[Ansteorra] Which brings us to...

[willow taylor]

Hi this is Willow

I suspect this problem is do to not arranging for enough people doing an
event. In the old days an autocrat knew that the members of a local group
would stay and take care of cleanup. Today, because we have so many
people, there is a tenancy to think someone else is already taking care
of the problem. We need better communications.

Of course I was not thinking of the event clean up when I was talking
about not getting help. I was thinking of the "special activities".  The
dance area for courtly dance or the halfa area for the middle eastern
dances or the special archery shoot or the bardic circle or million other
things. Many of these things are not organized by the local group. They
are organized by individuals. Many people have told me they liked my
bardic areas , dance areas , taverns, Ladies pavilions, theatrical
productions, quest or etc.  They have told me that these added magic to
their events. None of what I did was sponsored by a local group. The
local groups allowed me to do these activities at their event but they
did not pay for them or provide people to work on them.  The people who
shared in these activities did the work. The Drakemoor and Lindenwood
ladies put on the Ladies pavilions. The Lindenwood Middle Eastern dance
guild put on the Coffee shops or Shows.  The Clan Caldal did the Taverns.
These are groups I worked with but I have seen other groups do special
things also. The Grail Company for example puts on wonderful Pas de Arms.
Anytime you want to do something special you have to put a group
together. Many times it can't be the people who are putting on the event
because they are doing to much all ready. We the people who enjoy these
special activities need to seek out opportunities to help. There is a
greater chance that something  you enjoy will continue if the people
working on the activity get a little help.

On Thu, 9 May 2002 11:49:17 -0400 "morgancain at earthlink.net"
<morgancain at earthlink.net> writes:
> "J.G. Bretz" wrote:
>
> > If I go to an event that is not my local event...I assume that
> > the teardown is taken care of.  I feel I am a guest.  I find
> > that we need to only ask.  I think most people assume things
> > are arranged previous.  If not...one needs only ask.  I would
> > never presume to tear down someone's setup as a matter of course.
>
> I don't go in and start teardown, BUT I have been to too many events
> where the locals all evaporate when it's time for cleanup.  They
> claim to have worked all day and are too tired to help, so sometimes
> the only people doing clean-up are the autocrats, and maybe the head
> cook.  That is COMPLETELY UNFAIR.  But it happens often and it
> happens in every Kingdom (at least, it has in most of the ones where
> I have lived or visited).  So I am often on the cleanup crew, even
> when it's not my group - or my own Kingdom.
>
> Other groups assign people to arrival times and jobs so that you
> don't have someone there from 8:00am to 2:00am working.  Some people
> might arrive at noon, or later, so that they are fresher for the
> cleanup stages into the night.  This makes quite a bit of sense.
>
> There is a problem when cleanup is the day after the event, or on
> the Sunday of a weekend event, because people simply disappear and
> do not return, or leave the site early.  On another list we are
> discussing codes of conduct, and I think a basic tenet would be
> living up to your promises.  If you say you are helping with
> cleanup, you show up and help.  Yes, sometimes a car breaks down or
> someone gets sick, but waking up tired or deciding to run all your
> errands first thereby arriving four hours late are NOT acceptable
> excuses.  Trust me, the autocrats and cooks are tired too!
>
> Contrary to behaving as if I am a guest to be catered to, I will
> often offer to help with cleanup.  You don't have to make a
> production of it, but I have been around too many events, in too
> many kingdoms, for too many years, to EVER assume that there are
> enough people doing cleanup (and this goes for washing dishes after
> the feast, too).
>
>                                    ---== Morgan
>
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