[Ansteorra] History/Enculturation/Cliquishness....

Wed Apr 24 10:00:48 PDT 2002

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Unto all gentle readers,

Recently some friends and I were talking of how things have changed over these
years.  Events seem to not be as exciting and rewarding as they once were. We
lamented that in many ways, excepting the clothing, our camping events wern't
much different than any mundane group's gathering.

This stream of posts reminds me that in many ways our Knowne World has been
diluted by our everyday world.  Confusion such as that noted by Peandaran is
felt by many men when faced with the bleed over of the mundane feminism that
is so admired and supported by many of our gentleman in the 'real world'.

I have met not a few ladies who have responded to offers of assistance with a
refusal.  It has been humbling on two fronts.  The Code requires of me to
offer assistance and my spiritual self demands it of me.  I would gently
suggest that this Game of ours outlines that our Ladies Faire are to be
exalted and honored; made to feel special.

However, to hear that anyone does not at least offer to help anyone, male or
female, in apparent need, only illustrates further that somehow we are
forgetting that chivalry and honor are at the very foundation of our Dream.
Likewise, we all might allow others to have that moment of joy that comes from
giving or oneself.

>From: Brian Martin
>Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>To: "'ansteorra at ansteorra.org'"
>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] History/Enculturation/Cliquishness....
>Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:54:34 -0500
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>Good ladies and all who read this,
>
>Sorry, but I've got to step in here. I don't know how many times I've
>offered to help a lady carry something only to be rebuffed. I've had
>actually had women get offended that I offered to help, telling me that they
>were *quite* capable of carrying something without a man's assistance. Which
>is it? Should we offer or not? How can we tell that you want help or don't?
>Body language doesn't do it, by the way - men, in general, aren't good at
>interpreting it.
>
>There have also been several occasions where I've helped various women carry
>various things throughout the day, only to be called down and criticized on
>the one time that I didn't see a lady with a burden or was unable to help.
>It seems to me that I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't and will be
>criticized either way.
>
>Awaiting the fire,
>Pendaran
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michele Hoermann [mailto:ladyjutta at earthlink.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:04 AM
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] History/Enculturation/Cliquishness....
>
>
>And may I add in this bit a few ladies and I have noticed....
>What ever happened to the time when a lady could not walk 3 feet carrying
>something heavy or bulky (or anything for that matter) without a lord coming
>out of nowhere to pluck these things from your arms and assist you to your
>destination. Be it just 2 more feet away or clear across the site. I know
>this time was not THAT long ago. Yet, I have had many men, including Knights
>and Dons, walk right by a lady with her arms full and not even take notice.
>Please tell me that chivalry is not dead in the SCA!!
>Lady Jutta
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pam Kendrick"
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:11 PM
>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] History/Enculturation/Cliquishness....
>
>
> > I hate to say this, but here goes.......................
> >
> > Last year at Star Gate's Baronial I could not even get one of four knights
> > to help me lift a heavy cooler off a table and onto the floor, though I
> > asked several times for assistance.
> >
> > They were MUCH too busy talking about how to properly hit an opponent. I
> > have since stopped asking.
> >
> > Setting up camp alone, with or without children, has become the norm
>rather
> > than the exception.
> >
> > Damask
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ansteorra-admin at ansteorra.org
> > [mailto:ansteorra-admin at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of DonnelShaw at aol.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 7:40 PM
> > To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] History/Enculturation/Clickishness....
> >
> >
> > I know personally I can no longer set up a camp by myself. I don't have
>the
> > strength. But I don't seem to get the help I use to get. Since I have
> > children with me I tend to be stuck looking for someone and apologizing
>to
> > them. My solution has been an RV. But that does not cover it at a lot of
> > events. Thus I tend to day trip a lot of times. I use to brag that I could
> > always find help to set up my tent. Now that is not the case. I know there
> > are other women who travel by them selves with children that have voiced
> > similar. Can I see any up lifted hands willing to help when needed women
> > with
> > children?
> > Ly Maili Donnel MacGregor
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