[Ansteorra] Persona/new people
Tump Laird
tlaird at satx.rr.com
Sat Apr 13 17:54:22 PDT 2002
Just got back from viking, and I sure do love my new sword. Thanks for the
story Mari. When one gets involved in holding office, event planning/prep,
and all the other stressful things the SCA can bring, the simple pleasures
can be forgotten.
For the new people, persona playing is just that simple. If you have been
to an event, you have probably done it already, and just don't know it. My
second event I went to Yule. I planned a day trip just to get my new helm
looked at by the Earl Marshal. Since for me at that time it was all about
the fighting, and this was not a fighting event, I had no interest in
staying. Then all the Knights that were there sat in a circle, and one by
one told what they thought was the most important quality of a Knight. I
was impressed by this and decided to stay for feast. I had on my peasant
outfit (torn up sweatshirt and dirty pants) and a cloak that I swear was
made as a Halloween Count Dracula costume. I was sitting there when a lord
I had not meet came up to me and said "I really like your helm, and don't
take this wrong, but what you really need is a tunic." He then handed me a
fine red tunic with gold Celtic trim. I could barely say thank you. Then
one of the old crusty Vikings (can't remember which one) said you know what
you have to do now don't you? Even though you just a stupid Dane, ( sound's
like Ivar, now that think about it) in the true Norse tradition, you have to
gift him back. Not now, next week, but sometime. This lord was not from my
barony. I did not want him to get away, so I gave him the only thing I had
brought with me, a chain mail coif that I had made. The rings did not cost
me that much, and I had made it just for practice. He freaked out, started
going all over the hall, showing everybody from the Crown on down. I
thought the gift of the tunic to me was more special. He did not know me,
and I really did need a tunic. After a while my Barron came over to me and
said that as he had said in the circle, generosity was the most important
quality to him, as since I had show that, he took a ring off his finger and
put it on mine. Now I am the one that is freaked out. I said to the people
at the table I was at that had nothing else to give, when a lady I still do
not know said, "You have already given him something." I looked at her like
a chicken would watch a card trick. "You have given him the opportunity to
play out his persona. That is what is special to us." Three other people
gifted me that night. (I still owe two of them) I have been playing for
about a 18 months and can just barely find Demark on a map. most of my
limited knowledge comes from the History/Discovery channels. I still don't
have boots yet, but I want to get them in Sweden. It is difficult to stay
or play in persona all day, but it is those little things, like gifting
someone, or not knowing what chocolate is, that make this game special for
me. So find a mentor. Trade skills and things you have for things you
don't. If you fight heavy, try light. Go to a stained glass class. Hang out
with someone you don't know. Go camp crawling. Learn or make up a filk
song. Stand up at the fire, and then forget the words. Experience the true
joy of having a Bard-fart. Remember, it's just a game. And if somebody
gives you a hard time, stare at them like you do not speak their language.
NEVER do anything you don't want to do. And most important...
HONOR ABOVE ALL, ABOVE ALL, HONOR
Botolf
P.S. On the gate/troll question, The lovely ladies in my barony that time
after time volunteer for the job I hate most prefer not to be called trolls.
I respect that.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Re: walking authentically (Michael Tucker)
2. re: walking authentically (Marc Carlson)
3. Feast Guardian of the Tor (Lady Simone ui' Dunlaingh)
4. Den of Wolves? (Colete d'Evreux)
5. Pennsic XXXI important information (Potterkd2 at cs.com)
6. Looking for... (cehuse)
7. Fw: Scholarships to Sword Symposium June 7-9 (STEVE K ROURKE)
8. Re: Looking for... (Darius and Monica)
9. Re: Steppes Warlord Merchant coordinator (Medicfem at aol.com)
10. Re: Persona stuff (willow taylor)
11. Re: SCA slang (willow taylor)
12. Re: Maven (willow taylor)
13. Re: Steppes Warlord Merchant coordinator (Ldyinnes at aol.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:24:46 -0500
From: Michael Tucker <michaelt at neosoft.com>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Re: walking authentically
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > > That's the nice part about Italian Ren gowns... they fall
> > so simply you can
> > > walk like yourself and you *still* look like you're gliding!
