[Ansteorra] RE: membership dues
Tump Laird
tlaird at satx.rr.com
Thu Jul 25 17:21:51 PDT 2002
Well spoken Ysfael! And not for my 35.00 worth:
The whole time I was an officer in the army, both active and reserve, I was
always a paid member of the officers club, whether I went there once a week
or once a year. I did this even though the discounts I got were less that
the monthly dues. The reason? To make the club a better place for all that
went there.
The current membership fees for the SCA are what they are based on the
number of people that join, and DON'T JOIN. If everybody that played paid,
we would all have to pay less.
The cold facts are that we (the fighters) engage in a dangerous and
potentially deadly game. Honor and chivalry is what we all do or should
aspire to, but when reality and lawsuits do battle with them, honor seldom
survives first contact.
They SCA could not have survived without the lawyers and insurance. It is a
sad fact in life. I personally feel that one should not have to pay the
costs of another just because they don't think they can afford it.
Let us put that 35.00 in perspective. If you own a vehicle (necessary to
get to an event) then you are paying 30 to 100 times the 35.00 for insurance
just to get to the event!
Never talk about a problem without a solution, so here is my recommendation
to the BOD:
The fighters will hate this one, but... We incur the most liability, and
need the insurance the most, so:
Require membership to become authorized.
Charge a small fee for authorizations and card renewal.
As for discouraging new members:
Let members sponsor a new person to their first event free of charge, except
for feast. Cover them with the insurance so they can work the event. (If
they are there for free, they will be more likely to want help out, which
makes the event more fun)
After the first event, they can buy a trial membership, good for six months
for 10.00.
Six months is enough time for anyone to see if they want to be a part of
this organization. As a friend said the other day, "The SCA is not a hobby,
it is a way of life." Simply put, if you enjoy this group as much as I do,
pay the dues, and make the club a better place for all.
HONESTAS SUPRA OMNES
(Honor Above All)
Lord Botolf the Dane
P.S. Upon examination I have just realized that my Blue card expired the
end of June. Can anyone loan me 35.00? :)
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1. RE: Non-member surcharge (Was Re: [Ansteorra] BoD meeting) (Connie
Marie Carroll)
2. RE: Non-member surcharge (Was Re: [Ansteorra] BoD meeting) (Carl
Chipman)
3. Re: RE: Non-member surcharge (Was Re: [Ansteorra] BoD meeting)
(horoun)
4. Silly statement alert (WasNon-member surcharge) (Scot & Domino Eddy)
5. pay and play (Nancy Wederstrandt)
6. Re: Non-member surcharge (Was Re: [Ansteorra] BoD meeting) (Galen W.
Bevel)
7. Re: Non-member surcharge (Ron Brooks)
8. RE: pay and play (Cleek, James M.)
9. RE: Non-member surcharge (Was Re: [Ansteorra] BoD meeting) (Jay
Yeates)
10. RE: pay and play (Lady Littlefox)
11. RE: Awards and Manners Was--> Things to think about..
.. (Harris Mark.S-rsve60)
12. Re: Awards and Manners Was--> Things to think about.... (Tausha
Walker)
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Message: 1
From: "Connie Marie Carroll" <Connie.Bunny at worldnet.att.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: RE: Non-member surcharge (Was Re: [Ansteorra] BoD meeting)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:42:40 -0400
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
And if you haven't......you should.
Mistress Bunny
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[mailto:ansteorra-admin at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Margaret Mitchell
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:19 AM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: Non-member surcharge (Was Re: [Ansteorra] BoD meeting)
Actually, what it says is that if a non-member is helping at an event
and damage is caused that would require the SCA's liability insurance to
pay for it, the SCA will turn around and sue the non-member to get the
money back. So, if a non-member is working in the kitchen and a small
kitchen fire starts, or something gets broken, the SCA will hold the
non-member responsible.
I think anyone who reads through the minutes will be very enlightened.
http://members.aol.com/vnendid//20020720_SCA_Board_Meeting.html
Mirrim
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Message: 2
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: RE: Non-member surcharge (Was Re: [Ansteorra] BoD meeting)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:40:37 -0500
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
I'm sure uninsured drivers feel the same way about themselves.
Jean Paul
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Behalf Of Bob Dewart
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:48 AM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: Non-member surcharge (Was Re: [Ansteorra] BoD meeting)
As it does for me. I don't remember if my first membership cost me $6 or
$10. While the price of membership has gone up, the price of a non
membership is still $00.00. How's that for holding against inflation?
