I. Marc Carlson
LIB_IMC at centum.utulsa.edu
Thu Oct 31 23:06:48 PST 1996
<Lyonel<amazing at mail.utexas.edu (dennis grace)>>
>I may save this set of postings and use them in class. Here we see a
>classic example of two individuals arguing at cross-purposes due in part to
>a lack of shared assumptions.
Be my guest. I suspect that you are correct, and if something useful can
come of this, then it has been worth the effort.
>...OTOH, as a writer I find that few events darken my life as
>thoroughly as rejection slips.
I could not agree more.
>Critiques from the editor on the other hand (if they're rational and
>considered) lessen the blow...
This is also true. It is, in essence, what I am referring to when I
say that it is not the principle goal of the competition. It is a
reassuring thing (if, in my opinion, a trifle too rare) when it does
>...Essentially, this is an aspect of A&S judging I believe both
>Diarmuit and my own dear Aquilanne do not address...
Well, we were *asked* to not dwell on the failures of the judges :)
>...Furthermore, I believe this aspect of judging necessitates continued use of
>written critique in some form. I, for one, don't want county fair judging
>standards, wherein Molly Applemasher can win the apple pie contest by stint
>of--mmmm, let's just say appropriately *mollifying* certain judges. Why,
>you might ask, did her pie win? Why, because it was the best, they will no
If it were possible that we were able to guarantee that sort of reasoned
standards in judging, then yes, I would likely not have my objections to
the use of critiques in A&S competitions. I may be a bit too cynical to
expect that, however.
>Perhaps Diarmuit meant between competitors, and I can agree. Aquilanne was
>clearly talking about kindness and nurturing from the judges, however, an
>attitude that Diarmuit's previous postings appeared to support.
No, I meant from the judges.
The problem here is that I am not discussing the *ideal*, that judges
*should* be kind and nurturing (I think that they SHOULD try to be,
however), but rather the harsh reality (as I see it) that they will
fail to be.
If that is unfair, that is unfortunate. I also believe that even in
the SCA we have a few of our own "Molly Applemashers" who have gained
their victories by, um, mollifying the judges. I will not apologize
for those beliefs. But they are why I would prefer to separate
competition from placing my work out for straight evaluation.
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