ANST - Fwd: FW: Just Say No!

[Wayne / Duncan]

Toshiro, while I appreciate your intentions, I do not believe that sending
this message to everyone on Ansteorra-Net is appropriate. Perhaps next time,
you should forward messages such as this to individual e-mail addresses,
instead of mailing lists.

Duncan Hepburn
Steppes, Ansteorra
mka Wayne Ross
7 year Army veteran

----- Original Message -----
From: Jesus Cavazos <toshirokoi at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 10:19 AM
Subject: ANST - Fwd: FW: Just Say No!


>
> Regardless of how you felt about the Viet Nam War,  or even if you weren't
> alive during it,  you should know this.  We should all know this,
> especially today.  Veterns Day.  The day we all should thank those who
> served this country.  And those who died for her.
>
>
>
>   Looks like Hanoi Jane may be honored as one of the "100 Women of the
> Century".  JANE FONDA remembered?  Unfortunately, many have forgotten and
> still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only
the
> idea of our "country" but the men who served and sacrificed during
Vietnam.
> There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Jane Fonda's
> participation in what I  believe to be blatant treason, is one of them.
> Part of my conviction comes from exposure to those who suffered her
> attentions.
>
>   The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.  The pilot's name is Jerry
> Driscoll, a River Rat.  In 1978, the Commandant of the USAF Survival
School
> was a former POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton."  Dragged from a
> stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was
> ordered to describe for a visiting American "peace activist" the "lenient
> and humane treatment" he'd received.  He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed,
and
> dragged away.  During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the
camp
> commandant's feet, accidentally pulling the man's shoe off - which sent
that
> officer berserk.  In 1978, the Air Force colonel still suffered from
double
> vision (which pemanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese
> colonel's frenzied application of a wooden baton.
>
>   From 1983-85, Col. Larry Carrigan was the 347FW/DO (F-4Es).  He spent 6
> years in the "Hilton" - the first three of which he was "missing in
action".
> His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.  His group, too, got the
> cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.
> They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that
> they still survived.  Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his
SSN
> on it, in the palm of his hand.  When paraded before Ms.
> Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and
> asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
> babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your
benevolent
> captors?"
> Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of
> paper. She took them all without missing a beat.  At the end of the line
and
> once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she
> turned to the officer in charge...and  handed him the little pile.  Three
> men died from the subsequent beatings.  Col. Carrigan was almost number
> four. For years after their release, a group of determined former POWs,
> including Col. Carrigan, tried to bring Ms. Fonda and others up on charges
> of treason.
>
>   I don't know that they used it, but the charge of "Negligent Homicide
due
> to Depraved Indifference" would also seem appropriate.  Her obvious
> "granting of aid and comfort to the enemy," alone, should have been
> sufficient for the treason count. However, to date, Jane Fonda has never
> been formally charged with anything and continues to enjoy the privileged
> life of the rich and famous.  I, personally, think that this is shame on
us,
> the American Citizenry. Part of our shortfall is ignorance: most don't
know
> such actions ever took place. Thought you might appreciate the knowledge.
> Most of you've probably already seen this by now...only addition I might
add
> to these sentiments is to remember the satisfaction of relieving myself
into
> the urinal at some airbase or another where "zaps" of Hanoi Jane's face
had
> been applied.
>
>   To whom it may concern:  I was a civilian economic development advisor
in
> Viet Nam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South
Viet
> Nam in 1968, and held for over 5 years.  I spent 27 months in solitary
> confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "blackbox"
in
> Hanoi.  My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a
> female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
Vietnam,
> whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.  At one time, I was
> weighing approximately 90 lbs.  (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)  We were
Jane
> Fonda's "war criminals."  When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the
> camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane
> Fonda.  I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment
we
> POWs were receiving, which was far different from the treatment purported
by
> the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient."
> Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with
> outstretched arms with a piece of steel placed on my hands, and beaten
with
> a bamboo cane every time my  arms dipped. I had the opportunity to meet
with
> Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released.  I asked her if she
> would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer me, her former
> husband, Tom Hayden, answered for her. She was mind controlled by her
> husband.  This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as "100
> Years of Great Women."  After I was released, I was asked what I thought
of
> Jane Fonda and the anti-war movement.  I said that I held Joan Baez's
> husband in very high regard, for he thought the war was wrong, burned his
> draft card and went to prison in protest.
>
>   If the other anti-war protesters took this same route, it would have
> brought our judicial system to a halt and ended the war much earlier, and
> there wouldn't be as many on that somber black granite wall  called the
> Vietnam Memorial. This is democracy. This is the American way. Jane Fonda,
> on the other hand, chose to be a traitor, and went to Hanoi, wore their
> uniform, propagandized for the communists, and urged American soldiers to
> desert.
>
>   As we were being tortured, and some of the POWs murdered, she called us
> liars. After her heroes-the North Vietnamese communists-took over South
> Vietnam, they systematically murdered 80,000 South vietnamese political
> prisoners. May their souls rest on her head forever. History is a heavy
> sword in the hands of those who refuse to forget it.
>   Think of this the next time you see Ms. Fonda-Turner at a Braves game.
>
>   Please take the time to read and forward to as many people as you
possibly
> can.  It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that
> "we will never forget".  Lest we forget..."100 years of great women" Jane
> Fonda should never be considered.  Please pass this along to everyone you
> know. Thanks.
>
>
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