Gilli
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From: "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:34 AM
Subject: Non-member surcharge (Was Re: [Ansteorra] BoD meeting)
> Bob Dewart (gilli at seacove.net) said something that sounded like:
> > To all those who responded, thank you. If I read it correctly, Paul you
are
> > my hero!!!!!!! I shall renew my membership. Thank you for a job well
done.
>
> Hmmm. I'm not sure everyone will feel that way. In particular, this
> part:
>
> - $3 "member discount" on event admissions, difference to be sent to
> corporation by group/kingdom, implementation details to be worked out
> by individual Kingdoms and Soc. Sen. (OK)
>
> While some groups have them now, many are not $3 and the local group
> gets to keep them. Now they have to raise fees for non-members by $3 and
> send the $3 to the Corporation. This brings back some memories for me.
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
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> Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra | They're Defective!
> Dark Horde Moritu | All the parts are out of stock."
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:47:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: horoun <horoun at swbell.net>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: RE: Non-member surcharge (Was Re: [Ansteorra] BoD meeting)
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:38:34 -0500 Jay Yeates <jyeates at realtime.net> wrote.
>'wolf
>.... pity that the society is now driven less by the concepts of honor
>and chivalry .. and more by corporate CYA and insurance issues.
>
Hmmm-Think that the Society is still driven by honor and chivalry, but that
the Corporate umbrella is haunted by CYA and insurance issues.
Robert
(its a fine line, but still a line)
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:04:34 -0500
From: Scot & Domino Eddy <domino7 at texas.net>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Silly statement alert (WasNon-member surcharge)
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
Silly statement alert.
Just for curiosity's sake when did you pay $6 - $10 for membership? Gas
is now anywhere from $1.29 - $1.49 a gal., how much did you pay back
then? A 20 oz. Coke is now $.99, how much did you pay for it back then.
How much was a postage stamp? It's now $.39. Now compare your paycheck
to back then.
Since this all stems from the letter Lord Dominic sent perhaps we should
revisit one of his points.
If you can't afford the SCA maybe you should find a hobby you can
afford. The SCA is NOT a right.
And encouraging people to not get a membership is irresponsible.
Sincerely,
Jovian
Bob Dewart wrote:
>As it does for me. I don't remember if my first membership cost me $6 or
>$10. While the price of membership has gone up, the price of a non
>membership is still $00.00. How's that for holding against inflation?
>
>Gilli
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:59:54 -0500
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
From: Nancy Wederstrandt <nweders at mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: [Ansteorra] pay and play
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Well, I have to say that the pay and play 3.00 surcharge is not surprising
since it is the easy way out. The Board doesn't have to stretch it's legs
and go look for an alternative way of getting money. It's far easier to
tax it's participants than it is to go find grants and awards for groups.
Having taken several classes in grant writing for my mundane job as well as
having a number of friends who work at various schools and museums, I am
astonished at the amount of grants and loans that the SCA could solicit and
perhaps achieve. But the Board would rather do the "easy" thing and
penalize people who for one reason or another are not members but are often
times some of our hardest workers.
At a time when a weekend event costs 10 to sometimes 15. dollars and having
an additional 3.00 tacked on it might make new people more hesitate about
joining or seeing if they would like the group. Perhaps the Board is
looking to reduce membership and make a more elitist SCA for people who can
afford it.
Clare who is quite jaded at the SCA at the moment.
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Message: 6
From: "Galen W. Bevel" <galenbv at ix.netcom.com>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org, "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
Subject: Re: Non-member surcharge (Was Re: [Ansteorra] BoD meeting)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:7:16 -0500
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>
> DonnelShaw at aol.com (DonnelShaw at aol.com) said something that sounded like:
> > The part that got me is that they do not want unpaid members helping at
> > events due to liability. So the people who come to the event and pay the
> > extra $3 that goes to corporate cant do anything to help. At least that
is
> > what I read.
>
> You read the same as me. We now have to check member cards of everyone
> that we ask to setup tables, help at gate, and refill the TP in the
> port-o-lets.
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> Phelim "Pug" Gervase | "What about your Gods?
> Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra | They're Defective!
> Dark Horde Moritu | They forgot the warranty"
> pug at pug.net | --Meatloaf
I don't read it quite that way. I don't see anywhere that they are saying
that non-members can't help, or that we need to check cards or anything to
prevent them from doing so. What it says is that if you are not a member,
you will not be protected by the societies insurance for any damage your
actions may cause. Basically, you can do what you like but if something
happens, you are on your own. Since the societies insurance covers the
society and the site owner the damages get paid but the society would, if
necessary, sue to recover them. I am not sure about our specific case, but
many times this is required by the insurance and in others failure to do so
could be regarded as a lack of corporate responsibility, legally speaking
(caveat- I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, these are just things
I have heard and picked up dealing with my own company mundanely).
