[Ansteorra] dehydration-Gatorade-water
Tump Laird
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Wed Jul 17 15:08:06 PDT 2002
It is difficult to get allot of fighters to do this, but hydration BEFORE
the fighting starts is most important. I start about 2 hours before the
first battle and slowly drink 2-3 quarts, half Gatorade and half water, and
drink every time the water bearers come on the field. (I am usually
dehydrated from the previous nights revel, as well as not being in the best
physical condition-read fat and 42) If I maintain this ritual, I can fight
in all the battles, all day long. If I don't, I fall out of the first, and
will be combat ineffective for the rest. Push the liquids on the fighters
early. At Gulf War I got reminded, even ordered by one unit commander to
drink plenty before the battles, especially the resurrection ones. If you
feel a little bloated, and need to privy at least once every hour, then you
might just have enough. I have learned that lesson the hard way more than
once when I was in the infantry.
Honestas Supra Omnes
(Honor Above All)
Botolf the Dane
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Today's Topics:
1. Looking for Eleanor Fairchild (HL Fridhur Haralds)
2. RE: Gulf War Gate Fund Raiser at Coronation (dgutridge at charter.net)
3. Contact for Coronation Lost and Found? (Michael Tucker)
4. Re: WATER & GATORADE (Samuel jernigen)
5. Re: Looking for Eleanor Fairchild (Fitzmorgan at aol.com)
6. RE: WATER & GATORADE (Harry Bilings)
7. Re: WATER & GATORADE (Jayme Michaels)
8. Florence's florins and Rome's ducats (Mark S. Harris)
9. RE: Coronation Awards (Connie Marie Carroll)
10. Re: WATER & GATORADE (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
11. Re: WATER & GATORADE (Maleah)
12. Coronation (Maleah)
13. Re: WATER & GATORADE (Pem1968 at aol.com)
14. Looking for Mistress Gunnora (Aurore)
15. Re: Looking for Mistress Gunnora (Christie Ward)
16. Re: WATER & GATORADE (Jane Sitton)
17. Dehydration (L T)
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Message: 1
From: "HL Fridhur Haralds" <ladyfridr at yahoo.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:31:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for Eleanor Fairchild
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Could Eleanor Fairchild please contact me off-list regarding her lovely
music at Coronation? Thank you!
Fridhur Haralds - Rosenfeld
ladyfridr at prodigy.net
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From: <dgutridge at charter.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Gulf War Gate Fund Raiser at Coronation
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:36:13 -0500
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
I will get the site updated today. I will contact kingdom and see what
is in that fun also. FYI there is about $1000 in the private fund and I
think the same in the SCA fund. This is a good start. Look forward to
seeing an activity at elfsea defender - not sure what yet. The auction
did raise a lot though!
Daniel
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Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Gulf War Gate Fund Raiser at Coronation
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Sir Burke asked:
Vivat!!
Your Excellency, if I may ask how much has been raised in total
on the
project so far? And how much will be needed to complete the
project?
Pendaran's response:
I'd love to answer that question, but I don't have an accurate
number. H.E. Daniel, Baron of Elfsea, is in charge of fund raising
for the gate and can answer all of the money questions. (I'm just the
guy
who recruits smart, talented people like Fritz and Daniel to do
all
of the real work. :-)
Pendaran
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:29:44 -0500
From: Michael Tucker <michaelt at neosoft.com>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Contact for Coronation Lost and Found?
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Greetings:
Would the person coordinating the lost and found items from Coronation
please contact me off list?
Thanks,
Michael Silverhands
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:47:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Samuel jernigen <sirsdg at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] WATER & GATORADE
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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--- Alice Harris <lg_photo at texas.net> wrote:
> Greeting From Alina:
>
> Stupid question but I'll ask anyway.
>
> Why gatorade?
well beer tends to anger the Marshals.. and they never
buy the " I got a hangover and more booze helps"
Sodas have too much carbonation in them. ( loud burps
distract one from blocking, throwing shots, and that
"ugh Im feeling bloated" feeling more often than not,
proceeds the vomit. plus NO one wants to hear big
burly fighter talking about being bloated..... )
and last but not least....
ever seen an aligator? wouldnt you want that kind of
aid on the field?
( humor value only, here is salt take with one grain)
Samuel
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Message: 5
From: Fitzmorgan at aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:20:43 EDT
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Looking for Eleanor Fairchild
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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In a message dated 7/16/02 4:40:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Could Eleanor Fairchild please contact me off-list regarding her lovely
> music at Coronation? Thank you!
>
> Fridhur Haralds - Rosenfeld
> ladyfridr at prodigy.net
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I don't think she's on this list but I've forwarded your message to her.
Robert
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Message: 6
From: "Harry Bilings" <humble_archer at hotmail.com>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] WATER & GATORADE
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:35:18 -0500
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Because if you drink just "sport drink" you can get dehydrated because of
the "salt" content of the drink. Don't ask how I know.
plachoya
>>
>Hola!
