From ylwrose2 at juno.com  Fri Aug  1 06:26:58 2003
From: ylwrose2 at juno.com (ylwrose2@juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:26:58 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <20030801.062700.868.15.ylwrose2@juno.com>

> >"Their Oaken Excellencies" speaks of the stalwart strength of the 
> > Oak Tree and of Their Excellencies Steppes.
> >
> >Morgan the Taller
> 
> 
> Let's see...
> 
> Steppes: Their Downtrodden Excellencies

Good Don Tivar, despite your good-natured attempt at humor, I must
protest.  If you are alluding to the "steps" in our baronial ensign, they
lead upward.  I would suggest instead, Their Enduring Excellencies, as a
cousin of our founding Baron (who bears an *amazing* family resemblance
to the Baron himself) was seen in our fair lands only last summer. 
Enduring indeed!

Lady Francesca

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From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Fri Aug  1 07:22:45 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:22:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: "Bear" History
In-Reply-To: <200308011412.h71ECnA11586@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEGEMADDAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Mistress Shanahan said:
>In the pre-history times, Bjornsborg
>was "Bears-Fort" ... Bear --> Bare...
>See..?

Bjornsborg's arms have two white bears.  The history of the name also should
note that San Antonio is in Bexar County, which is pronounced "bay-har" and
sounds remarkably like "bear" if done quickly.

::GUNNVOR::

(Older than rope, but not older than dirt.)



From Gwenhuyvar at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 08:23:11 2003
From: Gwenhuyvar at aol.com (Gwenhuyvar@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:23:11 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] German Fest Cabins
Message-ID: <160.23f2a53e.2c5bdfdf@aol.com>

Greetings,
If you would like to make cabin reservation for German Fest September 19-21 , 
please contact me as soon as possible at <A HREF="mailto:gwenhuyvar at aol.com">gwenhuyvar at aol.com</A>.  They are 
filling up fast.  When you contact me give me the SCA name and Mundane Name of each 
person you are making reservations for.  Thanks a lot.
In service 
Lady Gwenhuyvar verch Morgant Dedwydd
Shire of Brad Leah


From Julie at ettros.com  Fri Aug  1 08:53:13 2003
From: Julie at ettros.com (Julie Cunningham)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:53:13 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] German Fest Cabins
Message-ID: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E012ACBA7@ettros2.ettros.com>

Where is this?  Please help the newbie!

Kathryn of Ayr
(Julie)

-----Original Message-----
From: Gwenhuyvar at aol.com [mailto:Gwenhuyvar at aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:23 AM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] German Fest Cabins


Greetings,
If you would like to make cabin reservation for German Fest September 19-21 , 
please contact me as soon as possible at <A HREF="mailto:gwenhuyvar at aol.com">gwenhuyvar at aol.com</A>.  They are 
filling up fast.  When you contact me give me the SCA name and Mundane Name of each 
person you are making reservations for.  Thanks a lot.
In service 
Lady Gwenhuyvar verch Morgant Dedwydd
Shire of Brad Leah
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From pippermint at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  1 13:34:15 2003
From: pippermint at sbcglobal.net (Paula Hanna)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:34:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
Message-ID: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>

As Baroness of Bonwicke, I was really hoping to have some cool title to tag onto my
name. Alas, our arms are just 100 percent charge-free! For those who don't know,
they are a red and gold countercharged dancity. Hm.

I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or something
like that.

Oriana
Lady Bonwicke
who entertains herself greatly
;o)


From gam at door.net  Fri Aug  1 08:39:00 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:39:00 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Pity Party
Message-ID: <002901c35843$07cf8700$6701a8c0@anns>

Good People of the Ansteorra, friends: 

We the Barony of Bonwicke wish our travelers well, and that their journey to the Eastern lands are safe. May you return with many great memories and stories to tell us. To that end, We want to remind you that at Our lands will be a Pennsic Pity Party. There are plans for a snowball tourney, bardic, arts, and other activities. So plan on joining us on August 8-10 2003

Site Fee: Show up with camping gear or sleeping bag to stay at the house. Plenty of floor space available. Site is Maximillian and Anastasiya's Property. Note house is owned by cats and dogs they just let the humans live there.

Feast Fee: Pot luck- bring something or have something for the ladies to prepare. 

Directions: From points East and South. Make your way to I-27 head north past the airport. Take exit 11 (FM 1294) heading west. approximately 10 miles you will come to a gently curve. There will be a crossroad there turn right. You are now on FM 2528. The site is the 7th house. Sign will be posted. 

Points North coming down I-27 please take exit 11 and follow previous instruction.

Points West if coming from Brownfield take loop to North Frankford (FM 2528) go past the Walmart and then on to Clovis Hwy (84). Go across railroad tracks, you will come to a stop sign approximately 6 miles continue until you come to the 7th house. Signs will be posted.

If coming from Clovis, take the first stop light left (north) at FM 2528, cross the railroad tracks and follow previous instructions.

If you get lost call 806-741-1828 or 806-787-8007

If you can not make Pennsic, hope to see you there. Remember War in the Western Lands of Ansteorra is just a few weeks away.


From hlannes at ev1.net  Fri Aug  1 15:01:01 2003
From: hlannes at ev1.net (D. Vandever)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:01:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c35878$6aaabcc0$75d6dacf@dvanderver>

My Dear Baroness of Bonwicke,
If memory serves me, your illustrious barony is the farthest West in our
fair Kingdom. Perhaps that would entitle you to the epithet of "The Really
Way Out There Excellency". Just my 2 cents of suggestion. Until then, I
remain...
In Service,
Annes
Dear God,  Help me to be the person
my dog thinks I am.  Amen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paula Hanna" <pippermint at sbcglobal.net>
To: "ansteorra" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 3:34 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)


> As Baroness of Bonwicke, I was really hoping to have some cool title to
tag onto my
> name. Alas, our arms are just 100 percent charge-free! For those who don't
know,
> they are a red and gold countercharged dancity. Hm.
>
> I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or
something
> like that.
>
> Oriana
> Lady Bonwicke
> who entertains herself greatly
> ;o)
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>



From chiang at odsy.net  Fri Aug  1 15:19:03 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:19:03 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
	<001b01c35878$6aaabcc0$75d6dacf@dvanderver>
Message-ID: <003101c3587a$eafbf0e0$5150cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

No kidding, a bout 90 miles and we are in another Kingdom.
HE Chiang, who is luckily landless

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Vandever" <hlannes at ev1.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)


> My Dear Baroness of Bonwicke,
> If memory serves me, your illustrious barony is the farthest West in our
> fair Kingdom. Perhaps that would entitle you to the epithet of "The Really
> Way Out There Excellency". Just my 2 cents of suggestion. Until then, I
> remain...
> In Service,
> Annes
> Dear God,  Help me to be the person
> my dog thinks I am.  Amen





From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  1 15:41:54 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:41:54 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Queens Champion
Message-ID: <BAY1-F86TAMyJKrFQNb00017fbd@hotmail.com>

Sounds as if I missed a very fine Queen's. Sure sucks when you have to fix 
things around the house instead of go play.

plachoya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra
>
>I think is is also worth noting that Don Tivar was awarded the Queen's
>Blade of Honor.
>
>Doré
>
> >
> > The fighting was fierce, and I am pleased to say that not once was foul
> > called or warning given; each of the competitors upheld all that we
> > consider fair and just.
> >
> > In the final round (if age hasn't take my memory yet) Don Aaron Harper
> > fought Don Brendan McKewan.  In the end, Don Brendan won the tournament
> > and the honor to be called Queen's Champion.
> >
> > At the court that evening, Cadet Brian MacCael received a blade from the
> > hands of Her Serpentine Excellency for his valor on the field through
> > the day.
> >
> > In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
> > HL Gerald of Leesville
> > Ravenskald of Ravensfort
> > A bard of Stargate
> > Kingdom Ansteorra
> >

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From alexscribe at worldnet.att.net  Fri Aug  1 16:50:13 2003
From: alexscribe at worldnet.att.net (Eva Mehlhose)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:50:13 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c35887$a788de60$d8c9fea9@dell>


>
> I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or
something
> like that.
>
> Oriana
> Lady Bonwicke
> who entertains herself greatly
> ;o)


ooohhhhh....
does that make you a bonny wicked Lady?????????
grinning ear to ear
Alex the Scribe, Atenveldt

sorry, could absolutely positively not resist



From dirkthedead at cox.net  Fri Aug  1 18:41:24 2003
From: dirkthedead at cox.net (Dirk the Dead)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:41:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c35897$2f54d2e0$68216d44@dl.cox.net>

*rubs head in frustration*




> As Baroness of Bonwicke, I was really hoping to have some cool title to
tag onto my
> name. Alas, our arms are just 100 percent charge-free! For those who don't
know,
> they are a red and gold countercharged dancity. Hm.
>
> I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or
something
> like that.
>
> Oriana
> Lady Bonwicke
> who entertains herself greatly
> ;o)



From Jennamonster at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 21:16:28 2003
From: Jennamonster at aol.com (Jennamonster@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:16:28 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Seeking...
Message-ID: <1cd.e8ee4c2.2c5c951c@aol.com>


Would the good gentle in charge of Lost and Found from the recent Coronation 
kindly contact me off-list regarding a misplaced chirurgeon's baldric? I can 
describe it if you have said item. We did not see the original posting. 

With thanks,

Lady Elysia Katherine O'Malley


From catmafia at swbell.net  Sat Aug  2 18:41:19 2003
From: catmafia at swbell.net (Susan O'Neal)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 20:41:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>

I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them (and 
are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.  These are one of my 
favorite things and the ones Kit's friend brought from New Orleans just 
wern't that good, so I was going to make some.  This started me thinking 
about the fact that this is one of those things I learned from my mom and 
was never done with a recipe, you just did it and with whatever of the 
basic ingredience you had available-meaning I've made them possibly 
hundreds of different ways.  So I went to search for a recipe and found 10 
or so and was struck by how most were things I had done, but all were 
different.

I would love to hear how you all do it and what qualities the end result 
had, my favorite are the thick, creamy ones-but tend to enjoy any of the 
results.  I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole, 
which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  I also found the name 
of the person they were supposidly named after, 
http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html

Looking forward to hearing how everyone makes them,

Susan the Curious
catmafia at swbell.net




From Kvarner at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  2 20:39:59 2003
From: Kvarner at austin.rr.com (Kevin Varner)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:39:59 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <3.0.32.20030731184721.01638af0@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001601c35970$eab5d460$c1f7fea9@austin.rr.com>

Considering two of the guard live in your house I doubt we'd need to knock
at 3:00 a.m. ; )
HL Duncan MacConacher na' Dunheath
Captain, Baronial Guard
 &
Tivars Cadet

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Zakes" <moondrgn at austin.rr.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility


> At 06:09 PM 7/31/03 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >"Their Oaken Excellencies" speaks of the stalwart strength of the Oak
Tree
> >and of Their Excellencies Steppes.
> >
> >Morgan the Taller
>
>
> Let's see...
>
> Steppes: Their Downtrodden Excellencies
>
> Stargate: Their Spaced-Out Excellencies
>
> Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies
>
> Bordermarch: Their Borderline Excellencies
>
> Elfsea: Their Fair, but Soggy Excellencies
>
> Eldern Hills: Their Ancient Excellencies
>
> Bonwicke: Their Bonwicked Excellencies
>
> Namron: Their Twisted (or perhaps Blowhard) Excellencies
>
> Ravensfort: Their Flighty Excellencies
>
> Northkeep: Their Distant Excellencies
>
> Bryn Gwlad: Their Magnificent Excellencies (hey, I live there; you think I
> want the Baronial Guard knocking on my door at 3:00 A.M.? <G>)
>
> -Tivar Moondragon
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> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From Kvarner at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  2 20:41:24 2003
From: Kvarner at austin.rr.com (Kevin Varner)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:41:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <20030801002937.62344.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c35971$1ce5bae0$c1f7fea9@austin.rr.com>

Tell us a story Uncle Tivar!
Aerin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phelippe Descors" <ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility


> Do I really want to know the story behind this???
> 
>    Phelippe (the Wary)
> 
> Chris Zakes <moondrgn at austin.rr.com> wrote:At 06:09 PM
> 7/31/03 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> <snipped>
> 
> Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies
> 
> 
> -Tivar Moondragon
> 
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From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  2 21:04:31 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:04:31 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>
Message-ID: <95B92DB4-C567-11D7-94C3-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

Susan the Curious asked about pralines.
> I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them 
> (and are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.
I asked this question on the SCA-Cooks list. The praline as it is 
generally made now is from Louisiana. However, it is a variation on a 
sweet from Europe with several New World ingredients substituted 
because they weren't available in Louisiana. Pecans substituted for 
almonds? for instance. I can't remember the rest of the information 
right now, but I may have place it in this file in the FOOD-SWEETS 
section of the Florilegium:
candy-msg        (188K) 11/16/01    Period candy. Recipes. Candied 
fruit peels.

>  I also found the name of the person they were supposidly named after, 
> http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html
I'm not sure about this site, but on general principles I find such 
claims on commercial sites to be a bit suspect, especially if it adds 
glamour or romance to the item they are selling.
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
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From davidjhughes.tx at netzero.net  Sat Aug  2 21:11:55 2003
From: davidjhughes.tx at netzero.net (David Hughes)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 23:11:55 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>
Message-ID: <3F2C8B8B.5010600@netzero.net>



Susan O'Neal wrote:
> I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them 
> (and are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.  These are 
> one of my favorite things and the ones Kit's friend brought from New 
> Orleans just wern't that good, so I was going to make some.  This 
> started me thinking about the fact that this is one of those things I 
> learned from my mom and was never done with a recipe, you just did it 
> and with whatever of the basic ingredience you had available-meaning 
> I've made them possibly hundreds of different ways.  So I went to search 
> for a recipe and found 10 or so and was struck by how most were things I 
> had done, but all were different.
> 
> I would love to hear how you all do it and what qualities the end result 
> had, my favorite are the thick, creamy ones-but tend to enjoy any of the 
> results.  I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole, 
> which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  I also found the 
> name of the person they were supposidly named after, 
> http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html
> 
> Looking forward to hearing how everyone makes them,
> 
> Susan the Curious
> catmafia at swbell.net
> 
   From various sources

Praline
Etymology: French, from Count Plessis-Praslin died 1675 French soldier
Date: 1723

  Pralines have been a New Orleans tradition since the early 1700s, 
when Louisiana was still a French territory. Legend has it that a 
French military officer, Count Plessis-Praslin, ordered his chef to 
concoct a simple dessert made of sugar and pecans, both prevalent 
locally grown crops.

  C?sar de Choiseul, Count Plessis-Praslin (1598-1675), French soldier 
and diplomat

Out of period, by roughly 30 to 60 years, but still tasty!

David Gallowglass



From twilit16 at swbell.net  Sat Aug  2 23:21:27 2003
From: twilit16 at swbell.net (Twilight16)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 01:21:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] sale at renstore
Message-ID: <00ad01c35987$78b37630$0300a8c0@pavilion>

Greetings one and all,

Thought some of you might like this sale some stuff is up to 50% off.. Renstore.com

Baroness Elayne




From merlainenisaille at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  3 04:57:04 2003
From: merlainenisaille at hotmail.com (Merlaine ni Saille)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 07:57:04 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
Message-ID: <Sea2-F200xJdQdSe9g400012f0e@hotmail.com>

if you pose that question to the "SCAFoodsandFeasts" yahoogroup, I'm more 
than certain that they could find something similar.. 'fer instance: candied 
nuts (not pecans, they're indigenous to the US only), were served during the 
meal.. I can't tell you right now where in the meal it was, but there are 
several who do... I would suggest Master Huen of the Godecookery website.

Maire

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From vscribe at ansteorra.org  Sun Aug  3 07:42:28 2003
From: vscribe at ansteorra.org (Ansteorra Virtual Scribe)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:42:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>
Message-ID: <03c301c359ce$6b994e10$31baee0c@c59303a>

Well, to throw a wrench into the works here .... my mom is from South
America and she has been making this "candy" for many years. I always
thought they were pralines. Look like them, taste like them, I hate the nuts
so she makes them without the nuts just for me but insists that is how the
tradition calls for them to be made. Mom is not one to be argued with. 5
foot tall tornado who is always right .... :)

I will send you the recipe if you like.

Chiara
Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan O'Neal" <catmafia at swbell.net>
To: <Northkeep at ansteorra.org>; <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:41 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question


: I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them (and
: are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.  These are one of my
: favorite things and the ones Kit's friend brought from New Orleans just
: wern't that good, so I was going to make some.  This started me thinking
: about the fact that this is one of those things I learned from my mom and
: was never done with a recipe, you just did it and with whatever of the
: basic ingredience you had available-meaning I've made them possibly
: hundreds of different ways.  So I went to search for a recipe and found 10
: or so and was struck by how most were things I had done, but all were
: different.
:
: I would love to hear how you all do it and what qualities the end result
: had, my favorite are the thick, creamy ones-but tend to enjoy any of the
: results.  I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole,
: which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  I also found the name
: of the person they were supposidly named after,
: http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html
:
: Looking forward to hearing how everyone makes them,
:
: Susan the Curious
: catmafia at swbell.net
:
:
: _______________________________________________
: Ansteorra mailing list
: Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
: http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From mtucker at airmail.net  Sun Aug  3 09:06:41 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:06:41 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
In-Reply-To: <03c301c359ce$6b994e10$31baee0c@c59303a>
Message-ID: <781F71F1-C5CC-11D7-84B9-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Sunday, August 3, 2003, at 09:42  AM, Ansteorra Virtual Scribe wrote:

> Well, to throw a wrench into the works here .... my mom is from South
> America and she has been making this "candy" for many years. I always
> thought they were pralines. ...
>
> Chiara
> Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
>

According to the article which Stefan referred to in his Florilegium 
(which I read last night), there was a traditional Spanish/Catalan 
candy from our period. My completely unfounded guess is that this (or 
something like it; there were lots of variations on the theme, 
according to the article) might have been a source of inspiration for 
whoever developed the Praline. And it might be the ancestor of the 
South American confection which was handed down to your mom. It seems 
logical, anyway.

Yours,
Michael Silverhands



From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Sun Aug  3 10:50:05 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:50:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030803125003.01619360@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 10:39 PM 8/2/03 -0500, you wrote:

(snip)

>> Bryn Gwlad: Their Magnificent Excellencies (hey, I live there; you think I
>> want the Baronial Guard knocking on my door at 3:00 A.M.? <G>)
>>
>> -Tivar Moondragon


>Considering two of the guard live in your house I doubt we'd need to knock
>at 3:00 a.m. ; )
>HL Duncan MacConacher na' Dunheath
>Captain, Baronial Guard
> &
>Tivars Cadet


And that's supposed to reassure me?

	-Tivar Moondragon


From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Sun Aug  3 10:57:45 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:57:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030803125745.016185a8@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 10:41 PM 8/2/03 -0500, you wrote:

>> <snipped>
>> 
>> Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies
>> 
>> -Tivar Moondragon


>> Do I really want to know the story behind this???
>> 
>>    Phelippe (the Wary)


>Tell us a story Uncle Tivar!
>Aerin


It's a pun on bear/bare. Bjornsborg has bears on their arms, the group was
once called "Bear's Fort" (until the name was translated to "Bjornsborg")
and the mundane location is in Bexar (pronounced "bay-are" or "bear")
County, which is the home of the Alamo--the most famous fort in Texas.

(And I probably shouldn't mention what was common dress at Barbarian
Invitational in Bjornsborg, back in the old days. <G>)

	-Tivar Moondragon



From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  3 12:09:03 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:09:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] sale at renstore
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c35987$78b37630$0300a8c0@pavilion>
Message-ID: <20030803190903.11820.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you, excellency.  I used to work for them when I lived in Ax.  Not good to work for in alot of ways, but they are really good to customers.

Twilight16 <twilit16 at swbell.net> wrote:Greetings one and all,

Thought some of you might like this sale some stuff is up to 50% off.. Renstore.com

Baroness Elayne


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From muriel at entelesoft.com  Sun Aug  3 12:30:48 2003
From: muriel at entelesoft.com (muriel@entelesoft.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:30:48 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030731184721.01638af0@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c359f5$be614090$b7026144@kim>

And of course we can't forget....

His Flaming Excellency of Wiesenfeuer.

--Muriel and Donnchadh Beag who can't believe no one mentioned that yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Chris Zakes
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:47 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility


At 06:09 PM 7/31/03 -0500, you wrote:

>"Their Oaken Excellencies" speaks of the stalwart strength of the Oak Tree
>and of Their Excellencies Steppes.
>
>Morgan the Taller


Let's see...

Steppes: Their Downtrodden Excellencies

Stargate: Their Spaced-Out Excellencies

Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies

Bordermarch: Their Borderline Excellencies

Elfsea: Their Fair, but Soggy Excellencies

Eldern Hills: Their Ancient Excellencies

Bonwicke: Their Bonwicked Excellencies

Namron: Their Twisted (or perhaps Blowhard) Excellencies

Ravensfort: Their Flighty Excellencies

Northkeep: Their Distant Excellencies

Bryn Gwlad: Their Magnificent Excellencies (hey, I live there; you think I
want the Baronial Guard knocking on my door at 3:00 A.M.? <G>)

	-Tivar Moondragon
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From uther at lcc.net  Sun Aug  3 12:39:09 2003
From: uther at lcc.net (mike young)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:39:09 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] calendar
Message-ID: <009a01c359f6$e9ac35b0$0100a8c0@theparents>


Last changed: 7/31/03

*PED = Perpetual Event Date

 

August 2003
1?3          Steppes Artisan Competition ? Steppes (Dallas, TX) 

               Midsummer Faire  ? Gates Edge (Houston, TX)

8?10        Lughnasad ? Loch Ruadh (Benbrook/White Settlement, TX)

               Westgate Winter Collegium ? Westgate (Houston, TX)

                (during Pennsic)

15?17      (during Pennsic)

22?24      Artisan of the Flame ? Glaslyn (Denton, TX) 

29?31      Wiesenfeuer Baronial ? Wiesenfeuer  (Oklahoma City, OK) *PED

                Gothic Wars ? Cross Roads Keep (Big Springs, TX)*

1              Monday ? September 1st
 

September 2003
1              Monday ? September 1st
5?7          Battle of the Pines ? Greywood (Lufkin/Nacogdoches TX) 

12?14      A Day at the Coliseum ? Stargate (Houston, Tx)

                 Mooneschadowe Guardian XXIII - Mooneschadowe (Stillwater, OK)

19?21       Defender of the Fort ? RavensFort (Huntsville, TX) *PED

                German Fest ? Brad Leah (Wichita Falls, TX)

26?28      Elfsea Defender ? Elfsea (Ft. Worth, TX) *PED

               Golden Arrow String of Pearls ? Stonebridge Keep (Victoria, Tx)

 

October 2003
3?5          Battle of Three Kings ? Rosenfeld (Tyler, TX) 

10?12      Namron Protectorate ? Namron (Norman , OK) *PED

               Cour d? Amour ? Gates Edge (Houston, Tx)

                Sunday ? Columbus Day
17?19      Heroes ? Bjornsborg (San Antonio, TX) *PED

24?26      Samhain Celebration ? Eldern Hills (Lawton/Ft. Sills, OK) *PED

                Samhain Stew ? Tempio (Temple, TX)

               Seawinds Defender String of Pearls ? Shire of Seawinds (Corpus Christi, Tx)

               Fall Arts Symposium ? Loch Ruadh- ( Ft. Worth, Tx)

 

November 2003
31?2        Crown Tourney ? Dragonsfire Tor  ? (Stephenville, Tx)

                Friday ? Halloween

              January Queen's Champion Bids Due
7?9          Bryn Gwlad Fall Event  ?  Bryn Gwlad (Austin, TX) 

               WinterKingdom ? Northkeep (Tulsa , OK)

14?16      Harvest Dance ? Mendersham (Abilene, TX) 

                Warchieftain/Cavalier of the Bridge ? Middleford (Killeen/Ft Hood/Copperas Cove, TX) 

                Autumn Melees ? Bordermarch (Beaumont, TX) *PED

21?23      Hunter?s Moon ? Emerald Keep (Waco, Tx)

27                Thursday ? Thanksgiving
28?30

 

December 2003
5?7                Dragonsfire Tor Yule Revel ? Dragonsfire Tor (Stephenville, TX) 

               Wiesenfeuer Yule Revel ? (Oklahoma City, OK)

                Ffynnon Gath Yule Revel-(San Marcos, Tx)

12?14      Stargate Yule Revel ? Stargate (Houston, TX) 

               Bonwicke Twelfth Night ? Bonwicke (Lubbock, Tx)

19?21     Tourney of the Golden Hart ? La Marche Sauvage (McAllen, TX)

25                Thursday ? Christmas Day
26?28      

 

January 2004
1                Thursday ? New Year?s Day         
2?4          Steppes 12th Night Court and Feast ? Steppes (Dallas, TX) 

9?11                Coronation ? TBA

16?18      King?s Round Table ? TBA

               May Crown Tourney Bids Due - Southern Region

19           Monday ? Martin Luther King Jr. Day
23?24      Queens Champion ? TBA

30?1                Kingdom A&S ? TBA

 

February 2004
6?8                Candlemas Feast ? Bryn Gwlad (Austin , TX) *PED 

13?15      Border Wars ? Lindenwood (Irving, TX) 

                Un Jour Dans La Vie Bis ? Ravens Fort (Huntsville, TX) 

               Coastal Invasion ? Seawinds (Corpus Christi, TX)

20?22      Tourney of the Black Stag XIII ? La Marche Sauvage (McAllen, TX) 

                War College ? Wiesenfeuer (Oklahoma City, OK)

27?29                Bjornsborg Spring Court ? Bjornsborg (San Antonio, TX)

              

 

 

 



From marccarlson20 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  3 14:29:47 2003
From: marccarlson20 at hotmail.com (Marc Carlson)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:29:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>

>Northkeep: Their Distant Excellencies

"Distant"?

Actually they are extremely approachable...

Marc/Diarmaid

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From kitty at swbell.net  Sun Aug  3 15:17:29 2003
From: kitty at swbell.net (Kitty O'Neal)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine>

> Actually they are extremely approachable...
> 
> Marc/Diarmaid

Unless you live in, say, La Marche Sauvage...

Ekaterina


From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  3 16:32:43 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 18:32:43 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <BAY1-F12BvRnfvcySa40001b444@hotmail.com>

Well they would be there just in case some of the other Baronial Guard came 
to call.

plachoya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra



>
> >Considering two of the guard live in your house I doubt we'd need to 
>knock
> >at 3:00 a.m. ; )
> >HL Duncan MacConacher na' Dunheath
> >Captain, Baronial Guard
> > &
> >Tivars Cadet
>
>
>And that's supposed to reassure me?
>
>	-Tivar Moondragon

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From ggavit at interconnect.net  Sun Aug  3 18:53:52 2003
From: ggavit at interconnect.net (Gail Gavit)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 20:53:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
Message-ID: <002701c35a2b$42054100$9b25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gail Gavit" <ggavit at interconnect.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys


> This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
> Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed a
> dark hour.
> Lady Katherine Brandon
> Seneschal (Acting)
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" <mystikal_dragon_master at juno.com>
> To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
> Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>
>
> > My friends,
> >
> > I have some dreadfull news to give you. My brother David was involved in
> > a serious motorcycle accident in Florida today around 10:45am EDT. The
> > other person did not see David on his bike and supposedly ran him over.
> > >From what I have gotten from my mother and the trauma news at Orlando
> > Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
threatening
> > head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10 this
> > evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
> > should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
> >
> >
> > Russ aka Drake(SCA)
> >
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From steldr at cox.net  Mon Aug  4 06:37:32 2003
From: steldr at cox.net (Mercedes/Stephanie)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:37:32 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>
	<001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine>
Message-ID: <00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>

Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I prefer
Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.

Mercedes
Baroness of Northkeep

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kitty O'Neal" <kitty at swbell.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] re: Epithets for Landed Nobility


> Actually they are extremely approachable...
>
> Marc/Diarmaid

Unless you live in, say, La Marche Sauvage...

Ekaterina
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From russ at randomgang.com  Mon Aug  4 06:51:26 2003
From: russ at randomgang.com (Chandranath)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 08:51:26 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>
	<001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine>
	<00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>
Message-ID: <183439125.1059987086@[192.168.39.2]>



--On Monday, August 04, 2003 8:37 AM -0500 "Mercedes/Stephanie" 
<steldr at cox.net> wrote:

> Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
> they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I
> prefer Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.

I think of you as Their Well-Fortified Excellencies, you know.

Chandra

-- 
Lord Chandranath <russ{at}randomgang.com>
"Per pale sable and gules, a decrescent argent."
mka Russ Smith (http://www.randomgang.com/~russ/)


From steldr at cox.net  Mon Aug  4 07:17:45 2003
From: steldr at cox.net (Mercedes/Stephanie)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:17:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com><001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine><00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>
	<183439125.1059987086@[192.168.39.2]>
Message-ID: <015901c35a93$2cfe46e0$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>

Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I like that!!!!

Mercedes

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chandranath" <russ at randomgang.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] re: Epithets for Landed Nobility




--On Monday, August 04, 2003 8:37 AM -0500 "Mercedes/Stephanie" 
<steldr at cox.net> wrote:

> Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
> they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I
> prefer Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.

I think of you as Their Well-Fortified Excellencies, you know.

Chandra

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From gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu  Mon Aug  4 07:47:33 2003
From: gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Gail Taylor)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:47:33 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
References: <002701c35a2b$42054100$9b25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>
Message-ID: <3F2E7205.4020300@lonestar.utsa.edu>

Is Lawrence the Rampant, David?  Was he injured?  Or another brother?

Isobel

Gail Gavit wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Gail Gavit" <ggavit at interconnect.net>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
>Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>
>
>  
>
>>This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
>>Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed a
>>dark hour.
>>Lady Katherine Brandon
>>Seneschal (Acting)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" <mystikal_dragon_master at juno.com>
>>To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
>>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>My friends,
>>>
>>>I have some dreadfull news to give you. My brother David was involved in
>>>a serious motorcycle accident in Florida today around 10:45am EDT. The
>>>other person did not see David on his bike and supposedly ran him over.
>>>>From what I have gotten from my mother and the trauma news at Orlando
>>>Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
>>>      
>>>
>threatening
>  
>
>>>head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10 this
>>>evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
>>>should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
>>>
>>>
>>>Russ aka Drake(SCA)
>>>
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From morgancain at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  4 08:33:18 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:33:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] WordFame to Teens
Message-ID: <00a201c35a9d$c12b1fa0$ae051e43@homeseries>

I want to commend a lot of our children and teens who helped out, even in small ways, at Steppes Artisan this weekend.  Lady Donnel already told how her children helped, all Friday evening and for setup and tear-down on Saturday, and I second her on all the effort they gave.  Richard and Emily were not the only ones helping; she's just better at remembering her children's names than I am at remembering those of all whom I spotted helping.  There were no organized children's activities, but they made their own fun, in the hall and in the playlot and around the legal areas of site.  I saw many children and teens helping in various ways - waterbearing (Lady Gerita told me the only responder to her request for assistance was a young boy); managing a list table; fetching and carrying; older looking after smaller (through MANY swings in the playyard); helping to roll hoses and otherwise assist in breakdown on the field; folding banners (with just a little instruction); and when I appeared on the deck with a trashbag in hand in the evening I was almost instantly confronted with a line of teens with empty bottles and other trash, so that the desk was cleared in about a minute.