> > >
> > > Elysia
> > > (who likes the *idea* of hoopskirts... but is just too
> > graceless to pull it off)
> >
> > My lady, that's what ladies-in-waiting (or courters) are for.
>
> Interesting typo there. Or are courtiers and courters synonymous?
> Although I think the prizes are not necessarily the same...
>
> Stefan li Rous
Good Stefan, who said it was a typo?
And I'm not so sure about a difference in prizes. Are they not both seeking
to
improve their position among the nobility?
*slow, wicked grin*
Michael Silverhands
for honor and valor, but always in service *g*
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Message: 2
From: "Marc Carlson" <marccarlson20 at hotmail.com>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:02:49 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re: walking authentically
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Personally, I find that walking 'authentically' means adjusting myself to
the footwear. The complaints I've heard about "period shoes" tend to be
based on the fact that the wearer won't or can't adjust to the demands of
the footwear, and so they wind up fighting their shoes and their feet hurt.
Plain medieval shoes are much like walking barefoot. Most modern people ar=
e
used to not only having a slightly raised heel (which messes with the
internal muscles of the shoe, causing some to develop that wouldn't, and
others to atrophy), but also having padding and protection. If you will
watch people walking, A lot of them tend to slam their heels into the
ground. They also don't watch where they are walking. Someone walking
barefoot is more likely to -place- their heel on the ground, and step aroun=
d
things like sharp glass and rocks.
Walking in long toed shoes adds a certain twist to it since you have to ste=
p
up high enough to clear the toe. Or else you waddle like a penguin.
Using pattens and additional outer soles help emulate the more modern
thoughlessness about how we walk, but are not always the perfect answer
either (actually a lot of people shuffle in pattens, rather than -walking-
-- personally I don't wear them, they drive me nuts).
Marc/Diarmaid
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Message: 3
From: "Lady Simone ui' Dunlaingh" <simone at elfsea.net>
To: <elfsea at ansteorra.org>, <dragonsfire-tor at ansteorra.org>,
<cadetscorner at yahoogroups.com>, <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>,
<announcements at sca.org>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:00:16 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Feast Guardian of the Tor
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Feast for Guardian of the Tor is a catered dinner provided by the Broken O
Ranch. The Broken O Ranch has a long history of serving quality meals to
the community. It is with great joy that we have them catering our feast.
Because the feast will be caters by the Ranch we are asking that all feast
reservations be pre-paid by June 15th so that the Ranch may best be able to
meet our culinary needs.
Feast will be an all you can eat meal that includes the following:
Bread and cheese, Smoked Brisket, Ranch Style potatoes, Ranch Style beans,
rolls, bread pudding, tea, lemonade, coffee, and water.
The ranch asks that anyone with food allergies please inform the Reservation
Steward so that the allergy may be planed for.
Feast fee
Adult $10.00
Child 6-12 $5.00
Child 5 and under Free
Reservation Steward
Feast Reservations must be
pre paid by June 15th
Janie of Dragonsfire Tor
dftfeast at hotmail.com
please e-maul Janie directly or visit the feast page for Guardian of the Tor
at:
http://dragonsfire-tor.ansteorra.org/guardian/feast.html
Thank You
Lady Simone Maurian ui' Dunlaingh
simone at elfsea.net
Autocrat Guardian of the Tor
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Colete d'Evreux" <medievalbelle at yahoo.com>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Den of Wolves?
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Greetings,
Please pardon the bandwidth, but I'm trying to locate a
certain gentleman on this list. We spoke at a party during Gulf
Wars (Thursday night) and he mentioned that there will be a
picture of me in armour, toting my spear, on his webpage. I was
one of the 4 "Trimarian party-crashing redheads"... wore a black
cotehartie with red decorative undersleeves. If this rings a
bell, please contact me privately.
Merci,
Lady Colete
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Message: 5
From: Potterkd2 at cs.com
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:07:42 EDT
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org, Civic_Guard at egroups.com, regionals at egroups.com,
elfsea at ansteorra.org, ansteorra-rapier at ansteorra.org,
steppes at ansteorra.org,
ansteorra-dons at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic XXXI important information
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Greetings unto Ansteorra!
