[Ansteorra] Ties

[Harris Mark.S-rsve60]

Thank you, Diarmaid.

It apparently does have some roots that go back further than
I thought. Almost to period.

Stefan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Carlson [mailto:marccarlson20 at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:42 PM
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Ties
>
>
> In the 17th century, a Croatian regiment is said to have
> visited Paris in
> 1660 after a great battle with the Turks, or they were seen
> by the French
> king in 1636 - who knows.  Part of their officer's apparel
> was a bit of
> fabric tied around the neck.  Louis XIV thought this was cool
> (or in French
> "froid") and created his own regiment of "Royal Cravattes" (the French
> frequently misspell things like that).
>
> These fashion for tying hankies around the neck soon replaced
> the previous
> tradition of laying lacework doilies about the torso, and
> soon even the
> English decided that this was worth a try.
>
> By the 19th century, cravats were THE thing a gentleman ought
> to be wearing.
>   Byron it is said, brought about the next stage in this
> evolution, when he
> developed an avant-guarde looser knot for his cravat that
> wound up with two
> loose (and unstarched) ends hanging off the front of the neck.
>
> About this same time, boys would start having their cravats
> tied with big
> bows, thus being the origin of both the bow tie and it's
> slightly immature
> and casual reputation (since the tuxedo was originally an
> informal outfit,
> the casual bow tie eventually was attached to it as well).
>
> But I digress...
>
> Dickens brought his own variation of the cravat to the US,
> with not knotting
> his cravat at all, but just drawing it through a ring (and
> you wondered
> where string ties came from...  Boy scout neckerchiefs)
>
> The "four-in-hand" is attributed to English coachmen, who
> tied their cravats
> in slip knots to keep them from blowing as they quickly drove
> their coaches.
>
> Then we get to Edward VII (the former Prince of Wales, aka
> Bertie, Vicki's
> boy).  During his long time as Prince of Wales, he greatly altered the
> fashion of the cravat, until it almost resembled the modern
> tie in all forms
> (the last touches would be brought about by his grand son, the Duke of
> Windsor).
>
> Marc/Diarmaid
>
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