In a message dated 7/22/97 3:02:56 PM, you wrote: <<P.S. Offensive but funny sig line on Lord Osgar's e-mail: "If a man speaks out loud in a forest, and there are no women around to hear him, is he still wrong?">> I'm sure he is just on the principle of that we just always seem to be wrong and/or at fault. : ) Iago