Galen Kirchenbauer
--- Galen W. Bevel
--- galenbv at ix.netcom.com
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:14:20 -0500
From: Ron Brooks <rbrooks at xit.net>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Non-member surcharge
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Here is my point of view on this matter. I don't have a problem with non
members attending the events and *not* paying a surcharge, just really
admission fee.
However, isn't there always a however :-), *only* paid members get to
participate in the fighting, heavy, light, boffer. Only the paid members
get to enter knife axe and spear, archery, A and S, Bardic. I suppose it
comes down to pay to play. I think that you should even have to be a paid
member to be authorized.
Come on now, if you are so broke you can't dig up the yearly membership
fee you had better not even come to events with an admission charge and
buy groceries.
The way we have it set up now you get the TI and the right to hold office
for being a member. All of the event information in the Black Star can be
gathered off of this list and the Kingdom Calendar and because of last
minute changes is often more accurate.
Because of real life problems you can't be a paid member, come on out to
fighter practice and such, *that* you can do. Come to A and S work shops,
even War Practice, but no contests.
Bjorn Lochlannac
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Message: 8
From: "Cleek, James M." <James.M.Cleek at abc.com>
To: "'ansteorra at ansteorra.org'" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] pay and play
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:50:01 -0400
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
When I was heavily involved in an organized waterski team. We had similar
issues in that to recruite people we wanted to get them on the water but you
could not put them on an approved and sanctioned site with out USA WS
membership and the insurance it provided. What they did have though, and
this worked quite well, is daily insurance. You would pay your $5.00 and be
allowed to ski with the team at a sanctioned practice or in a competition
for the event. The best part is that the payments would apply to your
membership so if you came to 7 practices or contests your $35.00 membership
would be paid and you would soon get a membership card and the quarterly
magazine in the mail.
This worked out very well for those who had a tighter budget yet still
wanted to participate. Yes their initial cost per event was higher but if
they enjoyed it and continued to play soon they would be members with all
the rights associated with membership.
Yes it was a bit of a pain to collect the money and send it in and track the
number of payments etc. but our local membership grew because of it and the
national membership grew. Everybody wins.
Iames
-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Wederstrandt [mailto:nweders at mail.utexas.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:00 AM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] pay and play
Well, I have to say that the pay and play 3.00 surcharge is not surprising
since it is the easy way out. The Board doesn't have to stretch it's legs
and go look for an alternative way of getting money. It's far easier to
tax it's participants than it is to go find grants and awards for groups.
Having taken several classes in grant writing for my mundane job as well as
having a number of friends who work at various schools and museums, I am
astonished at the amount of grants and loans that the SCA could solicit and
perhaps achieve. But the Board would rather do the "easy" thing and
penalize people who for one reason or another are not members but are often
times some of our hardest workers.
At a time when a weekend event costs 10 to sometimes 15. dollars and having
an additional 3.00 tacked on it might make new people more hesitate about
joining or seeing if they would like the group. Perhaps the Board is
looking to reduce membership and make a more elitist SCA for people who can
afford it.
Clare who is quite jaded at the SCA at the moment.
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Message: 9
From: "Jay Yeates" <jyeates at realtime.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: RE: Non-member surcharge (Was Re: [Ansteorra] BoD meeting)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:02:48 -0500
Organization: Wolfgaard Systems
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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Jay Yeates wrote:
> 'wolf
> ... pity that the society is now driven less by the concepts of
> honor and chivalry .. and more by corporate CYA and insurance
> issues.
>
AAaaacckkkk!!!!! Corporate America invades the "dream". That's why
I do this. To have time to get away from the &*#@ corporation. If
corporate CYA and insurance issues are so prevelant, its going to be
a challenge to find the fun.
...
there's a basic tenent of history about "those who do not remember
their history are doomed to repeat it". this matter, in similar
guise has come up severals times over the years, each time igniting
firestorms of conflict leading to yet more division ... each time
driving out more members who are no longer able to find
the fun in their hobby or who lose faith with the leaders who are
changing the game in their favor.
a point the enlightened BOD does not see, the very people they will
be driving off - the new, the idealistic, the ones with opne eyes -
are exactly the ones that the organization needs to survive.
starting a organization penalization of non-subscribers creates a
class-bound society that will make entry more difficult for the new
and in many cases will block the very people grousp are actively
seeking.
i would wager that "Milpitas Meltdown II" is in the formative stages.