Here again with a reminder that pre-registration for Pennsic must be in by
June 1st. Without your pre-registeration Ansteorra gets less land and you
get less space for your camps.
OTHER IMPORTANT INFO: Please contact Sir Wilhelm at stasya at msn.com regarding
your registration and which group you will be camping with in Ansteorra.
As mentioned before this years registration is just a click of the mouse.
Go
to <A HREF="http://www.pennsicwar.org/penn31/">Click here: PENNSIC WAR 31
INFORMATION PAGE</A>. Under Pennsic Departments Announcements click on
"pre-registration" and then "pre-registration on line." If you are camping
with Ansteorra then under "Group Camping with" you must type in "Kingdom of
Ansteorra" to be registered for Ansteorra.
For those of you who do not have the ability to pre-register on line -- I
will once again be carrying pre-registration forms to Spring Fair,
Bordermarch Baronial, and Steppes Warlord. If you are mailing this form on
your own -- please remember to write in "Kingdom of Ansteorra" for your
group.
Furthermore, I am still looking for someone to do land grab this year since
I
am unable to perform this duty. Please contact me if you are able to arrive
at Pennsic by August 2nd. Additionally if you have any questions please
feel
free to contact me.
Learning to serve the dream,
Countess KayLeigh, WSA
*You supply the checks - I'll supply the stamps*
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Message: 6
From: "cehuse" <cehuse at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Ansteorra" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:03:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for...
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Hola!
I'm looking for Mistress Clarise's (of House Wolf Star) e-mail address.
Gracias!
Lady Maria
*** St. Theresa's Prayer ****
May today there be peace within
May you trust your highest power that you are exactly where you are meant to
be....
May you not forget the infinite possibilities that are born of faith
May you use those gifts that you have received, and pass on the love that
has
been given to you....
May you be content knowing you are a child of God....
Let this presence settle into our bones, and allow your soul the freedom to
sing, and dance,
It is there for each and every one of you....
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Message: 7
From: "STEVE K ROURKE" <SROURKE at prodigy.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:10:18 -0500
Organization: STEVE K ROURKE
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: Scholarships to Sword Symposium June 7-9
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Chivalry Sports Renaissance Catalog (http://www.renstore.com) in
> conjunction with the Schola of St. George is offering two scholarships to
> the 2nd Annual Medieval Swordsmanship Symposium and Pas d' Armes to be
held
> June
> 7th-9th, 2002 in Livermore, California. In addition to the admission ($150
> value), each scholarship winner will receive a check for $200 dollars to
> help
> defray travel and lodging costs.
>
> The three-day conference will bring in teachers from as far
> way as Leeds, England and Australia to teach historical sword fighting
> techniques from newly translated manuscripts of Medieval Europe's greatest
> sword masters.
> Many of the teachers are the author's of authoritative books on armor and
> swordsmanship currently available through Chivalry Sports.
>
> For more information about the speakers, classes and other activities as
> well as the application go to
> http://www.chivalrysports.com/epages/symposium.html
>
> I attended last year and learned a tremendous amount about the history and
> science of sword-fighting. Even though I am a Knight I had never studied
the
> works of the Medieval masters. This symposium gave me the opportunity to
> learn from modern masters who have made it their life's work to translate
> the ancient texts and interpret the diagrams so that they can recover
these
> lost arts of defense. Some classes were lecture but most were hands on
> training like in any martial arts clinic. I was so jazzed that I have put
up
> the money for this scholarship myself so that other historical reenactors
> like myself can attend.
>
> Please pass this information on to others in your kingdom. I am using this
> method to get the word out quickly because the deadline is only about a
> month away. That is to give the winners time to make travel arrangements.
>
> Thank you,
> Sir Jakob von Groningen
> Barony of Tir Ysgithr, Atenveldt
> Jake Stirler, VP of Chivalry Sports
>
>
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Message: 8
From: "Darius and Monica" <dmriney at earthlink.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Looking for...
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:32:19 -0500
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
answered privately
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From: "cehuse" <cehuse at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Ansteorra" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:03 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for...
> Hola!