I didn't get all the names, for which I am very sorry.  Who thinks to carry a notepad to pick up trash?  There were "the usual suspects" and some new faces as well.  Several of them asked me questions about why things were so for the event, always politely, and their conversations were always within acceptable boundaries of politeness and volume.  For all that we read in the papers about how teens cause trouble, about children running wild, I didn't see it at Steppes Artisan.  (OK, there was the early lineup at the supper buffet, but that hardly counts.)  Remember, these are our future, and I think we can be proud.

VIVANT!

                            ---= Morgan the Short Twin

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From prand at swbell.net  Mon Aug  4 08:37:41 2003
From: prand at swbell.net (Patty)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:37:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
In-Reply-To: <3F2E7205.4020300@lonestar.utsa.edu>
Message-ID: <20030804153741.7535.qmail@web80203.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes it is Lawrence who is injured.  We do not have many details except what his brother sent.  He is supposedly stable but that is all we know.  Kim arrived last night, hopefully we will get more news soon. Please keep Lawrence and his family in your prayers.
 
Catriona

Gail Taylor <gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> wrote:
Is Lawrence the Rampant, David? Was he injured? Or another brother?

Isobel

Gail Gavit wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Gail Gavit" 
>To: 
>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
>Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>
>
> 
>
>>This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
>>Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed a
>>dark hour.
>>Lady Katherine Brandon
>>Seneschal (Acting)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" 
>>To: 
>>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
>>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>>My friends,
>>>
>>>I have some dreadfull news to give you. My brother David was involved in
>>>a serious motorcycle accident in Florida today around 10:45am EDT. The
>>>other person did not see David on his bike and supposedly ran him over.
>>>>From what I have gotten from my mother and the trauma news at Orlando
>>>Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
>>> 
>>>
>threatening
> 
>
>>>head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10 this
>>>evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
>>>should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
>>>
>>>
>>>Russ aka Drake(SCA)
>>>
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From Medicfem at aol.com  Mon Aug  4 08:43:42 2003
From: Medicfem at aol.com (Medicfem@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:43:42 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
Message-ID: <aa.2099d14e.2c5fd92e@aol.com>

It is David. Centurion lawrence. seawinds seneshal. shire guard captain, 
order of the falcon, squire times two.

all is still in limbo right now. kim and his mom are there. send lots of 
prayers their way.

a very sad seawinder and friend,

caley


From sharon at polkawitch.com  Mon Aug  4 09:14:43 2003
From: sharon at polkawitch.com (sharon)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:14:43 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
References: <aa.2099d14e.2c5fd92e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101c35aa3$867046a0$f9bc6620@SharonLaptop>

i just got this news. I am very sad to hear this.
I pray very hard for his recovery.  If anyone can get Kim word, pls let her
know that my thoughts are with them.

Vivaine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Medicfem at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys


> It is David. Centurion lawrence. seawinds seneshal. shire guard captain,
> order of the falcon, squire times two.
>
> all is still in limbo right now. kim and his mom are there. send lots of
> prayers their way.
>
> a very sad seawinder and friend,
>
> caley
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From born2bonstage at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  4 10:07:35 2003
From: born2bonstage at yahoo.com (Little Dancer)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:07:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] My prayers are with you...
Message-ID: <20030804170735.22398.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com>

My prayers are with you...
 
The Gypsy Brenna O'dempsy


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From hillaryrg at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  4 10:42:27 2003
From: hillaryrg at yahoo.com (Hillary Greenslade)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:42:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline Question
Message-ID: <20030804174228.41910.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>

<<I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole, 
which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  >>

I grew up in south Texas; and they are found in every Mexican food
restaurant everywhere.  I would never have considered them a French
confectionary, but rather from Spain or Castille, as the Florilegium
suggests. As Spain and France are border neighbors, possible culture
exchange in foods occurred.   

Since the recipe's simple, it's not inconcievable that it was found in
several cultures (Spain, France, native Indians of the Americas), and time
has 'standardized' the name and current form.   I prefer pralines
hard/crunchy, not soft/chewy. 

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From marccarlson20 at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  4 10:54:02 2003
From: marccarlson20 at hotmail.com (Marc Carlson)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 12:54:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re: Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <Law9-F59q9LwLLbeI8K0002a956@hotmail.com>

--On Monday, Chandra wrote:
>>Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
>>they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I
>>prefer Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.
>I think of you as Their Well-Fortified Excellencies, you know.

15 essential minerals and vitamins added in...

(And Kitty, my point wsa that traveling distance is releative -- they are 
just as distant from the folks down in la Marche Sauvage as the folks down 
in La Marche Sauvage are from us.  And to consider them "their Distant 
Excellencies" perpetuates the belief that it's just too far to travel to 
come and visit us up here, when there are members of our populace (and of 
Mooneschadowes, and the rest) who are willing to suck it up to travel to the 
distant lands to the south.  Not me mind you, but other people - like Their 
Excellencies.

Which might make them "Their willing-to-travel-regularly Excellencies" 
although I can see that this might be a little long for this particular 
project.

Marc/Diarmaid

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From swieland at direcway.com  Mon Aug  4 11:21:24 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:21:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline Question
In-Reply-To: <20030804174228.41910.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030804132022.00a1b540@pop3.direcway.com>

At 10:42 AM 8/4/03 -0700, you wrote:


>Since the recipe's simple, it's not inconcievable that it was found in
>several cultures (Spain, France, native Indians of the Americas), and time
>has 'standardized' the name and current form.   I prefer pralines
>hard/crunchy, not soft/chewy.
>
>Hillary

I just like 'em all. :-)

Damaris





From holland.cooley at us.army.mil  Mon Aug  4 11:11:36 2003
From: holland.cooley at us.army.mil (holland.cooley@us.army.mil)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:11:36 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Bardic Winner
Message-ID: <625e9ad62626be.62626be625e9ad@us.army.mil>

Greetings, I am trying to contact the winner of the Bardic event held at the Shire of Tempio's spring event. Any help would be greatly appreciated


Lord Alasdair Mac Roibeirt



From ggavit at interconnect.net  Mon Aug  4 12:12:03 2003
From: ggavit at interconnect.net (Gail Gavit)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:12:03 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
References: <002701c35a2b$42054100$9b25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>
	<3F2E7205.4020300@lonestar.utsa.edu>
Message-ID: <000d01c35abc$4ab87560$9c25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>

Yes, Lawrence the Rampant is David Ruiz. Yes, he was seriously injured. His
brother is th one who posted this message to the Seawinds list.
Katherine Brandon
Seneschal, Shire of Seawinds


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gail Taylor" <gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys


> Is Lawrence the Rampant, David?  Was he injured?  Or another brother?
>
> Isobel
>
> Gail Gavit wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Gail Gavit" <ggavit at interconnect.net>
> >To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
> >Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
> >>Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed
a
> >>dark hour.
> >>Lady Katherine Brandon
> >>Seneschal (Acting)
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" <mystikal_dragon_master at juno.com>
> >>To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
> >>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
> >>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>My friends,
> >>>
> >>>I have some dreadfull news to give you. My brother David was involved
in
> >>>a serious motorcycle accident in Florida today around 10:45am EDT. The
> >>>other person did not see David on his bike and supposedly ran him over.
> >>>>From what I have gotten from my mother and the trauma news at Orlando
> >>>Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
> >>>
> >>>
> >threatening
> >
> >
> >>>head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10
this
> >>>evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
> >>>should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Russ aka Drake(SCA)
> >>>
> >>>________________________________________________________________
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From morgancain at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  4 13:05:33 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:05:33 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Remaining Items - Lost & Found - Steppes
	Artisan/Champion/Archery
Message-ID: <012f01c35ac3$cf277ce0$ae051e43@homeseries>

Many of the items left behind have already been claimed.  The following still need owners:

1)    Arrow, blue and red fletching.

5)    Gorget.

7)    Red and gold rapier hood.

9)    Blue bag with gold straps and harp with Ansteorran star painted on the
front - please ID contents to collect.


The first three were gleaned off the field when it was cleared in the afternoon, the fourth was found in the hall during clean-up.  If you believe some item is yours, please contact me at morgancain at earthlink.net.  We have people going to Lughnasad next weekend and can deliver the items there, as well as going to Pennsic.  Not sure if anybody is going to Westgate (not)Winter Collegium, but can check.  If these don't work, we'll figure out something.

                                    ---= Morgan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea,
 never regains its original dimensions."
                                 ---= Oliver Wendell Holmes
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)



From bronwen at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug  4 19:30:27 2003
From: bronwen at austin.rr.com (Bronwen Fraseir)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:30:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant
Message-ID: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>

It is with great sadness that I impart the following news.  HL Centurion Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, squire to Sir Kief av Kiersted and Equis Romanius Scipio Vesperanius; MKA Lawrence David Ruiz left his body this morning at 3:45 am in Cocoa, Florida in the company of his wife and mother.

At this time his body is being sustained on life support and recipients have been found for his heart and liver.  The rest of his organs are being tested and recipients are being sought.

The result of his death was a severe head trauma due to a motorcycle accident early Sunday morning.  Kim asks that everyone respect her privacy and not call or e-mail until further notified while she grieves the passing of her husband and attends to business.  

There will be memorial services to be announced at a later date and she asks that no flowers be sent as a charity will be named in lieu of flowers and gifts.

Please keep Lawrence's family in your thoughts and prayers while they cope with this difficult time.

Bronwen Fraseir
DeAnn Ewing



From plsampson at hotpop.com  Mon Aug  4 22:09:12 2003
From: plsampson at hotpop.com (Penny Sampson)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:09:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant
In-Reply-To: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>
References: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>
Message-ID: <20030805000429.3A47.PLSAMPSON@hotpop.com>

I dont remember if we got the pleasure of meeting Lawrence the Rampant,
but our sympathys are with our friends from Seawinds and the family of
Laurence. 
God bless you all, and your all in our prayers as you go through this
tough time. 

Penny and Dale Sampson (Stone Bridge Keep)




From cyranobcc at netzero.net  Tue Aug  5 01:44:20 2003
From: cyranobcc at netzero.net (cyranobcc)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 03:44:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Academy of the Rapier
Message-ID: <01e301c35b2d$c5977800$c2884a43@pcname>

Greetings All!

The website for this year's Academy of the Rapier is now available at:

http://gatesedge.ansteorra.org/files/aor.htm

Look forward to seeing all there.

Ld Brian





From morgancain at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  5 06:15:29 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:15:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] One more Found item - Artisan
Message-ID: <010001c35b53$aaf37140$d4a31e43@homeseries>

While I was sorting out the box of Lost & Found items to take to Steppes Business Meeting tonight, I found one item that I overlooked before - a small pendant of a Celtic cross, a little over an inch long.  It is flat on the reverse, so was cast.

Let me know if this is yours, and it will be returned.

                                            ---= Morgan


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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 never regains its original dimensions."
                                 ---= Oliver Wendell Holmes
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)



From dragonetti at generich.com  Tue Aug  5 09:45:47 2003
From: dragonetti at generich.com (Armand Dragonetti)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:45:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant
References: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>
Message-ID: <00b501c35b71$05a901a0$34bafea9@Prowler>

Many of us know names. Many of us know faces. Some of us know the names and
faces. I've known a man by name, face and deed; with the heart of a lion;
near knighthood; and truly a knight in my mind already.
My squire brother and friend,
HL Centurion Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle.
http://www.generich.com/elfsea/steppeswarlord02/sw02-31.jpg

It pains me to say goodbye. You will be sorely missed, but never forgotten.

Armand Dragonetti

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bronwen Fraseir" <bronwen at austin.rr.com>
To: <Ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Cc: <Ansteorra-Squires at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:30 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant


It is with great sadness that I impart the following news.  HL Centurion
Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, squire to Sir Kief av Kiersted and Equis
Romanius Scipio Vesperanius; MKA Lawrence David Ruiz left his body this
morning at 3:45 am in Cocoa, Florida in the company of his wife and mother.

At this time his body is being sustained on life support and recipients have
been found for his heart and liver.  The rest of his organs are being tested
and recipients are being sought.

The result of his death was a severe head trauma due to a motorcycle
accident early Sunday morning.  Kim asks that everyone respect her privacy
and not call or e-mail until further notified while she grieves the passing
of her husband and attends to business.

There will be memorial services to be announced at a later date and she asks
that no flowers be sent as a charity will be named in lieu of flowers and
gifts.

Please keep Lawrence's family in your thoughts and prayers while they cope
with this difficult time.

Bronwen Fraseir
DeAnn Ewing

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From gam at door.net  Tue Aug  5 15:15:40 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:15:40 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Pity Party
Message-ID: <000e01c35b9f$1c9a2e60$6701a8c0@anns>

Greetings Good People,

Bonwicke's Pennsic Pity Paty is just days away are you ready?

I have a sorta schedule for anyone interested.  NOTHING is set in stone and very subject to change.  

Friday if you want to show up  beware we may not be at the house until 5ish.  Just call 806-787-8007 that would be my cell I will be in town taking care of mundane stuff.

Saturday 
Get up around 7ish my kids will make sure of that whether we want them to or not. 

After that we will do stuff.  Breakfast, food is always high on the list of things to do.  If you want to bring stuff to cook we will.  
Then if the Rapiers wish to get started before it gets to hot lets do.  Prize will be a fighters cloak made with your colors.  
After that we will relax the day away with stories and songs, arts and sciences.  Her Excellency will field questions on scrolls and other subjects.  And if you have a arts question or project please bring it and we will do the best to answer questions or provide projects for persons to do.  Idle hand leds to mischief I have been told.  Don't forget there is a bardic of No ******* there I was for the day story.

Then when it starts to cool off again, we will start the heavy tourney.  The prize will be a pair of steel half gauntlets.

Food will be served sometime.  Yes it will.  I have a brisket and a turkey that will be served, do not forget to bring a pot luck for the feast.  

If you have anything you wish to see done or do at the PPP please let me know.

May you have a safe journey in your travels be it Pennsic or the Barony of Bonwicke's Pennsic Pity Party

Anastasiya

Directions
>From points East and South. Make your way to I-27 head north past the airport. Take exit 11 (FM 1294) heading west. approximately 10 miles you will come to a gently curve. There will be a crossroad there turn right. You are now on FM 2528. The site is the 7th house. Sign will be posted. 

Points North coming down I-27 please take exit 11 and follow previous instruction.

Points West if coming from Brownfield take loop to North Frankford (FM 2528) go past the Walmart and then on to Clovis Hwy (84). Go across railroad tracks, you will come to a stop sign approximately 6 miles continue there that until you come to the 7th house. Signs will be posted.

If coming from Clovis, take the first stop light left across railroad tracks and follow previous instructions.

If you get lost call 806-741-1828 or 806-787-8007



PS did I finally make it to the western regional list. Please say yes.

Anastasiya


From bronwen at austin.rr.com  Tue Aug  5 22:25:10 2003
From: bronwen at austin.rr.com (Bronwen Fraseir)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:25:10 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lawrence's Last Gift
Message-ID: <003301c35bdb$1b9d87a0$6501a8c0@Emerald>

Lawrence's wife Kim (Muirin) wanted all to know that she is happy to announce that for her birthday, 8/5/03, her last gift from her husband was the donation of his organs to several recipients.

Lawrence was an organ donor and recipients were found for all of his major organs.  There are several people who will live longer, healthier lives thanks to this gift.

Bronwen Fraseir
DeAnn Ewing

From Reihla at aol.com  Wed Aug  6 09:46:43 2003
From: Reihla at aol.com (Reihla@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:46:43 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lawrence's Last Gift
Message-ID: <1a4.18319df4.2c628af3@aol.com>

> Lawrence was an organ donor and recipients were found for all of 
> his major organs.  There are several people who will live longer, 
> healthier lives thanks to this gift.

Though he was my brother Centurion I didn't know Lawrence well because we 
lived so far apart.  However, many are the tales I heard of his fighting prowess 
and battlefield heroism.  Thank you for telling us of his last gift.  It is a 
story truly worthy of an Ansteorran hero.  In my mind Lawrence will join the 
list of people I remember whenever I hear the phrase "because that's what 
heroes do."  

- Cts. Kat, CSS


From hillaryrg at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  6 12:19:59 2003
From: hillaryrg at yahoo.com (Hillary Greenslade)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:19:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
Message-ID: <20030806191959.80678.qmail@web12809.mail.yahoo.com>

Pulled from another list, for those with cable.  
Enjoy, Hillary 


Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
It must have been one of his last projects, it's
dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.

Looks like some members of Britannia and other
English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
hillfort recreations and shots.

Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
recreations, with actors and reenactors.
I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.

It has some interesting side bits - like
the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.

A video and CD of the program is available from
the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
http://tlc.discovery.com/


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From cellach at breezykilt.com  Wed Aug  6 13:12:02 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:12:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
References: <20030806191959.80678.qmail@web12809.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <02a801c35c56$ffda1110$1208a8c0@bobby>

I watched this last night.  It wasn't riveting entertainment, although, it
was certainly worth watching.  I recommend it.

Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hillary Greenslade" <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:19 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite


> Pulled from another list, for those with cable.
> Enjoy, Hillary
>
>
> Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
> Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
> King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
> The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
> It must have been one of his last projects, it's
> dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.
>
> Looks like some members of Britannia and other
> English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
> but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
> of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
> hillfort recreations and shots.
>
> Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
> recreations, with actors and reenactors.
> I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
> The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
> is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
> Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.
>
> It has some interesting side bits - like
> the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
> cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
> in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
> stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
> fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
> the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
> the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
> removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
> Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
> but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.
>
> A video and CD of the program is available from
> the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
> when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
> http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
> Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
> http://tlc.discovery.com/
>
>
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From baroness_maleah at cox.net  Wed Aug  6 20:38:05 2003
From: baroness_maleah at cox.net (Maleah)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:38:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
Message-ID: <005501c35c95$50221800$6400a8c0@banshee>

I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir Gunthar. If someone has that
info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,
Maleah
Baroness of Namron



From sarapenrose at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  7 07:06:05 2003
From: sarapenrose at yahoo.com (Kimberly Koch)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
In-Reply-To: <005501c35c95$50221800$6400a8c0@banshee>
Message-ID: <20030807140605.12347.qmail@web12707.mail.yahoo.com>

Answered privately.

--- Maleah <baroness_maleah at cox.net> wrote:
> I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir
> Gunthar. If someone has that
> info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly
> appreciate it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Maleah
> Baroness of Namron
> 
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From macpob1 at airmail.net  Thu Aug  7 08:05:22 2003
From: macpob1 at airmail.net (Martha A. Compton)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Oops! Another Steppes Artisan Thanks
Message-ID: <20030807100522.B8947@stardock.pug.net>

Due to post-event craziness I neglected to thank our gracious Central
Regional Scribe, H.L. Ceinwen ferch Rhuel , for hand delivering blank
scrolls to us for the charter painting table.  I apologize for the
oversight and send her the grateful thanks of the entire Steppes scribal
community.

H.L. Muireann
Principal, Steppes Calligraphers & Illuminators Guild
--
Alis volat propriis - She flies with her own wings.


From Charley at lcc.net  Thu Aug  7 08:05:42 2003
From: Charley at lcc.net (Charley Atchley)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:42 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
Message-ID: <20030807100542.C8947@stardock.pug.net>

Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning. 

http://www.msnusers.com/AdamickFamily

Athaulf


From lg_photo at texas.net  Thu Aug  7 15:24:29 2003
From: lg_photo at texas.net (Alice Morrow Harris)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:24:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
References: <20030807100542.C8947@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <3F32D19E.948AB82B@texas.net>



Charley Atchley wrote:

> Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning.
>

Greetings From Alina:

Congratulations on your new baby son. Wishing your wife a speedy recuperation after the surgery to delivery of your precious one.

Wishing You And Your Wife Many Wonderful Times With Your Son,
Alina



From smithfamily at paxway.com  Thu Aug  7 18:02:33 2003
From: smithfamily at paxway.com (Tom & Kim Smith)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:02:33 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Feast still available
Message-ID: <009101c35d48$c11122a0$cf864a43@Eadgar>

Feast for the Westgate Winter Collegium event this weekend Saturday August 9 are still available, come one, come all !

Feast will be sold at the door on a first come first served basis, no more reservations taken as of today.

The menu is: 
french bread, butter, white bean soup flavored with thyme, bacon and green onion sprinkles
roast pork loin with pan reduction sauce, glazed carrots
"boerf" bourginion, green vegetables in season, rice
peach pie
lemonade


From gam at door.net  Thu Aug  7 15:31:31 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:31:31 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] PPP
Message-ID: <002601c35d33$a72d8780$6701a8c0@anns>

The day is set and arrangements have been made are you prepared to travel to War or do you just need some friends to share your pity of not being able to attend Pennsic.  Then do as you must.  Just remember Bonwicke has prepared to help you with your pity.

Just us this weekend if you have no where else to turn.  

Have a safe trip when you travel this weekend.  

With warm thoughts 

Anastasiya

From SiobhanON at aol.com  Fri Aug  8 07:18:27 2003
From: SiobhanON at aol.com (SiobhanON@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:18:27 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Chirurgeons/Elfsea Defender
Message-ID: <6.1689d69a.2c650b33@aol.com>

Greetings,
    I will be Chirurgeon in Charge at Elfsea's 25th Defender. I need 
volunteers to work shifts. We will be having all manner of competition, including 
Equestrian, so we can not have too many chirurgeons. Please contact me privately, 
or on the list, if you are interested in working a shift or apprenticing. Let 
me know the hours you will be available and I will work up a schedule. 
Many thanks.
Siobhan


From caladin at io.com  Fri Aug  8 12:22:10 2003
From: caladin at io.com (caladin)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:22:10 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lughnasad Chiv tourney question...
References: <200308071700.h77H05A04348@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <002001c35de2$5d487e90$ca02e00a@austin.mgam>


Anyone know the format of the Lughnasaad Chivalric tourney this weekend?

I'd like to know what to pack, stick wise.

Thanks!

Caladin-


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>    1. Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
>       (Hillary Greenslade)
>    2. Re: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
>       (Cellach Ferguson)
>    3. ISO Count Gunthar (Maleah)
>    4. Re: ISO Count Gunthar (Kimberly Koch)
>    5. Oops! Another Steppes Artisan Thanks (Martha A. Compton)
>    6. A new birth (Charley Atchley)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:19:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Hillary Greenslade <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs
> Nite
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <20030806191959.80678.qmail at web12809.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Pulled from another list, for those with cable.
> Enjoy, Hillary
>
>
> Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
> Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
> King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
> The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
> It must have been one of his last projects, it's
> dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.
>
> Looks like some members of Britannia and other
> English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
> but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
> of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
> hillfort recreations and shots.
>
> Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
> recreations, with actors and reenactors.
> I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
> The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
> is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
> Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.
>
> It has some interesting side bits - like
> the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
> cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
> in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
> stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
> fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
> the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
> the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
> removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
> Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
> but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.
>
> A video and CD of the program is available from
> the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
> when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
> http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
> Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
> http://tlc.discovery.com/
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:12:02 -0500
> From: "Cellach Ferguson" <cellach at breezykilt.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program
> Thurs Nite
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <02a801c35c56$ffda1110$1208a8c0 at bobby>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I watched this last night.  It wasn't riveting entertainment, although, it
> was certainly worth watching.  I recommend it.
>
> Cellach Ferguson
> Alba Gu Brath!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hillary Greenslade" <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:19 PM
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs
Nite
>
>
> > Pulled from another list, for those with cable.
> > Enjoy, Hillary
> >
> >
> > Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
> > Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
> > King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
> > The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
> > It must have been one of his last projects, it's
> > dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.
> >
> > Looks like some members of Britannia and other
> > English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
> > but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
> > of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
> > hillfort recreations and shots.
> >
> > Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
> > recreations, with actors and reenactors.
> > I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
> > The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
> > is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
> > Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.
> >
> > It has some interesting side bits - like
> > the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
> > cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
> > in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
> > stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
> > fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
> > the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
> > the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
> > removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
> > Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
> > but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.
> >
> > A video and CD of the program is available from
> > the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
> > when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
> > http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
> > Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
> > http://tlc.discovery.com/
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:38:05 -0500
> From: "Maleah" <baroness_maleah at cox.net>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
> To: "Ansteorra" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <005501c35c95$50221800$6400a8c0 at banshee>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir Gunthar. If someone has
that
> info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
> Maleah
> Baroness of Namron
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kimberly Koch <sarapenrose at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <20030807140605.12347.qmail at web12707.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Answered privately.
>
> --- Maleah <baroness_maleah at cox.net> wrote:
> > I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir
> > Gunthar. If someone has that
> > info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly
> > appreciate it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Maleah
> > Baroness of Namron
> >
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> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:22 -0500
> From: "Martha A. Compton" <macpob1 at airmail.net>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Oops! Another Steppes Artisan Thanks
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <20030807100522.B8947 at stardock.pug.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Due to post-event craziness I neglected to thank our gracious Central
> Regional Scribe, H.L. Ceinwen ferch Rhuel , for hand delivering blank
> scrolls to us for the charter painting table.  I apologize for the
> oversight and send her the grateful thanks of the entire Steppes scribal
> community.
>
> H.L. Muireann
> Principal, Steppes Calligraphers & Illuminators Guild
> --
> Alis volat propriis - She flies with her own wings.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:42 -0500
> From: Charley Atchley <Charley at lcc.net>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <20030807100542.C8947 at stardock.pug.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda
Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a
new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning.
>
> http://www.msnusers.com/AdamickFamily
>
> Athaulf
>
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From Patrickandjulia at aol.com  Fri Aug  8 16:45:03 2003
From: Patrickandjulia at aol.com (Patrickandjulia@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:45:03 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Another Loss
Message-ID: <41.325cbba9.2c658fff@aol.com>

We would like to share the news of the passing of Baroness Pashley's husband 
this morning.  While he did not participate in our Society as his Ladywife, he 
supported her faithfully in her endeavors to make the SCA a place for Heroes.

Patrick & Julia


From fairbourne at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  9 06:02:22 2003
From: fairbourne at sbcglobal.net (Nolen Dale)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:02:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Another Loss
In-Reply-To: <41.325cbba9.2c658fff@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001001c35e76$79902eb0$8e5f8f42@nolandal>

Paishley you and yours are in my thoughts.
Richard Fairbourne


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Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 6:45 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Another Loss


We would like to share the news of the passing of Baroness Pashley's husband
this morning.  While he did not participate in our Society as his Ladywife,
he
supported her faithfully in her endeavors to make the SCA a place for
Heroes.

Patrick & Julia
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From MikaelaOfWestgate at ev1.net  Sat Aug  9 23:20:32 2003
From: MikaelaOfWestgate at ev1.net (Mikaela de Sevilla)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:20:32 +1000
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
References: <20030807100542.C8947@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <002001c35f07$8128cb50$0200000a@caspar>

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

I had a look at your pictures and I enjoyed them so much.  You not only have
a beautiful boy but a very lovely family as well.  I got all teary eyed,
especially since I am looking forward to the rest of my family too.
Hopefully the pictures of my babys birth will be as clear as your and I can
post them too.

So very grateful to be able to see a part of your family,
and counting down my last few weeks.

Mikaela de Sevilla
Living in the land down under.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charley Atchley" <Charley at lcc.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:05 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth


> Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda
Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a
new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning.
>
> http://www.msnusers.com/AdamickFamily
>
> Athaulf



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Sun Aug 10 15:46:18 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:46:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lughnasad
References: <009a01c359f6$e9ac35b0$0100a8c0@theparents>
Message-ID: <000701c35f91$3888ec60$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

For those of us who coudn't go what happen?  Who got awards, etc.??

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.


From gam at door.net  Sun Aug 10 13:35:09 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:35:09 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Pity Party
Message-ID: <003101c35f7e$e4be4a60$6701a8c0@anns>

Greetings,

I wanted to thank all that journeyed to Our lands and showed your support.  I hope you all had a wonderful time, and We hope to see you all once again to enjoy your company.  

Anastasiya

From catmafia at swbell.net  Mon Aug 11 06:47:28 2003
From: catmafia at swbell.net (Susan O'Neal)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:47:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Address change
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030811083156.0388cb58@postoffice.swbell.net>

I hope we will be up by Wednesday night, but the new address is to be 
catmafia at cablelynx.com.  My backup is catmafia03 at yahoo.com

Lady Susan the Curious
Northkeep






From muirin at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 11 14:14:07 2003
From: muirin at hotmail.com (Kimberly Keplar)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:14:07 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for Kief and Lorraine
Message-ID: <BAY9-F63Ay4MoSn03t30002e783@hotmail.com>


Would either Sir Kief or Lorraine contact me off list?  If you will email me 
a phone number I would gladly call either or both of you, the information i 
have is out of date.

