[Ansteorra] Spontaneous combustion at Savernake
karen moon
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Thu Feb 14 18:34:11 PST 2002
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No spontaneous combustion?
Uhhhhmmmm, New Year's Eve 2000? Thordis & Seraphina losing 6 inches of hair apiece? Damaris dumping an entire Roman Candle on her head? People running around with their thumbs on fire? Choruses of "A Real Hero would outrun the flames?"
Heck, the straw bale constructions are the *least* combustible things out there at Savernake....
Mari
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From: Tump Laird
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 3:24 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gulf war idea-straw bales
The straw bale structures at Bjornsborg are covered with wire mesh and
stucco. The walls, once constructed can be weight bearing for roofs, and
are more resistant to fire than a standard wood frame house. There has been
no spontaneous or other combustion (at least the straw bales)ever.
Botolf
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1. Thank you for making Blat a success! (DAFPIG at aol.com)
2. Re: gulf wars idea (David Hughes)
3. Re: gulf wars idea (Richard Flickinger)
4. Re: gulf wars idea (Sluggy)
5. Re: gulf wars idea (Keyna)
6. Re: gulf wars idea (J.G. Bretz (Beatrice di Palermo))
7. Re: gulf wars idea (Aurore Gaudin)
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Message: 1
From: DAFPIG at aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:41:20 EST
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Thank you for making Blat a success!
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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WOW!!!
That word about sums up Brad Leah's Ansteorran Tribute, this past weekend.
Our shire would like to thank everyone who worked, donated and participated
in Blat!! It was an overwhelming success!! Never did we dream that so many
gentles would be so generous and giving with only 4 weeks notice. The
silent
auction alone took 4 tables because of the vast selection of items!
Thank you for your generosity to this kingdom!! We had gentles from all
over the kingdom attend making this truely an Ansteorran Tribute.
Special Thanks to:
His Majesty for attending a small, non-kingdom calendar event in a far away
shire :)
Duke Kien for running our heavy fighting
Lady Theresa for over seeing our Light fighting
Master Artorious and HE Adria, along with the entire Barony of Eldern Hills
for a simply fantastic, HOT feast.
Baroness Michelle for hosting the Silent Auciton
Mistress Stacia and Master Tarl for putting together and running a very
profitable raffle.
hopefully we haven't left anyone out.
The amount collect.. not just the profits,,,will go to Kingdom use. We are
VERY proud to announce that our little "thrown together at the last minute"
FREE event has made OVER $2,500.oo !!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks to all our dedicated members of the Shire of Brad Leah for wanting to
give something back to the Kingdom and populace. It takes a lot of gusto to
host a free event with little lead in time or advertising! Vivat!!
In service to the Kingdom and her populace,
Your proud stewarts of BLAT
Earl Daffydd Whittaker
Lady Monica de la Cueva
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:53:28 -0600
From: David Hughes <davidjhughes.tx at netzero.net>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gulf wars idea
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Aurore Gaudin wrote:
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> I don't mean to rain on the parade for this idea, but another thought is =
wet hay can go up in smoke just as well as dry hay. Spontanous combunstion=
has been known to start in wet hay. I've seen it happen. Lampasas River =
flooded and the barn and winter hay was close enough to go underwater. Wat=
er went down and 3 days later, its on fire. I won't believe wet hay catchi=
ng fire if I hadn't seen it for myself. From my understanding, the wall wi=
ll only be one bale thick, that alone shouldn't be enough to worry about, b=
ut this maybe something to watch out for just in case. Just two cents wort=
h of thought. Aurore
The joys of composting <G>
Anaerobic bacteria start working, producing heat, enough to dry the
center of the bales.
Insulation factor of the hay is high enough to contain the heat, as
the anaerobic decomposition continues at the outer edge of the growing
sphere of dry, powdered hay and accelerates due to the elevated
temperature. Process also produced methane. After awhile, the center
of the sphere reaches the auto ignition point (possibly as low as 200
F, depending on fuel/air mixture, and starts to smolder, producing
charcoal powder. Flame front finally reaches open air, and you have
flaming "wet" hay.
David Gallowglass
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Message: 3
From: "Richard Flickinger" <brotherkris at hotmail.com>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gulf wars idea
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:39:04 -0600
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>From: David Hughes
>Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gulf wars idea
>Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:53:28 -0600
>
>
>
>Aurore Gaudin wrote:
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> > I don't mean to rain on the parade for this idea, but another thought is
wet hay can go up in smoke just as well as dry hay. Spontanous combunstion
has
been known to start in wet hay. I've seen it happen. Lampasas River flooded
and the barn and winter hay was close enough to go underwater. Water went
down
and 3 days later, its on fire. I won't believe wet hay catching fire if I
hadn't seen it for myself. From my understanding, the wall will only be one
bale thick, that alone shouldn't be enough to worry about, but this maybe
something to watch out for just in case. Just two cents worth of thought.