'wolf
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Message: 10
From: "Lady Littlefox" <jinx at cowboy.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] pay and play
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:07:37 -0500
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
I tend to agree with this view as well... it seems pointless to me... Well
to charge non members $3 extra just for not being members.... IE for no
other reason than they're there, the charge isn't covering anything other
than annoyance tax for the SCA.
Now if it was an extra 5 to 7 and it covered your insurance on site and such
forth and basically gave you a 'temporary' sort of membership like your
usage charge I could perfectly understand.
I guess what I'm saying is that while the $3 charge is encouraging people to
get a membership it's not really doing anything but saying 'we're not going
to cover you /and/ we're still going to charge you more for coming, but
you're still going to pay because we're such a great group.' Make it a bit
more, give the SCA a bit more money and expand the insurance.
Oh well I'll stop babbling now ;)
Littlefox
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From: ansteorra-admin at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-admin at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Cleek, James M.
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:50 AM
To: 'ansteorra at ansteorra.org'
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] pay and play
When I was heavily involved in an organized waterski team. We had similar
issues in that to recruite people we wanted to get them on the water but you
could not put them on an approved and sanctioned site with out USA WS
membership and the insurance it provided. What they did have though, and
this worked quite well, is daily insurance. You would pay your $5.00 and be
allowed to ski with the team at a sanctioned practice or in a competition
for the event. The best part is that the payments would apply to your
membership so if you came to 7 practices or contests your $35.00 membership
would be paid and you would soon get a membership card and the quarterly
magazine in the mail.
This worked out very well for those who had a tighter budget yet still
wanted to participate. Yes their initial cost per event was higher but if
they enjoyed it and continued to play soon they would be members with all
the rights associated with membership.
Yes it was a bit of a pain to collect the money and send it in and track the
number of payments etc. but our local membership grew because of it and the
national membership grew. Everybody wins.
Iames
-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Wederstrandt [mailto:nweders at mail.utexas.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:00 AM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] pay and play
Well, I have to say that the pay and play 3.00 surcharge is not surprising
since it is the easy way out. The Board doesn't have to stretch it's legs
and go look for an alternative way of getting money. It's far easier to
tax it's participants than it is to go find grants and awards for groups.
Having taken several classes in grant writing for my mundane job as well as
having a number of friends who work at various schools and museums, I am
astonished at the amount of grants and loans that the SCA could solicit and
perhaps achieve. But the Board would rather do the "easy" thing and
penalize people who for one reason or another are not members but are often
times some of our hardest workers.
At a time when a weekend event costs 10 to sometimes 15. dollars and having
an additional 3.00 tacked on it might make new people more hesitate about
joining or seeing if they would like the group. Perhaps the Board is
looking to reduce membership and make a more elitist SCA for people who can
afford it.
Clare who is quite jaded at the SCA at the moment.
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Message: 11
From: "Harris Mark.S-rsve60" <Mark.s.Harris at motorola.com>
To: "'ansteorra at ansteorra.org'" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Awards and Manners Was--> Things to think about..
..
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:28:54 -0700
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Innes commented:
> Maria, There was a time when whoever got help, gave a very
> small piece of
> largess,
> to those that helped. Also, the people who helped a steward
> or co ordinator,
> was given a token of appreciation for their help,
> unfortunately that seems to
> have gone by the wayside. When I coordinate something and I
> have people who
> help me , ie: deputies, I always give them some thing.
While I do not think that such a token such become expected, I
think it is often a nice thing to do. And sometimes it doesn't
even have to be a physical item. There topic of gifts for cooking
crews came up a while back on the SCA-Cooks list. One of the
suggestions that got a lot of applause was that one lady often
arranges for someone to come through her kitchen and give the
hardworking workings a massage.
Anyway, here are two files in the Florilegium that might be
useful for some useful, often inexpensive ideas for largess.
largess-ideas-msg (51K) 11/30/00 Ideas for largess and gifts. Royalty
gifts.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/SCA-INC/largess-ideas-msg.html
Hmmm. I can't find the new file with the comments on thank you gifts
for the event staff. I'll see about getting it online if it is not
there.
THL Stefan li Rous
stefan at texas.net
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Message: 12
From: "Tausha Walker" <celeste_namron at post.com>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:32:41 +0800
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Awards and Manners Was--> Things to think about....
Reply-To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Greetings.
I've been doing much the same. Just kind of sitting here watching to see wh=
ere the thread will lead. I don't normally comment anymore because I always=
manage to land myself in trouble or in the middle of something. :-) Howeve=
r, :-) , having read through most of the other messages, I do wish to comme=
nt on this.