Thank you,

Muirin

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From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Mon Aug 11 15:05:53 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:05:53 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: [NR] re: sales tax
Message-ID: <JJNMLPIPKNBJMGAA@mailcity.com>

That's a relief.  I could just hear all the interesting language involved.  ;-)

Nell
--

--------- Original Message ---------

DATE: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:48:44
From: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
To: "'nellwynn0 at lycos.com'" <nellwynn0 at lycos.com>, "'Northern Region of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.'" <northern at ansteorra.org>
Cc: 

>As a 501(c)(3) entity, the SCA is exempt from sales tax on sales of food to
>or by the organization as per 68 O.S. 2001, Section 1357.11.  
>
>Since I do a lot of feasts, I learned this one a number of years ago.  It is
>amended every year, usually by transfering it into the new section of law.
>
>Bear
>
>> My daughter-in-law had a horrid thought a couple of days ago. 
>>  Are we going to have to start charging tax on feast?  It 
>> says that tax is due on, and I quote,
>> 
>> 710:65-19-40. Caterers 
>> 
>> Nell
> 
>



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From robintheacquirer_2000 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 12 10:51:28 2003
From: robintheacquirer_2000 at hotmail.com (Chris Andrews)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:51:28 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] In search of 
Message-ID: <BAY1-F47KAC4jRWBGQ80000ade0@hotmail.com>

Could anyone who lives in the greater Midland / Odessa area please contact 
me,

In Service,
Lachlan of An Tir

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From padraig_ruad at irishbard.org  Wed Aug 13 11:11:16 2003
From: padraig_ruad at irishbard.org (Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:11:16 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: Lughnasad Lost and Found
Message-ID: <000101c361c9$03624b00$fd96fea9@computer>

My apologies if you receive this multiple times.  It was posted to
Ansteorra-Announce on Monday but so far has failed to come through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain" <padraig_ruad at irishbard.org>
To: <ansteorra-announce at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:05 PM
Subject: Lughnasad Lost and Found


> The following is a list of items found by the Lughnasad tear-down crew:
>
> 5 Chairs (collapsible, metal frames with cloth seats/backs)
> 1 10'x10' tarp
> 1 rattan mace
> 1 Zippo lighter
> 1 small folding multi-purpose tool
> 1 small brass bell
> 1 man's ring
> 1 child's ring
>
> If any of these items belong to you, please email me privately at
> padraig_ruad at irishbard.org, including a description of the item, and I
will
> make arrangements to have it returned it to you.
>
> In Service,
> Padr?ig Ruad ? Maolag?in
> Lughnasad Autocrat
> -------------------------------
> Nunc est bibendum
> ***********************
> ***********************
> Politicians prefer unarmed peasants.
>



From padraig_ruad at irishbard.org  Wed Aug 13 11:10:07 2003
From: padraig_ruad at irishbard.org (Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:10:07 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: Lughnasad Awards and Titled Bard
Message-ID: <000001c361c9$02ba7240$fd96fea9@computer>

My apologies if you receive this multiple times.  It was posted to
Ansteorra-Announce on Monday but so far has failed to come through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain" <padraig_ruad at irishbard.org>
To: <ansteorra-announce at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 8:14 PM
Subject: Lughnasad Awards and Titled Bard


> My thanks to everyone who attended Loch Ruadh's Lughnasad celebration this
> past weekend.  You helped to make our event a great success, and I hope
that
> you all enjoyed it at least as much as I did.  While the weather wasn't as
> cool as I would have liked, at least we had cloud cover and breezes
> throughout the day on Saturday, and the storms that pounded the Metroplex
> thankfully bypassed us.
>
> My individual thank you list will follow in a separate missive - it is
> extensive, and I want to try to list everyone.
>
> As Court Herald, it is my pleasure to announce that the following awards
> were given:
>
> Connal Mac an Ghabhann - Sable Thistle, Brewing
> Magdalea Mac an Ghabhann - Sable Thistle, Brewing
> Daniel the Younger - Rising Star of Ansteorra
> Brighid MacFergus - Award of Arms
> Rolf Sewardson - Sable Comet, Loch Ruadh
> Dohmnall Dubh O'Ruairc - Sable Comet, Loch Ruadh
> Tangwystl verch Maredudd - Portcullis of Elfsea
> Madelina de Lindesay - Portcullis of Elfsea
>
> And it is my honor to announce the new Titled Bard of Loch Ruadh:
> Grimvere Longtooth,
> holder of the Scarlet Cloak, the crooked staff and the silver harp pendant
> for the next year.
>
> It was a hotly contested competition, and every piece performed was
> praiseworthy.  Many thanks to all the competing bards, and also to Lord
and
> Lady Loch Ruadh, and my predecessor in the title, Elanor O'Rourke, for
> helping to judge and aiding in a most difficult decision.
>
> And if you thought this year's Lughnasad was good, just wait until next
> year.  You ain't seen nothin' yet!
>
> In Service,
> Padr?ig Ruad ? Maolag?in
> Lughnasad Autocrat AS XXXVIII



From padraig_ruad at irishbard.org  Wed Aug 13 12:35:27 2003
From: padraig_ruad at irishbard.org (Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:35:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Re:  Lughnasad
References: <20030813.142200.-1883917.1.lizdenpeters@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004401c361d2$0d2598a0$fd96fea9@computer>

The Misty Forest we have usedin the past, but the pump-and-fan system was
the brainchild of John Stegall (he hasn't chosen a persona name yet),
Grainne nic Seadna's lord husband.  We are contemplating what an appropriate
recognition might be - I like your idea of canonization.  :)

I am glad that you enjoyed our event, and thank you for your kind words.  I
hope eveyone who attended had at least as much fun as I did.

In Service,
Padr?ig Ruad ? Maolag?in
Lughnasad Autocrat AS XXXVIII
Lady Fionnuala wrote:

> M'lord,
>
> Whoever came up with the misting station needs to be canonized!  While it
> was not as hot as it has been in years past, that installation was a
> lifesaver as I do not do at all well in the heat.  Also, the fact that
> mist was directed over the list field was a good idea for those fighting
> in the heat even though we may hear grumbles about rusted armor.
>
> I try to attend this event every year.  It is low-key, fun and the food
> is good.  Watching the donnybrook was great fun and a good way for the
> kids to stay cool.
>
> Thanks to all  for a fun and lovely event.
>
> Lady Fionnuala the Fey (Nuala)



From charding at nwlink.com  Wed Aug 13 18:43:16 2003
From: charding at nwlink.com (Cathy Harding)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:43:16 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Some one seeking Master William Bjornson
Message-ID: <NEBBJBIBEKDBGCJJIOLJEEFLGEAA.charding@nwlink.com>

Greetings,
I have been told that someone from Ansteorra was seeking to contact Master
William Bjornson (of An Tir).  We have been fighting various computer viral
infections and the @home to attbi to comcast mess, so he has had changing
email address problems.  He can be reached at either dawson.bill at comcast.net
or at this address.

Maeve

www.billdawsonmetalsmith.com



From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Thu Aug 14 09:34:57 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:34:57 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] virus
Message-ID: <PMEOJEGPEILGNGAA@mailcity.com>

I learned when I was working as an online tech to check out all virus warnings that you get from individuals.  This is what McAfee has to say about the jdbgmgr.exe "virus"
.  
Virus Profile 
 
Virus Information 
Name: Jdbgmgr.exe hoax 
Risk Assessment   
  - Home Users: N/A 
  - Corporate Users: N/A 
Date Discovered: N/A 
Date Added: 4/8/2002 
Origin: Unknown 
Length: 0 
Type: Hoax 
SubType: - 
DAT Required: N/A 
 
  Quick Links 
Virus Characteristics 
Removal Instructions 
 
 
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Virus Characteristics  
 
AVERT HOAX Notice!!

McAfee AVERT Labs would like to inform you of a new email HOAX.

This email message is just a HOAX. Although, the JDBGMGR.EXE file may become infected by a number of valid viruses (most commonly W32/Magistr at MM), the details of this HOAX message are not based on actual events.

We are advising users who receive the email to delete the message and DO NOT pass it on as this is how an email HOAX propagates.

JDBGMGR.EXE is the Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java. This application is only useful for Java developers and does not need to be restored on other user's systems. In the event that this file has already been deleted and you need to restore it, see the Removal Instructions for instructions. 
It uses this icon: 

 

Below is the actual text from the message that may be received via email. There are numerous variations on these messages. 

(English version)

I found the little bear in my machine because of that I am sending this message in order for you to find it in your machine.  The procedure is very simple: 

The objective of this e-mail is to warn all Hotmail users about a new virus that is spreading by MSN Messenger.  The name of this virus is jdbgmgr.exe and it is sent automatically by the Messenger and by the address book too.  The virus is not detected by McAfee or Norton and it stays quiet for 14 days before damaging the system.  

The virus can be cleaned before it deletes the files from your system.  In order to eliminate it, it is just necessary to do the following steps: 
1. Go to Start, click "Search"
2.- In the "Files or Folders option" write the name jdbgmgr.exe 
3.- Be sure that you are searching in the drive "C" 
4.- Click "find now" 
5.- If the virus is there (it has a little bear-like icon with the name of jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT FOR ANY REASON
6.- Right click and delete it (it will go to the Recycle bin) 
7.- Go to the recycle bin and delete it or empty the recycle bin. 

IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS IN ALL OF YOUR SYSTEMS SEND THIS MESSAGE TO ALL OF YOUR CONTACTS LOCATED IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK BEFORE IT CAN CAUSE ANY DAMAGE.

  
And this is from Norton:

Jdbgmgr.exe file hoax  
Reported on: April 12, 2002  
Last Updated on: July 19, 2003 02:47:09 AM 

  
  

Symantec Security Response encourages you to ignore any messages regarding this hoax. It is harmless and is intended only to cause unwarranted concern.


Type: Hoax 




This hoax, like the SULFNBK.EXE Warning hoax, tries to encourage you to delete a legitimate Windows file from your computer. Jdbgmgr.exe is the file to which the hoax refers, and it is the Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java. The Jdbgmgr.exe file may be installed when you install Windows.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Notes: 
Some versions of this hoax take advantage of an actual threat, the W32.bugbear at mm worm. The Jdbgmgr.exe file mentioned in the hoax has a bear icon. The actual W32.bugbear at mm worm file is a .exe file and does not have a bear icon. 
Other versions of this hoax have slightly different ways in which they refer to the Jdbgmgr.exe file, usually in the subject of the email message. 
For example: 

Subject: "jdbg" Virus: how to detect and remove.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



NOTE: Recent 

The Windows Jdbgmgr.exe file has a teddy bear icon in the hoax, as illustrated below:





CAUTION: A virus can infect Jdbgmgr.exe. The W32.Efortune.31384 at mm virus in particular targets this file. Norton AntiVirus has provided protection against W32.Efortune.31384 at mm since May 11, 2001.

NOTE: If you have already deleted the Jdbgmgr.exe file, in most cases, you do not need to re-install it. The following quote is extracted from the Microsoft Knowledge Base article, "Virus Hoax: Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java (Jdbgmgr.exe) Is Not a Virus (Q322993)."

"The Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java (Jdbgmgr.exe) is only used by Microsoft Visual J++ 1.1 developers.

If you follow the e-mail message instructions and delete this file, you do not have to recover it unless you use Microsoft Visual J++ 1.1 to develop Java programs on Windows XP, Windows NT 4.0, Windows 98 Second Edition, Windows 98, or Windows 95."

If you need to restore this file, follow the instructions in "Virus Hoax: Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java (Jdbgmgr.exe) Is Not a Virus (Q322993)."


Hoax messages
This hoax has appeared in several languages. Some examples of the exact content, which is copied from the hoax message, are:

English, version 1

I found the little bear in my machine because of that I am sending this message in order for you to find it in your machine. The procedure is very simple:

The objective of this e-mail is to warn all Hotmail users about a new virus that is spreading by MSN Messenger. The name of this virus is jdbgmgr.exe and it is sent automatically by the Messenger and by the address book too. The virus is not detected by McAfee or Norton and it stays quiet for 14 days before damaging the system.

The virus can be cleaned before it deletes the files from your system. In order to eliminate it, it is just necessary to do the following steps:
1. Go to Start, click "Search"
2.- In the "Files or Folders option" write the name jdbgmgr.exe
3.- Be sure that you are searching in the drive "C"
4.- Click "find now"
5.- If the virus is there (it has a little bear-like icon with the name of jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT FOR ANY REASON
6.- Right click and delete it (it will go to the Recycle bin)
7.- Go to the recycle bin and delete it or empty the recycle bin.

IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS IN ALL OF YOUR SYSTEMS SEND THIS MESSAGE TO ALL OF YOUR CONTACTS LOCATED IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK BEFORE IT CAN CAUSE ANY DAMAGE.


I hope both companies will forgive me for the copy and paste but it is important and it let me do it.

Nell

 
 




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From culn97 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 16 07:33:01 2003
From: culn97 at yahoo.com (Rod Jackson)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 07:33:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Hospitaller of Emerald Keep
Message-ID: <20030816143301.94244.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com>


Pardon the bandwidth, I am in search of the Hospitaller of the Shire of Emerald Keep.

 

The Link thru the Shire web site seems to be broken.

 

Please contact me off list about a demo at a Waco school.

 

Thank you.

 

Your servant,

 

Lord Colin McCrandall,

Tempio



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From muirin at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 16 08:27:55 2003
From: muirin at hotmail.com (Kimberly Keplar)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:27:55 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle
Message-ID: <BAY9-F41CzrHRpCyxpN000413b9@hotmail.com>


Greetings all,

Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, mka Lawrence David 
Ruiz, will be held on Sat., 23 August 2003 at Seaside Memorial Park and 
Funeral Home in Corpus Christi, Tx.  All are welcome to attend.  In lieu of 
flowers or gifts, donations in Lawrence's name are being given to Ronald 
McDonald House and Charlie's Place (a charitable drug rehabilitation center 
in Corpus Christi).  For more informaition, please call Seaside Memorial 
Park.

Seaside Memorial Park and Funeral Home
4357 Ocean Dr.
Corpus Christi Tx 78412
(361) 992-9411

Take your best route to Ocean Dr.  Turn on Robert.  At blinking light, right 
into cemetary.  The services are at the large chaple just inside the 
cemetary,

I thank you all for the warm thoughts and prayers during this time.

In continued Service,

Muirin
mka Kim Keplar-Ruiz

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From b-richard at houston.rr.com  Sat Aug 16 21:19:47 2003
From: b-richard at houston.rr.com (Beth Richard)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:19:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for Finnacan from Namron
Message-ID: <20030816231947.B23044@stardock.pug.net>

Would Finnacan from Namron please send me your new e-mail address?  I
sent mail to the one you had in May, but it bounced.

Thanks!
Tangwistel Telynores (Telynor)
  The Canton of Gate's Edge, Ansteorra (Houston, TX)
  b-richard at houston.rr.com


From becalhoun at excite.com  Sun Aug 17 18:36:47 2003
From: becalhoun at excite.com (becalhoun@excite.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:36:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] International Fest
Message-ID: <20030818013647.1D54F3DFA@xmxpita.excite.com>



Come and join the Barony of the Eldern Hills at its largest demo of the year.  We try to present as many aspects of the SCA as possible.  International Festival is held on the 27th and 28th of Sept.  We are located at the corner of 4th and B streets in Lawton, OK (right next to the library).

For the fighting demos;
Heralds will announce each fighter onto the field each day.  Ladies will present favors to their selected champions. ONLY AUTHORIZED FIGHTERS will be allowed onto the field.  Demo rules; not tourny (fall down when you are killed, etc..  Fighters bring a drawing of your arms on a heater shield, (1/4" thick) no larger than 10" by 12" to be posted on a list tree.

For the Arts and Sciences demos;
Both static and works in progress will be accepted.  You are encouraged to bring something to actually work on to impress the crowd.  Impress them with your skills and show the crowd how easy it is to actualy do the task.

Demonstrations of dance and fighting skills not normally a part of SCA events will be used as intermissions for the fighters.

If you need additional information please cal  or email 
Baron Michel mac Donnchaid 580-252-2520 mg1m at swbell.net
Ld Shawn Colquhoun 580-536-2425 BECalhoun at excite.com

Lord Shawn 
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From diegovalor22 at grandecom.net  Sun Aug 17 14:27:21 2003
From: diegovalor22 at grandecom.net (George Berry)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:27:21 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the
	Rampant of Ram's Isle
References: <BAY9-F41CzrHRpCyxpN000413b9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c36506$58849940$9a3c9b18@i7h0m3>

Dear Friends,

The time for the service is 10:00AM.  (I checked with the Seaside Funeral
Home.)

In Service,
George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kimberly Keplar" <muirin at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Cc: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's
Isle


>
> Greetings all,
>
> Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, mka Lawrence
David
> Ruiz, will be held on Sat., 23 August 2003 at Seaside Memorial Park and
> Funeral Home in Corpus Christi, Tx.  All are welcome to attend.  In lieu
of
> flowers or gifts, donations in Lawrence's name are being given to Ronald
> McDonald House and Charlie's Place (a charitable drug rehabilitation
center
> in Corpus Christi).  For more informaition, please call Seaside Memorial
> Park.
>
> Seaside Memorial Park and Funeral Home
> 4357 Ocean Dr.
> Corpus Christi Tx 78412
> (361) 992-9411
>
> Take your best route to Ocean Dr.  Turn on Robert.  At blinking light,
right
> into cemetary.  The services are at the large chaple just inside the
> cemetary,
>
> I thank you all for the warm thoughts and prayers during this time.
>
> In continued Service,
>
> Muirin
> mka Kim Keplar-Ruiz
>
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From muirin at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 18 05:29:46 2003
From: muirin at hotmail.com (Kimberly Keplar)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:29:46 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the
	Rampant of Ram's Isle
Message-ID: <BAY9-F24QMRU9sMEUAM00010f63@hotmail.com>


Thank you Diego...lately my blonde roots have been showing more often than 
usual.  If anyone requires more information, please contact me off list.

Muirin

>From: "George Berry" <diegovalor22 at grandecom.net>
>Reply-To: SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com
>To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>, <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>CC: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of 
>Ram's Isle
>Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:27:21 -0500
>
>Dear Friends,
>
>The time for the service is 10:00AM.  (I checked with the Seaside Funeral
>Home.)
>
>In Service,
>George
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kimberly Keplar" <muirin at hotmail.com>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Cc: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 10:27 AM
>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's
>Isle
>
>
> >
> > Greetings all,
> >
> > Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, mka Lawrence
>David
> > Ruiz, will be held on Sat., 23 August 2003 at Seaside Memorial Park and
> > Funeral Home in Corpus Christi, Tx.  All are welcome to attend.  In lieu
>of
> > flowers or gifts, donations in Lawrence's name are being given to Ronald
> > McDonald House and Charlie's Place (a charitable drug rehabilitation
>center
> > in Corpus Christi).  For more informaition, please call Seaside Memorial
> > Park.
> >
> > Seaside Memorial Park and Funeral Home
> > 4357 Ocean Dr.
> > Corpus Christi Tx 78412
> > (361) 992-9411
> >
> > Take your best route to Ocean Dr.  Turn on Robert.  At blinking light,
>right
> > into cemetary.  The services are at the large chaple just inside the
> > cemetary,
> >
> > I thank you all for the warm thoughts and prayers during this time.
> >
> > In continued Service,
> >
> > Muirin
> > mka Kim Keplar-Ruiz
> >
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From medievalbelle at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 18 13:56:10 2003
From: medievalbelle at yahoo.com (Stacy E. Dickey)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:56:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Baron Gavin
Message-ID: <20030818205610.12844.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry for the bandwidth, folks, but would Gavin please contact me
privately? A mutual friend out of kingdom is in search of you.


~Madame Colete d'Evreux

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From edrei at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 18 07:30:55 2003
From: edrei at earthlink.net (David  Backlin)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:30:55 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [TY] ARMOR SHOP LOOTED/ MEMPHIS,TN AREA
Message-ID: <019c01c36595$597554e0$d02afea9@gateway>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Kane1Lissa at aol.com>
To: <meridian-ty at yahoogroups.com>


> This is a member of Shadow Legion. Keep a lookout for this stuff and
> crosspost freely!
>
> Duchess Ilissa
> Meridies
> ******************************************************
> Subj:    [Shadow_Legion] Talan's shop was robbed.  ARMOUR MISSING!  Please
> read!
> Date:   08/18/2003 8:51:02 AM Central Daylight Time
> From:   GypsyJade at UReach.com (Kali)
> To: shadow_legion at yahoogroups.com
>
> Hi Guys,
> Talan's shop was broken into between Saturday night & today.  He
> lost all of his tools - a Stanley four drawer tool box full of
> all of the tools that he needs in order to do his job.  Hundreds
> of dollars worth of sockets, hand tools, and everything under
> the sun is GONE.
>
> To make this even worse, the idiots grabbed the armour bag
> also.
>
>  Talan has very very distinctive armour.
> His face helm gets quite a few comments wherever he goes.  It
> has a tongue sticking out that is pierced.  The arms & legs are
> splinted and very nicely done.  The kidney belt is a large
> leather piece that is banded with plates & has half moon shapes
> & a small shield on the back.  The belt is studded with little
> rivets all along the outside edge.  Everything (& I mean
> everything) was taken.  This is a custom set of armour that
> would cost someone thousands of dollars to replace.
>
> While I do not suspect that someone within society took the
> armour, I can't help thinking that it may show up either at an
> event or on eBay.
>
> Also, I have pictures of his armour if anyone would like to see
> them.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
> Please forward this on to every SCA list on which you are a
> member.  I really want to get the word out there.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kali, who is shaking so hard that she does not know what to do
>



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From stargate_seneschal at mail.ev1.net  Mon Aug 18 09:00:37 2003
From: stargate_seneschal at mail.ev1.net (stargate_seneschal)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:00:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] FWD: Texas Gulf Coast area SCA Rapier Board
Message-ID: <200308181100.AA69337408@mail.ev1.net>

For those who may have an interest. (This was received in my old 
Seneschal mail account.) 

Lady Isabeau Quiquandon
(FORMER Stargate Seneschal)

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "John Trojanowski" <john at trojanowski.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:09:56 -0500

Greetings All:
>
>My name is John Trojanowski and I am a sport (modern) fencer in 
the Houston-Galveston area. I also run a website for the benefit 
of said fencers within the Gulf Coast Division of the USFA.
>
>However, in the process of creating a forum site with a variety 
of boards for discussion (lack of communication is a big problem 
sometimes) I determined to expand the scope.
>
>So on this site 
>http://campechesteel.proboards15.com/index.cgi
>
>I have set up a board for historical fencing discussion and for 
SCA fencing discussion. My primary emphasis is the Gulf Coast 
region, but this is by no means a rule, just a re-occurring focus. 
I have corresponded with the few folks I communicate with in the 
SCA (Chris "Don Tivar Moondragon" Zakes, Elizabeth Zakes, 
Robert "Lyelf" Lyle), but they are all in Austin or the Dallas-Ft. 
Worth area.
>
>What I'd like to do is offer use of this board for the 
rapier/light fencers of the Gulf Coast Region of the SCA. If you 
folks decide you like it, I'd be happy to let one amongst you 
serve as moderator.
>
>It's new. No postings yet. Feel free to explore and use and get 
back to me. Let your fencers know.
>
>John Trojanowski
>
>
 

________________________________________________________________
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From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 15:49:28 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:49:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Ansteorra-announce] Jams and jellies for
	Protectorate
Message-ID: <20030818174928.A15398@stardock.pug.net>

On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 09:04 PM, Maleah wrote:
>     Part of the festivities at this year's Protectorate is a Jams and
> Jellies competition sponsored by HE Ulf and myself. This is to help 
> showcase
> the aspiring cooks in our great kingdom.

> So, dig through your recipes, take advantage of the end of season 
> sales and
> bring your viands to Protectorate.
For those looking for recipes to try for this interesting competition, 
there are a few files in the Florilegium that might prove to be of use.
In the FOOD-SWEETS section:
marmalades-msg    (60K)  5/17/02    Period marmalades and fruit jellies 
and jams
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-SWEETS/marmalades-msg.html

There are also several files in the FOOD-FRUITS section that have 
information on various period fruits which might be useable in jellies 
and jams. Here are two of them:
fruits-msg       (104K)  5/21/02    Medieval fruits and fruit dishes. 
Recipes.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-FRUITS/fruits-msg.html
fruit-quinces-msg (64K) 12/14/02    Period uses and recipes for quinces.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-FRUITS/fruit-quinces-msg.html

Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 18:43:30 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:43:30 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Greetings and Hi There,

I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't heard
any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?

Thanks for the info.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.



From pug at pug.net  Mon Aug 18 19:21:02 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:21:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>;
	from gilli@hot.rr.com on Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 08:43:30PM -0500
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>

Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
> calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't heard
> any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?

  Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a fact
  today.

  Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more per
  year if they hold any of the following:

- Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
- A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.


From Reihla at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 19:55:51 2003
From: Reihla at aol.com (Reihla@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:55:51 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <17d.1f41e959.2c72ebb7@aol.com>

I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our recent 
 meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per year 
*including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event per year. 
 

I'm almost sure there was a discussion about which of Wiesenfeuer's three 
events per year we weren't going to do in order to bring us in line with the new 
policy.

Or maybe I was hallucinating.  

- Kat  >^.,.^<


From ThoraOdottir at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 20:04:19 2003
From: ThoraOdottir at aol.com (ThoraOdottir@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:04:19 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <f7.2f39227b.2c72edb3@aol.com>

There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies will 
be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event per 
year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can be no 
new court business conducted at the unofficial events.  

This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some hard 
decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to save 
the ones we enjoy through co-operation.

Thora Olafsdottir
DFT


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:06:27 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:06:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

I am well aware of the 2 events for Shires and Cantons and 3 for Baronies,
plus any Kingdom of Regional events that they might do.  We have been on
that system for a good many years now.

However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number of
calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not seen
anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a year
while a Barony could do two.

Is this true?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> > I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
> > calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't
heard
> > any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
>
>   Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a fact
>   today.
>
>   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more per
>   year if they hold any of the following:
>
> - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
> System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
>  Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White
Blvd
>  Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
> Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that
matter.
> _______________________________________________
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:09:25 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:09:25 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <f7.2f39227b.2c72edb3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c365ff$4cc74720$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

So since it is "proposed" there is still room for some discussion on it?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <ThoraOdottir at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies
will
> be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event
per
> year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can be
no
> new court business conducted at the unofficial events.
>
> This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some
hard
> decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to
save
> the ones we enjoy through co-operation.
>
> Thora Olafsdottir
> DFT
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:16:51 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:16:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <f7.2f39227b.2c72edb3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c36600$566b1f80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Also, when and where was it proposed?  I've seen no such discussion on such
a monumental change in how we do business discussed or even mentioned on the
RT list.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <ThoraOdottir at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies
will
> be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event
per
> year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can be
no
> new court business conducted at the unofficial events.
>
> This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some
hard
> decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to
save
> the ones we enjoy through co-operation.
>
> Thora Olafsdottir
> DFT
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From meadhbh at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:30:47 2003
From: meadhbh at austin.rr.com (meadhbh)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:30:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>

It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
more information.

Mistress Meadhbh
Secretary to the Kingdom Seneschal

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Bob Dewart
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:06 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?

I am well aware of the 2 events for Shires and Cantons and 3 for
Baronies,
plus any Kingdom of Regional events that they might do.  We have been on
that system for a good many years now.

However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number
of
calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not
seen
anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a
year
while a Barony could do two.

Is this true?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> > I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the
number of
> > calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I
haven't
heard
> > any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
>
>   Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a
fact
>   today.
>
>   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more
per
>   year if they hold any of the following:
>
> - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
> System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop
625
>  Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben
White
Blvd
>  Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX
78741
> Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that
matter.
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra

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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:39:38 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:39:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>
Message-ID: <002a01c36603$8766c460$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Thanks for the info.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "meadhbh" <meadhbh at austin.rr.com>
To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
> can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
> suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
> more information.
> 
> Mistress Meadhbh
> Secretary to the Kingdom Seneschal
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Bob Dewart
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:06 PM
> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> 
> I am well aware of the 2 events for Shires and Cantons and 3 for
> Baronies,
> plus any Kingdom of Regional events that they might do.  We have been on
> that system for a good many years now.
> 
> However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number
> of
> calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not
> seen
> anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a
> year
> while a Barony could do two.
> 
> Is this true?
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> 
> 
> > Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> > > I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the
> number of
> > > calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I
> haven't
> heard
> > > any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
> >
> >   Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a
> fact
> >   today.
> >
> >   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more
> per
> >   year if they hold any of the following:
> >
> > - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> > - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event
> >
> > Ciao,
> >
> > --
> > Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
> > System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop
> 625
> >  Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben
> White
> Blvd
> >  Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX
> 78741
> > Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that
> matter.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ansteorra mailing list
> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From PKieferjr at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 20:42:00 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:42:00 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <99.3bf2a00e.2c72f688@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/18/2003 10:32:19 PM Central Daylight Time, 
meadhbh at austin.rr.com writes:

> It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
> can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
> suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
> more information.
> 
> Mistress Meadhbh
> 

Is the calendar getting that crowded?  Is it the result of growth?  I know 
that we've been adding groups at a rather quick pace.

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From jds at randomgang.com  Mon Aug 18 20:59:53 2003
From: jds at randomgang.com (Jennifer Smith)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:59:53 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>
References: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>
Message-ID: <20030819035953.GB15614@randomgang.com>

On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:30:47PM -0500, meadhbh wrote:
> It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
> can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
> suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
> more information.

Isn't this what the redtape mailing list is for?  (I've noticed it's
hardly used at all, which seems silly...)


-- 
Jennifer Smith
jds at randomgang.com


From mtucker at airmail.net  Mon Aug 18 21:43:09 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:43:09 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <001d01c36600$566b1f80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 10:16  PM, Bob Dewart wrote:

> Also, when and where was it proposed?  I've seen no such discussion on 
> such
> a monumental change in how we do business discussed or even mentioned 
> on the
> RT list.
>
> Gilli
>

Hi, Gilli:

This was announced by Their Majesties Ulsted and Cateau at King's Round 
Table (the "Red Tape" event) back on July 19, to the Barons and 
Baronesses in fief and any other officers who were present. I learned 
about it from Godwin and Lissa (Baron and Baroness of Stargate) when 
they got home from the event. It was not put to them as a suggestion by 
the Their Majesties, but rather it was announced to them as a change 
that was going to be made, along with an explanation of why.

To answer Johann Kiefer Hayden's question: yes, the calendar is "that 
crowded". It's been "that crowded" for years, which is why the kingdom 
installed the present limit on events. But Their Majesties evidently 
feel that those limits haven't been successful, hence the lower limits.

As Meadhbh said, this change will be made to Kingdom Law, although it 
hasn't been made yet (so I suppose there's still time to discuss the 
change with the Kingdom Seneschal and Their Majesties).

If you have any questions about this, you should contact the Kingdom 
Seneschal (seneschal at ansteorra.org) or Their Majesties 
(crown at ansteorra.org), or your local Baron and Baroness (who should 
have heard about this first-hand at Round Table). Or raise the subject 
on Red Tape, as a couple of you have suggested.

Personally, I feel that this change is a Good Thing(tm), and should 
encourage us to have fewer, but better, events. It should encourage 
more groups to bid for kingdom events (such as King's College), which 
often go begging for bids at present (or just don't get held). (There's 
a list of these events in Kingdom Law.) It should also encourage events 
that are hosted by multiple groups, pooling their efforts to pull off 
truly spectacular events.

Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they 
want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom 
Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards 
can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the 
Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band candy", or 
any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their 
group's expenses. :-)

Yours in service,
Michael Silverhands



From jtc at swordworks.org  Mon Aug 18 23:02:51 2003
From: jtc at swordworks.org (James Crouchet)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:02:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <200308190102.51369.jtc@swordworks.org>

On Monday 18 August 2003 09:21 pm, Pug Bainter wrote:

>   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more
> per year if they hold any of the following:
>
> - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event

I also understand that events above kingdom level -- Bod Meetings, 40th 
Anniversary of the SCA, Gulf War, KW Dance, KW Heraldic, etc. are exempt 
from the count. However, if you really want the skinny on this ask the 
Seneschal or her calendar deputy. Maybe someone can post the proposed 
text.

Dor?




From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 23:03:03 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:03:03 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c36617$8ea70fa0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Some groups don't have landed folks.

No, it's a bad thing.
1.    Reduces opportunities to get awards given to populace.
2.    Will increase court times. Instead of being able to have the awards
given at several events during the year it will now be at only one for
Shires and Cantons.
3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several a
year now.  And most groups don't do them.
4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third for
Baronies.
5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.

I hate to say it, but the reason the Kingdom calendar is too full is because
the Kingdom is too big.  Now there is politically incorrect thought.

I will email the Crown tomorrow.  It's too late tonight to do so
effectively.  But item one above really bothers me.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Tucker" <mtucker at airmail.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


>
> On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 10:16  PM, Bob Dewart wrote:
>
> > Also, when and where was it proposed?  I've seen no such discussion on
> > such
> > a monumental change in how we do business discussed or even mentioned
> > on the
> > RT list.
> >
> > Gilli
> >
>
> Hi, Gilli:
>
> This was announced by Their Majesties Ulsted and Cateau at King's Round
> Table (the "Red Tape" event) back on July 19, to the Barons and
> Baronesses in fief and any other officers who were present. I learned
> about it from Godwin and Lissa (Baron and Baroness of Stargate) when
> they got home from the event. It was not put to them as a suggestion by
> the Their Majesties, but rather it was announced to them as a change
> that was going to be made, along with an explanation of why.
>
> To answer Johann Kiefer Hayden's question: yes, the calendar is "that
> crowded". It's been "that crowded" for years, which is why the kingdom
> installed the present limit on events. But Their Majesties evidently
> feel that those limits haven't been successful, hence the lower limits.
>
> As Meadhbh said, this change will be made to Kingdom Law, although it
> hasn't been made yet (so I suppose there's still time to discuss the
> change with the Kingdom Seneschal and Their Majesties).
>
> If you have any questions about this, you should contact the Kingdom
> Seneschal (seneschal at ansteorra.org) or Their Majesties
> (crown at ansteorra.org), or your local Baron and Baroness (who should
> have heard about this first-hand at Round Table). Or raise the subject
> on Red Tape, as a couple of you have suggested.
>
> Personally, I feel that this change is a Good Thing(tm), and should
> encourage us to have fewer, but better, events. It should encourage
> more groups to bid for kingdom events (such as King's College), which
> often go begging for bids at present (or just don't get held). (There's
> a list of these events in Kingdom Law.) It should also encourage events
> that are hosted by multiple groups, pooling their efforts to pull off
> truly spectacular events.
>
> Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they
> want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom
> Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards
> can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the
> Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band candy", or
> any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their
> group's expenses. :-)
>
> Yours in service,
> Michael Silverhands
>
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From Fitzmorgan at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 05:41:06 2003
From: Fitzmorgan at aol.com (Fitzmorgan@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:41:06 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <1ab.1907c33f.2c7374e2@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/18/2003 11:40:19 PM Central Standard Time, 
mtucker at airmail.net writes:


> Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they 
> want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom 
> Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards 
> can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the 
> Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band candy", or 
> any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their 
> group's expenses. :-)
> 
> Yours in service,
> Michael Silverhands
> 

       Which could lead to more events where there is no Court, and we can 
start the parties and the Bardic before Midnight.  

Robert


From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 06:05:25 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:05:25 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>;
	from gilli@hot.rr.com on Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:06:27PM -0500
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
	<000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030819080525.A22649@stardock.pug.net>

Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number of
> calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not seen
> anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a year
> while a Barony could do two.

Unfortunately I was at pennsic for our last business meeting where this
change would have been discussed so I wasn't aware of the change since I
didn't attend Red tape.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "If you don't worry 'bout the future
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   sooner or later it's the past
Dark Horde Moritu      |   And if they say the thrill is gone
pug at pug.net            |   then it's time to take it back" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From arabella at elfsea.net  Tue Aug 19 06:22:19 2003
From: arabella at elfsea.net (Lisa Duke)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:22:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c36617$8ea70fa0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c36654$eae70300$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>

Gilli said:

<snipped>
3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several a
year now.  And most groups don't do them.
4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third for
Baronies.
5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.


HL Arabella, past Kingdom Calendar Deputy here......

Nobody said they can't have the events.  Just that each group will have 1
less on the official Kingdom Calendar.  They can still have that event.
Just no awards can be given out that affect the Order of Precedence, no
armigerous awards.

It won't even affect a groups ability to advertise in the Black Star.  A
group can still pay the standard rate for their event announcement.  They
can still use the allowed free advertisement per year on the non-calendar
event if they wish.  Unless our wonderful chronicler makes a policy change.

An example... This is purely hypothetical.... If the Barony of the Steppes
chooses to make it's Steppes Artisan event off Calendar do you think that
will affect anything?  People will still attend, the B&B  can still give out
Baronial non-armigerous awards, there will still be the artisan competition,
and any other competition the barony wishes to hold.




From gn-white at tamu.edu  Tue Aug 19 06:25:56 2003
From: gn-white at tamu.edu (Norman White)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:25:56 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <sf41df18.014@ag.tamu.edu>

Greetings from Master Jin Liu Ch'ang,

I normally do not post to the list, preferring to be a lurker, but I felt the need to speak on this topic.
Gilli said that event limits are a bad thing because:
>Some groups don't have landed folks. 
I come from the Shire of the Shadowlands, one of the small groups that have trouble getting event dates.
We have no landed or even unlanded barons in our group.
Our group is within 150 miles of Stargate and its cantons, Ravensfort, Bryn Gwlad, and most other groups in the Southern and Coastal Regions.
As a group, you do not want to have an event the week before or after another close by group much less the same date so that cuts out most weekends. 
When you combine that with the fact that the community in which we are based, Bryan/College Station, has an enormous university (TAMU) that holds its own events that basically wreck traffic for many weekends, especially in the fall, we have experienced many problems getting dates for events.
Part of our problem with scheduling events is that we dare not try to schedule an event against an A&M football game, graduation, or other large college event.
But another problem is that our surrounding groups have felt the need to hold 3 to 4 events per year.
When there are approximately 10 groups nearby, combined with coronations and such, this does not leave many free weekends for us to have events.
Therefore, I am glad to hear that something is being done.

As for Gilli's reasons that the limit is a bad thing:
>1.    Reduces opportunities to get awards given to populace.

Most of the people in my group have either gotten their awards at other group's events or they got them from a visiting baron and baroness.
This occurred so often in our history that it resulted in Baron Don Tivar and Baroness Aethylean (I apologize if I misspelled their names) becoming the first persons to receive a Comet for service to a group in which they were not a resident.
Myself, I received my Iris and Laurel at Ravensfort events because our group was unable to get event dates during that period.
Therefore, his second objection:

>2.    Will increase court times. Instead of being able to have the awards
>given at several events during the year it will now be at only one for
>Shires and Cantons.

Courts have been too long for years.
The most objectionable reason for court length in my mind is the feeling by some people that they need to do presentations in court.
I feel that if you feel the need to do a presentation in court, you are doing it for the wrong reasons.
As for the ability to receive awards several times in the year, be happy to have an event to get them once. 
I also do not believe that holding only one event a year will hurt most people as far as getting awards as very few deserve more than one a year.
As for his third objection:

>3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several a
>year now.  And most groups don't do them.

Our last few events have had less than maybe a dozen people attend from outside the group because other groups were having bigger events.  In one case, we thought we had a chance to hold a well attended event but the Kingdom calendar changed and it resulted in Elfsea having an event opposite ours.

I have nothing to say about his fourth and fifth objections, except been there, gone through it for years.
>4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third for
>Baronies.
>5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.

As for his last statement:
>I hate to say it, but the reason the Kingdom calendar is too full is because
>the Kingdom is too big.  Now there is politically incorrect thought.

This may be true, but if you look at the calendars for other Kingdoms, you will find that very few of them have groups holding 3 and 4 events a year.

Gilli's last statement:
>I will email the Crown tomorrow.  It's too late tonight to do so
>effectively.  But item one above really bothers me.

Discussion on decisions such as this are always welcome but I remember Ulsted and Cateau when they were members of the Shire of the Shadowlands so I know they remember what it is like to be unable to get dates.

It must be nice to live where there are fewer surrounding groups and you can get event dates.

Jin Liu Ch'ang
m.k.a. Norman White
gn-white at tamu.edu



From nweders at mail.utexas.edu  Tue Aug 19 06:55:18 2003
From: nweders at mail.utexas.edu (Nancy Wederstrandt)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:55:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS
In-Reply-To: <200308191327.h7JDRDa29994@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030819083938.00b21850@mail.utexas.edu>

Greetings,

I have to agree with several of the written statements but I'd like to 
point out something.

Good events are well-attended whether or not they on on the calendar.  They 
need to be not cookie-cutter, non-boring events.  I won't go to something 
that all I do is sit and not have any exchange or things or interest.  I 
expect I will attend Steppes Artisan because I really enjoy the 
event.  It's an artisan event where it's low key, fun and I get to see 
people who rarely can travel or only make it to this event.

I agree with Michael - the quality has to improve.  I really enjoyed events 
like Maekloth, King Alfonzo's Tourney, Steppes Artisan, the Alexandrian 
Symposia.   Some of the best King's Colleges have been in small 
groups.  Look at Festival of Japan - It's a great even because it's unique.....

Keep in mind Regional events might be a good thing.  The smaller groups in 
a region could get together and hold one for the Region.

It is true that the Kingdom is getting larger.... It will eventually grow 
smaller as well.

Regards,

Clare



From YsfaelEleanor at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 07:16:06 2003
From: YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:16:06 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS
Message-ID: <ea.3cc7111a.2c738b26@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 9:01:12 AM Central Daylight Time, 
nweders at mail.utexas.edu writes:


> 
> Keep in mind Regional events might be a good thing.  The smaller groups in 
> a region could get together and hold one for the Region.
> 
> 

             As well as the fact that it might provide more cohesion within 
the regions, it is also true that an award for a person can be given at an 
event in an adjoining group or one that is across the Kingdom for that matter.  So 
opportunities to take care of court business are not so lost as at first it 
might appear. 

             Peace and Grace
             Ysfael 


From eirik at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 07:58:20 2003
From: eirik at hot.rr.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:58:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <000001c36662$59276cd0$1402a8c0@eirik>

> If you have any questions about this, you should contact the Kingdom 
> Seneschal (seneschal at ansteorra.org) or Their Majesties 
> (crown at ansteorra.org), or your local Baron and Baroness (who should 
> have heard about this first-hand at Round Table). Or raise 
> the subject 
> on Red Tape, as a couple of you have suggested.

First of all, why has no of this been told to those shires that don't
have landed nobles to inform them. As a shire member, I can tell you
that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups. The
baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind of
news to the shires, at least in my region. 
 
> Personally, I feel that this change is a Good Thing(tm), and should 
> encourage us to have fewer, but better, events. It should encourage 
> more groups to bid for kingdom events (such as King's College), which 
> often go begging for bids at present (or just don't get 
> held). (There's 
> a list of these events in Kingdom Law.) It should also 
> encourage events 
> that are hosted by multiple groups, pooling their efforts to pull off 
> truly spectacular events.

What about those groups that have one event a year and it is up against
a Steppes Warlord or it rains for several days and their site is not
usable. These groups would lose money on those events that wouldn't be
recoverable. Non-calender events are good for local stuff that local
folks want to attend, but don't have the draw of calender events. If you
have an event that the Crown attends, you will see a bigger attendance
rather than a non-calender event that no Kingdom business can occur at.
 
> Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they 
> want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom 
> Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards 
> can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the 
> Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band 
> candy", or 
> any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their 
> group's expenses. :-)

This won't keep weekends down to one event. There are 42 groups listed
in the Black Star. There are 52 weekends in the year. Six weekends are
taken up by Crown Tourneys, Coronations, and Round Table events. Four
weekends happen during Pennsic and Gulf wars. That leaves 42 weekends.
There are 65 calender events that can be held. There will still be
weekends that have two or more events during the year. Looking at the
unoffical calendar online for the next year there are less than 6
weekends that have more than two events. All this does in my opinion is
cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events given
to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow those
groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
functioning.

Eirik




From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 08:39:02 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000001c36662$59276cd0$1402a8c0@eirik>
References: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <3F41FE46.10954.328F86@localhost>

On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
<snip>
 All this does in my opinion
> is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
> second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow
> those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> functioning.
> 
> Eirik


Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at the next crown 
tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship tournament. I 
would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many interesting places to 
go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put together or staff since 
the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by someone on the 
kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That is a great chance to 
shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that might or might not 
have been well staffed. 

Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should be post 
Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember that 
Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to do was book a 
site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and running the list usually 
had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and Crown areas 
were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the events were 
already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it was at the request 
of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that was easy to 
coordinate. 

Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few if any bids 
to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event ahead of time. I 
suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other large group because 
it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute event. 

If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two and have 
volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything concrete you are half 
way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown. You can often 
reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full refund if you 
cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament and then 
cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still several months 
ahead. 

I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. So is time, so grab 
what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's event and make 
a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make the feast or serve 
the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a reviewing stand). 

Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful. 

Claire Shayhan


From cellach at breezykilt.com  Tue Aug 19 09:02:47 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:02:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <028701c3666b$57206320$1108a8c0@bobby>

Honestly, it doesn't look as though the calendar will clear up that much to
me.  People will still have to take a hard look at the multiple events that
are happening on a particular weekend and choose which one they wish to
attend.

Also, the loss of income is an issue.  For the larger Baronies, it's not
such a concern.  They have events that host several hundred people and can
fill their group's coffers at a single event.  Often, for the smaller
groups, there is no hugely attended event to cover the entire year's
expenditures.  Although not terribly likely, what if a small group's event
is washed out the day before?  What if something unforseen happens and the
event must be cancelled?  That group will now have NO substantial income for
the entire year.  It my be rare that it happens, but, it could, conceivably,
result in the folding of a local group.

I'm a member of Namron; a large, healthy and strong Barony!  Not everyone
has this amazing opportunity.  Why penalize the smaller groups?  They desire
and, frankly, need the means to grow and expand.  Limiting the opportunities
for smaller groups in order to make it easier to choose which of the large,
long standing events we will attend is beneficial to a scant few.

We have a large, vibrant and healthy Kingdom.  Let's celebrate that rather
than limit it.

Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Greetings and Hi There,
>
> I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
> calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't
heard
> any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
>
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From hellbilly_tx at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 09:19:23 2003
From: hellbilly_tx at yahoo.com (Zach)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:19:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [TY] ARMOR SHOP LOOTED/ MEMPHIS,TN AREA
In-Reply-To: <019c01c36595$597554e0$d02afea9@gateway>
Message-ID: <20030819161923.18445.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com>


I am crawling the pages of ebay all the time looking at armor just to get ideas.  I probably look at ebay every other day.  Please send me the pictures of the armor and I will keep a look out for them.  If I see what looks like a match I will email you.

 
Nickolai Vatavia

David Backlin <edrei at earthlink.net> wrote:
----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: 


> This is a member of Shadow Legion. Keep a lookout for this stuff and
> crosspost freely!
>
> Duchess Ilissa
> Meridies
> ******************************************************
> Subj: [Shadow_Legion] Talan's shop was robbed. ARMOUR MISSING! Please
> read!
> Date: 08/18/2003 8:51:02 AM Central Daylight Time
> From: GypsyJade at UReach.com (Kali)
> To: shadow_legion at yahoogroups.com
>
> Hi Guys,
> Talan's shop was broken into between Saturday night & today. He
> lost all of his tools - a Stanley four drawer tool box full of
> all of the tools that he needs in order to do his job. Hundreds
> of dollars worth of sockets, hand tools, and everything under
> the sun is GONE.
>
> To make this even worse, the idiots grabbed the armour bag
> also.
>
> Talan has very very distinctive armour.
> His face helm gets quite a few comments wherever he goes. It
> has a tongue sticking out that is pierced. The arms & legs are
> splinted and very nicely done. The kidney belt is a large
> leather piece that is banded with plates & has half moon shapes
> & a small shield on the back. The belt is studded with little
> rivets all along the outside edge. Everything (& I mean
> everything) was taken. This is a custom set of armour that
> would cost someone thousands of dollars to replace.
>
> While I do not suspect that someone within society took the
> armour, I can't help thinking that it may show up either at an
> event or on eBay.
>
> Also, I have pictures of his armour if anyone would like to see
> them.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
> Please forward this on to every SCA list on which you are a
> member. I really want to get the word out there.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kali, who is shaking so hard that she does not know what to do
>



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From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 10:34:15 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:34:15 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <200308191700.h7JH04a32535@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEECEGADEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Several posts said things along the lines of:
>Also, the loss of income is an issue.  For
>the larger Baronies, it's not such a concern.
>They have events that host several hundred
>people and can fill their group's coffers
>at a single event.  Often, for the smaller
>groups, there is no hugely attended event to
>cover the entire year's expenditures.
>Although not terribly likely, what if a
>small group's event is washed out the day
>before?  What if something unforseen happens
>and the event must be cancelled?  That group
>will now have NO substantial income for
>the entire year.  It my be rare that it happens,
>but, it could, conceivably,
>result in the folding of a local group.

My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the sky
is falling in!"

The reason why I say that is that the SCA, and more especially, individual
groups, including baronies, didn't used to have the astronomical bank
accounts we now have and take for granted.

I recall many years ago in Bjornsborg when we passed the hat at our baronial
meeting in order to raise enough "front money" to do an event, and then we
counted upon the gate receipts to cover the expenses. I also recall when
having $35.00 (not three hundred and fifty, or three and a half thousand)
was what we considered a propsperous bank account.

Amazing as it seems today for groups that are used to just writing
several-hundred-dollar checks for event expenses, it is in fact possible to
go out, really check out your local community, drum up donations for bread
and other food, meeting spaces, event locations and so forth.

I'll certainly agree that having a fat wallet makes all this easier, but it
is not essential.  And, in fact, if you have to go out and canvass local
businesses looking for one or two who will make a donation to write off on
their taxes in order to be able to put on an event, there is a second
positive effect and that is that many people get exposed to the whole idea
of the SCA that would not otherwise have known about it, and this can be
useful in terms of community relations, membership, etc.

Unless we end up with a limitaion of no more than *one* event per weekend in
the kingdom, there are going to be conflicts.  That's the way it is.  I
suspect that small groups are in fact harmed more than helped by having
multiple events each year, because you still have other events sucking off
your attendance no matter how many you put on, but I don't *know* that for
sure.

Whether or not that's the case, when there were fewer groups and fewer
events in the kingdom (back when rocks were soft), I think each event *felt*
more special. We had fewer chances to see our friends and to play the game
that is so obviously special to us.  I can see a couple of ways to get back
to that: limiting events so there are no conflicts at all; splitting up into
two or more smaller kingdoms; and probably many others.

What Ansteorrans as a group need to decide is:  "why do we hold events?"  --
if it's just to make money to so that we can hold more events later, then
we're rats on a treadmill.  If the reason is to create really cool places
and occasions in which we can, if only for a few minutes, enjoy sharing
knowledge and our imaginations, then I would suggest that we need to
investigate how we can get to more quality, if less quantity.

I urge the folks who have a knee-jerk reaction that "less events means I
and/or my group are discriminated against" to really look at the total
attendance at your groups events over the last 5 years.  Are they going up?
Going down?  How about attendance at *all* events for a year, over a 5-year
period?  Before you start trying to fix it, see if it in fact broke.  Next
step is to figure out, if your attendance is down, then *why* exactly is it
down?  Can you prove it was a conflicting event? Or was it that your event
was too lackluster to draw more people?  Or you had a catastrophic disaster
(floods, for example) that prevented attendance?  We *have* to look at all
those factors.  The SCA now *does* have more money per group than we used
to.  If were were for-profit businesses, we'd be stupid not to look at what
our customers wanted, and why business was not growing vs. declining.
Guessing is worthless, and the only vote that counts is how many customers
pay you to attend your event.

::GUNNVOR::



From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 10:48:15 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:48:15 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>

I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on Kingdom 
events.
The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor in the central region bid on Crown Tournament 
in October. We never thought we had a chance. Low and behold our small 
canton will be hosting the event.

If you do not put in a bid. You cannot win it. Don’t think you are too small 
to try. This will be a whole new experience for us to learn from, and I for 
one am excited about it.

Just my two cents.
Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor



>From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
>Reply-To: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc." 
><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
>
>On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
><snip>
>  All this does in my opinion
> > is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
> > second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> > the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> > given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow
> > those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> > functioning.
> >
> > Eirik
>
>
>Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at the 
>next crown
>tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship 
>tournament. I
>would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many 
>interesting places to
>go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put together 
>or staff since
>the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by someone 
>on the
>kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That is a 
>great chance to
>shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that 
>might or might not
>have been well staffed.
>
>Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should be 
>post
>Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember 
>that
>Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to do 
>was book a
>site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and running 
>the list usually
>had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and 
>Crown areas
>were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the events 
>were
>already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it was at 
>the request
>of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that was 
>easy to
>coordinate.
>
>Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few if 
>any bids
>to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event ahead 
>of time. I
>suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other large 
>group because
>it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute event.
>
>If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two and 
>have
>volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything 
>concrete you are half
>way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown. You 
>can often
>reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full 
>refund if you
>cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament and 
>then
>cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still 
>several months
>ahead.
>
>I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. So 
>is time, so grab
>what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's 
>event and make
>a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make the 
>feast or serve
>the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a 
>reviewing stand).
>
>Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful.
>
>Claire Shayhan
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From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 11:01:57 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:01:57 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <Law11-F26xtql2IaPfi00064b6f@hotmail.com>

Just an FYI.

When we (The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor) were told of this change (by the 
seneschal of Elfsea) a date and time for the change was unknown as of yet. 
We are waiting to see if it will go into effect in 2004 or 2005. Many of us 
already have our events on the calendar for 2004 so we just have to wait and 
see what happens.

Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor


>From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:09:25 -0500
>
>So since it is "proposed" there is still room for some discussion on it?
>
>Gilli
>Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <ThoraOdottir at aol.com>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> > There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies
>will
> > be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event
>per
> > year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can 
>be
>no
> > new court business conducted at the unofficial events.
> >
> > This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some
>hard
> > decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to
>save
> > the ones we enjoy through co-operation.
> >
> > Thora Olafsdottir
> > DFT
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> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>
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From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 13:12:50 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:12:50 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
In-Reply-To: <ea.3cc7111a.2c738b26@aol.com>;
	from YsfaelEleanor@aol.com on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 10:16:06AM
	-0400
References: <ea.3cc7111a.2c738b26@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030819151250.B26218@stardock.pug.net>

YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor at aol.com) said something that sounded like:
> it is also true that an award for a person can be given at an 
> event in an adjoining group or one that is across the Kingdom for that matter

That is definitely true. Apparently I received a King's Archer at
Academy of the Bow but I was unable to present at the event. The award
was read into Law at that event and I was given it later. The later
happened to be Pennsic.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "If you want my views of history
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   then there is something you should know.
Dark Horde Moritu      |   The three men I admire the most are
pug at pug.net            |   Curly, Larry and Moe!" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 13:19:19 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:19:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>;
	from lady_pict2@hotmail.com on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 05:48:15PM
	+0000
References: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030819151919.C26218@stardock.pug.net>

Miss Pict (lady_pict2 at hotmail.com) said something that sounded like:
> I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on Kingdom 
> events.

I'd also like to point out that it means I'd be *more* likely to attend
a smaller groups event than I am now when there are fewer events on the
calendar to have to choose from.

Btw, I'd also like to encourage the Crown to hold Circles at the smaller
group events instead of the already jam packed large events. When you
start dreading going to events because of all the "business" being done,
you start thinking about if you really want to go to it. Spread the
wealth out more.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "And I ain't in it for the power
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   And I ain't in it for my health
Dark Horde Moritu      |   I ain't in it for the glory of anything at all
pug at pug.net            |   And I sure ain't in it for the wealth" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From mtucker at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 14:34:08 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:34:08 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000001c36662$59276cd0$1402a8c0@eirik>
Message-ID: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>

On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 09:58  AM, Ron wrote:
> First of all, why has no of this been told to those shires that don't
> have landed nobles to inform them.

One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire 
in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand? 
Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the 
regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending 
change?"

*Most* of the groups in the kingdom don't have landed nobles to inform 
them. That doesn't make them the downtrodden minority, it makes them 
the majority of groups.

Speaking as a former officer of  the kingdom, I assure you that the 
shires, cantons and colleges are given plenty of consideration at the 
kingdom level. But, it has to be a two-way street. The shire's officers 
have to care enough to attend meetings when they're called, bring news 
back from those meetings and share it with their fellow officers and 
populace.

> As a shire member, I can tell you
> that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups. The
> baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind of
> news to the shires, at least in my region.
>

Is it our neighbor Meridies' problem to keep Ansteorra informed of 
changes made by the BoD? No. It's Ansteorra's problem to stay informed, 
all on her own.

It's not the barony's problem to inform you. It's *your* problem to 
stay informed. Or, failing that, it's your up-line officers (regional 
and kingdom) to see that you are informed of changes.

> ... The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events given
> to shires and cantons if this goes into effect.
> ...
> That would allow those
> groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> functioning.
>
> Eirik

I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you 
don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.

I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather 
have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than 
have 3 bland "formula" events.

The research was done years ago to determine that we needed fewer, 
better, events. The Crown and Kingdom Seneschal suggested that groups 
head in that direction. Very few listened. Modest limits were put in 
place. Still, very few listened. We're about to see stronger limits put 
in place.

I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do 
something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal 
to impose those limits in the first place.

Yours,
Michael Silverhands



From PKieferjr at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 14:59:22 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:59:22 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <36.465a5ba7.2c73f7ba@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 4:34:50 PM Central Daylight Time, 
mtucker at airmail.net writes:

> I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do 
> something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal 
> to impose those limits in the first place.
> 
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands
> 

So, let's see if I get this straight:  As an analogy, we're like a business 
in Chapter 11 that has to reorganize itself into a leaner, meaner business in 
order to survive, which means that we have to sacrifice something along the 
way.  Would this be correct?

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)  (Seriously considering 
reviving the "principality" dead horse.)


From eirik at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 15:13:06 2003
From: eirik at hot.rr.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:13:06 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <004301c3669f$13f28540$1402a8c0@eirik>

> > First of all, why has no of this been told to those shires 
> that don't 
> > have landed nobles to inform them.
> 
> One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from 
> your shire 
> in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand? 
> Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the 
> regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending 
> change?"

I was at Round Table and was in the GOoFs meeting. Apparently this was
announced in the meeting that was restricted to the Landed
Baron/Baronesses. Kinda hard for someone from a group that doesn't have
a Landed Baron/Baroness to find out about it.

Eirik




From mama_mac at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 15:24:49 2003
From: mama_mac at airmail.net (Donna Wallis)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:24:49 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <002001c366a0$b67aaf80$110988cf@donna>

>Michael Silverhands wrote:
>
>One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire
>in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand?
>Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the
>regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending
>change?"


I was at King's Round Table and do not believe this was discussed in any
open session. As I understand it was discussed at the meeting the Crown
had with the Landed Nobles. Our Canton was informed by our Barony of the
changes that would be coming soon.

So Shires were left out unless the Crown or a Landed Noble contacted
them at King's Round Table .  I don't know if the Regional or Kingdom
Seneschal contacted them about the changes.


Dana Mac an Ghabhann
Loch Ruadh REALLY  ROCKS!!!




From mtucker at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 15:30:51 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:30:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <36.465a5ba7.2c73f7ba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C9E20AAF-D294-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 04:59  PM, PKieferjr at aol.com wrote:
>> I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do
>> something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and 
>> Seneschal
>> to impose those limits in the first place.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Michael Silverhands
>>
>
> So, let's see if I get this straight:  As an analogy, we're like a 
> business
> in Chapter 11 that has to reorganize itself into a leaner, meaner 
> business in
> order to survive, which means that we have to sacrifice something 
> along the
> way.  Would this be correct?
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)  (Seriously considering
> reviving the "principality" dead horse.)
>

I disagree with your analogy of a business in Chapter 11. We aren't 
"going down the tubes" financially, as your analogy implies. On the 
contrary, as Mistress Gunnvor and others have posted, we are blessed 
with good fortune (perhaps too much). We have more groups than ever 
before in our history; most groups have more money in their bank 
accounts than ever before. I think that you're missing the point.

I think that I could restate what's been said (by me and others) as: 
"We have a run-away condition of too many low-margin, low-attendance, 
cookie-cutter tiny-tourneys on the calendar; yet high-profile kingdom 
events go begging for bids. Therefore we need to limit the number of 
on-calendar events, to encourage groups to hold better, fewer events."

How did you get from that, to "seriously considering reviving the 
"principality" dead horse"? True, each piece of a divided kingdom would 
have fewer events on its calendar; we have somewhat that situation 
already, with the kingdom calendar deputy charged to prevent 
conflicting events within each region. But will that solve the 
over-riding problem (as restated above)? I don't think so. Limiting 
events by region hasn't helped to unclutter the calendar or improve the 
quality of our events, so how would dividing the kingdom help?

Yours,
Michael Silverhands



From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 19 15:28:22 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw@titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:28:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Quoting Michael Tucker <mtucker at airmail.net>:

> One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire
> in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand? 
> Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the 
> regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending 
> change?"

Of course, one might ask why all the pelicans, knights, laurels, white scarves, 
centurians, etc don't all attend the various circles.  We don't even have all 
of any of these groups attend even if the circle is local.<G>

True, the seneschals should have been informed by either the kingdom seneschal 
or their regional and then, in turn, inform their own populace.  Evidently this 
isn't the case with every group.

> 
> *Most* of the groups in the kingdom don't have landed nobles to inform
> 
> them. That doesn't make them the downtrodden minority, it makes them 
> the majority of groups.
> 
> Speaking as a former officer of  the kingdom, I assure you that the 
> shires, cantons and colleges are given plenty of consideration at the 
> kingdom level. But, it has to be a two-way street. The shire's officers
> have to care enough to attend meetings when they're called, bring news
> back from those meetings and share it with their fellow officers and 
> populace.

Again, were the all the seneschals in the kingdom required to be at Round Table 
or send a representative?  If so, then there's no excuse.  If not, then it 
falls back to being informed by kingdom or regional level.

