[Ansteorra] Stolen (Borrowed?) Items

[Rob rose]

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Whether the price was negligible or not, it was theft and it was wrong.  So on
a different note, how do we combat the theft?  How do we make it harder to
steal from our brothers and sisters in the dream?  At the same time we have to
keep in mind that we are playing in the SCA, representing a simpler (?) time.
It kind of reminds me of my childhood, when we didn't have to lock our doors.
And before anyone goes off on that tangent, I grew up in Cleveland.  And even
in Cleveland OH, we didn't have to lock em.  So how do we get there from here?
Make it hard for the theives, yet don't allow a detraction from the dream?

Ian
>From: "Olivia G. Rodrigues"
>Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Stolen (Borrowed?) Items
>Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:53:41 -0500
>
>M'lord,
>
>I did not take HE Pendaran's remarks as any insult except for the (what
seemed to be) belittling of the theft. I wasn't being petty (I sincerely
detest pettiness and besides, at Mexico prices, the value was negligible!) I
was only reporting that there was an incident to, shall we say, CMOAWA (if you
don't know, ask me privately). I didn't want to be held liable should any
incident or injury have occured with anyone'drunk' on ill gotten gains that
came from my camp.
>
>
>Olivia
>
>
>
>---
>Carpe Diem Ex Illo Vitae Opprime!
>
>
>On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:29:12
> Rob rose wrote:
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> >
> >Don't we think we are all being a bit touchy? We all know that Pendaran
> >wasn't saying that stealing is ok. Even if it was only beer. I'm not saying
> >it's ok either. So why don't we all sit back and calm down a second.
> >Stealing is a serious offense, one that i'm sure none of us would tolerate
if
> >we saw it happening. On a religious note, the SCA embraces all forms of
> >religeon. This does not mean that you can perform any rite that would cause
a
> >member of the SCA to participate in simply by observing. It has no bearing
on
> >this, but i just thought i'd throw that in just for the sake of arguement.
> >Let's not turn beer stealing into a religeous crusade. Someone stole some
> >beer from the lady, for that i have to say i am sorry for your misfortune.
> >Coming out here and announcing that you are a practicioner of the craft,
> >Wicca, buddhism, or a satanist has no bearing. I thought the camel thing to
> >be highly out of place, so i made a joke out of it. But let's be serious a
> >moment. We all know that Pendaran would not advocate the stealing of
another
> >person's propety. Be it a Crown, or a beer. So with that in mind, while his
> >reply may have been lacking in tact, so was mine, and so far so has
everything
> >i have seen since, at least on this thread. including my own statements.
Let
> >me put it plainly. We don't advocate stealing. We have no right to say
> >anything about a person's religeon whether we agree or disagree. But let's
> >have a modicum of respect for those who do disagree. And let's try to use a
> >little more tact.
> >
> >At this time i don't think i would reccomend that any new person get on
this
> >list. Not with all of the bickering that goes on.
> >
> >Ian Macleod
> >>From: "Harris Mark.S-rsve60"
> >>Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >>To: "'ansteorra at ansteorra.org'"
> >>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Stolen (Borrowed?) Items
> >>Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:49:11 -0700
> >>
> >>Pendaran declared:
> >> > Umm was this really necessary? For crying out loud, somebody
> >> > swiped some
> >> > beer - does that really necessitate your making a ridiculous
> >> > threat and
> >> > talking about a camel's reproductive organs on a public
> >> > board? Grow up.
> >> >
> >> > And yes this was meant to be sent publicly,
> >> > Pendaran
> >>
> >>Are you saying then that you condone this stealing? And that
> >>she should just keep quiet about it?
> >>
> >>Are you saying that you would not be upset if someone went
> >>into your closed tent and took something that interested them?
> >>Or since this is "only" beer, then stealing this is okay?
> >>
> >>As for the camels bit, it may or may not have been excessive
> >>language, but I suspect that it is at least a period oath
> >>or close to it.
> >>
> >>Stefan li Rous
> >>
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