ANST - Name variation (Was P-word)

[Bill Sholar]

Daniel,

I'm curious. Have you changed the way you call yourself in speech? And
if you had things to do over, would you register the (new) written form
or the spoken form?

Giraut d'Avinho
Giraudus de Avinione
Gerard, that guy from Avignon
or simply,

--Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Timothy A. McDaniel [SMTP:tmcd at crl.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, February 19, 1998 11:08 AM
> To:	ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG
> Subject:	RE: ANST - P-word
> 
> A few people have asked about "de Lincoln" becoming "de
> Lincolia".  I asked Baron Talan Gwynek, a total name stud
> from Cleveland, what language my name would have been
> written in in period (Latin, for my 12th C. persona) and
> attested forms.  "Lincolia" is in Domesday Book, one century
> earlier.  There are various other undated-but-period forms,
> but they're at home and less common anyway.  There's at
> least one DB example without "de", and "Danielis" (yes,
> "-is" not "-us") is also attested.
> 
> Baron Talan has been a great help to this kingdom, by the
> way.  He's stopped his activity in the SCA College of Arms,
> but he still comments copiously on our internal submissions.
> We hardly have any commentary once our submissions leave
> kingdom -- I just cut-and-paste some of his text.  He also
> gives us the ability to return unregisterable names
> in-kingdom, which is much quicker.  I cannot praise him
> enough.
> 
> While I have the pulpit (and I *have* been posting a lot
> lately, haven't I?  Sorry): There are two common
> misconceptions about period naming.
> 
> One: that names were fixed.  I may have been Dannet to a few
> friends (tho I have evidence for that form only from much
> later), Tall Daniel among the clerks, Daniel Richard's son
> among others ...  Spelling also varies, especially when the
> Latin-based writing system wasn't well-matched to the
> language.
> 
> Two: that anything goes when it comes to medieval spelling.
> Sure, swap "e" for "y" or "i" at will!  Add an extra "e" at
> the end!  Double letters or single them!  Uh, no.  The
> phenomenon is sometimes called "Ye Olde Englysshe
> Spellynge", and it produces non-medieval results.  *Some*
> languages have evidence of *certain* variations, but you
> have to know the language, the culture (Anglo-Irish or
> Irish?), the date, and the context to know.  (Maybe in late
> Germany they could substitute cotton for linen in their
> wimples, say, but maybe not for underdresses in early
> Navarre.)  Not knowing the range myself, I'll stick to
> attested spellings.
> 
> Danielis Lincolnia
> -- 
> Tim McDaniel.   Reply to tmcd at crl.com; if that fail,
> tmcd at austin.ibm.com
> is work account.  tmcd at tmcd.austin.tx.us ... is wrong tool.  Never use
> this.
> 
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