> 
> > As a shire member, I can tell you
> > that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups.
> The
> > baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind
> of
> > news to the shires, at least in my region.
> >
> 
> Is it our neighbor Meridies' problem to keep Ansteorra informed of 
> changes made by the BoD? No. It's Ansteorra's problem to stay informed,
> all on her own.

At least the BOD announces the changes they are contemplating (to a certain 
extent) if it's going to affect the populace in general.  And perhaps the Crown 
or the kingdom seneschal will have just such an announcement in a future Black 
Star.  Hopefully that's the case as it seems that there is a fair amount of 
resistance to such a change.

> 
> It's not the barony's problem to inform you. It's *your* problem to 
> stay informed. Or, failing that, it's your up-line officers (regional 
> and kingdom) to see that you are informed of changes.
> 
<snip>

> I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you 
> don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.
> 
> I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather
> 
> have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than 
> have 3 bland "formula" events.
> 
> The research was done years ago to determine that we needed fewer, 
> better, events. The Crown and Kingdom Seneschal suggested that groups 
> head in that direction. Very few listened. Modest limits were put in 
> place. Still, very few listened. We're about to see stronger limits put
> 
> in place.
> 
> I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do 
> something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal
> 
> to impose those limits in the first place.
> 
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands

Has the problem been brought to the people?

And just what is the problem?  I've been hearing for years that the calendar is 
too crowded.  Everytime I hear that, I check the calendar and actually run the 
numbers.  It makes me wonder just what certain people consider "crowded".

For instance, if you were to look at the current 12 months (Aug '03 to July '04)
of the kindom calendar on line, you will find :

There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events per 
weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)

If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled (Christmas, 
Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings the 
number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)

The breakdown is :

25 weekends with only 1 event
14 weekends with 2 events
4 weekends with 3 events
1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.

This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled have 3 
or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with events 
scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an event 
or 2.

Also something that people don't tend to mention when they say the calendar is 
too crowded is that, in addition to the current group limitations, there is 
also a regional limitation (no more than 1 per region per weekend) and a 
distance limitation (not sure where the mileage between events has to be, but 
I'm sure HL Gwenneth Blackrose can tell us).  Yes, these limitations can be 
waived, but it's not often that they are.

So I guess my whole question is "What is the problem?".  It doesn't appear that 
the current system is broken, so as the old saying goes "If it ain't broke, 
don't fix it."  Improvements are one thing, but I don't see as whole these new 
limitations will improve things appreciably.

Ansgar



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From arabella at elfsea.net  Tue Aug 19 15:33:49 2003
From: arabella at elfsea.net (Lisa Duke)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:33:49 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030819151919.C26218@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <000601c366a1$f60079e0$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>

HL Arabella here:

Pug said.........
When you
start dreading going to events because of all the "business" being done,
you start thinking about if you really want to go to it. Spread the
wealth out more.

Ciao,

--
Phelim "Pug" Gervase

Be very careful what you say Master Pug.  Why should you dread going to an
event because of "business being done"?  The peers of this realm don't have
to.   You know there is a meeting happening twice a year set aside for
nothing but business.  It's already on the Calendar.  It even had a name
change recently.  At the last one, Their Majesties were in their finest
Royal wardrobe to conduct official Royal business.

Be very careful what you wish for, It might come true.

HL Arabella de Montacute
"Never pass up an opportunity to say nothing.  If you need to say something
do it in private."
Foster Prot?g? to Sir Pendaran Glamorgan




From mtucker at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 15:40:17 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:40:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <004301c3669f$13f28540$1402a8c0@eirik>
Message-ID: <1B548FD1-D296-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>

> I was at Round Table and was in the GOoFs meeting. Apparently this was
> announced in the meeting that was restricted to the Landed
> Baron/Baronesses. ...
>
> Eirik
>

> I was at King's Round Table and do not believe this was discussed in 
> any
> open session. As I understand it was discussed at the meeting the Crown
> had with the Landed Nobles. ...
>
> Dana Mac an Ghabhann
> Loch Ruadh REALLY  ROCKS!!!
>

D'oh!

Michael Silverhands

p.s. in that case, I would think that the seneschalate should have 
promptly disseminated this information to the rest of the kingdom. But, 
a) I wasn't there, and b) I don't know what they did or didn't do or 
why, so c) I'll be quiet now. :-P



From Fitzmorgan at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 16:12:31 2003
From: Fitzmorgan at aol.com (Fitzmorgan@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:12:31 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <137.23dbe475.2c7408df@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 5:32:43 PM Central Standard Time, 
mama_mac at airmail.net writes:


> I was at King's Round Table and do not believe this was discussed in any
> open session. As I understand it was discussed at the meeting the Crown
> had with the Landed Nobles. Our Canton was informed by our Barony of the
> changes that would be coming soon.
> 
> So Shires were left out unless the Crown or a Landed Noble contacted
> them at King's Round Table .  I don't know if the Regional or Kingdom
> Seneschal contacted them about the changes.
> 
> 
      I was at Round Table.  I wasn't told about it.  I heard about it from 
someone who heard about it from someone in the B & B meeting.   At this point 
still third-hand rumor for all I know.  I assume it's true because no one is on 
here denying it.

Robert Fitzmorgan
Northern Regional Seneschal


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 16:13:22 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:13:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c366a7$7ca58620$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

My understanding is that the Tor was the only one that bid on it.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miss Pict" <lady_pict2 at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on
Kingdom
> events.
> The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor in the central region bid on Crown
Tournament
> in October. We never thought we had a chance. Low and behold our small
> canton will be hosting the event.
>
> If you do not put in a bid. You cannot win it. Don't think you are too
small
> to try. This will be a whole new experience for us to learn from, and I
for
> one am excited about it.
>
> Just my two cents.
> Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor
>
>
>
> >From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
> ><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
> >
> >On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
> ><snip>
> >  All this does in my opinion
> > > is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
> > > second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> > > the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> > > given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow
> > > those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> > > functioning.
> > >
> > > Eirik
> >
> >
> >Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at
the
> >next crown
> >tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship
> >tournament. I
> >would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many
> >interesting places to
> >go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put together
> >or staff since
> >the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by
someone
> >on the
> >kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That is
a
> >great chance to
> >shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that
> >might or might not
> >have been well staffed.
> >
> >Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should
be
> >post
> >Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember
> >that
> >Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to do
> >was book a
> >site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and
running
> >the list usually
> >had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and
> >Crown areas
> >were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the events
> >were
> >already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it was
at
> >the request
> >of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that
was
> >easy to
> >coordinate.
> >
> >Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few if
> >any bids
> >to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event
ahead
> >of time. I
> >suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other
large
> >group because
> >it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute event.
> >
> >If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two
and
> >have
> >volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything
> >concrete you are half
> >way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown.
You
> >can often
> >reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full
> >refund if you
> >cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament and
> >then
> >cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still
> >several months
> >ahead.
> >
> >I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. So
> >is time, so grab
> >what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's
> >event and make
> >a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make
the
> >feast or serve
> >the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a
> >reviewing stand).
> >
> >Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful.
> >
> >Claire Shayhan
> >_______________________________________________
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 16:21:09 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:21:09 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
	<1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <003301c366a8$93bd4720$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Thank you very much for those numbers.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Quoting Michael Tucker <mtucker at airmail.net>:
>
> > One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire
> > in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand?
> > Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the
> > regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending
> > change?"
>
> Of course, one might ask why all the pelicans, knights, laurels, white
scarves,
> centurians, etc don't all attend the various circles.  We don't even have
all
> of any of these groups attend even if the circle is local.<G>
>
> True, the seneschals should have been informed by either the kingdom
seneschal
> or their regional and then, in turn, inform their own populace.  Evidently
this
> isn't the case with every group.
>
> >
> > *Most* of the groups in the kingdom don't have landed nobles to inform
> >
> > them. That doesn't make them the downtrodden minority, it makes them
> > the majority of groups.
> >
> > Speaking as a former officer of  the kingdom, I assure you that the
> > shires, cantons and colleges are given plenty of consideration at the
> > kingdom level. But, it has to be a two-way street. The shire's officers
> > have to care enough to attend meetings when they're called, bring news
> > back from those meetings and share it with their fellow officers and
> > populace.
>
> Again, were the all the seneschals in the kingdom required to be at Round
Table
> or send a representative?  If so, then there's no excuse.  If not, then it
> falls back to being informed by kingdom or regional level.
>
> >
> > > As a shire member, I can tell you
> > > that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups.
> > The
> > > baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind
> > of
> > > news to the shires, at least in my region.
> > >
> >
> > Is it our neighbor Meridies' problem to keep Ansteorra informed of
> > changes made by the BoD? No. It's Ansteorra's problem to stay informed,
> > all on her own.
>
> At least the BOD announces the changes they are contemplating (to a
certain
> extent) if it's going to affect the populace in general.  And perhaps the
Crown
> or the kingdom seneschal will have just such an announcement in a future
Black
> Star.  Hopefully that's the case as it seems that there is a fair amount
of
> resistance to such a change.
>
> >
> > It's not the barony's problem to inform you. It's *your* problem to
> > stay informed. Or, failing that, it's your up-line officers (regional
> > and kingdom) to see that you are informed of changes.
> >
> <snip>
>
> > I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you
> > don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.
> >
> > I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather
> >
> > have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than
> > have 3 bland "formula" events.
> >
> > The research was done years ago to determine that we needed fewer,
> > better, events. The Crown and Kingdom Seneschal suggested that groups
> > head in that direction. Very few listened. Modest limits were put in
> > place. Still, very few listened. We're about to see stronger limits put
> >
> > in place.
> >
> > I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do
> > something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal
> >
> > to impose those limits in the first place.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Michael Silverhands
>
> Has the problem been brought to the people?
>
> And just what is the problem?  I've been hearing for years that the
calendar is
> too crowded.  Everytime I hear that, I check the calendar and actually run
the
> numbers.  It makes me wonder just what certain people consider "crowded".
>
> For instance, if you were to look at the current 12 months (Aug '03 to
July '04)
> of the kindom calendar on line, you will find :
>
> There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events
per
> weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)
>
> If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
(Christmas,
> Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings
the
> number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
>
> The breakdown is :
>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
> This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
have 3
> or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
events
> scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
event
> or 2.
>
> Also something that people don't tend to mention when they say the
calendar is
> too crowded is that, in addition to the current group limitations, there
is
> also a regional limitation (no more than 1 per region per weekend) and a
> distance limitation (not sure where the mileage between events has to be,
but
> I'm sure HL Gwenneth Blackrose can tell us).  Yes, these limitations can
be
> waived, but it's not often that they are.
>
> So I guess my whole question is "What is the problem?".  It doesn't appear
that
> the current system is broken, so as the old saying goes "If it ain't
broke,
> don't fix it."  Improvements are one thing, but I don't see as whole these
new
> limitations will improve things appreciably.
>
> Ansgar
>
>
>
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From celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 16:33:23 2003
From: celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com (Mark Masters)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:33:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs
Message-ID: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>

Once a few years back at an event for the Barony of the Lonely Tower ( 
Omaha, Nebraska ).  I had seen a two piece chair they called a Viking 
Traveling Chair.  It came in two parts, the seat part would slide into a 
grove into the chair back part.  It would then lean back some so that one 
could sit at almost a recline position.  I am just trying to see if any one 
has any pics or blue prints on how to make them.  I have tried looking on 
the net & have not found what I am looking for.  So any help from any one 
would be greatly appreiciated.  Thank you one & all...

In Service to the Dream
Lord Morgan Lucktain
A & S Officer or Barony Bordermarch
Quartermaster of the Pyrate Shiphold Posiedons' Fury

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From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 16:36:39 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:36:39 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000601c366a1$f60079e0$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>;
	from arabella@elfsea.net on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 05:33:49PM -0500
References: <20030819151919.C26218@stardock.pug.net>
	<000601c366a1$f60079e0$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>
Message-ID: <20030819183639.A30079@stardock.pug.net>

Lisa Duke (arabella at elfsea.net) said something that sounded like:
> Be very careful what you say Master Pug.  Why should you dread going to an
> event because of "business being done"?

  Because of the old motto.

When you stop having fun, stop doing it.

  The Peers of the Realm do a lot more "business" than what is seen at
  the King's Round Table. There is more "business" to the game of the
  SCA than what the officers do. Just ask the Laurels about judging
  sometime.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "And I ain't in it for the power
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   And I ain't in it for my health
Dark Horde Moritu      |   I ain't in it for the glory of anything at all
pug at pug.net            |   And I sure ain't in it for the wealth" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 16:39:00 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:39:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Coastal] Vivking Chairs
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>;
	from celtic_chaos75@hotmail.com on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at
	06:33:23PM -0500
References: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030819183900.B30079@stardock.pug.net>

Mark Masters (celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com) said something that sounded like:
> Once a few years back at an event for the Barony of the Lonely Tower ( 
> Omaha, Nebraska ).  I had seen a two piece chair they called a Viking 
> Traveling Chair.  It came in two parts, the seat part would slide into a 
> grove into the chair back part.  It would then lean back some so that one 
> could sit at almost a recline position.  I am just trying to see if any one 
> has any pics or blue prints on how to make them.  I have tried looking on 
> the net & have not found what I am looking for.  So any help from any one 
> would be greatly appreiciated.  Thank you one & all...

http://www.currentmiddleages.org/tents/chair4stargazer.pdf

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "What about your friends?
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   They're Defective!
Dark Horde Moritu      |   All the parts are out of stock."
pug at pug.net            |   --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From Ldyinnes at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 16:49:59 2003
From: Ldyinnes at aol.com (Ldyinnes@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:49:59 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs
Message-ID: <16.3419b6a3.2c7411a7@aol.com>

Check out the Known World Handbook.

innes


From uther at lcc.net  Tue Aug 19 17:00:14 2003
From: uther at lcc.net (mike young)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:00:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
	<1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <01c901c366ae$091d1770$982222d1@theparents>


>
>>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
> This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
have 3
> or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
events
> scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
event
> or 2.
>
> Also something that people don't tend to mention when they say the
calendar is
> too crowded is that, in addition to the current group limitations, there
is
> also a regional limitation (no more than 1 per region per weekend) and a
> distance limitation (not sure where the mileage between events has to be,
but
> I'm sure HL Gwenneth Blackrose can tell us).  Yes, these limitations can
be
> waived, but it's not often that they are.


150 miles
Don't forget that 4 weekends a year are reserved for crown and coronation.

gwyneth

>
> So I guess my whole question is "What is the problem?".  It doesn't appear
that
> the current system is broken, so as the old saying goes "If it ain't
broke,
> don't fix it."  Improvements are one thing, but I don't see as whole these
new
> limitations will improve things appreciably.
>
> Ansgar
>
>
>
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>



From agillilan at swbell.net  Tue Aug 19 17:14:50 2003
From: agillilan at swbell.net (April Gillilan)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:14:50 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
In-Reply-To: <20030819151250.B26218@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <005501c366b0$12f63b30$6401a8c0@PORTEGE>

This is definitely true.  It doesn't matter what the event is, you can
recommend people who will be there for awards, whether they are from the
sponsoring group or not.

I asked the OP gurus in our shire, and from January 2002-now, 13 people in
out shire have received 16 awards in that time frame.  Only 4 awards were
given out at our group's event.

Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do not
recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.  Anytime
a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in award
recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It doesn't
matter that it's not "our" event.

Gilyan
Shire of Mooneschadowe



> YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor at aol.com) said something that sounded
> like:
> > it is also true that an award for a person can be given at an
> > event in an adjoining group or one that is across the Kingdom for that
> matter
> 
> That is definitely true. Apparently I received a King's Archer at
> Academy of the Bow but I was unable to present at the event. The award
> was read into Law at that event and I was given it later. The later
> happened to be Pennsic.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> --
> Phelim "Pug" Gervase

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From DonPieter at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 17:16:48 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:16:48 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Non-calender courts
Message-ID: <27.4665326e.2c7417f0@aol.com>

To tell the truth the fewer events per group thing doesn't bother me as much 
as some others BUT.... there is one thing that is. If non-calender events such 
as local yule revels can not give out awards that carry an AoA. Many baronys 
have local awards (atleast one) that carrys with it an AoA. Small local events 
are a great time to give out such awards because when you are at an event 
with mostly people from the local area it meens alot to the group. Giving local 
awards at large events where lots of people are out of towners isn't as 
special. So thats my opinion as if anyone wanted it.

Don Pieter Rausch


From DonPieter at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 17:18:37 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:18:37 EDT
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
Message-ID: <28.3c64a3db.2c74185d@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time, 
agillilan at swbell.net writes:

> 
> Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do not
> recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.  Anytime
> a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in award
> recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It doesn't
> matter that it's not "our" event.
> 
> Gilyan
> Shire of Mooneschadowe
> 

True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what about 
the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any event.
Pieter


From snorri at houston.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 17:32:58 2003
From: snorri at houston.rr.com (Snorri Hallsson)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:32:58 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
References: <17d.1f41e959.2c72ebb7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101c366b2$9b542260$c2fea8c0@steven>

Mistress Kat brought this up ...
> I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our
recent
>  meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per
year
> *including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event per
year.

Just out of curiosity, I know that each barony in Ansteorra has one
perpetual event date, a set weekend every year that a barony has reserved on
the calendar per Kingdom law.  My question is, why was this established?
What was the reasoning for creating PEDs for baronies but not shires,
cantons, etc. when this law was passed?  (Responders, act like I don't know
anything, ask my wife, it's real easy to do.)


Lord Snorri Hallsson



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 17:38:05 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:38:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <sf41df18.014@ag.tamu.edu>
Message-ID: <00a601c366b3$527feb40$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Please don't forget, Middleford is pretty close to the center of the
Kingdom.  We too are within 150 miles of a good number of groups.  And if
you expand that mileage just a little, say a 4 hour drive, my, my.

While some groups may be maxed out on what awards their populace can get,
others aren't.  Some groups even have population that rotate in and out on a
more or less regular base.  Examples of those groups are those near military
basese, like Middleford and Namron, and all those groups with colleges.
There's a bunch of these so I'm not going to even try to list them.

Groups such as yours and ours have there scheduling challenges.  Military
deployment, training exercises, Boy Scout events and Wicken Weekends just
give us opportunities to excell.  Thre are certain time of the year because
of my working as a civilian contractor on Fort Hood, I'm pretty much a write
off, like the month of August.

AS for being able to get dates on the calendar, well...have you heard of the
5Ps? Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance. : If one waits to within 4
months of when they want to do an event, yep, it might be a little tight.
Right now, we're just waiting for the calendar to progress a little further
so we can put in a request for War Chieftain 2005.

Gilli

Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman White" <gn-white at tamu.edu>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Greetings from Master Jin Liu Ch'ang,
>
> I normally do not post to the list, preferring to be a lurker, but I felt
the need to speak on this topic.
> Gilli said that event limits are a bad thing because:
> >Some groups don't have landed folks.
> I come from the Shire of the Shadowlands, one of the small groups that
have trouble getting event dates.
> We have no landed or even unlanded barons in our group.
> Our group is within 150 miles of Stargate and its cantons, Ravensfort,
Bryn Gwlad, and most other groups in the Southern and Coastal Regions.
> As a group, you do not want to have an event the week before or after
another close by group much less the same date so that cuts out most
weekends.
> When you combine that with the fact that the community in which we are
based, Bryan/College Station, has an enormous university (TAMU) that holds
its own events that basically wreck traffic for many weekends, especially in
the fall, we have experienced many problems getting dates for events.
> Part of our problem with scheduling events is that we dare not try to
schedule an event against an A&M football game, graduation, or other large
college event.
> But another problem is that our surrounding groups have felt the need to
hold 3 to 4 events per year.
> When there are approximately 10 groups nearby, combined with coronations
and such, this does not leave many free weekends for us to have events.
> Therefore, I am glad to hear that something is being done.
>
> As for Gilli's reasons that the limit is a bad thing:
> >1.    Reduces opportunities to get awards given to populace.
>
> Most of the people in my group have either gotten their awards at other
group's events or they got them from a visiting baron and baroness.
> This occurred so often in our history that it resulted in Baron Don Tivar
and Baroness Aethylean (I apologize if I misspelled their names) becoming
the first persons to receive a Comet for service to a group in which they
were not a resident.
> Myself, I received my Iris and Laurel at Ravensfort events because our
group was unable to get event dates during that period.
> Therefore, his second objection:
>
> >2.    Will increase court times. Instead of being able to have the awards
> >given at several events during the year it will now be at only one for
> >Shires and Cantons.
>
> Courts have been too long for years.
> The most objectionable reason for court length in my mind is the feeling
by some people that they need to do presentations in court.
> I feel that if you feel the need to do a presentation in court, you are
doing it for the wrong reasons.
> As for the ability to receive awards several times in the year, be happy
to have an event to get them once.
> I also do not believe that holding only one event a year will hurt most
people as far as getting awards as very few deserve more than one a year.
> As for his third objection:
>
> >3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several
a
> >year now.  And most groups don't do them.
>
> Our last few events have had less than maybe a dozen people attend from
outside the group because other groups were having bigger events.  In one
case, we thought we had a chance to hold a well attended event but the
Kingdom calendar changed and it resulted in Elfsea having an event opposite
ours.
>
> I have nothing to say about his fourth and fifth objections, except been
there, gone through it for years.
> >4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third
for
> >Baronies.
> >5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.
>
> As for his last statement:
> >I hate to say it, but the reason the Kingdom calendar is too full is
because
> >the Kingdom is too big.  Now there is politically incorrect thought.
>
> This may be true, but if you look at the calendars for other Kingdoms, you
will find that very few of them have groups holding 3 and 4 events a year.
>
> Gilli's last statement:
> >I will email the Crown tomorrow.  It's too late tonight to do so
> >effectively.  But item one above really bothers me.
>
> Discussion on decisions such as this are always welcome but I remember
Ulsted and Cateau when they were members of the Shire of the Shadowlands so
I know they remember what it is like to be unable to get dates.
>
> It must be nice to live where there are fewer surrounding groups and you
can get event dates.
>
> Jin Liu Ch'ang
> m.k.a. Norman White
> gn-white at tamu.edu
>
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 17:43:38 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:43:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
References: <17d.1f41e959.2c72ebb7@aol.com>
	<001101c366b2$9b542260$c2fea8c0@steven>
Message-ID: <00b201c366b4$19ce4200$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

I think that is a wonderful question.

In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
only two?

Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?

If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all three) that
would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Snorri Hallsson" <snorri at houston.rr.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question


> Mistress Kat brought this up ...
> > I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our
> recent
> >  meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per
> year
> > *including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event
per
> year.
>
> Just out of curiosity, I know that each barony in Ansteorra has one
> perpetual event date, a set weekend every year that a barony has reserved
on
> the calendar per Kingdom law.  My question is, why was this established?
> What was the reasoning for creating PEDs for baronies but not shires,
> cantons, etc. when this law was passed?  (Responders, act like I don't
know
> anything, ask my wife, it's real easy to do.)
>
>
> Lord Snorri Hallsson
>
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From lymadelina at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 15:51:21 2003
From: lymadelina at earthlink.net (Madelina de Lindesay)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:51:21 -0500 (GMT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Coastal] Vivking Chairs
Message-ID: <1025712.1061340674426.JavaMail.nobody@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Uddgar once told me these chairs are an invention of the 20th century.  Does anyone have documentation?

Madelina


From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 18:02:20 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:02:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually Viking Chairs
In-Reply-To: <200308200045.h7K0jRa09598@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEIEGEDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Lord Morgan Lucktain asked:
>...I had seen a two piece chair they
>called a Viking Traveling Chair.  It
>came in two parts, the seat part would
>slide into a grove into the chair back
>part.  It would then lean back some so
>that one could sit at almost a recline
>position.  I am just trying to see if any
>one has any pics or blue prints on how
>to make them.  I have tried looking on
>the net & have not found what I am looking
>for.  So any help from any one
>would be greatly appreiciated.

Firstly, these are not Viking chairs by any stretch of the imagination.  How
the two board, non-period camp chairs got to be called "Viking chairs"
involves the general evolution of "folk understandings" in the SCA.

To locate the two-board, modern camp chairs, try searching for "stargarzer
chair".  There are online plans for this not medieval chair at:

http://www.currentmiddleages.org/tents/chair4stargazer.pdf

HOWEVER... if you'd like an actual Viking chair, I can help you with that,
too.  Check out my article on woodworking in the Viking Age
(http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/wood.htm) in the "Furniture" section.  Then
also consult the Bibliography, which has one section devoted to
"Reconstructions, Plans and How To Articles".  There's one chair from Lund,
Sweden (ca. 1000-1050) that is almost identical to a chair I've seen offered
commercially at various places such as Walmart from time to time.

::GUNNVOR::







From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 18:06:37 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:06:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually A Viking Chair
In-Reply-To: <200308200045.h7K0jRa09598@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEMEGEDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Lord Morgan Lucktain asked:
>...I had seen a two piece chair they
>called a Viking Traveling Chair.  It
>came in two parts, the seat part would
>slide into a grove into the chair back
>part.  It would then lean back some so
>that one could sit at almost a recline
>position.  I am just trying to see if any
>one has any pics or blue prints on how
>to make them.  I have tried looking on
>the net & have not found what I am looking
>for.  So any help from any one
>would be greatly appreiciated.

Firstly, these are not Viking chairs by any stretch of the imagination.  How
the two board, non-period camp chairs got to be called "Viking chairs"
involves the general evolution of "folk understandings" in the SCA.

To locate the two-board, modern camp chairs, try searching for "stargarzer
chair".  There are online plans for this not medieval chair at:

http://www.currentmiddleages.org/tents/chair4stargazer.pdf
http://cls.coe.utk.edu/mcnutt/SCA/portfolio/woodworking/bogchair/bogchairpla
ns.htm

And though I'm sure no one would have guessed this, there are a series of
messages about this type of chair in Stefan's Florilegium at
http://www.florilegium.org/files/HOME/chairs-msg.html as well ;-)

HOWEVER... if you'd like an actual Viking chair, I can help you with that,
too.  Check out my article on woodworking in the Viking Age
(http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/wood.htm) in the "Furniture" section.  Then
also consult the Bibliography, which has one section devoted to
"Reconstructions, Plans and How To Articles".  There's one chair from Lund,
Sweden (ca. 1000-1050) that is almost identical to a chair I've seen offered
commercially at various places such as Walmart from time to time.

::GUNNVOR::






From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 19:14:23 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:14:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030819211420.0136e9d8@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 07:32 PM 8/19/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Mistress Kat brought this up ...
>> I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our
>recent
>>  meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per
>year
>> *including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event per
>year.
>
>Just out of curiosity, I know that each barony in Ansteorra has one
>perpetual event date, a set weekend every year that a barony has reserved on
>the calendar per Kingdom law.  My question is, why was this established?
>What was the reasoning for creating PEDs for baronies but not shires,
>cantons, etc. when this law was passed?  (Responders, act like I don't know
>anything, ask my wife, it's real easy to do.)


I wasn't in on the decision-making process, but I *think* the reasoning
went like this: 

Some groups have "traditional" events (such as Steppes Warlord, Candlemas
in Bryn Gwlad or Namron Protectorate.) Locking those dates into the kingdom
calendar means, on the one hand, that the group doesn't have to fight for
that weekend every year and on the other hand, groups planning events near
that time will already know that, for example, Namron Protectorate is on
Columbus Day weekend, so they can plan around it.

(Bear in mind that when this was done, the number of groups in Ansteorra
was significantly smaller than it is now.)

	-Tivar Moondragon



From cchipman at nomadics.com  Tue Aug 19 20:35:13 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:35:13 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
	<1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <00f601c366cc$117c82c0$19c11f43@nomadics.com>

Have you added in the following events:

Gulf Wars
Pennsic
Estrella
Lillies
Diamond Wars

While not everyone in the kingdom goes to those events, they do factor into
the calendar.  Depending on how you count those (Pennsic 2, GW 2, Lillies 2,
Estrella 1, and Diamond Wars 1) thats another 10 events.

Jean Paul (doing recon behind enemy lines :) )

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


-- snip --
> There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events
per
> weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)
>
> If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
(Christmas,
> Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings
the
> number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
>
> The breakdown is :
>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
> This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
have 3
> or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
events
> scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
event
> or 2.
>
-- snip -- 
> Ansgar
>
>
>
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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Tue Aug 19 20:37:18 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:37:18 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
References: <28.3c64a3db.2c74185d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <010401c366cc$5bd01170$19c11f43@nomadics.com>

Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
(Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either Comets,
Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.

Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)


> In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time,
> agillilan at swbell.net writes:
>
> >
> > Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do
not
> > recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.
Anytime
> > a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in
award
> > recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It
doesn't
> > matter that it's not "our" event.
> >
> > Gilyan
> > Shire of Mooneschadowe
> >
>
> True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what
about
> the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any
event.
> Pieter
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 19:42:01 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:42:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net><1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
	<00f601c366cc$117c82c0$19c11f43@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c366c4$a4d8ca40$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Diamond Wars???

Where and when is that??

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Chipman" <cchipman at nomadics.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Have you added in the following events:
>
> Gulf Wars
> Pennsic
> Estrella
> Lillies
> Diamond Wars
>
> While not everyone in the kingdom goes to those events, they do factor
into
> the calendar.  Depending on how you count those (Pennsic 2, GW 2, Lillies
2,
> Estrella 1, and Diamond Wars 1) thats another 10 events.
>
> Jean Paul (doing recon behind enemy lines :) )
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> -- snip --
> > There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events
> per
> > weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)
> >
> > If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
> (Christmas,
> > Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings
> the
> > number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
> >
> > The breakdown is :
> >
> > 25 weekends with only 1 event
> > 14 weekends with 2 events
> > 4 weekends with 3 events
> > 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
> >
> > This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
> have 3
> > or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
> events
> > scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
> event
> > or 2.
> >
> -- snip --
> > Ansgar
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------
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From PKieferjr at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 19:42:25 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:42:25 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 5:33:15 PM Central Daylight Time, 
mtucker at airmail.net writes:
How did you get from that, to "seriously considering reviving the 
"principality" dead horse"? True, each piece of a divided kingdom would 
have fewer events on its calendar; we have somewhat that situation 
already, with the kingdom calendar deputy charged to prevent 
conflicting events within each region. But will that solve the 
over-riding problem (as restated above)? I don't think so. Limiting 
events by region hasn't helped to unclutter the calendar or improve the 
quality of our events, so how would dividing the kingdom help?

