someone and that
someone is very likely to be offended.
Anyway, I think Michael can air his opinions without being rude. He
seems to have an excellent command of the language. Erudite, even...
when he wants to be.
>C'mon, Michael, if you want, you can share my bit of carpet over here
>the corner until they throw us both out into the backyard; you for
>being an ass, and me for being an idiot.
>Shire of Mooneschadowe
>miller at pp.okstate.edu
If I met Michael Litch I might invite him to my home and show him
hospitality, but if he cussed in front of my Lady, or hogged the remote
control, or was in any other way rude ( by my definition ) then I might
ask him to leave.
Gunhilda, I don't think we're asking anyone to leave ( are we, Alden?).
Don't be so hard on youself. I think you are a very smart Lady.
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