I am much the same way as you are. I work my rear end off at almost every e=
vent I go to. I herald, waterbear, list mistress, or whatever I can find to=
do. However, I don't do it because I may get an award or because I expect =
a "Thank You". I do those things because I enjoy doing them and it represen=
ts an aspect of the Dream for me. I used to expect that "Thank you" but I c=
ame to realize that it's not always forthcoming. That used to hurt. What I =
finally came to realize ... and believe me, it took a while ... is that peo=
ple don't always say Thank you. It's not because they don't appreciate what=
you've done or because they're being rude. Sometimes they forget to tell y=
ou because they've gotten distracted with something else. Sometimes it's no=
t the people in charge that will tell you thanks but other participants. So=
metimes they show you their thanks instead of telling you. A lot of times, =
they mean to thank you when they get a chance but they can't find you. Ther=
e have been many times when an autocrat, a marshall, a Baron/ess, or someon=
e else has found me at the end of an event and told me Thank you. No, Large=
sse giving isn't dead. I get Largesse all the time.
Believe me ... your work is appreciated by all of us. Another thing I've le=
arned is that there is always someone watching. I know this because I now h=
ave a Sable Crane and a Sable Thistle. It made me a little nervous at first=
but I just went back to the root of why I do all these things ... I just p=
lain love doing them.
If you see someone in need and you go help them and they forget to say Than=
k you, it's not that they don't appreciate it. Maybe they have their minds =
on the rest of what they have to accomplish. They may find you later. Don't=
go off upset because they didn't say it. They may show it later on.
Another thing ... if you have something that you have to accomplish, don't =
stop and help someone else. It'll frustrate you if you're only helping beca=
use you think it's the right thing to do.
I know a lot of people who have quit over the years because they didn't fee=
l appreciated, or because they didn't get an award. I think that is wrong. =
Do things because you love them. Play this game because you love it. Help p=
eople because you want to. Not because you expect something in return or be=
cause it's the "right thing to do". If I've learned one major philosophy ou=
t of this game it's got to be "Never expect anything. You won't get it."
Lady Celeste
----- Original Message -----
From: "CE Huse/Lady Maria Cabeca de Vaca" <cehuse at sbcglobal.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 01:26:02 -0500
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: [Ansteorra] Awards and Manners Was--> Things to think about....
> Hola!
>
> I have been watching this thread with some interest the past couple of da=
ys.
> Awards have become a touchy subject for me lately.
>
> I have been playing for only 3 years now. Every event I go to, I work my
> rear end off. I have washed dishes, watched and fed other people's childr=
en,
> water-beared, I've 2 offices consecutively, for a time I Chirurgeoned, an=
d
> even stepped up when there was a needed for a hand in other folks campsit=
es.
> I got my AoA before my 12 month anniversary. Why did I do all this work? =
Was
> it for an award? Was it for "political power"? No and No. I did it becaus=
e I
> thought that my hard work was appreciated and I looked forward to someone
> saying a simple "thanks".
>
> That was over two years ago. I have still worked my butt off at several
> events and only 2 people have said thank you. I have even watched as my 8
> year son and 9 year old daughter worked so very hard at events too and no=
t
> been thanked...this hurts me deeply. This is just bad manners folks and
> there is no excuse for bad manners! To be truthful, I'm sick and tired of
> working so very hard just to have the people I have helped turn their bac=
ks
> and walk off. I joined the SCA because I thought I would meet kind, gener=
ous
> and polite people. This hurts me to ask this but...Was I wrong in this
> assumption?
>
> Awards are pieces of paper (some come with little bits of leather, metal =
or
> cloth to hang on your clothes) that mean alot to those in the SCA. But wh=
at
> do they mean to the mundane world that we must live in? Not a thing. I ag=
ree
> with Gilli, awards are gifts. But what I don't agree with is that they ar=
e
> gifs from the crown. They are gifts from your friends and acquaintances
> because it is your friends and acquaintances that recommend you for an
> award. Without them, the crown would never know what you have done.
>
> I have been watching the last few years as people have left and those tha=
t
> have just quit working events because they weren't thanked for their hard
> work. If we want more people helping with events or getting help with you=
r
> personal items, then it is high time we start using a bit of manners and =
say
> a simple thank you to those who have helped you.
>
> I'm sorry that this post has come off a bit brusque, but this has just hi=
t a
> sore spot with me.
>
> Yours in Service,
> Maria
>
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As the bird, we must all learn to fly free. Like the fleur-de-lys, we are a=
ll of us three parts of one ... mind, body, and most of all ... spirit.
Live the Dream!
Lady Celeste Courtenay de Montmorency
per bend wavy purpure and vert. a bend wavy between a bustard rising and a =
fleur -de-lys or.
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