Yours,
Michael Silverhands
I'm basically looking at this as "we've become overwhelmed that we can't do 
things efficiently or effectively within the current structure without coming 
up short somewhere", so we add another layer of sorts.  One would have to 
acknowledge that someone can't be everywhere they'd like to be (i.e., Crown, et. 
al.), so another layer, in the form of a coronet principality, delegated certain 
duties when the monarchy cannot be there in person.  Sort of like a 
"stand-in" (although a noble is supposed to do this as well).

Take a look at the number of groups overall. Unless I'm in error, that's 41 
total.  Is this an unusually high number for any kingdom?  Did other kingdoms 
run into this "overpopulation" problem?  It reminds me a lot of the fact that 
our planet is home to 6 billion people, and that affects practically 
everything.  This appears to be one of those effects:  A metric buttload of SCA'ers (a 
Good Thing (TM), but a logistical nightmare).  How many kingdoms are there now? 
 I think I've lost track, but you get the idea.  The Kingdom itself may have 
grown too big to be handled in a official monarchial capacity as one undivided 
unit.

41 groups, 39 available weekends.  Still sounds like we've grown rather big.  
May be time to beat that dead horse again.

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 19:45:02 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:45:02 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
References: <28.3c64a3db.2c74185d@aol.com>
	<010401c366cc$5bd01170$19c11f43@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <004401c366c5$0f46e240$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Well, once that thing is read into law, it's like a heat seeking missile.
That's a good thing.  Those precious scribes put in far too much work on
those scroll to let them go to waste.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Chipman" <cchipman at nomadics.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)


> Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
> (Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either
Comets,
> Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.
>
> Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
>
>
> > In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time,
> > agillilan at swbell.net writes:
> >
> > >
> > > Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you
do
> not
> > > recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.
> Anytime
> > > a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in
> award
> > > recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It
> doesn't
> > > matter that it's not "our" event.
> > >
> > > Gilyan
> > > Shire of Mooneschadowe
> > >
> >
> > True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what
> about
> > the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any
> event.
> > Pieter
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:02:23 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:02:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c366c7$7c1853c0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

>From where I stand; though dark, dank and there seems to be a foul smell in
the air (Ooops, sorry), I think things are going fine.  Which means if it
ain't broke, don't fix it.  However, should we have an area or region that
has become all they can be as that area or region, and they and the
resulting split would both meet Kingdom status, I'd say COOL.  However,
there's a bunch of IF in there.

Thing is, folks WANT to be ANSTEORRAN.  Go figure.  :)

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <PKieferjr at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> In a message dated 8/19/2003 5:33:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
> mtucker at airmail.net writes:
> How did you get from that, to "seriously considering reviving the
> "principality" dead horse"? True, each piece of a divided kingdom would
> have fewer events on its calendar; we have somewhat that situation
> already, with the kingdom calendar deputy charged to prevent
> conflicting events within each region. But will that solve the
> over-riding problem (as restated above)? I don't think so. Limiting
> events by region hasn't helped to unclutter the calendar or improve the
> quality of our events, so how would dividing the kingdom help?
>
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands
> I'm basically looking at this as "we've become overwhelmed that we can't
do
> things efficiently or effectively within the current structure without
coming
> up short somewhere", so we add another layer of sorts.  One would have to
> acknowledge that someone can't be everywhere they'd like to be (i.e.,
Crown, et.
> al.), so another layer, in the form of a coronet principality, delegated
certain
> duties when the monarchy cannot be there in person.  Sort of like a
> "stand-in" (although a noble is supposed to do this as well).
>
> Take a look at the number of groups overall. Unless I'm in error, that's
41
> total.  Is this an unusually high number for any kingdom?  Did other
kingdoms
> run into this "overpopulation" problem?  It reminds me a lot of the fact
that
> our planet is home to 6 billion people, and that affects practically
> everything.  This appears to be one of those effects:  A metric buttload
of SCA'ers (a
> Good Thing (TM), but a logistical nightmare).  How many kingdoms are there
now?
>  I think I've lost track, but you get the idea.  The Kingdom itself may
have
> grown too big to be handled in a official monarchial capacity as one
undivided
> unit.
>
> 41 groups, 39 available weekends.  Still sounds like we've grown rather
big.
> May be time to beat that dead horse again.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
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From ferret at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:16:38 2003
From: ferret at hot.rr.com (Paul DeLisle)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:16:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <01c901c366ae$091d1770$982222d1@theparents>
Message-ID: <CCEDJGIDBGOMKABAAKMBAEMDECAA.ferret@hot.rr.com>

> > 25 weekends with only 1 event
> > 14 weekends with 2 events
> > 4 weekends with 3 events
> > 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.

...looking up at the banners, blowing in the breeze; 
and remembering what we're here for:

...PRICELESS...

In Service, I remain
Alden Pharamond
Tempio, Ansteorra




From jerryn at houston.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:18:52 2003
From: jerryn at houston.rr.com (Gerald Norris)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:18:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <200308200045.h7K0jRa09598@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <IOEKLKKIAMOLDFPOJHJPAEFKCGAA.jerryn@houston.rr.com>

A little while ago, Gilli said something like:

> I think that is a wonderful question.
>
> In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
> only two?
>
> Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?
>
> If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all
> three) that
> would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
>
> Gilli

Alas, Gilli, you have discovered the secret plot of all baronies, and so the
tickling hamsters must be summoned.

"Bring out the Hamsters!"

*In the background an odd strain of music reminiscent of "Thus Spake
Zarathustra" but probably a little tinnier can be heard as a low bass thud
that is more tactile than audible and a rumble that reminds you of the day
the whole class had the bean salad and what a noise THAT was but it's mixed
with the grinding of stone and finally creaks to a stop and the silence is
thick enough to swim through and then you hear -
the heart-sickening double-thud -
and the eerie deep chittering -
as two large bundles of fur start lolloping toward you*

In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
HL Gerald of Leesville
Ravenskald of Ravensfort
A bard of Stargate
Kingdom Ansteorra



From DonPieter at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 20:30:35 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:30:35 EDT
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
Message-ID: <65.1772554f.2c74455b@aol.com>

Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry an AoA did I not?  The 
comet,thistle and AoA are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local awards that carry 
AoA's. ie The Firebrand of Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
Pieter


In a message dated 8/19/2003 9:39:52 PM Central Standard Time, 
cchipman at nomadics.com writes:

> Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
> (Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either Comets,
> Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.
> 
> Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
> 
> 
> >In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time,
> >agillilan at swbell.net writes:
> >
> >>
> >>Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do
> not
> >>recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.
> Anytime
> >>a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in
> award
> >>recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It
> doesn't
> >>matter that it's not "our" event.
> >>
> >>Gilyan
> >>Shire of Mooneschadowe
> >>
> >
> >True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what
> about
> >the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any
> event.
> >Pieter
> >_______________________________________________



From ferret at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:37:19 2003
From: ferret at hot.rr.com (Paul DeLisle)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:37:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <IOEKLKKIAMOLDFPOJHJPAEFKCGAA.jerryn@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CCEDJGIDBGOMKABAAKMBMEMEECAA.ferret@hot.rr.com>

> > If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all
> > three) that
> > would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
> > Gilli
>
> Alas, Gilli, you have discovered the secret plot of all baronies,
> and so the tickling hamsters must be summoned.
> "Bring out the Hamsters!"
>
> *In the background an odd strain of music reminiscent of "Thus Spake
> Zarathustra" but probably a little tinnier can be heard as a low bass thud
> that is more tactile than audible and a rumble that reminds you of the day
> the whole class had the bean salad and what a noise THAT was but
> it's mixed
> with the grinding of stone and finally creaks to a stop and the silence is
> thick enough to swim through and then you hear -
> the heart-sickening double-thud -
> and the eerie deep chittering -
> as two large bundles of fur start lolloping toward you*
>
> In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
> HL Gerald of Leesville
> Ravenskald of Ravensfort
> A bard of Stargate
> Kingdom Ansteorra

...*not* normally a "Me, too" kinda guy...but...
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You rock!
(B.T.W...    ME, TOO!)

In Service, I remain
Alden Pharamond
Tempio, Ansteorra

(WELL DONE, m'Lord!)




From philipwhite at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 20:38:14 2003
From: philipwhite at hotmail.com (Craig Shupee')
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:38:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Surprise Court in Barn
Message-ID: <20030819223814.A1484@stardock.pug.net>

Greetings Ansteorrans and Dancers!

As enthusiastic people from the Known World were arranging the floor at 
Pennsic for dance ? clearing away tables and sweeping away debris ? one 
Ansteorran was preparing to organize dance.  Meanwhile ? those Ansteorrans 
at Pennsic where gathering en masse.  Rumors had already been spread that 
the Ansteorran Crown was going to make a confident display of Royalty by 
making a special presentation to a member of their populous.

The Royal Progress began at the Ansteorran camp.  Preceded by Their heralds 
bearing the proud banners of the Kingdom, His Majesty Ulsted the Unsteady 
and Her Majesty Cateau D?Ardennes led their subjects forth through the lands 
of Pennsic in full regalia.  Each member of their populous clothed in some 
of their best court garb.  Every witness of this regal Progress bowed low in 
respect for this potent display of community and society.

As the mass of Ansteorrans appeared at the barn where dance was about to 
commence, they were able to surprise Lady Lowrie Leulyn as she was 
discussing which dances to prepare for with the musicians.  Startled by the 
gathering of Ansteorrans lead by the Crown, I think that Lowrie was slightly 
dumbstruck.  Suddenly, Court had been opened and the Crown was announcing 
their respect for Lowrie.  Her Majesty Cateau eloquently addressed her 
kingdom and the lurking dancers of Lowrie?s deeds.  Swiftly, the Crown had 
appeared and recognized Lady Lowrie with a Sable Thistle in the Field of 
Dance.  This all happening while surrounded by her peers and friends of the 
Known World.

It was certainly a magical and thrilling way to begin the evening dancing.  
This show of respect and commitment is greatly appreciated because the Crown 
and the Kingdom went to special efforts so that this could happen.

I personally extend my gratitude to the Crown and the Kingdom ? for Their 
support of a dancer and of the dance community.

Your Servant to Command,
Philip White

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From chiang at odsy.net  Tue Aug 19 20:38:38 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:38:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs
References: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401c366cc$8b6b9170$4750cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

I have one of those type chairs. Won it at Passe deArms in Adlersruhe a few
years ago. They are pretty neat chairs. My young daughter promptly claimed
it and calls it her clothes pin chair.
Come to Gothic Wars on Labor Day weekend and I will show you mine <G>
HE Chiang, who never passes up a chance to plug Gothic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Masters" <celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>; <Bordermarch at ansteorra.org>;
<coastal at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 6:33 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs


> Once a few years back at an event for the Barony of the Lonely Tower (
> Omaha, Nebraska ).  I had seen a two piece chair they called a Viking
> Traveling Chair.  It came in two parts, the seat part would slide into a
> grove into the chair back part.  It would then lean back some so that one
> could sit at almost a recline position.  I am just trying to see if any
one
> has any pics or blue prints on how to make them.  I have tried looking on
> the net & have not found what I am looking for.  So any help from any one
> would be greatly appreiciated.  Thank you one & all...
>
> In Service to the Dream
> Lord Morgan Lucktain
> A & S Officer or Barony Bordermarch
> Quartermaster of the Pyrate Shiphold Posiedons' Fury





From lyonsden19 at att.net  Tue Aug 19 22:41:14 2003
From: lyonsden19 at att.net (William E. Lyon)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:41:14 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <00f601c366cc$117c82c0$19c11f43@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <KPEIIPINJLHKDOMBKHBOGEHACCAA.lyonsden19@att.net>


should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?

Uilleam, who just usually lurks
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Carl Chipman
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:35 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


Have you added in the following events:

Gulf Wars
Pennsic
Estrella
Lillies
Diamond Wars

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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 20:52:01 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:52:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Wars RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <KPEIIPINJLHKDOMBKHBOGEHACCAA.lyonsden19@att.net>
Message-ID: <20030820035201.54929.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>



"William E. Lyon" <lyonsden19 at att.net> wrote: 

>should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?

>Uilleam, who just usually lurks


>Have you added in the following events:

>Gulf Wars

We are principals in this war...so we better have it on our calander

>Pennsic

This is like the SCA World Wide convention...it behooves  us to have as large as presence there as possible...


>Estrella

We have a treaty with Calontir to fight with them at this war...so they will fight with us at Gulf War...

>Lillies


Haven't made it to this one...but I've heard that it is a really fun war...

>Diamond Wars

A war that is fun....and near by (in Arkansas)

Lorraine Deerslayer




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From maaggie3 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 19 20:52:29 2003
From: maaggie3 at comcast.net (Lisa A. May)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:52:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEECEGADEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>
Message-ID: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>

Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!

While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out that
all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of scheduled
events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming events
are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the next
twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .

Margaret

****************************************
Countess Margaret ny Connor
Barony of the Steppes
Kingdom of Ansteorra
****************************************

"And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink as
friends."  W. Shakespeare.

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income

<snip>

My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the sky
is falling in!"

<much, much snippage>

::GUNNVOR::

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From lyonsden19 at att.net  Tue Aug 19 22:56:23 2003
From: lyonsden19 at att.net (William E. Lyon)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:56:23 -0700
Subject: Wars RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030820035201.54929.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KPEIIPINJLHKDOMBKHBOIEHBCCAA.lyonsden19@att.net>

yes on the calendar, but not considered as congestion

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of L T
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:52 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Wars RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?




"William E. Lyon" <lyonsden19 at att.net> wrote:

>should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?

>Uilleam, who just usually lurks


>Have you added in the following events:

>Gulf Wars

We are principals in this war...so we better have it on our calander

>Pennsic

This is like the SCA World Wide convention...it behooves  us to have as
large as presence there as possible...


>Estrella

We have a treaty with Calontir to fight with them at this war...so they will
fight with us at Gulf War...

>Lillies


Haven't made it to this one...but I've heard that it is a really fun war...

>Diamond Wars

A war that is fun....and near by (in Arkansas)

Lorraine Deerslayer




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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 20:59:03 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:59:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually Viking Chairs
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEIEGEDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>
Message-ID: <20030820035903.34504.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>



"C. L. Ward" <gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com> wrote:
>Firstly, these are not Viking chairs by any stretch of the imagination. How
>the two board, non-period camp chairs got to be called "Viking chairs"
>involves the general evolution of "folk understandings" in the SCA.

Another name for them is "African Birthing Chairs"

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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Tue Aug 19 22:02:27 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:02:27 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
References: <65.1772554f.2c74455b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <020801c366d8$41806b10$19c11f43@nomadics.com>

Oops, sorry about misunderstanding.  I've always lived in a shire, so was
not thinking of those awards and circumstances.  However, the Baronies still
will have TWO events to give the award out at...

Jean Paul



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>; <cchipman at nomadics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)


> Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry an AoA did I not?  The
> comet,thistle and AoA are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local awards
that carry
> AoA's. ie The Firebrand of Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
> Pieter
>
>
> In a message dated 8/19/2003 9:39:52 PM Central Standard Time,
> cchipman at nomadics.com writes:
>
> > Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
> > (Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either
Comets,
> > Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.
> >
> > Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)
> >



From IagoAH at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 21:09:59 2003
From: IagoAH at aol.com (IagoAH@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:09:59 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <14f.22bef79f.2c744e97@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/03 9:42:29 PM Central Daylight Time, gilli at hot.rr.com 
writes:


> Diamond Wars???
> 
> Where and when is that??
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.

September or October, I think, in Arkansas.

Iago


From edrei at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 21:10:29 2003
From: edrei at earthlink.net (David  Backlin)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:10:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] 10 DAYS!!
Message-ID: <028301c366d1$018b24c0$2b50be3f@gateway>

Only 10 more days until the Shire of Smythkepe presents Mid Summer Knight's
Dream XI: the War of the Roses.

We've got a lot planned and hopefully something for everyone:


A&S Competitions

For beginners, or those create works only for fun, we offer the Red Rose
Category. Documentation welcome, but not necessary. Entries will be
available for populace voting from 11am to 5pm on Saturday.

Have you made a period garment or armor? Do you have a well researched game
or other handmade creation? Do you have the explanations and documentation
to demonstrate your craft to others? For you, we offer the White Rose
Category. Entries will reviewed by experienced judges who can give your
effort its due. Entries need to be at the judging table by 11:30.

Children can have their talents displayed too, by showing their artwork or
things made in your very own Rosebud Category! This is not a competition and
all childrens entries will receive a participation token.


Classes:
We have a wide variety of classes being held from Waterbearing 101,
Experimenting with Period Pigment Paints, Feastocrating 101, an introduction
to the Bardic Arts (by Gleann Abhann's Principality Bard Lady Alina nic
Bhaird !!)
and much more (including COGA approved classes).

Fighting activities include:
Heavy Fighting:
Midnight Boffer Dagger Duel
Tourney of Arms (featuring The Wheel of Death)
Loot Tourney
Battle of the Roses -
Woodland Battle, Bridge Battle, much more, including a Fledgling Tourney
(authorized 18 months or less)

Light Fighting:
Duelist tourney (an ongoing tourney for the weekend)
Burning deck tourney
Torchlight fights
Favor Tourney. Entrants must bear a favor to participate)
and so much more.

There will also be a Children's Boffer Dagger tourney (details to be
announced on site), as well as Youth Combat.

If nothing else, come shop the merchants and enjoy our feast ;)

Our MSKD Website has lots more information (including the Feast Menu).

http://www.smythkeeptavern.org/


We hope to see everyone there!!!



Ld Edrei the Quiet (mka David Backlin)
Merchant-crat  Mid Summer Knight's Dream XI
August 29-Sept 1 2003
Shire of Smythkepe





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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 21:12:04 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030819183639.A30079@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <20030820041204.57932.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>

I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something else...
 
A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if you have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> wrote:
Lisa Duke (arabella at elfsea.net) said something that sounded like:
> Be very careful what you say Master Pug. Why should you dread going to an
> event because of "business being done"?

Because of the old motto.

When you stop having fun, stop doing it.

The Peers of the Realm do a lot more "business" than what is seen at
the King's Round Table. There is more "business" to the game of the
SCA than what the officers do. Just ask the Laurels about judging
sometime.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase | "And I ain't in it for the power
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra | And I ain't in it for my health
Dark Horde Moritu | I ain't in it for the glory of anything at all
pug at pug.net | And I sure ain't in it for the wealth" --Meatloaf
Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.
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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 21:13:35 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:13:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <14f.22bef79f.2c744e97@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030820041335.60925.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com>

Unfortunately it is always the same weekend as Raven's Fort's Defender event!!!
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

IagoAH at aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/03 9:42:29 PM Central Daylight Time, gilli at hot.rr.com 
writes:


> Diamond Wars???
> 
> Where and when is that??
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.

September or October, I think, in Arkansas.

Iago
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From PKieferjr at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 21:24:52 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:24:52 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <103.348660e2.2c745214@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 10:42:26 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lyonsden19 at att.net writes:
should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?
Considering the amount of attendence by Ansteorrans, that would be a big 
hearty "YES".

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 19 22:28:50 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw@titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:28:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1061357330.3f430712a2e59@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Yes, those numbers were for the twelve months starting in the current month, 
which is why I used the term

Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:

> Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
> 
> While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
> that
> all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
> scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
> scheduled
> events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
> events
> are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
> next
> twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
> 
> Margaret
> 
> ****************************************
> Countess Margaret ny Connor
> Barony of the Steppes
> Kingdom of Ansteorra
> ****************************************
> 
> "And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink
> as
> friends."  W. Shakespeare.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
> 
> <snip>
> 
> My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the
> sky
> is falling in!"
> 
> <much, much snippage>
> 
> ::GUNNVOR::
> 
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From DonnelShaw at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 22:39:01 2003
From: DonnelShaw at aol.com (DonnelShaw@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:39:01 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually Viking Chairs
Message-ID: <135.2400e773.2c746375@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 11:01:24 PM Central Standard Time, 
ldeerslayer at yahoo.com writes:

> Another name for them is "African Birthing Chairs"
> 
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
> 
> 

Now that is a scary idea. Keeping balanced and giving birth at the same time. 


From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 22:39:57 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:39:57 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events
In-Reply-To: <200308200402.h7K42ua15485@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEMEGHDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

> Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry
> an AoA did I not?  The  comet,thistle and AoA
> are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local
> awards that carry AoA's. ie The Firebrand of
>Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
> Pieter

Pieter, not all local awards carry AoAs.  The Bjornsborg Firebrands, at
least when they started, did not, although the Ursae Majoris and later the
Ursae Australis did. A barony can have as many (or as few) nonarmigerous
awards as they want.

And, as for what you do about local awards you'd like to give at these
non-calendar events, is the Crown can read 'em into law at any Crown court -
for which one does not have to have the whole kingdom present.  I'd think
that the Crown could summon a few witnesses into Their camp a little ahead
of Group X's noncalendar event, open Their Court, read the scrolls into law,
Close Court, and send the awards via messenger (or FedEx, etc.) to Group X
to be duly presented with much publich hoorah and rejoicing at the
non-calendar event.

But, honest-to-goshen, "having an event so we can give out awards" has gotta
be the worst reason for holding an event I have ever heard in my life.  The
awards can't be all we're here for... surely some folks have got to be doing
cool stuff in the SCA because they think it's neat, or fun, etc.  Awards are
the cherry set atop the ice cream and hot fudge on the sundae... nice, but
not, after all, what you paid $3 for at the Dairy Queen.

On a related but slightly tangent topic, one thing that just kind of took me
by surprise the other day was hearing that some people got offended if they
didn't get their awards in evening court because they felt that somehow they
had been given less of an honor.  By my lights, an award given to me doesn't
mean that I have had an Honor!! bestowed upon me by the Crown (though that
is part of it).  Rather, the Big Deal of an award is that friends,
colleages, and other people doing some of the same stuff I do in the SCA
thought I was doing something neat enough for recognition.  The Crown may or
may not really know every person to whom They grant an award... but the
Crown does know that the person being given the award has in some way
impressed the people who recommended the recipient for that award.

I personally enjoy it when the Crown convenes court on the listfield, or at
the archery range, or on the dancefloor, and grants an award to a person
witnessed by the members of that person's SCA community... We may each live
in a given barony or shire or canton, but each of has one or more
"communities" with whom we play, be it chivalric combat, A&S, archery,
equestrian, rapier, the kitchen crew, etc. and I feel it is very special to
get an award in some of these "communities" with the folks we play with in
these venues witnessing, at least or even more special than it is to get one
in one's local SCA group's big evening court.

Over last weekend, I heard the opinion voiced that compared to some other
kingdoms, Ansteorra gives out "too many" awards and that consequently
they're not as highly valued here as they might be elsewhere.  That was a
very different belief than one I'd ever encountered, but it was one that
made me think.  I do have to giggle when I envision the chaos and riot that
would ensue if it were suddenly announced that half of the awards currently
given in Ansteorra were to be permanently retired and that the remaining
ones would be given out half as often than before...  but certainly it would
make courts shorter, and you wouldn't have to worry about no awards being
given at noncalendar events, lol!

::GUNNVOR::

Insomnia.  *sigh* It leads to waxing elephants.




From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 19 22:44:56 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw@titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:44:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1061358296.3f430ad8a1c96@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Apologies for that last post.

Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current month, 
which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>

As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella, Pennsic, etc 
as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals (like 
Gulf War)

For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :

(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know there were 
some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers down.  The 
Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)

83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events per 
weekend.
If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events over 43 
weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.

Breakdown by number of events per weekend :

5 weekends - no events
19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
21 weekends - 2 events
6 weekends - 3 events
1 weekend - 4 events

I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the Blackstars I 
have readily available, if needed<G>

We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.

Ansgar
(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)


Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:

> Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
> 
> While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
> that
> all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
> scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
> scheduled
> events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
> events
> are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
> next
> twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
> 
> Margaret
> 
> ****************************************
> Countess Margaret ny Connor
> Barony of the Steppes
> Kingdom of Ansteorra
> ****************************************
> 
> "And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink
> as
> friends."  W. Shakespeare.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
> 
> <snip>
> 
> My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the
> sky
> is falling in!"
> 
> <much, much snippage>
> 
> ::GUNNVOR::
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> 
> 
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From Reihla at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 23:15:41 2003
From: Reihla at aol.com (Reihla@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:15:41 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
Message-ID: <104.34a2d56d.2c746c0d@aol.com>

> why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
> only two?
> Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?

I have to say that, for the most part, the idea of a barony hosting a local 
event to raise money is a myth.  I don't know about other groups, but 
Wiesenfeuer typically breaks even or makes a few hundred on local events.  Our coffers 
are healthy, yes, but that's really mostly from *years* of making a few 
hundred dollars on one event per year.  Our events are usually very well attended 
(we average @250-300 at baronial and @150 for our Yule event).  Our baronial 
event usually makes just enough to cover our expenses, plus pay for site (which 
charges us per person) and any consumables that are needed for the event.  When 
we found ourselves actually making money on the event we spent more money to 
make things more comfortable for folks (renting the pool, investing in misting 
systems, etc.).  Our December event makes a little money, but we find it is 
better to drop the site fee because it allows more people to attend.    

That's not to say that I think making money is a bad thing.  We've got 
ongoing expenses like meeting space, upkeep on storage, upgrading and repairing 
baronial property, new regalia, prizes, etc. that cost.  Nice that we can raise a 
little money to cover those things.

I've played in both a moderately sized barony and a small shire (well, it was 
small when *I* was there).  My experience leads me to believe that baronies 
were given one more event per year because of their larger populaces (one more 
court to allow recognition for the extra people).  I wasn't there when the 
decision was made, though, so that's just a guess.  Besides, baronies worked hard 
to attain that status.  I don't think I'd be alone to suggest that perhaps 
they might have earned a few extras for their effort (nobles to represent them 
to the Crown, an extra date on the calendar, etc.).  If shires want the perks 
they can do the work it takes to grow and petition for elevation in status.

It's worth noting that Wiesenfeuer already dropped it's third event last year 
for a couple of reasons:  one, we wanted to bid for Kingdom events and 
couldn't seem to scrape up the enthusiasm or the staff and, two, we were running 
into burn-out from our core working members and, three, we had a new canton that 
wanted to sponsor an event and we preferred to focus our energies on helping 
them.    

Kat  >^.,.^<




From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 23:39:52 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:39:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>
References: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F4317B8.2080700@earthlink.net>

PKieferjr at aol.com wrote:

> Take a look at the number of groups overall. Unless I'm in error, that's 41 
> total.  Is this an unusually high number for any kingdom?  Did other kingdoms 
> run into this "overpopulation" problem?  It reminds me a lot of the fact that 
> our planet is home to 6 billion people, and that affects practically 
> everything.  This appears to be one of those effects:  A metric buttload of SCA'ers (a 
> Good Thing (TM), but a logistical nightmare).  How many kingdoms are there now? 
>  I think I've lost track, but you get the idea.  The Kingdom itself may have 
> grown too big to be handled in a official monarchial capacity as one undivided 
> unit.

There are currently 17 kingdoms.  According to each kingdom's web page 
(which may not be up-to-date, but should be close enough for your 
question), they have the following groups.

As for number of events, the standard seems to be 1-3 events per 
weekend; An Tir has the most, with 7 events scheduled for this coming 
weekend.


An Tir
Principality of Avacal
	3 baronies, 4 cantons, 6 shires
Principality of the Summits
	2 baronies, 1 canton, 8 shires
Principality of Tir Righ
	2 baronies, 16 shires, 1 port, 1 college
Central An Tir (not in a principality)
	8 baronies, 4 cantons, 12 shires, 4 colleges


Ansteorra
Central Region
	2 baronies, 4 cantons, 2 shires, 1 college
Coastal Region
	3 baronies, 2 cantons, 4 shires, 1 college
Northern Region
	4 baronies, 2 cantons, 3 shires
Southern Region
	3 baronies, 1 canton, 5 shires
Western Region
	1 barony, 5 shires


Artemisia
4 baronies, 14 shires, 1 college


Atenveldt
6 baronies, 8 shires, 1 march, 3 colleges


Atlantia
16 baronies, 20 cantons, 10 shires, 2 colleges, 1 stronghold


AEthelmearc
Region 1
	1 barony, 3 shires
Region 2
	1 barony, 1 canton, 4 shires, 1 college
Region 3
	2 baronies, 1 canton, 2 shires
Region 4
	2 baronies, 2 cantons, 2 shires
Region 5
	1 barony, 3 shires, 1 dominion, 1 stronghold


Caid
11 baronies, 13 cantons, 6 shires, 7 colleges, 1 pagus


Calontir
6 baronies, 4 cantons, 20 shires, 3 colleges, 1 stronghold


Drachenwald
web site didn't respond


Ealdomere
5 baronies, 14 cantons, 5 shires, 1 college, 1 stronghold


East
Northern Shores Region
	2 baronies, 8 cantons, 4 shires, 1 port
Northern Region
	1 barony, 8 shires, 1 province
Central Region
	6 baronies, 10 cantons, 6 shires
Southern Region
	4 baronies, 9 cantons, 11 shires, 1 crown province, 1 bailiwick


Lochac
10 baronies, 8 cantons, 8 shires, 9 colleges


Middle
(As an aside, the Middle's Seneschal has *20* deputies!)
Region of Constellation
	3 baronies, 11 shires
Region of Midlands
	4 baronies, 10 shires, 1 college, 1 province
Principality of Northshield (has 3 regions)
	5 baronies, 2 cantons, 22 shires, 3 colleges
Region of Oaken
	6 baronies, 10 cantons, 14 shires, 3 colleges
Region of Pentamere
	4 baronies, 9 cantons, 9 shires, 1 riding
	

Meridies
9 baronies, 2 cantons, 49 shires, 1 college


Outlands
4 baronies, 2 cantons, 16 shires, 7 colleges


Trimaris
3 baronies, 2 cantons, 18 shires, 1 college, 1 stronghold


West
Principality of the Mists
	2 baronies, 4 cantons, 7 shires, 2 collges, 1 province
Principality of Cynagua
	2 baronies, 14 shires, 1 college, 1 province
Principality of Oertha
	3 baronies, 1 canton, 1 college
The Marches (not in a principality)
	2 baronies, 2 palatine baronies, 2 cantons, 2 shires, 1 college, 3 
strongholds, 1 vale



--Perronnelle

-- 
Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.  -- Steven Wright



From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 23:41:17 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:41:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3F43180D.6010807@earthlink.net>

Lisa A. May wrote:

> While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out that
> all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
> scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of scheduled
> events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming events
> are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the next
> twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .

If anyone want so to run the numbers, here's the raw data:

01/05/02	ce	Steppes	Twelfth Night
01/05/02	co	Westgate	Winter Collegium
01/12/02	w	Crossrode Keep	Coronation
01/19/02	w	Bonwicke	Twelfth Night
01/19/02	ce	Emerald Keep	Academy of the Rapier
01/19/02	n	Northkeep	Winterkingdom
01/19/02	co	Seawinds	Siege of the Abbey
01/26/02	s	Middleford	Ice Axe
01/26/02	ce	Steppes	Queens
02/02/02	w	Adlersruhe	Bards & Arts
02/02/02	s	Bryn Gwlad	Candlemas
02/09/02	ce	Elfsea	Baronial College
02/09/02	co	Gates Edge	Pestilence Ball
02/16/02	co	La Marche S	Black Stag
02/16/02	ce	Lindenwood	Border Wars
02/23/02	s	Bjornsborg	Ransom Tourney
02/23/02	n	Wiesenfeuer	Mead Bee War
03/02/02	ce	Three Bridges	Kings Round Table
03/23/02	w	Bonwicke	Crown
03/30/02	ce	Emerald Keep	Tournament of Emeralds
04/06/02	ce	Elfsea	Spring Faire
04/06/02	co	Greywood	Guardian o/t Gauntlet
04/13/02	co	Gates Edge	Academy of the Bow
04/13/02	s	Tempio	Hero of the Temple
04/20/02	co	Bordermarch	Baronial
04/20/02	s	Ffynnon Gath	Highland Games
04/27/02	w	Bonwicke	Champions de la Croix
04/27/02	s	Ravens Fort	A Day at the Court
04/27/02	n	Wastelands	Wasteland Games
05/04/02	n	Brad Leah	Conquest
05/04/02	co	Stargate	Squires & Cadets
05/11/02	w	Mendersham	Defender
05/11/02	n	Namron	Beltane Games
05/18/02	n	Eldern Hills	Eldern
05/18/02	co	Loch Soilleir	Loch Guardian
05/25/02	ce	Steppes	Warlord
06/01/02	n	Northkeep	Castellan
06/01/02	co	Stone Bridge	Golden Arrow
06/08/02	w	Adlersruhe	Passe de Armes
06/08/02	ce	Rosenfeld	Defender
06/15/02	w	Crossrode Keep	Sundered Shield
06/15/02	ce	Lindenwood	Midsummer Masque
06/22/02	n	Namron	Kings College
06/29/02	ce	Dragonsfire T	Guardian of the Tor
06/29/02	co	Gates Edge	Midsummer Faire
07/06/02	n	Mooneschadowe	Heraldic Scribal Symp
07/13/02	s	Middleford	Coronation
07/20/02	ce	Rosenfeld	Kings Round Table
07/27/02	co	Greywood	Queens
08/03/02	s	Shadowlands	Anniversary
08/10/02	ce	Loch Ruadh	Lughnasad
08/24/02	ce	Steppes	Artisan
08/31/02	w	Trelac	Gothic Wars
08/31/02	n	Wiesenfeuer	Baronial
09/07/02	co	Greywood	Battle of the Pines
09/07/02	n	Mooneschadowe	Guardian
09/14/02	s	Middleford	Warchief/Cav o/t Brid
09/14/02	co	Stargate	Baronial
09/21/02	ce	Glaslyn	Defender
09/21/02	s	Ravens Fort	Defender
09/28/02	ce	Elfsea	Defender
09/28/02	n	Wastelands	Defender
10/05/02	co	Greywood	Laurel Prize Tourney
10/12/02	s	Bryn Gwlad	Fall Event / Baronial
10/12/02	n	Namron	Protectorate
10/19/02	s	Bjornsborg	Tournament of Heroes
10/19/02	w	Blacklake	Sentinel
10/26/02	n	Eldern Hills	Samhain
10/26/02	s	Tempio	Tourney o/t 5 Pillars
11/02/02	co	Stargate	Crown
11/09/02	ce	Rosenfeld	Three Kings
11/09/02	w	Trelac	Melee & Mayhem
11/16/02	co	Bordermarch	Melees
11/16/02	n	Rundel	Margrave/Vormund
11/23/02	ce	Emerald Keep	Hunters Moon
11/23/02	co	Gates Edge	Cour de l'Armour
12/07/02	s	Bjornsborg	?
12/07/02	s	Bryn Gwlad	Yule Revel
12/07/02	co	Loch Soilleir	Yule Revel
12/07/02	co	Seawinds	Defender
12/07/02	n	Wiesenfeuer	Yule Revel
12/14/02	ce	Dragonsfire T	Yule Revel
12/14/02	co	Stargate	Yule Revel
12/28/02	co	La Marche S	Golden Hart


--Perronnelle

-- 
Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.  -- Steven Wright



From gudze at pagancow.org  Wed Aug 20 00:08:37 2003
From: gudze at pagancow.org (Gudze O'Domhnaill)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:08:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events
References: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEMEGHDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>
Message-ID: <02cf01c366ea$57a027c0$420496ac@genji>

I had not heard that Ansteorran awards were sometimes viewed as less
meaningful because of their frequency, but this does not terribly surprise
me.

I am not one to judge the merits of all persons receiving an award,
armigerous or otherwise... But I would certainly concur that awards given
with less frequency tend to be more highly-valued.

As a bearer of no awards, I can say that I would be much more excited to
earn an award that isn't frequently awarded than on that is given to
everyone who meets a certain requirement of exceptional service. (Again, I'm
not saying that's how it is now, just making an example.) For example, I
would love to be the Employee of the Month, but I'd love even more to be
Employee of the Year. I'd be happy with the former, but truly excited about
the latter.

It is my humble opinion that nonarmigerous awards should make up the vast
majority of those awarded. Additionally, I might set a soft approximation of
how many of a certain award I wish to present at a given event or in a given
month/year ("soft" because I wouldn't exclude someone who was deserving
simply because I hit that number). That would help maintain the relative
value of, and prestige associated with, a given award.

Humble Regards,
Gudze O'Domhnaill

P.S. I will be weighing in on the event number issue, after I catch up on
reading everyone else's replies. :)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C. L. Ward" <gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 00:39
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events


> > Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry
> > an AoA did I not?  The  comet,thistle and AoA
> > are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local
> > awards that carry AoA's. ie The Firebrand of
> >Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
> > Pieter
>
> Pieter, not all local awards carry AoAs.  The Bjornsborg Firebrands, at
> least when they started, did not, although the Ursae Majoris and later the
> Ursae Australis did. A barony can have as many (or as few) nonarmigerous
> awards as they want.
>
> And, as for what you do about local awards you'd like to give at these
> non-calendar events, is the Crown can read 'em into law at any Crown
court -
> for which one does not have to have the whole kingdom present.  I'd think
> that the Crown could summon a few witnesses into Their camp a little ahead
> of Group X's noncalendar event, open Their Court, read the scrolls into
law,
> Close Court, and send the awards via messenger (or FedEx, etc.) to Group X
> to be duly presented with much publich hoorah and rejoicing at the
> non-calendar event.
>
> But, honest-to-goshen, "having an event so we can give out awards" has
gotta
> be the worst reason for holding an event I have ever heard in my life.
The
> awards can't be all we're here for... surely some folks have got to be
doing
> cool stuff in the SCA because they think it's neat, or fun, etc.  Awards
are
> the cherry set atop the ice cream and hot fudge on the sundae... nice, but
> not, after all, what you paid $3 for at the Dairy Queen.
>
> On a related but slightly tangent topic, one thing that just kind of took
me
> by surprise the other day was hearing that some people got offended if
they
> didn't get their awards in evening court because they felt that somehow
they
> had been given less of an honor.  By my lights, an award given to me
doesn't
> mean that I have had an Honor!! bestowed upon me by the Crown (though that
> is part of it).  Rather, the Big Deal of an award is that friends,
> colleages, and other people doing some of the same stuff I do in the SCA
> thought I was doing something neat enough for recognition.  The Crown may
or
> may not really know every person to whom They grant an award... but the
> Crown does know that the person being given the award has in some way
> impressed the people who recommended the recipient for that award.
>
> I personally enjoy it when the Crown convenes court on the listfield, or
at
> the archery range, or on the dancefloor, and grants an award to a person
> witnessed by the members of that person's SCA community... We may each
live
> in a given barony or shire or canton, but each of has one or more
> "communities" with whom we play, be it chivalric combat, A&S, archery,
> equestrian, rapier, the kitchen crew, etc. and I feel it is very special
to
> get an award in some of these "communities" with the folks we play with in
> these venues witnessing, at least or even more special than it is to get
one
> in one's local SCA group's big evening court.
>
> Over last weekend, I heard the opinion voiced that compared to some other
> kingdoms, Ansteorra gives out "too many" awards and that consequently
> they're not as highly valued here as they might be elsewhere.  That was a
> very different belief than one I'd ever encountered, but it was one that
> made me think.  I do have to giggle when I envision the chaos and riot
that
> would ensue if it were suddenly announced that half of the awards
currently
> given in Ansteorra were to be permanently retired and that the remaining
> ones would be given out half as often than before...  but certainly it
would
> make courts shorter, and you wouldn't have to worry about no awards being
> given at noncalendar events, lol!
>
> ::GUNNVOR::
>
> Insomnia.  *sigh* It leads to waxing elephants.
>
>
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From gudze at pagancow.org  Wed Aug 20 00:39:36 2003
From: gudze at pagancow.org (Gudze O'Domhnaill)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com> <3F4317B8.2080700@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <02e701c366ee$bef6c9c0$420496ac@genji>

As promised, I'm weighing in. Okay, so I'm a lightweight, but I'm one who
can type. :)

On the topic of Barony vs. Shire (et al):

I agree with the new proposed numbers of Calendar events per year.As someone
said, Baronies worked hard to become such, and typically have more people
than the shires, cantons, etc. Instead of using this proposal to further
divide our weekends, we (the people of Ansteorra) should band together to
make the events that ARE held that much more spectacular, as someone said.

On the topic of Money:

This is a waste of a topic. Yes, money is an unavoidable concern for
thriving organizations. However, to make this a prime argument against the
event limits counters the reason we have events (as someone said). In my
humble opinion, the events that should be listed are the ones that come with
a lot of hoo-hah; events that would make people want to travel cross-kingdom
just to be there. Start holding events like that that, and the money will
take care of itself (as long as someone keeps an eye on it).

On the topic of Barony-Shire Cooperation:

I can see no reason why a barony couldn't hold an event with participation
from the neighboring shires and cantons one weekend, and for a shire to do
the same with the support of a barony on another weekend. There is no need
to compete with your neighbors for weekends and money. With some good
planning and cooperation, this problem will work itself out.

On the topic of Splitting the Kingdom:

I would certainly hate to see Ansteorra split, especially since Ansteorra
has a long history and a lot of people in every corner that wouldn't want to
live anywhere else. However, I can see this as an opportunity as well. It
could be an opportunity for unprecedented inter-kingdom relations. I don't
know how often kingdoms split, but I'd think it would make for a great
chance for two siter kingdoms to possibly accomplish what one couldn't alone
(not referring to anything specific, just trying to whet some imaginations).

On the topic of Information Dissemination:

It is my opinion that each region (to include as least one barony or other
group having landed nobles that are "in the loop") should hold meetings.
Representatives from each group would attend, and anything that happens on
the BOD or Kingdom level that isn't advertised very much would be told to
them. This would also be a great time to plan inter-group events. :)

On the topic of Viruses (or virii, if you prefer):

They stink.

Okay, I need some caffeine. Anyone who disagrees, please do comment to the
list or to me privately. I'm happy to discuss and defend (and, if necessary,
change my mind about) anything I've said. However, I have a feeling that
this post is basically a summary of the topics presented already, with a
little of my own flavor. Thank you all who read this far!

Humble Regards,
Gudze O'Domhnaill




From cnetterville at ih2000.net  Wed Aug 20 04:26:39 2003
From: cnetterville at ih2000.net (charles netterville)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:26:39 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Symantec Security Response - W32.Sobig.F@mm
Message-ID: <000901c3670d$febada00$7e6222d1@g1w3z6>

I'm not sure who it is, but I've been sent this virus sixty or more times this morning alone. Please take a moment to run a scan on your computer to see if you are infected. If so, this link contains a patch. Thanks, Chuck

 http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.f at mm.html

From PKieferjr at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 05:46:05 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:46:05 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
Message-ID: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2003 12:47:41 AM Central Daylight Time, 
j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:
We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
I think it's safe to say that Estrella, Gulf and Pennsic are significant 
enough to be included (I hadn't even heard about those other two mentioned; 
definitely a first for me).

Lord Johann (Paul)


From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Wed Aug 20 06:13:34 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw@titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:13:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com>
References: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1061385214.3f4373fef15eb@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Disclaimer : The numbers I provided were meant for a quick reference so they 
aren't 100% accurate.  However, I can state that the numbers and percentages 
won't change very much even if one were to be more meticulous.

Gulf War was included, the rest were not.  Again, I dealt with events that were 
strictly Ansteorran or that Ansteorra was a principal (such as Gulf War).

As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how many 
Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious and, while it 
does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic, I'd suggest any 
responses have the thread renamed to something like "Estrella attendance" 
or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in knowing what the numbers are like.
Feel free to post to me privately.

Ansgar

Quoting PKieferjr at aol.com:

> In a message dated 8/20/2003 12:47:41 AM Central Daylight Time, 
> j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:
> We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to
> how 
> many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for
> our 
> purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
> I think it's safe to say that Estrella, Gulf and Pennsic are significant
> 
> enough to be included (I hadn't even heard about those other two
> mentioned; 
> definitely a first for me).
> 
> Lord Johann (Paul)
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From rixende at mail2noble.com  Wed Aug 20 06:24:52 2003
From: rixende at mail2noble.com (Jhan Knebel)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:24:52 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <1df4d01c3671e$702fda90$0a0b010a@mail2world.com>

This year, Diamond Wars is opposite Elfsea Defender (as it has been in
many years past) on the last weekend in September.

Rixende

<-----Original Message-----> 
From: IagoAH at aol.com
Sent: 8/19/2003 11:14:59 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?

In a message dated 8/19/03 9:42:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
gilli at hot.rr.com 
writes:


> Diamond Wars???
> 
> Where and when is that??
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.

September or October, I think, in Arkansas.

Iago
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From DAFPIG at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 06:56:27 2003
From: DAFPIG at aol.com (DAFPIG@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:56:27 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Combat Archery on a lighter note
Message-ID: <178.1ef99644.2c74d80b@aol.com>

Greeting all, 

I wrote the below piece about 5 years ago, It seems to be the perfect time
to resurrect it ( with a few minor changes) as the melee season is about to 
begin.  Ansteorra needs
more combat archers,,,come on out and have a good time:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

Well, its that time of the year again. The weather is starting to cool 
down(maybe) and the roars and grunts of the fighters can be hear echoing 
through the wood and fields. Once again it is archery season. I have put 
together a few tips for those of you hunting these extordinary creatures for 
the first time. 

1. Baiting: the use of an object/s to encourage your prey to come to you. 

A. Heavy Fighters: The best bait for these massive animals is the use 
of decoys. They cannot seem to resist the clashing and banging around of 
thier own kind. When they see other fighters fighting, they tend to rush 
headlong to join them. If you don't have access to such decoys, try spreading 

some bright shiny objects around such as stainless steel gaunlets or a shiny 
helm, using long peices as ratten is also effective. Heavy fighters are 
drawn to such things as these. 

B. Light fighters: Oh, the rare and elusive light fighter, We usually 
don't hunt these graceful creatures because of thier rarity. They don't seem 
drawn to the noise of others fighting. So I have found that to effectively 
bait them into range, one must use other objects to entice them. The use of 
a few yards of expensive trim or lace seems to work, What always does the job 

though, is the sight of very sharp, fancy clothing. This approach has never 
failed me yet. 

2. Choosing your hunting Terrain: have a working knowledge of the terrain you 

will be hunting in. 

A. Open field: The open fields are the most common area to find both 
heavy and light game. This is the area they perfer to engage in their ritual 
combat. Because of the lack of ready cover, an archer must stay alert and on 
thier toes at all times. Being spotted by one of these fierce creatures can 
be dangerous. 

B. Bridges: For some unkown reason, Heavy fighters tend to gather at 
bridges. They strive to reach the other side, push and fighting thier way 
through. Ironically, it doesn't seem to matter which side they start from, as 

long as they end up on the opposite bank. It is here that we archers revel in 

the ease of the kill. Often it is too easy to bag your limit and only the 
fact 
that your quiver is empty do you stop. 

3. Types of archery equipment: What tips to use, and when. 

A. There are ,of course, a multitude of tips avaliable this season, the 
Markland, Thistle and several types of Baldar blunts. We won't be discussing 
the 
disgusting golf tube thingys. Remember, Heavy fighters are encased in an 
armor-like skin. The thickness of this pelt varies with each individual. I 
usually start with a fine Markland tip or perhaps a baldar blunt for average 
game. I switch to my Thistle tips ,at close range, when I encounter thicker 
pelted fighters. Often these massive animals are unable to feel that they are 

dying, stuck on the end of a wonderful shot. It is during these times, One 
should verbally remind them of this fact. Often a POLITE verbal reminder will 
do the 
job. 

B. +++ Special note for the lighter game. Use only the foam covered 
Marklands to hunt this prey. These animals tend to be VERY thin pelted and 
are usually easily damaged. 

4. Safety tips: when to run like heck. 

A. A combat archer must ALWAYS be on thier toes and aware of what is 
going on. For some reason, most of the massive heavy prey hate archers on 
site and will go to extreme measures to kill us. Upon sighting archery 
equipment, Heavy fighters tend to foam and fleck at the mouth, in a desperate 

attempt to stop us. So be aware. One way to avoid such encounters when being 
chased by these lumbering mammonths, is to run directly into another group of 

heavies. This tends to confuse the pursuing fighter and they usually stop to 
fight with the heavies you are hiding among. If you are caught out in the 
open with no means of escape, Fall to the ground or your knees yelling "I 
YEILD". This has 2 effects on these animals. 1st, they stop their headlong 
charge on you and 2nd, instead of whompen you, they tend to just tap you. I 
don't know if they are confused by the yelling or the falling to the ground. 

Well, These are all the tips I have for now. The season is opening for a 
majority of us next weekend at Gothic Wars. Come on out if you can and go 
hunting with us. 

Countess Octavia 




From gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu  Wed Aug 20 06:56:18 2003
From: gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Gail Taylor)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:56:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
	<1061358296.3f430ad8a1c96@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <3F437E02.9060308@lonestar.utsa.edu>

Are we including Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving as viable potential 
event weekends?  

IGH

j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

>Apologies for that last post.
>
>Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current month, 
>which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>
>
>As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella, Pennsic, etc 
>as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals (like 
>Gulf War)
>
>For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :
>
>(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know there were 
>some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers down.  The 
>Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)
>
>83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
>47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events per 
>weekend.
>If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events over 43 
>weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.
>
>Breakdown by number of events per weekend :
>
>5 weekends - no events
>19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
>21 weekends - 2 events
>6 weekends - 3 events
>1 weekend - 4 events
>
>I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the Blackstars I 
>have readily available, if needed<G>
>
>We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
>many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
>purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
>
>Ansgar
>(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)
>
>
>Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:
>
>  
>
>>Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
>>
>>While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
>>that
>>all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
>>scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
>>scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
>>scheduled
>>events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
>>events
>>are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
>>next
>>twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
>>
>>Margaret
>>
>>****************************************
>>Countess Margaret ny Connor
>>Barony of the Steppes
>>Kingdom of Ansteorra
>>****************************************
>>
>>"And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink
>>as
>>friends."  W. Shakespeare.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
>>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
>>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>>Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the
>>sky
>>is falling in!"
>>
>><much, much snippage>
>>
>>::GUNNVOR::
>>
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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 07:06:06 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:06:06 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000a01c366c7$7c1853c0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3F4339FE.22831.686E21@localhost>

On 19 Aug 2003 at 22:02, Bob Dewart wrote:

> Thing is, folks WANT to be ANSTEORRAN.  Go figure.  :)
> 
> Gilli


How about the Principality of North Ansteorra and the Principality of South Ansteorra? 
We already  have a precedent with many of the states of the US. (Dakotas, Carolinas)


Giggle, Not serious.

Claire 


From morgancain at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 07:15:37 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:15:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events
Message-ID: <003301c36725$921b0100$eeeff5d1@homeseries>

Gunnora said:

> But, honest-to-goshen, "having an event so we can give out awards"
> has gotta be the worst reason for holding an event I have ever heard
> in my life.  The awards can't be all we're here for... surely some folks
> have got to be doing cool stuff in the SCA because they think it's neat,
> or fun, etc.  Awards are the cherry set atop the ice cream and hot
> fudge on the sundae... nice, but not, after all, what you paid $3 for
> at the Dairy Queen.

I have to agree (especially as I prefer the cherry-dip myself <g>).  I got my first award in A.S. XXII or something like that (it was a long time ago, and I've slept since then), and if I wore all the medallions I've received since then I'd just clank.  They'd get in the way when I try to do things, so most reside in a pretty little box at home that if I am thinking about it, perhaps once in every couple years or so I actually remember to take to an event so I might wear them for sitting around in court if I think about it.  In my case, the awards *do* get in the way of fun, at least in a fairly literal physical sense.

I think it may depend upon when you started, and where, and who was around you at the time.  If they make a big hairy deal about awards, then it's all you can think about.  If they focus on Having Fun And Doing Shtuff, then you focus on that too.  I ended up in a group that had the latter attitude, and I guess it has affected my outlook.  I remember the group to the north of us (it was in a different kingdom far away from here) was very award-hungry and sometimes they would look down on us for not having slews of awards and big courts at our events.  We thought their focus was wrong, because they always thought about activities and events only in terms of what they could do towards getting awards, not in terms of how they could have fun and make fun for other people.

It did make our events easier, because we had an unwritten agreement that they got all the Royalty and courts, with a few minor exceptions every once in a couple years or so.  We cheerfully dragged people to their events to get awards if needed.  That way, our events could have a lot more fighting and dancing and entertainment, which we enjoyed more.  They got all the pomp and royal sucking-up they enjoyed.  Think of that as an alternative to having on-calendar, award-giving events - what fits your group's personality?  Can you work out something with a nearby group that likes having court?

> Over last weekend, I heard the opinion voiced that compared
> to some other kingdoms, Ansteorra gives out "too many" awards
> and that consequently they're not as highly valued here as they
> might be elsewhere.

It was interesting to see the comment.  Did they mean that Ansteorra has more awards than other Kingdoms, or that they are given out with less provocation?  There's a big difference.  I've seen awards created to recognize things that don't fit into any other category, which can then give encouragement to the persons doing that art/skill, as well as those who might come into it later.  This is not necessarily a bad thing, especially as the Society grows and we add activities that twenty or thirty years ago were not done.

I have to admit, one of the hardest awards I've gotten was given for an art I wasn't practicing.  As a result, I've felt forced to do the art, and teach other people to do it, when I'm not really interested in that.  It's been a learning experience, but it's also an unpleasant weight.  This made me feel the other way, that awards are given with too little justification.  It's uncomfortable to have to earn an award after it is given.

My tuppence,

                                        ---= Morgan Cain  *

* the little one from Steppes

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
" There is no key to happiness. The door is always open. "  (Unknown)
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)

From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Wed Aug 20 07:26:55 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw@titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:26:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <3F437E02.9060308@lonestar.utsa.edu>
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
	<1061358296.3f430ad8a1c96@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
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In most cases, there aren't any events Christmas weekend.  It's about a 50/50 
shot, from what I can tell as to having an event scheduled Thanksgiving 
weekend.  There is almost always an event on Easter weekend.

I'll try to list the weekends that I didn't find events for last year and the 
current year.  I've got all the data at home.

Ansgar

Quoting Gail Taylor <gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>:

> Are we including Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving as viable potential 
> event weekends?  
> 
> IGH
> 
> j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:
> 
> >Apologies for that last post.
> >
> >Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current
> month, 
> >which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>
> >
> >As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella,
> Pennsic, etc 
> >as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals
> (like 
> >Gulf War)
> >
> >For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :
> >
> >(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know
> there were 
> >some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers
> down.  The 
> >Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)
> >
> >83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
> >47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events
> per 
> >weekend.
> >If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events
> over 43 
> >weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.
> >
> >Breakdown by number of events per weekend :
> >
> >5 weekends - no events
> >19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
> >21 weekends - 2 events
> >6 weekends - 3 events
> >1 weekend - 4 events
> >
> >I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the
> Blackstars I 
> >have readily available, if needed<G>
> >
> >We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as
> to how 
> >many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for
> our 
> >purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
> >
> >Ansgar
> >(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)
> >
> >
> >Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
> >>
> >>While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
> >>that
> >>all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> >>scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months
> of
> >>scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
> >>scheduled
> >>events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
> >>events
> >>are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
> >>next
> >>twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
> >>
> >>Margaret
> >>
> >>****************************************
> >>Countess Margaret ny Connor
> >>Barony of the Steppes
> >>Kingdom of Ansteorra
> >>****************************************
> >>
> >>"And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and
> drink
> >>as
> >>friends."  W. Shakespeare.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> >>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
> >>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >>Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
> >>
> >><snip>
> >>
> >>My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little,
> the
> >>sky
> >>is falling in!"
> >>
> >><much, much snippage>
> >>
> >>::GUNNVOR::
> >>
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> >>Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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> >>
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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 07:30:23 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:30:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
In-Reply-To: <1061385214.3f4373fef15eb@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
References: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F433FAF.56.7EA939@localhost>

On 20 Aug 2003 at 8:13, j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

> As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how
> many Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious
> and, while it does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic,
> I'd suggest any responses have the thread renamed to something like
> "Estrella attendance" or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in
> knowing what the numbers are like. Feel free to post to me privately.
> 
> Ansgar
> 
I am not sure the simple quantity of Ansteorrans in attendance is all there is to consider. 
We often have agreements, formal or otherwise with allies in these other kingdoms. 
That often means at least that our Royalty will be in attendance, meaning that while they 
are out of kingdom we cannot hold any royal court events, unless we have Heirs still at 
home. 

So it impacts us. I would like to see events like Estrella War and others listed on the 
Kingdom Calendar and noted as such as a Convenience not as a Kingdom Scheduled 
event just to assist my planning. 

I may want to hold an event during Pennsic but I also want to be sure I am not counting 
on the Crown to attend. I can't always remember those dates in relation to our calendar. 


Claire 


From PKieferjr at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 07:47:13 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:47:13 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
Message-ID: <36.465f8fe8.2c74e3f1@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2003 9:03:28 AM Central Daylight Time, 
gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu writes:
Are we including Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving as viable potential 
event weekends?  

IGH

j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

>Apologies for that last post.
>
>Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current 
month, 
>which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>
>
>As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella, Pennsic, 
etc 
>as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals (like 
>Gulf War)
>
>For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :
>
>(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know there 
were 
>some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers down.  
The 
>Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)
>
>83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
>47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events per 
>weekend.
>If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events over 
43 
>weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.
>
>Breakdown by number of events per weekend :
>
>5 weekends - no events
>19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
>21 weekends - 2 events
>6 weekends - 3 events
>1 weekend - 4 events
>
>I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the Blackstars 
I 
>have readily available, if needed<G>
>
>We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
>many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
>purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
>
>Ansgar
>(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)



Wouldn't count on having any events Christmas, Thanksgiving or New Year's

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From swhite at Pegasus-International.com  Wed Aug 20 07:55:45 2003
From: swhite at Pegasus-International.com (Sandra White)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:55:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] event limits - sampling technique
Message-ID: <251FC9010DCAD711B86F00A0C9E92C3F0AD7FE@10mail.deltacom.net>

>From a technical standpoint, I would like to point out a couple of flaws in
this math.
 
1)    The on-line calendar is unofficial.
2)    Many events won't go onto the calendar a year in advance.
 
I propose instead that we look at the last year's worth of Black Stars on a
month by month basis. I think we'll find very different results.
 
Kind Regards,
 
Clara von Ulm
(Who has run into the "unable to get an event date" syndrome, as a member of
a Barony.)
 
P.S. As I have been rapidly reading the many, many messages since this post,
I see that Countess Margaret brought this up as well.
 
 
Ansgar wrote:
> If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
(Christmas,
> Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That 
> brings
the
> number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
>
> The breakdown is :
>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
 
 


From karolus at gte.net  Wed Aug 20 10:02:14 2003
From: karolus at gte.net (Karolus)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:02:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
References: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com> <3F433FAF.56.7EA939@localhost>
Message-ID: <002501c3673c$ce275a10$0200a8c0@otropf80luile6>

I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf, but
I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think we
had the 8 in the rental car at War.

Karolus
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events


> On 20 Aug 2003 at 8:13, j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:
>
> > As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how
> > many Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious
> > and, while it does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic,
> > I'd suggest any responses have the thread renamed to something like
> > "Estrella attendance" or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in
> > knowing what the numbers are like. Feel free to post to me privately.
> >
> > Ansgar
> >
> I am not sure the simple quantity of Ansteorrans in attendance is all
there is to consider.
> We often have agreements, formal or otherwise with allies in these other
kingdoms.
> That often means at least that our Royalty will be in attendance, meaning
that while they
> are out of kingdom we cannot hold any royal court events, unless we have
Heirs still at
> home.
>
> So it impacts us. I would like to see events like Estrella War and others
listed on the
> Kingdom Calendar and noted as such as a Convenience not as a Kingdom
Scheduled
> event just to assist my planning.
>
> I may want to hold an event during Pennsic but I also want to be sure I am
not counting
> on the Crown to attend. I can't always remember those dates in relation to
our calendar.
>
>
> Claire
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
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> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>



From cellach at breezykilt.com  Wed Aug 20 10:46:38 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:46:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
References: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com> <3F433FAF.56.7EA939@localhost>
	<002501c3673c$ce275a10$0200a8c0@otropf80luile6>
Message-ID: <003b01c36743$01ee4c90$1108a8c0@bobby>

Speaking of Estrella, the wife and I are starting to plan for it next year.
She'll be 6 months preggers, so, it'll be hotel city for us.  I have friends
from Caid that attend each year.  It'll be good to see them and to scream
"Ansteorra!" at them all week long.  I've never gone, so, if you have some
tips for us, we'd appreciate it!

As far as the Ansteorra contingent is concerned, we must be aligned and make
ourselves known!