>
>As everyone says because of the electrolytes...they help you from becoming
>dehydrated. But, please remember to dilute to 1/2. Why because we have
>fighters that have a tendancy to drink only gatorade/poweraide. This is no=
t
>good for the system (I for got why...ask Caelin Andrede or Crandall). Her=
e
>in Elfsea, we buy whichever is cheaper.
>
>I think that your second question depends upon the fighter. Just make sure
>they are getting plenty of water and not "over-dosing" on the electrolytes=
.
>
>Soem of the other things you might serve are pickles, oranges, bananas,
>water-melon, pretzels, and grapes. Word of warning...with grapes, and
>watermelon you need to watch those who them closely as these can cause
>cramping and The Texas Quick Step (aka diahrea). I advise against serving
>straight pickle juice because it acts as a blood thinner (or so I have bee=
n
>told by my doctor). I try serve my fruits and pickles cold by placing the=
m
>in an ice chest.
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>Maria
>
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Message: 7
From: "Jayme Michaels" <branapgruffydd at sbcglobal.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] WATER & GATORADE
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:10:27 -0500
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Here is my two cents as well. I have always heard that Gatoraid and the
like are made to enter the body quickly and take water with it. But is
leaves the bodie just as quickly, hence drinking water as well as Gatoraid.
But im not sure of that its just what i have heard
Bran Ap Gruffydd
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:16:49 -0500
From: "Mark S. Harris" <stefan at texas.net>
CC: LHsu at getty.edu,
"SCA-ARTS at listsvr.pca.net digest" <sca-arts at listsvr.pca.net>,
SCA-Cooks maillist <SCA-Cooks at ansteorra.org>,
Ansteorra mail list <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: [Ansteorra] Florence's florins and Rome's ducats
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Greetings folks,
I recieved this question yesterday. If anyone can answer her question
could you please send her the answer? Please remember that she is
not on this list, so send an email or cc her at: LHsu at getty.edu
I would also appreciate a copy to add to the Florilegium. Then the
answer will be available for others.
Thanks,
Stefan
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Dear Lord Stefan li Rous,
I stumbled upon your website while doing research on ancient currency. I a=
m wondering if I can post a problem on your website or if you might be able=
to help me with it. I am trying to find out the conversion rate between F=
lorence's florins and Rome's ducats between 1450 and 1550. Any help would =
be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Lillian Hsu
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I pointed her to the files I had in the Florilegium that might have
her answer but her reply was:
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Thank you for the files. They were very helpful. However, I still need a
little more information on the exchange rates at the time. I've read throu=
gh
numerous resources online, but have not been able to come to any definite
conclusions. I would really appreciate it if you could forward this proble=
m to
your mail lists:
What were the exchange rates between Roman ducats and giuliii to Florentine
florins from 1450-1550? (This question is part of a research project on th=
e
sale of gems between Rome and other Italian cities.)
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Message: 9
From: "Connie Marie Carroll" <Connie.Bunny at worldnet.att.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Coronation Awards
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:11:15 -0400
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Any other awards given out at Coronation??
Mistress Bunny
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Congratulations to Ansteorra's newest, Pelican - Count Sir Simon of Amber,
Knight - Sir Erasmus Totengraber, and Lion - Master Lucais du
Belier. Vivat!!!!
Sir Burke
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Message: 10
From: "Morgan Cain (Ansteorra)" <morgancain at earthlink.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] WATER & GATORADE
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:31:36 -0500
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Alina asked:
> Stupid question but I'll ask anyway.
>
> Why gatorade?
As a very experienced waterbearer and former fighter, I will echo what many
people have said: it's the mixture of sugar, salt, and minerals,
particularly potassium, in Gatorade, Powerade, and the other "sports drinks"
that have made them de rigeur for waterbearing.
If you don't like the taste of Gatorade, don't drink it. Or try other
flavours; I think lemon-lime and orange are the easiest to get in the large,
cheap quantities, which is why people tend to use those. Personally, the
only one I can tolerate at all is Lemon Ice; all the rest are too nasty to
choke down, even if I probably need it. As people have said, make the stuff
half-strength. When fighters are on the field and drinking a lot, they need
the water more, and full-strength can give them too many of the minerals
etc. Yes, as some people pointed out, there are those who like to drink
pickle juice, so don't dump it out when pulling the pickles for snacks.
Keep it in the jar so it's easy to find when someone comes looking.
Some people prefer sekanjabin, which is basically a syrup of vinegar and
sugar and mint, but most fighters want to drink the stuff with potassium and
other minerals. Of course, you should also have solid forms such as
pretzels, oranges, pickles, and if you have the funds, melon and grapes kept
on ice will be VERY popular if the sun and temperature are both up.
