ANST - Princes and Princesses
Paul Mitchell
pmitchel at flash.net
Mon Apr 13 14:46:14 PDT 1998
Decker, Terry D. wrote:
>
> > The desire to create a principality, I think, has more to do with
> > upgrading the status of a region than with chopping up the kingdom.
> > When a shire goes for barony status, no one complains that they
> > want to leave the kingdom. I don't understand why people fear
> > secession when a region starts talking about going for principality
> > status, but they do.
> >
> > - Galen of Bristol, Knight of Ansteorra
> >
> The change of status from shire to barony does not normally affect any other
> group.
What "other group?" If we take the Southern Region as an example,
then all the branches _within_ that region are affected if it
becomes a principality. Branches in other regions would probably
also be affected. Likewise, I strongly suspect that Greywood,
Stargate, Shadowlands, and other groups were affected when Raven's
Fort became a barony.
I have heard baronial grumblings when a canton grew to be a shire.
> It might also be enlightening to see what would happen if a Barony broke
> from a Principality to create a Principality.
It happened in Drachenwald; shortly after Drachenwald became a kingdom,
the Barony of Nordmark upgraded to principality. I know that's not
quite the same thing, but it's close. In the case of Nordmark, as
with most advancements in branch status, it was not achieved without
growing pains.
> While there are examples to the contrary, the general experience has been
> that principalities become kingdoms.
I submit that when talking about SCA branches, experience is less
indicative than is intent. I don't believe that _any_ region in
Ansteorra could _ever_ generate enough support for secession to
get it.
Ansteorra's regions represent
> geographical areas established for administrative purposes. As you have
> pointed out previously, they are not recognized SCA groups. They may have a
> regional identity and they may become a principality, but there is little
> chance of a region successfully seceding from a Kingdom. Once a region
> becomes a principality, the threat of secession becomes real, even if the
> reality is not likely.
The Western Region could seceed to join the Outlands, or the Northern
Region
could join Calontir, and I don't find either of these more or less
likely
than the idea that they would ever want to leave Ansteorra to stand
alone.
But if a principality has a population that _doesn't_ _want_ _to_
_leave_
_its_ _parent_ _kingdom_, then it will stay in the Kingdom. No
principality
will be created without a consensus of the membership of the proposed
principality. And no principality can ever become its own kingdom
without a consensus of its membership for that seperation.
> Bear
- Galen
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