ANST - Fighting awards/orders...

Chris and Elisabeth Zakes moondrgn at
Thu Nov 6 14:37:48 PST 1997

At 08:12 AM 11/6/97 -0600, Pug wrote:
>Actually I don't know that G&P #5 says it's not "tournament combat". It
>and the other clauses I quoted *imply* it, but none of them come out and
>say it. To quote it again, it says:
>  Rapier combat, not having been part of formal tournament combat in the
>  Middle Ages, shall not be a part of formal tournament lists for royal
>  ranks and armigerous titles.
>I can read this several ways.
>1) Rapier tournaments can not be used to make Royalty. (ie. King,
>   Prince, etc.)
>2) Rapier combat is not "tournament combat". This means that Knights
>   can't be made due to skill in rapier fighting.
>3) Rapier fighting can not be used as a "measuring stick" for making
>   *any* armigerous titles. This means no award structure based on
>   fencing. (ie. no White Scarves since they carry a grant)
>Remember, if someone can misconsture what you mean, they will,
>especially in official documents. People always try to get around the
>rules, cause it's more exciting.
You were close on number 1: rapier combat cannot be the tournament style
for ranks (not just Crown). But one can be given an armigerous award for
rapier combat. Nothing was meant about rapier combat not being a tournament
style. At least that is how I understood it at the time.

Bryn Gwlad

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