ANST - Principality Arms Discussion

Tim McDaniel tmcd at crl.com
Sat Feb 21 13:54:06 PST 1998


On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Dennis and/or Dory Grace
<amazing at mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
> Cool. I still like the idea of the laurel wreath having a
> star in base, where the two stems would cross/meet.

There are two problems.  The lesser one is that there's no
good way to express it in herald-speak.  "Issuant from" has
been proposed, but I've only seen it for the edge of a
shield or a line of division.  For example, the arms of
Ansteorra has "overall issuant from base a demi-sun gules"
for that partial sun sinking into the bottom.

The only way I can see to describe the proposal is in
English, "and overall a mullet on the place of intersection
of the two laurel sprigs comprising the wreath", which is
really awkward and poor style.  It's also not precise -- how
large a star is there?  Comparable in width to the laurel
wreath, or much larger?

The larger problem is that the reason it's basically
unblazonable is because it's basically not heraldry.  The
language of blazon evolved to describe coats of arms, and is
well-adapted to that.  I've never seen anything like the
proposal in period armory.  (A seal at Fair Park or Texas
state designs is not evidence for medieval use.)

I believe it would probably be returned for Non-Period
Style, unblazonability, or unreproducable blazon -- which
here basically all boil down to the same thing, NPS.

Daniel de Lincolia
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