>
> I'm looking for Mistress Clarise's (of House Wolf Star) e-mail address.
>
> Gracias!
> Lady Maria
>
> *** St. Theresa's Prayer ****
> May today there be peace within
> May you trust your highest power that you are exactly where you are meant
to
> be....
> May you not forget the infinite possibilities that are born of faith
> May you use those gifts that you have received, and pass on the love that
has
> been given to you....
> May you be content knowing you are a child of God....
> Let this presence settle into our bones, and allow your soul the freedom
to
> sing, and dance,
> It is there for each and every one of you....
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
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Message: 9
From: Medicfem at aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:58:11 EDT
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Steppes Warlord Merchant coordinator
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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Sent one.... no reply.
Lady Caley
Blackwolf Designs
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Message: 10
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:08:44 -0500
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Persona stuff
From: willow taylor <jonwillowpel at juno.com>
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Thank you very much for this missive. I am tired of being told I am a old
fashion relic who should go home and stop bothering people with my
persona.
willow de wisp Lion of Ansteorra.
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:34:21 -0500 "Theron Bretz"
<tbretz at montroseclinic.org> writes:
> > Speaking as a "Lion" of Ansteorra that playing persona is not
> difficult. I
> > invite anyone who doesn't believe me to take my persona class some
> time.
> > I've also occasionally heard that those who play persona are
> stuffy and
> > boring. To that assertion, I need only point to Sir Keif, Mistress
> Mari
> and
> > a few other adept persona players and defy anyone to honestly call
> them
> > stuff and boring!
>
> [Unlurking for a topic near and dear to my heart]
>
> As a lover of persona-stuff, I'd like to chime in as well. Doing
> persona
> play right does require a modicum of research. But at its most
> basic level,
> it's simply thinking before you speak about whether or not a
> medieval or
> renaissance person would likely say things that way. Edit out the
> cutesy-poo-neo-fantasy vocabulary and you're 9/10s of the way there.
>
> Now, here's the secret of doing persona play right. First off, it's
> not
> something the Lions have a monopoly on.
>
> Secondly, it isn't memorizing a laundry list of dates, places, and
> people.
> It's a lens through which you examine your chosen place and period.
> When I
> read a book on the history of Venice, I look at it in terms of how I
> would
> have felt about the particular events. Would I have cared what's
> going on
> back home now that I'm in Ansteorra?
>
> The third thing to know is that persona play is 99% trivia. Knowing
> the
> exact disposition of the troops at the battle of Bouvines is a good
> deal
> less necessary than knowing what you had for breakfast, what's in
> your
> pocket, the difference between a ducat and a florin*, or who's the
> Pope.
>
> Fourth, there's presentation. What's the point of all your research
> if you
> don't share it with the rest of the populace? Recruit some friends
> and get
> out there and do it. I cannot stress this enough. If you don't
> have people
> to play persona with, you're a solo performance artist. Friends
> make your
> job easier because you can play off each other and build stories and
> experiences together. Occasionally a running gag can also be quite
> useful.
> Be prepared to surprise yourself once you get going.
>
> Be prepared to revise. As you get into your research, you'll
> inevitably find
> information that contradicts something you thought you knew. Adapt
> and roll
> with it. This isn't a test, it's a hobby.
>
> Most of all have fun. There's often-times in our Society a rather
> ridiculous notion that medieval people had no fun. Nothing could be
> further
> from the truth. For much of the monied classes, war and the pursuit
> of
> pleasure were their only occupations. Games, tournaments, hunts,
> dancing,
> telling stories, all of those things that the framework of the
> Society
> already has, are aspects of medieval and renaissance recreation.
>
> Luciano Malatesta
> The Don Formerly Known as Etienne
>
> *The Ducat is the chief coin of Venice. The Florin is the chief
> coin of
> Florence. Florins are cut with base metal which can alchemically
> cause your
> other quality money, such as ducats, to rot into dust. The previous
> statement has been brought to you by the Venetian Ministry of
> Coinage.
>
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Message: 11
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:12:52 -0500
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] SCA slang
From: willow taylor <jonwillowpel at juno.com>
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
,
Greetings to one and all and especially Marion du Massue,
House of Brick.
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