ANST -Patent of Arms

[jonwillowpel at juno.com]

Hi I know I am late in answering this question. Duke Jonathan and I were
the crown that decided not to include a Patent with the Rose. We did a
poll of the kingdoms that gave Patents with the Rose and discovered that
a number of them had at one time or another refused to give a Patent to
an ex-queen because they felt that she did not act like a peer. Many
times this seemed to be just nasty politics. The Queen stepping  down is
often punished for what the King did,  A Queen has a special place in our
dreams. She is supposed to be the paradigm of courtesy. People develop a
special place in their hearts for "their Queen"  It upsets people to have
"their queen" treated badly. Also because queens are special ex-queens
are suppose to behave better than the rest of the people.  It looks very
bad for "Queens"  to be impolite to each other.  While we hoped our
kingdom would never fall to that level we decided to take "the peer" out
of The Rose  and make it automatic so we would not tempted to act badly. 

When we were writing our first laws the BOD told us at the time that they
were doing away with the simple patent. They wanted all patents to be
linked to an order. Kingdoms that had the custom of giving a patent to
the crowns that stepped down were allowed to keep that custom but since
we were just beginning we didn't have that custom. It was implied that
they did not wish to see that in our laws. Jonathan and I talked this
over with our advisors and the general feeling was that the title you 
got as an ex king and queen was enough award. Most Ansteorrans, at that
time, felt if you had done something special then you deserve a Pelican
for your work. Just giving a person a peerage for sitting on the throne
seemed like rewarding them twice. 

In this kingdom the people have respected the Crowns deeply. We have
earned that respect with hard work and it is more of an honor than any
amount of paper rewards. Getting a pretty scroll saying you have a Patent
means nothing. Having the people trust and believe in you means
everything. I was at a Inter kingdom with Calintir when I was Crown
Princess and that night the belly dancers got up and His Majesty Inman
started to dance. All the Ansteorran cheered and clapped. Afterward the
king of Calintir ask His Majesty how he get away with that and still have
people respect him.  His Majesty looked a little confused and stated "It
because I am the King." 

Willow de Wisp

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:45:21 -0500 "Genevieve de Courtanvaux"
<gdc at airmail.net> writes:
> I wrote to Countess Margaret because I knew she had recieved a Patent 
> of
> Arms when she stepped down in the Kingdom of the East and this is 
> the reply
> that I recieved. This may or may not help you in how a recieving a 
> Patent of
> Arms works.
> 
> Countess Margaret says:
> 
> Keep in mind that I haven't looked this up lately, and things may
> have changed from when I actually cared about it (back when I was 
> awarded my
> patent).  It was explained to me years ago (as Crown Princess of the 
> East)
> by the East Kingdom Herald that technically, it is a Patent of Arms 
> that
> makes a Peer.  Until you have been awarded your arms by letters 
> patent, you
> are not technically a peer of any realm.  Royal Peers fall into a 
> different
> category than the "earned" peerages (a misnomer if I ever heard 
> one!), and
> are treated differently by different kingdoms.
> 
> As a bit of inter-kingdom anthropology, in Ansteorra, the following
> occurs when a first-time Queen steps down:  she is automatically 
> awarded her
> County (per corpora); she is automatically made a member of the 
> Order of the
> Rose, and; she is not granted letters patent.  Ansteorra does not 
> recognize
> non-patent holding Royal Peers with a patent when they step down but
> nevertheless accords such Royal Peers with the precedence and 
> respect of
> someone who has earned their peerage by earning letters patent.
> 
> On the other hand, when an Eastern Queen steps down, the following
> occurs:  she is automatically awarded her County (per corpora); the 
> Order of
> the Rose is polled to determine if they feel she is worthy to be 
> inducted
> into that Order, and; the patent-holding Royal Peers are polled on 
> whether
> or not she is worthy of being awarded her letters patent.  I know of
> instances where a Queen has been voted down in both pollings and has 
> not
> been awarded either the Rose or the Patent.  I was awarded my Rose 
> and a
> "naked" Patent of Arms (meaning letters patent not attached to one 
> of the
> three peerage orders) in 1992 (I think), so my precedence as a Peer 
> dates
> from then.
> 
> Technically, a patent-holding Countess would outrank a
> non-patent-holding Countess (or maybe even a non-patent-holding 
> Duchess?) no
> matter when either lady become a Countess, but in all practicality, 
> it
> doesn't really matter.  You get the respect you have earned, and I 
> really
> don't know of anyone who minds terribly if someone else gets to 
> process in
> order of precedence before them!  :-)
> 
> 
>
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