ANST - sighh....

Bob Dewart gilli at seacove.net
Wed May 5 14:23:28 PDT 1999


Marcus said:


>At 02:39 PM 5/5/99 , you wrote:
>
>>in this game, everyone is assumed to be a equal nobility, right? and that
>>being the case *everyones* opinion must matter equally ... last i checked
>it was
>>purchased on the merit-badge system that seems to be the norm, and frankly
>>merit badges never had meaning for thsi one.
>
>Perhaps I am mistaken, but I always understood that we were considered
>landed nobility at the start of the game, and it was then our option to
>achieve higher if we wished to put forth the effort. Rather like the
>constitution saying we are all created equal, but where we go from there is
>due to our own works and efforts.
>
>>free speech and expression of personal opinion is a RIGHT in this culture
>>not a PRIVALEGE earned or given by self-imposed social superiors ...
>
>While it is true that the 'government' shall make no laws abridging my or
>your right to free speech, there is no such guarantee on the Internet, nor
>on this list. Again, I may be mistaken, but I am under the impression that
>pug owns the list, and has graciously allowed us to use it. And at any time
>he may at his whim and discretion stop any topic he feels is detrimental,
>and he may also remove any member as he see's fit... regardless of payment
>to Milipitas.
>
>>to my mind, attitudes such as yours reflect a darker aspect of the SCA and
>are
>>often stated common contributing reasons why people burnout, get fed up,
and
>>choose to leave or allow themselves to be driven out.  from many young
>>people i speak to, it's often reason given why they decide to bail after
>finding the
>>group.  it's a reflection of the unofficial social caste / clique system
>>inside  the the SCA  that many (self included) find so reprehensible.
>
>Why does this attitude bother you so much? That you should be part of the
>work and participate in the trenches before you are allowed to stand up and
>speak out on the decisions regarding the results of that effort seems like
>a natural course of events, and not some dark aspect of the SCA.
>
>I have been part of many clubs and groups before, and it has always been
>policy that while anyone can come in, sit, and enjoy the hospitality of the
>group, it was still left to those that had done the work to sit together
>afterwards, iron out the problems and see what solutions could be made.
>This reminds me of the movie "A Bugs Life" my wife brought home recently.
>The ants would work all year long, and then the grasshoppers would come in
>and decide what would be done with the efforts of that work, and how best
>for the ants to work harder next year so that the grasshoppers could enjoy
>everything more.
>
>>what it boils down to, if you measure your worth by your level of local
>>service, awards, merit badges, political position, whatever  ... more
>power to
>>ya'.  i don't and never have.  dosn't make either right, dosn't make
either
>>wrong ... but both have to co-exist.  i value your opinions and would hope
>you
>>are wise enough to listen to mine ... you might find some value in them if
>you
>>listen.
>
>Maybe I missed it... but I haven't seen anyone spell out their alphabet
>soup yet in defence of their idea.
>
>Marcus
>(Alphabet soup available on request)


Gilli says;
Thank you, well said.
What he said.

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