ANST - Re: [SCAHRLDS] Titles and styles (fwd)

[Tim McDaniel]

The Name Goddess of the West replies.  If you get upset at
being called kah-tree-nah when you spell your name Catriona,
well, now you know a way that the Irish pronounced it in
period.

Be Warned: You May Have Your Gaelic Name Unexpectedly
Pronounced Correctly, Even When You Don't.

Daniel "I know *I* be upset at being called kah-tree-nah" de
Lincolia

    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
    Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:33:46 -0800
    From: Heather Rose Jones <hrjones at uclink.berkeley.edu>
    To: SCAHRLDS at LISTSERV.AOL.COM
    Subject: Re: [SCAHRLDS] Titles and styles

On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Tim McDaniel wrote:

> Oh, I'll go on.  (Tangwystyl, wanna critique these proposed
> pronunciations?)

Only a few.

> Caitlin: Kite-LEEN, not KATE-lin.
> Catriona: Kuh-TREE-uh-nuh, not Kat-ree-OH-na.

You have to remember that sometimes Irish vowels aren't real vowels --
they're just there for beaurocratic purposes. While the palatalization of
the following "t" does slightly affect the "a" in "Cait-", it really isn't
so strong as to diphthongize it: kaht-leen. In the second, the "o" is only
there to protect the "n" from any palatalizing effects of the "i" -- it
isn't pronounced as a vowel at all: kah-tree-nah.

> Cedric: KED-rik, not SED-rik.

Since Sir Walter Scott invented the name, why not ask what _he_ thought
the correct pronunciation was? I'd be willing to lay odds that he
pronounced with an "s". Since the name didn't exist in period, it seems
pointless to make a fuss over what the "correct" period pronunciation
should be.

The pronunciation of various of the Irish names mentioned would vary
considerably depending on what century they were being pronounced in.
"Aodh", for example, would be pronouned with a voiced "th" in the early
medieval period, but by the end of period, it sounded a lot more like
"Eh".

Tangwystyl
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