Be sure to have plenty of water, too! I know that sounds obvious, but at
some sites with poor plumbing, you have to bring in enough fresh water to
keep everybody going. Not just the fighters, be sure the waterbearers water
the marshalls - and themselves! I've taught people, especially children,
that the rule is one-to-three (easy to remember!) - you take one drink for
every three people who get a drink from you. And always drink before you
put up the jugs, for example if there is a "waterbearers in" during a melee,
when you come off the field, get another swing. It's one thing when the
fighters go down from the heat - it's embarrassing when the waterbearers do
it. <G>
---= Morgan
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Message: 11
From: "Maleah" <baroness_maleah at cox.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] WATER & GATORADE
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:44:55 -0500
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Samuel said:
>
> Sodas have too much carbonation in them. ( loud burps
> distract one from blocking, throwing shots, and that
> "ugh Im feeling bloated" feeling more often than not,
> proceeds the vomit. plus NO one wants to hear big
> burly fighter talking about being bloated..... )
Plus ANYTHING with caffeine or alcohol in it is a diuretic (translate to: it
makes you pee) which is the last thing you want in combination with heat.
So, most sodas (especially Mountain Dew, 2x the caffeine as Coke), coffee,
tea and chocolate (yeah right, convince people to give up chocolate, Ha!)
should be right out if you're looking at dehydration. Vinegar is made from
apples and so helps to replace the electrolytes as well. Full strength
Gatorade can cause as many problems as it helps by causing potassium
overload and vomiting. Not my favorite thing to do at events.
Probably more than you wanted to know.
Maleah
Baroness of Namron and Chirurgeon for 18 years.
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From: "Maleah" <baroness_maleah at cox.net>
To: "Ansteorra" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:53:50 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Coronation
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
I would like to take a moment to thank the good people of the Shire of
Middleford for a very nice event. Everything that they could control (let's
face it, no one can control Mother Nature) went off very well. Thank you for
giving so much of your time and effort so the rest of us could play. Job
well done.
Maleah
Baroness of Namron
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Message: 13
From: Pem1968 at aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:45:58 EDT
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] WATER & GATORADE
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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My 2 cents....
As a fighter and someone who played football in high school in texas and had
to go through 2 a days in august, nothing beats a cold FULL strength
gatorade...yes it MAY cause vomiting/ potassium buildup in some but my
system
is not affected adversely by "normal" gatorade but my tastebuds are
definately affected by the watered down version....if a choice between water
and watered downed gatorade....water wins everytime
Malcolm
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From: "Aurore" <Aurore at hot.rr.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:05:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for Mistress Gunnora
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Sorry for bandwidth. I'm looking for Mistress Gunnora. Aurore
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From: "Christie Ward" <val_org at hotmail.com>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Looking for Mistress Gunnora
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:58:34 -0500
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Answered.
::GUNNVOR::
<gunnora at vikinganswerlady.org>
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:21:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jane Sitton <lymadelina at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] WATER & GATORADE
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Lots of salt in pickles, as well.
Madelina
--- Ron Brooks <rbrooks at xit.net> wrote:
> I imagine that the pickle juice has to do with the
> vinegar. Vinegar and water
> has long been a drink for dehydration from Roman
> times at least.
>
> L T wrote:
>
> > --- MofLGM at aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 16/7/2002 10:23:48 PM,
> ldeerslayer at yahoo.com writes:
> > >
> > > << The Midrealm, Calontir and parts of Meridies
> also hand out pickle
> > > juice.... >>
> > >
> > > Not that I have seen. Here is Northshield,
> which is a principality of the
> > > the Middle they have water, Gatorade to drink
> and also offer dill pickles,
> > > orange slices and pretzels.
> > >
> > > Malcolm
> >
> > I guess it's just parts of the Midrealm then....
> >
> > I was at Border Raids in Fort Knox Kentucky and
> they were passing out
> > pickle juice...maybe it was the "Southern"
> influence of Meridies...
> >
> > Lorraine
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:23:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: L T <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Dehydration
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Looking briefly on the web...(though not that everything you
read on the web is true...) on sports medicine sites
current theory seems to be:
in regards to dehydration:
Water is fine for 1 hour or under of exercise
after that you need to alternate an electolyte
solution and water or take in electrolytes with
your water (i.e. pickles, oranges, etc)
apparently when the electolytes are out of balance
our bodies do not absorb the water the way they should.
They also suggest that caffine and alcohol (or any
diaretic) intake should be stopped 24 hours before heavy exercise....
(like I see THAT happening...especially at war... ;)
since those promote dehydration...
Potassium toxicity is rare even amongst the most active of atheletes.
It does happen though...especially in reaction to some medications
and risk increases if you have any impairment of the kidneys
(i.e. kidney disease, alcohol consumption...etc)
it's symptoms are:
muscle fatigue and cardiac arrythmia...
Lorraine
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