Aurore
>
>The joys of composting
David, my Plant Science and Horticultural Thereapy professors, as well as my
Master
Gardener mentor, could not have explained the compost process and potential
spontaneous combustion better! When the silo blew it looked like napalm in
the morning.
Brother Kris
>Anaerobic bacteria start working, producing heat, enough to dry the
>center of the bales.
>
>Insulation factor of the hay is high enough to contain the heat, as
>the anaerobic decomposition continues at the outer edge of the growing
>sphere of dry, powdered hay and accelerates due to the elevated
>temperature. Process also produced methane. After awhile, the center
>of the sphere reaches the auto ignition point (possibly as low as 200
>F, depending on fuel/air mixture, and starts to smolder, producing
>charcoal powder. Flame front finally reaches open air, and you have
>flaming "wet" hay.
>
>David Gallowglass
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:14:57 -0600
From: Sluggy <slugmusk at linuxlegend.com>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gulf wars idea
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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> >Anaerobic bacteria start working, producing heat, enough to dry the
> >center of the bales.
> >
> >Insulation factor of the hay is high enough to contain the heat, as
> >the anaerobic decomposition continues at the outer edge of the growing
> >sphere of dry, powdered hay and accelerates due to the elevated
> >temperature. Process also produced methane. After awhile, the center
> >of the sphere reaches the auto ignition point (possibly as low as 200
> >F, depending on fuel/air mixture, and starts to smolder, producing
> >charcoal powder. Flame front finally reaches open air, and you have
> >flaming "wet" hay.
I think the same basic process is at work after I have too many
jalapenos on my cheeseburger.
Sluggy!
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Message: 5
From: "Keyna" <keyna at hot.rr.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gulf wars idea
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:43:12 -0600
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
I agree with Aurora I have also seen hay go up like a bomb and it was
raining.
Keyna
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From: "Richard Flickinger" <brotherkris at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gulf wars idea
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> >From: David Hughes
> >Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gulf wars idea
> >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:53:28 -0600
> >
> >
> >
> >Aurore Gaudin wrote:
> > >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > > --
> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > I don't mean to rain on the parade for this idea, but another thought
is
> wet hay can go up in smoke just as well as dry hay. Spontanous combunstion
has
> been known to start in wet hay. I've seen it happen. Lampasas River
flooded
> and the barn and winter hay was close enough to go underwater. Water went
down
> and 3 days later, its on fire. I won't believe wet hay catching fire if I
> hadn't seen it for myself. From my understanding, the wall will only be
one
> bale thick, that alone shouldn't be enough to worry about, but this maybe
> something to watch out for just in case. Just two cents worth of thought.
> Aurore
> >
>
> >The joys of composting
>
>
>
> David, my Plant Science and Horticultural Thereapy professors, as well as
my Master
> Gardener mentor, could not have explained the compost process and
potential
> spontaneous combustion better! When the silo blew it looked like napalm
in
> the morning.
>
> Brother Kris
> >Anaerobic bacteria start working, producing heat, enough to dry the
> >center of the bales.
> >
> >Insulation factor of the hay is high enough to contain the heat, as
> >the anaerobic decomposition continues at the outer edge of the growing
> >sphere of dry, powdered hay and accelerates due to the elevated
> >temperature. Process also produced methane. After awhile, the center
> >of the sphere reaches the auto ignition point (possibly as low as 200
> >F, depending on fuel/air mixture, and starts to smolder, producing
> >charcoal powder. Flame front finally reaches open air, and you have
> >flaming "wet" hay.
> >
> >David Gallowglass
> >
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From: "J.G. Bretz \(Beatrice di Palermo\)" <b3zsgirl at yahoo.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gulf wars idea
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:12:07 -0600
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> I agree with Aurora I have also seen hay go up like a bomb and it was
> raining.
> Keyna
However....it would be difficult for it to do this if it was encased all the
way around in concrete. Also, it is an accepted building method that has
been used in the Southwest with good luck. Check back a few posts to the
links Baroness Saraphina sent.
Bea
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Message: 7
From: "Aurore Gaudin" <Aurore at hot.rr.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gulf wars idea
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:44:38 -0600
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I have gone to the websites about straw homes. It was very impressive. It=
does give me something else to build my home when I finally can afford to.=
But as they put it, it has to be dry and tightly packed. Guess the Big,B=
ad Wolf is out of a job. Aurore
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From: J.G. Bretz (Beatrice di Palermo)
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gulf wars idea
> I agree with Aurora I have also seen hay go up like a bomb and it was
> raining.
> Keyna
However....it would be difficult for it to do this if it was encased all =
the
way around in concrete. Also, it is an accepted building method that has
been used in the Southwest with good luck. Check back a few posts to the
links Baroness Saraphina sent.
Bea
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