ANST - ANST- Ladies Chest Protection

[Burke McCrory]

At 08:46 PM 10/28/97 PST, you wrote:
>>Greetings from Lady Vanora!
>>
>> I'd like to do a "poll", here. Humor me, please:
>>
>> There are some discussions going on concerning ladies' chest 
>>protection. Ansteorra has a rule stating that women have to wear 6-8oz. 
>>leather over the breasts and sternum... while Coorporate says a 
>gambison 
>>over the same area is sufficient. Quite a few of us ladies would like 
>to 
>>have Ansteorra's rule dropped to the Coorporate rule. We can prove that 
>>there's no danger of cancer from being hit, that there's no long-term 
>>harm, and that the only difference between a man and a woman getting 
>hit 

This was discussed at length at Crown by a group of lady fighters and the
Earl Marshal and later in the Belted Circle.  There will be a change in the
Ansteorran standard coming very soon.  Check with the Earl Marshal to get
the exact wording.  We are also looking in to trying to get Corporate to
make the chest protection optional, but this will take some time and
require documentation to bring before the Society Marshal and BOD.


>>in the breasts arrises ONLY if she is lactating. 
>>
>> So, what do you think... drop the rule OR mandate chest protection for 
>>all men in Ansteorra?
>Greetings Lady V. and Ansteorra in general,
>   While being hit in the chest area does not cause cancer, nor may 
>there be "long term" harm the rule about leather on female chest wasn't 
>put there to annoy women.  On the contrary, it was put there for a 
>reason.  There may be quite a few ladies who are not overly hampered by 
>extraneous appendage in the upper chest, however for some of our more 
>generously endowed ladies, if they aren't sufficiently forwarned, they 
>may possibly lose a nipple to a pinch tween stick and kidney belt.
>   This may not happen often, but it may happen more often if they rule 
>isn't there.  See, you cannot compare other countries female armament to 
>Ansteorran because frankly, we have a rep for fighting in the least(its 
>to hot most of the year) and we also have a rep for fighting 
>hardest(rhino mean anything to anyone on this list?). 

This topic was discussed on several Kingdom lists right after pennsic.  It
was the general censuses of fighters who fight people from different
Kingdoms all the time that Ansteorra in general take a blow that falls in
the middle of the SCA.  The Kingdoms that were generally thought to require
a harder blow were Atlantia and An Tir.  Perhaps your experience is not
broad enough to have encountered fighters from the rest of the SCA.  


>Not all of our fighters are this way of course but for the safety of our
women folk, 
>chest leather isn't that big a deal.
>   As for dropping the one or creating the other, why should men be 
>forced to wear a protective device for something they dont have. 
>Honestly, I'm not sure I like the idea of groin gaurds for women, but I 
>also haven't heard of alot of groin shots to women either.  I never 
>recieved one, nor had I heard of one the year I fought. I could be wrong 
>however, its been known to happen..:)
>
>>You can respond to me personally  at <vanora at hotmail.com> or back over 
>>the mailing list. Just be aware that opinions expressed WILL go to our 
>>earl marshal and WILL be put into kingdom files where it WILL be read.
>Yes ma'am, I understand..and also understand this, I don't fight 
>anymore.  I couldn't deal with the continual bruising, or the blood 
>clots that formed as a result so my opinion may not be worth much in 
>this area.
>
>Rachel Shepard
>Most recently in lovely 
>Mooneschadowe
>


In Service to the Dream

Sir Burke Kyriell MacDonald
Kingdom of Ansteorra


mka. Burke McCrory
burkemc at ionet.net
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