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[Krzysztof Kopernik]

If you really look at the original message I find it hard to believe this
person is a newcomer.  The more I think about it the more I believe this
person is an experienced Ansteorran wanting to vent over the updated web
problem and trying to make the problem bigger than it is.  I do not feel
that newcomers use the Ansteorra list this way, nor do most newcomers
really understand the importance of such a list.  I really do not think we
would all be having this conversation if this newcomer was really a
newcomer.  Read the original message.  No signature.  A cryptic email
address.  I challenge this person to identify themselves.  
Krzysztof

>> I tend to disagree with Ld. Pieter.  This is a valid 
>> complaint and was not exaggerated...very straight forward 
>> and matter of fact that the site was out of date and needed 
>> help.  If people can't make a polite and legitimate complaint
>> about the SCA, then something is very, very wrong.
>
>unfortunately, typical scadian behaviour ... "rally around the flag
>and bash the neophyte".  any wonder why it's so hard to grow the
>organization and retain membership.  sure, *we* know from the inside
>that sca information is usually ou6t of date, incorrect, posted times
>mean nothing, etc (long standing matters that should be addressed),
>but a new person does not.  and the cop-out that they "should have
>called someone" dosn't hold water ... remember that the person stated
>they were new, and most new folks are hesitant to make such contacts
>... most need a few "observation" sessions before they'll approach
>people.
>
>lessons learned here ...
>
>1.  if you are supporting a online site that advertises critical
>group information (who, what, where), you have a *obligation* to
>either keep it current or take it down.  bad information is usually
>worse than no information.
>
>2. cut the neophytes some slack.  you killing your beloved
>organization a little bit more every time you stick your nose in the
>air and adopt the holier-than-thou, scadian-self-rightious attitudes
>that are all too common from people who have forgotten what it means
>to be a frustrated new-comer.
> 
>3. the sca is not the be-all / end-all of the universe, you co-exist
>in other spheres you have no control over and are dependent upon
>them.  in this case, the web is *the* primary information source for
>the next generations that the organization needs to stay healthy.
>better to learn to use it, on it's terms and don't try to impose
>old-sca standards upon them (ie: the aceptance of out of date
>information) of make the idiotic statement that it dosn't matter (in
>any other corporate structure in the real world, write off the web as
>a irrelevent information source and where would you be?) ... as a
>corollary, don't rail at people for being frustrated when they run
>into the infamous "wall of lud" that this organization tries to erect
>around itself.
>
>the real loser in all the the organization as a whole, since it seems
>that several of the  self-rightous flag wavers who chose to chastise
>instead of listen and try to correct a standing problem have
>alienated and driven away yet another person interested enough to try
>to get involved and bring some new blood and energy into a slowly
>dieing organization.
>
>'wolf
>
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