ANST - "Newbie"

dennis grace amazing at
Mon Aug 4 16:14:42 PDT 1997

Greetings, Cosyns,

Lyonel ici.

Sir G of Bristol notes:
>Lyonel wrote (in part):
>>I say we call them "players with less experience than ourselves" or   
>>who have attended less than two events" or "players who want help with   
>>aspects of assimilation into the SCA."  Better still, meet them and   
>>their names.  In discussion of the problem of assimilating inexperienced
>>players into a group, I've referred to folks I haven't yet met as
>>"newcomers," but I don't want to apply such terms to individuals.   
> Labels
>>like that have a tendency to stick.

And draws the following conclusions:

>Perhaps I am misunderstanding, but it seems Lyonel is saying it's OK to   
>"newcomers" when referring to a group, but that such a term shouldn't be
>applied to individuals.
>Accepting this, isn't it OK to apply the term "newbies" to a group, as   
>did in his original post?

Hmmm.  Bit of a leap there, but an understandable one.  Point by point, then:

(1)  I never said the term "newbie" is unacceptable.  I said it's
diminutive, devalorizing, and an unfair label.  I don't care for the term.
I don't like seeing people's efforts belittled by attaching cutesy little
labels to them like "newbie."  However, if you want to use the term, you
have every right.  I just want everyone to know that doing so has potential
ill effects.

(2)  I didn't say using the word "newcomer" was acceptable.  I said I've
done it. Usually I've used to the term "newcomer" when discussing
hospitaller issues. Consider that claim more of a mea culpa than an example
to follow.

(3)  Even if I agreed with labeling, I find "newbie" a less palatable term
than "newcomer" or "new player."

(4)  As for Caladin's posting on the sword wrapping, what function did his
statement "this is intended for newbies" (I'm sure that's a miss quote, but
it should be close enough) serve?  If he'd left off this claim, would a
different crowd of folks have gone to check out the information?

lo vostre por vos servir

Sir Lyonel Oliver Grace
Dennis Grace
University of Texas at Austin
English Department
Recovering Medievalist
amazing at

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                           AElfric of York


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