[Ansteorra] SCA Forms of Address

[Paul DeLisle]

>  "Honorable Lord or Lady" for any Gentle holding a Grant of Arms
> as well as
> "Don or Dona(with the proper pronunciation marks) for companions of the
> order of the White Scarf of Ansteorra, and "Centurion" for
> Companions of the Centurions of the Sable Star of Ansteorra.


Okay....ya *HAD* to push that button...

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"Honorable Lord or Lady" is *no* more correct than "His Lordship/Her
Ladyship."

*Some* Herald *somewhere* decided that this ("His Lordship" etc)  was a
"Victorian affectation"...and that "The Honorable Lord", (etc), was somehow
"more appropriate."

Allow me to disabuse *everyone* of this fallacy:

Quoting the Oxford English Dictionary, 17th reprinting, May, 1979
Lordship: (Definition 5: "the personality of a lord, esp. with posessive
pronouns")
Your Lordship: a form of address to noblemen (except archbishops and dukes)
(translation mine, to allow modern text)
c. 1489: "Thys worde I have sayd afore your lordshyppes for to (etc.)
c. 1540: My poore harte myghte better have served his lordshyppe.
c. 1550-3: Beseechynge Your Hyghnes... and honorable lordshyppes.
c. 1593:(Shakespeare, Henry VI) "Cousin of Exeter, what thinkes your
Lordship?"
c. 1613: (Henry VIII) "Health to your Lordships"

(I'll forego the next *seven* entries, as they are
moderately-to-significantly post-period.)

"Your Lordship" (or "Your Ladyship") is a *completely* appropriate form of
address.

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In Service, I remain
Alden Pharamond
Tempio, Ansteorra
(Olde Farte Herald)






> These are correct but they are correct by tradition and custom rather than
> SCA College of Arms approved titles. In fact there is no differentiation
> between Armiger(a Gentle holding any award with an Award of Arms
> attatched)
> and those holding a Grant of Arms in the approved tittles on the pages
> indicated by Mistress Loraine.
>
> If I were to go strictly by the book and suppose I were a Spanish
> Persona of
> Armigerous rank I _could_ by SCA rules use the title "Don". I would highly
> recommend against this in our fair Kingdom as it stands true that
> tradition
> and custom are much harder to change than laws and are usually much more
> carefully enforced.
>
> In Faith
> Master Darius
> (trying desperatly to deny his inner Herald)
>
> >
> > <snip> - all this was correct
> >
> > 13. All other Grants of Rank - Lord/Lady
> >
> > *** all awards accompanied by a Grant of Arms entitle the holder to be
> > titled Honorable Lord/Lady ***
> >
> >
> > <snip> - also all correct
> >
> >
> > Tomas
> >
> >
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