In Service,
Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karolus" <karolus at gte.net>
To: <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>; "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
<ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events


> I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf,
but
> I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think
we
> had the 8 in the rental car at War.
>
> Karolus
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events
>
>
> > On 20 Aug 2003 at 8:13, j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:
> >
> > > As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how
> > > many Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious
> > > and, while it does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic,
> > > I'd suggest any responses have the thread renamed to something like
> > > "Estrella attendance" or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in
> > > knowing what the numbers are like. Feel free to post to me privately.
> > >
> > > Ansgar
> > >
> > I am not sure the simple quantity of Ansteorrans in attendance is all
> there is to consider.
> > We often have agreements, formal or otherwise with allies in these other
> kingdoms.
> > That often means at least that our Royalty will be in attendance,
meaning
> that while they
> > are out of kingdom we cannot hold any royal court events, unless we have
> Heirs still at
> > home.
> >
> > So it impacts us. I would like to see events like Estrella War and
others
> listed on the
> > Kingdom Calendar and noted as such as a Convenience not as a Kingdom
> Scheduled
> > event just to assist my planning.
> >
> > I may want to hold an event during Pennsic but I also want to be sure I
am
> not counting
> > on the Crown to attend. I can't always remember those dates in relation
to
> our calendar.
> >
> >
> > Claire
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ansteorra mailing list
> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> >
>
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From zubeydah at northkeep.org  Tue Aug 19 23:37:21 2003
From: zubeydah at northkeep.org (Zubeydah the Wanderer)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:37:21 +0600
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: OOK Wars/Events
In-Reply-To: <002501c3673c$ce275a10$0200a8c0@otropf80luile6>
References: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com> <3F433FAF.56.7EA939@localhost>
	<002501c3673c$ce275a10$0200a8c0@otropf80luile6>
Message-ID: <20030820063721.32682.qmail@vectra.stormreaver.net>

Three attended from Northkeep... myself, Marcus Quietly, and Lynn the 
Inquisitive. 

 -zubeydah 

 


Karolus writes: 

> I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf, but
> I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think we
> had the 8 in the rental car at War. 
> 
> Karolus



From morgancain at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 12:04:06 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (morgancain@earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:04:06 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
Message-ID: <265000-2200383201946936@M2W049.mail2web.com>

I thought there were only six of us there - Chiara, Big Morgan, Master Etc.
Modius, and Their Majesties - because excepting Morgan (whom Chiara saw
elsewhere) there were only five of us in court, and I didn't see any other
specifically Ansteorran people there that I recall.

I guessed there were more when I saw more than the two of us (Chiara and
myself) listed on the volunteer posting post-war.  If you saw a waterbearer
in an Ansteorran tabard at Estrella this past year, it was one of us.

I think the reason we-all didn't think the others were there is that unlike
last year, there wasn't a specifically Ansteorran Camp onsite.

                             ---= Morgan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Three attended from Northkeep... myself, Marcus Quietly,
> and Lynn the Inquisitive. 
>
> -zubeydah 
>
> Karolus writes: 
>
> I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf,
but
> I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think
> we had the 8 in the rental car at War. 
> 
> Karolus

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From lg_photo at texas.net  Wed Aug 20 12:26:59 2003
From: lg_photo at texas.net (Alice Morrow Harris)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:26:59 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>
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PKieferjr at aol.com wrote:

> I
> I'm basically looking at this as "we've become overwhelmed that we can't do
> things efficiently or effectively within the current structure without coming
> up short somewhere", so we add another layer of sorts.  One would have to
> acknowledge that someone can't be everywhere they'd like to be (i.e., Crown, et.al.),
> so another layer, in the form of a coronet principality, delegated certain duties when
> the monarchy cannot be there in person.  Sort of like a "stand-in" (although a noble is
> supposed to do this as well).
>

Greetings From Alina:

If it's the issue of not having the crown coming to the events of shire & canton so the
local populace can recieve awards, I thought there was something already in place. I'm
mentioning that the nearest barony's baron and/or baroness to the group giving out the
awards for the Crown. I think I heard mention of that at the last Red Tape meeting and in
the past.

Alina




From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Wed Aug 20 12:34:09 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw@titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:34:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <36.465f8fe8.2c74e3f1@aol.com>
References: <36.465f8fe8.2c74e3f1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1061408049.3f43cd31771ec@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Quoting PKieferjr at aol.com:

> Wouldn't count on having any events Christmas, Thanksgiving or New
> Year's
> 
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)

Going back and answering Isobel's question :


For the years 99-02 :
   There were no events on Christmas weekend
   There were events on 2 Thanksgiving weekends
   There were events on 3 New Year's weekends

For the years 98-01 & 03 :
   There were events on all of the Easter weekends.

So pretty much, like I said, almost no events on Christmas, about 50/50 for 
Thanksgiving, and almost all Easters have events.

Ansgar



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From dmriney at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 13:11:46 2003
From: dmriney at earthlink.net (Don and Monica)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:11:46 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income -= Holiday Events
References: <36.465f8fe8.2c74e3f1@aol.com>
	<1061408049.3f43cd31771ec@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <001e01c36757$48774ea0$c1ddfea9@OSIRUS>

There are many a holiday weekend that my family and I have choosen to go to
an event.  Thanksgiving is one of the best times due to the Turkey being
done on Thursday, eat left overs on Friday - go to an event and escape the
family on Saturday & Sunday.

Rosalia
----- Original Message -----
From: <j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income


> Quoting PKieferjr at aol.com:
>
> > Wouldn't count on having any events Christmas, Thanksgiving or New
> > Year's
> >
> > Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
>
> Going back and answering Isobel's question :
>
>
> For the years 99-02 :
>    There were no events on Christmas weekend
>    There were events on 2 Thanksgiving weekends
>    There were events on 3 New Year's weekends
>
> For the years 98-01 & 03 :
>    There were events on all of the Easter weekends.
>
> So pretty much, like I said, almost no events on Christmas, about 50/50
for
> Thanksgiving, and almost all Easters have events.
>
> Ansgar
>
>
>
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From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 20 13:21:19 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:21:19 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>

That is my point. If you don't put in a bid, you cannot be considered to 
host a Kingdom level event.

I am still very new to all of this so my misunderstanding was that only 
large groups like Baronies and such would be awarded Kingdom events since 
they had the people and the money to pull it off. A smaller group like a 
canton or shire would be overlooked. Boy was I wrong. And glad of it.

I had always thought that groups were clamoring to host a Kingdom event. 
What better way to be assured the Crown would be there. That alone should 
boost attendance for an event. Now I have found out that groups are not 
bidding on Kingdom events.

To me this is an opportunity missed. It is also a great way for a new 
autocrat to get their feet wet so to speak. Supply a site, host gate, 
provide a meal and follow the crowns instructions. How tuff is that?
What is holding groups back from bidding on Kingdom events? You don't even 
have to fight the calendar.

Respectfully,
Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor




>From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:13:22 -0500
>
>My understanding is that the Tor was the only one that bid on it.
>
>Gilli
>Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Miss Pict" <lady_pict2 at hotmail.com>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:48 PM
>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> > I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on
>Kingdom
> > events.
> > The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor in the central region bid on Crown
>Tournament
> > in October. We never thought we had a chance. Low and behold our small
> > canton will be hosting the event.
> >
> > If you do not put in a bid. You cannot win it. Don't think you are too
>small
> > to try. This will be a whole new experience for us to learn from, and I
>for
> > one am excited about it.
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> > Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
> > ><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> > >To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> > >Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> > >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
> > >
> > >On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
> > ><snip>
> > >  All this does in my opinion
> > > > is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of 
>a
> > > > second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to 
>gain
> > > > the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> > > > given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would 
>allow
> > > > those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep 
>them
> > > > functioning.
> > > >
> > > > Eirik
> > >
> > >
> > >Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at
>the
> > >next crown
> > >tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship
> > >tournament. I
> > >would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many
> > >interesting places to
> > >go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put 
>together
> > >or staff since
> > >the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by
>someone
> > >on the
> > >kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That 
>is
>a
> > >great chance to
> > >shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that
> > >might or might not
> > >have been well staffed.
> > >
> > >Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should
>be
> > >post
> > >Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember
> > >that
> > >Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to 
>do
> > >was book a
> > >site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and
>running
> > >the list usually
> > >had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and
> > >Crown areas
> > >were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the 
>events
> > >were
> > >already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it 
>was
>at
> > >the request
> > >of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that
>was
> > >easy to
> > >coordinate.
> > >
> > >Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few 
>if
> > >any bids
> > >to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event
>ahead
> > >of time. I
> > >suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other
>large
> > >group because
> > >it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute 
>event.
> > >
> > >If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two
>and
> > >have
> > >volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything
> > >concrete you are half
> > >way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown.
>You
> > >can often
> > >reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full
> > >refund if you
> > >cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament 
>and
> > >then
> > >cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still
> > >several months
> > >ahead.
> > >
> > >I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. 
>So
> > >is time, so grab
> > >what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's
> > >event and make
> > >a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make
>the
> > >feast or serve
> > >the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a
> > >reviewing stand).
> > >
> > >Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful.
> > >
> > >Claire Shayhan
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From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 13:38:19 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:38:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] event limits - sampling technique
In-Reply-To: <251FC9010DCAD711B86F00A0C9E92C3F0AD7FE@10mail.deltacom.net>
References: <251FC9010DCAD711B86F00A0C9E92C3F0AD7FE@10mail.deltacom.net>
Message-ID: <3F43DC3B.6000203@earthlink.net>

Sandra White wrote:

> Clara von Ulm
> (Who has run into the "unable to get an event date" syndrome, as a member of
> a Barony.)
>  
> P.S. As I have been rapidly reading the many, many messages since this post,
> I see that Countess Margaret brought this up as well.

And I posted the raw data for last year's events in another, related, 
thread.

--Perronnelle

-- 
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From zubeydah at northkeep.org  Wed Aug 20 01:50:03 2003
From: zubeydah at northkeep.org (Zubeydah the Wanderer)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:50:03 +0600
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>
References: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030820085003.959.qmail@vectra.stormreaver.net>

Could I ask.. and I'm not sure even who to direct the  question TO... but... 
have ANY bids been received for the 25th Anniversary of the Kingdom 
celebration? 

curiously in service, 


zubeydah the wanderer
Founding Member: Northern Regional Waterbearing & Cheerleading Squad
Creatrix of Evil Things Chocolately 

.. azure, an ewer bendwise within an orle argent..


From kaitlyn_mckenna at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 20 14:11:56 2003
From: kaitlyn_mckenna at hotmail.com (Kaitlyn McKenna)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:11:56 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re:event limits
Message-ID: <Law9-F115aBtr4RN9uK0006ff2e@hotmail.com>

Hmmm..on an up side:

1. Non-calendar events don't have to do NMS
2. The on-line calendar is unofficial..so any event could be listed there, 
"calendar" or not.

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From baroness_maleah at cox.net  Wed Aug 20 15:39:40 2003
From: baroness_maleah at cox.net (Maleah)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:39:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
References: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>
	<20030820085003.959.qmail@vectra.stormreaver.net>
Message-ID: <00af01c3676c$06232000$6400a8c0@banshee>

I know that Namron put in for it and have heard through the grapevine that
others have too, but we haven't heard anything back as of yet. I figured
Pennsic kinda took over and we'd hear something when everyone got back and
had a chance to look at the bids.

Maleah
Baroness of Namron

Zubeydah wrote:
> Could I ask.. and I'm not sure even who to direct the  question TO...
but...
> have ANY bids been received for the 25th Anniversary of the Kingdom
> celebration?




From dssweet at okstate.edu  Wed Aug 20 15:27:19 2003
From: dssweet at okstate.edu (Deborah Sweet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:27:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <OF5C085869.9A4FE148-ON86256D88.007222CD@okstate.edu>

Perronnelle said:
>If anyone want so to run the numbers, here's the raw data:
<big snip of data>

Wow. Thanks for that. Just what I wanted.

So after trying to torture the data until it confessed, here's what I came 
up with. It's entirely possible I missed something as I'm having trouble 
seeing well right now.

Of the 52 weekends, 5 *as listed* had no events - however, obviously one 
was Pennsic and one was Gulf Wars so I'll say 3 event-free weekends 
(Thanksgiving, closest prior to xmas, and the one prior to GW). So that's 
49 used weekends for events.

16 - weekends with 1 event (but let's add 2 for GW and Pennsic so it's - 
18)
28 - weekends with 2 events
1 - weekend with 3 events
1 - weekend with 4 events
1 - weekend with 5 events (but there was a question mark in the data so it 
probably was really a 4 event weekend)

That's a total of 86 events.

Taking out the four protected events, 82 events divided by 45 weekends is 
an average of 1.8 events per weekend. Or it could be said that 69% of the 
used weekends had at least two events and 31% of the used weekends had 
only one event.

Other Kingdom level events held last year were: two King's Round Tables, 
two Queen's Champions, King's College, Academy of the Bow, and Academy of 
the Rapier (according to the list of event titles and the list of "other 
Kingdom Events" from Kingdom law that is online). I've chosen to add 
Heraldic Symposium and Laurel's Prize Tourney to this list. [Other listed 
Kingdom level events may have been bundled up with other scheduled events, 
but were not indicated from the data that Perronnelle posted.] 

So of the 13 Kingdom events only three had at least one opposing event. Of 
the 13 baronial ped events, only one had no competition (only one guess 
what event that was).

If you look at the calendar by month, at least in 2002, the summer months 
of June, July, & August accounted for 9 single event weekends (out of 14 
possible weekends). Five of those nine events were kingdom level events. 
Of the remaining doubled-up weekends, all were in June except for one at 
the end of August. So July is a really unpopular month to hold events 
(like that needs saying).

(From here on down I'll use the sum of 84 events since GW & Pennsic aren't 
hosted by any of our internal groups.)

Baronies hosted 36 events - 13 peds, 4 kingdom events (both Crowns, Kings 
College & a Queen's Champion), and 19 other events. So each barony held an 
average of 2.76 events. 

Non-baronies (30 groups: 19 shires, 9 cantons, 2 colleges) hosted 48 
events - 9 kingdom level events and 39 others. Each non-barony held an 
average of 1.6 events. 

By region Coastal held the most with 22 events  - 26% of the events. 
Central was second with 20 events (24%). North was third with 16 events 
(19%); the South had 15 events (18%) and the West held 11 events (13%). Or 
in other words, Coastal & Central together held 50% of the events; and the 
North, South & West regions together held the other 50%.

Coastal Region had four Kingdom level events as did Central. The West and 
the North both had two kingdom level events and the South had only one.

So my conclusions are thus: Yah, the average is almost 2 events per 
weekend - that's full. Something needs to be done - my thoughts are to 
dock the baronies back to 2 events (ped + 1), just like the rest of us. 
Though I don't object strongly to the proposed change - Mooneschadowe has 
long struggled to find that "perfect" second event, be it theme, date on 
calendar or other. So for the past several years we've only had Guardian. 
However, we've put in bids for kingdom level events and got them (Heraldic 
Symposium, King's College, etc.) We've got one in now for KA&S.

Estrill
yah, another one of those opinionated Mooneschadeen


From cpenny at swbell.net  Wed Aug 20 15:35:12 2003
From: cpenny at swbell.net (Cairenn Day)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:35:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <1ab.1907c33f.2c7374e2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F43F7A0.FA0FD1A9@swbell.net>

I want to chime in with my 2 cents worth.  Steppes is one of the groups
that has three calendar events a year.  We do 12th Night, were there is
a large amount of Kingdom business transacted, we host Circles, Peerages
made (many are not local), The same problem exists at Steppes Warlord.
So far Artisan isn't quite as bad.  We have this problem, simply because
of location, if you live in the north (for example), and you have
friends in the south, the Steppes-Elfsea area will allow both groups to
attend your Peerage ceremony.  We don't mind hosting all of these
Kingdom items, but it takes away from the awards given to local people.
Artisan is our best opportunity to celebrate the people of our Barony.
If we take one event off calendar, then we (and the Kingdom) loses these
chances.  What I am the most afraid of, is that groups will end up
dropping their Arts events.  Many of these will be folded into their
fighting events, this was very common in the past.  It will lessen the
importance of the Arts, and what about the person who fights and does
beautiful artwork?  If they happen to be both a squire and a apprentice,
and their Knight and their Laurel want them to enter both?  We have just
started to get stand alone Arts events, that highlight our artists, I
don't want us to go back to the time of the "stick-jocks", when they
were known by everyone, but no one  realized that their lady was a
superb artist in herself.
Please excuse me if I have been too sharp in my comments, I'm nursing a
bad toothache.

Cairenn,  Artist and former (and hope to be again) "stick-jock"



From Fitzmorgan at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 15:41:09 2003
From: Fitzmorgan at aol.com (Fitzmorgan@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:41:09 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
Message-ID: <14c.2307cfd0.2c755305@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2003 3:46:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
zubeydah at northkeep.org writes:


> Could I ask.. and I'm not sure even who to direct the  question TO... 
> but... 
> have ANY bids been received for the 25th Anniversary of the Kingdom 
> celebration? 
> 
> curiously in service, 
> 
> 
> zubeydah the wanderer
> Founding Member: Northern Regional Waterbearing & Cheerleading Squad
> Creatrix of Evil Things Chocolately 
> 
> .. azure, an ewer bendwise within an orle argent..

       I know of Two bids.  One in the North and one in the Central Region.  
I'm not sure when the decision will be made.   

Robert


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 15:42:53 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:42:53 -0500
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <20030820041204.57932.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004101c3676c$a524ff20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

This, to me, sounds like lots of missed opportunities to let the next
generation of leaders get some experience.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:12 PM
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't
have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up
that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or
something else...
>
> A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone
you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if you
have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
> Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> wrote:
> Lisa Duke (arabella at elfsea.net) said something that sounded like:
> > Be very careful what you say Master Pug. Why should you dread going to
an
> > event because of "business being done"?
>
> Because of the old motto.
>
> When you stop having fun, stop doing it.
>
> The Peers of the Realm do a lot more "business" than what is seen at
> the King's Round Table. There is more "business" to the game of the
> SCA than what the officers do. Just ask the Laurels about judging
> sometime.
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
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> Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra | And I ain't in it for my health
> Dark Horde Moritu | I ain't in it for the glory of anything at all
> pug at pug.net | And I sure ain't in it for the wealth" --Meatloaf
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 15:44:40 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:44:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <103.348660e2.2c745214@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004201c3676c$a5608180$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Did over half the Kingdom go to Pennisc?  Perhaps they do to Gulf War.  But
other than GW I wouldn't.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <PKieferjr at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> In a message dated 8/19/2003 10:42:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> lyonsden19 at att.net writes:
> should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?
> Considering the amount of attendence by Ansteorrans, that would be a big
> hearty "YES".
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
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From agillilan at swbell.net  Wed Aug 20 15:54:27 2003
From: agillilan at swbell.net (April Gillilan)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:54:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
In-Reply-To: <14c.2307cfd0.2c755305@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002801c3676e$02f06bc0$6701a8c0@PORTEGE>

A lot of people have been throwing around and computing wonderful numbers
and statistics on the number of events held in the kingdom over the past
years, and I would like to see some more.  :)

Is there anyone (or office) that has the numbers of what groups have bid on
what kingdom level events?  A lot of people are saying that kingdom level
events don't get bid on very much, and I would like to see if that is true,
or just another assumption.

Gilyan
Yep, that's right folks - an opinionated Mooneschadeen



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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 16:19:20 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:19:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <004101c3676c$a524ff20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030820231920.39243.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com>

Gilli,
 
Maybe I'm dull headed this evening...but I don't see how your comment relates to my comment...explain please
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
This, to me, sounds like lots of missed opportunities to let the next
generation of leaders get some experience.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" 
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:12 PM
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't
have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up
that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or
something else...
>
> A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone
you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if you
have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
> 

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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 16:34:14 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:34:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <OF5C085869.9A4FE148-ON86256D88.007222CD@okstate.edu>
Message-ID: <3F43BF26.26650.791D5D@localhost>

It occurs to me that the issue is far more complex than  just a crowded Kingdom 
calendar problem. 

Okay. Some few weekends had one or no events listed. That is not the only 
consideration. Not only is your event affected by the Kingdom calendar  and the 
proximity of other groups events, but also when any facilities are available. With facility 
rentals crowded and the Kingdom calendar crowded it can be VERY difficult to find a 
weekend that can work for your group. And sometimes there are other local conflicts. 
Many groups have annual events in their cities that are not SCA sponsored that they 
participate in, as they should, but that also provides conflicts. And as far apart as many 
of our groups are, we are still close enough to draw from the much of the same 
populations at the same time.

With the population increase of both the state and the SCA  facilities need to be bigger 
than in the past so that reduces the number of sites to choose from and then those sites 
are heavily used by other groups. I know that in Bryn Gwlad, we try to book Candlemas 
sites as much as 2 years in advance when they let us and we sometimes still have to  
argue for that PED weekend. And larger facilities cost more upfront as well. 

This increase in population is good for the SCA but it is straining  the resources of 
individual groups in the kingdom.  >IF< Ansteorra divided >right now< into two 
kingdoms, they would still be of a comparable size as far as numbers of groups goes, 
with other SCA kingdoms. That is why our calendar is more crowded than those 
kingdom's calendars. I just hope that our population size makes it possible for us to host 
successfully that many more events at a time.  

Disclaimer: I am not advocating Principalities at this time. This example is intended only 
for illustration and comparison purposes. 

This is such a complex issue there is no single elegant solution. But I am always in favor 
of Quality over Quantity. Traveling EVERY weekend is exhausting no matter how much I 
want to go to a particular event. 

Just more opinions from Claire .

On 20 Aug 2003 at 17:27, Deborah Sweet wrote:

> Perronnelle said:
> >If anyone want so to run the numbers, here's the raw data:
> <big snip of data>
> 
> Wow. Thanks for that. Just what I wanted.
> 
> So after trying to torture the data until it confessed, here's what I
> came up with. It's entirely possible I missed something as I'm having
> trouble seeing well right now.

>Lots of great and useful statics cut here.<


From uther at lcc.net  Wed Aug 20 17:52:14 2003
From: uther at lcc.net (mike young)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:52:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] events, awards, limits, oh my
Message-ID: <001c01c3677e$7cd8a960$502422d1@theparents>

I guess we have just never had enough awards to give here in Greywood that it took more than one event a year to give them all out . LOL!

Didn't this used to be the way it was anyway?
Or am I just mis-remembering?    The past twenty years just flew by so fast....

gwyneth
kingdom calendar secretary



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 20:25:15 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:25:15 -0500
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <20030820231920.39243.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007801c36793$d834d3a0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

You said, "more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun at
events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they end
up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something
else...".

Those crisis management or something else's might have just as easily been
taken care of by someone else, IF given the chance, opportunity or perhaps a
bit of guidance.   But as we have talked before, some folks just keep
jumping into the fire till they get a grumpy golden brown.  I guarantee you
that one of two things would have happened had that peer not been there: 1)
someone else would have taken care of it, or 2) folks would have just lived
with it.

Teaching is what we do, or at least I thought so.  That should also include
letting folks do what they have been tought or let them do on the job
training.

So, it was a self infected wound.  By their continuing to jump in the fire,
the deprived some one of the opportunity to feel the heat some to get use to
it.  Folks get use to haveing someone take care of things to the point the
one doing the taking care of walks off. That's a terrible loss, but it
dosen't seem to bring things to a hault nor change the nature of the beast.

To add to this sad fact of life, it's not just peers this sort of thing
happens to either.

Did that help?

Gilli

Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Gilli,
>
> Maybe I'm dull headed this evening...but I don't see how your comment
relates to my comment...explain please
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
> Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
> This, to me, sounds like lots of missed opportunities to let the next
> generation of leaders get some experience.
>
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "L T"
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:12 PM
> Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> > I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't
> have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up
> that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or
> something else...
> >
> > A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone
> you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if
you
> have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
> >
> > Lorraine DeerSlayer



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 20:31:51 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:31:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re:event limits
References: <Law9-F115aBtr4RN9uK0006ff2e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c36794$c426be40$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

That's not the case, or at least it wasn't.

For awhile there, they allowed my Archer's Revel (a non calendar event)
which was and is held the last weekend of November to be on the unofficial
calendar.

Then it was decide that if the event couldn't be placed on the offical
calendar in the Black Star, then it couldn't be on line calendar either.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kaitlyn McKenna" <kaitlyn_mckenna at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:11 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re:event limits


> Hmmm..on an up side:
>
> 1. Non-calendar events don't have to do NMS
> 2. The on-line calendar is unofficial..so any event could be listed there,
> "calendar" or not.
>
> kaitlyn
>
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From suzannebooth at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 20:42:48 2003
From: suzannebooth at yahoo.com (Suzanne Booth)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:42:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Farewell to Ansteorra
Message-ID: <20030821034248.93026.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings from HL Suzanne de la Ferté and Ld Angus de Botha!

Please forgive the bandwidth, but this is the quickest way to spread news of
our upcoming move to all of our friends in the Kingdom.  If you do not know us,
pleas feel free to delete this message without reading further.

Due to economic circumstances (Suzanne's job), we will be departing our beloved
Kingdom of Ansteorra for the Kingdom of Calontir (Barony of the Lonely Tower)
in a week and a half.  

Suzanne's consulting project ran out at the end of July and the consulting
company had no new project assignments foreseen until mid-October at the
earliest.  So ... a massive job search effort was rewarded with the offer of a
permanent position (no more consulting!) with a software firm in Omaha,
Nebraska, to start on September 2nd!  Angus will be receiving a transfer from
his company (O'Reilly Auto Parts) to Omaha, so his job is safe.

We will miss all of our dear friends that we have made here in Ansteorra much
more than you can ever know.  If you would like our forwarding address, please
contact us via Suzanne's email (SuzanneBooth at yahoo.com) and we will send you
the information poste haste!

Love,

Suzanne and Angus
Barony of Bjornsborg, Kingdom of Ansteorra



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From letebts at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 20:44:47 2003
From: letebts at earthlink.net (Elaine Crittenden)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:44:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Non-calendar courts
Message-ID: <E19pgOV-0004qY-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Inset in the "big picture":

Just musing back to a previous thread about people who talk during award
ceremonies and trying to connect it with the present thread...

There might be a correlation about local awards being given at big
events--ya don't know the recipient and ya can't hear, so there's no vested
interest in having an emotional bond with the awardee that would make the
awarding "special". That equals "boredom" with no "fast-forward" remote
control to speed things up until there's a part of the ceremonies that the
talker is bonded to. [Ahhh, the insidious "fallout" from modern
technologies....  ;-)  ]

Lete
Still a-thinkin'....





...............................
 Small local events
> are a great time to give out such awards because when you are at an event
> with mostly people from the local area it meens alot to the group. Giving
local
> awards at large events where lots of people are out of towners isn't as
> special. So thats my opinion as if anyone wanted it.
>
> Don Pieter Rausch
>


From letebts at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 20:55:44 2003
From: letebts at earthlink.net (Elaine Crittenden)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:55:44 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question
Message-ID: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

An impish little thought just jumped into my brain: 

Why couldn't a Barony which has an extra event date they don't want to use
barter the date to another group that wants a date and can't because of
limitations? I am thinking along the lines of politicians who have a certain
number of minutes to speak and yield part or all of the time the former is
alotted to another politician for the latter's use.

Next question:
Now just what could one barter for time? Hmmmmm. Interesting ponderance...

Lete
[Jes' thinkin'......... again.  ;-) ]
.....................

> I think that is a wonderful question.
>
> In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
> only two?
>
> Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?
>
> If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all three) that
> would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
>
> Gilli


From Lightfootcim at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 20:59:35 2003
From: Lightfootcim at aol.com (Lightfootcim@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:59:35 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Mistress Lorraine Deerslayer
Message-ID: <144.1783aea0.2c759da7@aol.com>

Please forgive the bandwith, but would Mistress Lorrraine please contact me 
privately?

Thanks!

HL John Lightfoot


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 21:05:14 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:05:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question
References: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <002401c36799$70353be0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Hehehehehehehehe.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elaine Crittenden" <letebts at earthlink.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>; "Kingdom
of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:55 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question


> An impish little thought just jumped into my brain:
>
> Why couldn't a Barony which has an extra event date they don't want to use
> barter the date to another group that wants a date and can't because of
> limitations? I am thinking along the lines of politicians who have a
certain
> number of minutes to speak and yield part or all of the time the former is
> alotted to another politician for the latter's use.
>
> Next question:
> Now just what could one barter for time? Hmmmmm. Interesting ponderance...
>
> Lete
> [Jes' thinkin'......... again.  ;-) ]
> .....................
>
> > I think that is a wonderful question.
> >
> > In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial
groups
> > only two?
> >
> > Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?
> >
> > If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all three)
that
> > would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
> >
> > Gilli
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From rixende at mail2noble.com  Thu Aug 21 07:01:00 2003
From: rixende at mail2noble.com (Jhan Knebel)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:01:00 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] OT: SCAdian's Missing Son
Message-ID: <e535c01c367ec$a6d31520$2801010a@mail2world.com>


>More details and photo at website listed below.
>***********************
>
>From: "grainnechormaic" 
>Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:26:04 -0000
>Subject: [TY] SCAdian's missing son....please read
>
>My son, Nicholaus Kirkpatrick is missing. The last reliable sighting
>of him was at pre-registration some day (the registrar isn't sure
>which day) the week of July 15, 2003 at Watkins College in Nashville.
>
>Please visit the link
>http://www.geocities.com/find_nick_22/Find_Nick.html
>
>Please pass this link to everyone you know. If he is alive and for
>whatever reason has decided to "go walkabout", he may be in or headed
>for the California area.
>
>Thanks to all.
>
>Grainne inghean Chormaic (m.k.a. Karen Kirkpatrick)


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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 21 11:02:25 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:02:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Farewell to Ansteorra
In-Reply-To: <20030821034248.93026.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030821180225.28595.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>

Calontir is gaining some damn fine people!!!
 
Kief and I will miss you both!!!
 
Lorraine

Suzanne Booth <suzannebooth at yahoo.com> wrote:
Greetings from HL Suzanne de la Ferté and Ld Angus de Botha!

Please forgive the bandwidth, but this is the quickest way to spread news of
our upcoming move to all of our friends in the Kingdom. If you do not know us,
pleas feel free to delete this message without reading further.

Due to economic circumstances (Suzanne's job), we will be departing our beloved
Kingdom of Ansteorra for the Kingdom of Calontir (Barony of the Lonely Tower)
in a week and a half. 

Suzanne's consulting project ran out at the end of July and the consulting
company had no new project assignments foreseen until mid-October at the
earliest. So ... a massive job search effort was rewarded with the offer of a
permanent position (no more consulting!) with a software firm in Omaha,
Nebraska, to start on September 2nd! Angus will be receiving a transfer from
his company (O'Reilly Auto Parts) to Omaha, so his job is safe.

We will miss all of our dear friends that we have made here in Ansteorra much
more than you can ever know. If you would like our forwarding address, please
contact us via Suzanne's email (SuzanneBooth at yahoo.com) and we will send you
the information poste haste!

Love,

Suzanne and Angus
Barony of Bjornsborg, Kingdom of Ansteorra



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From dssweet at okstate.edu  Thu Aug 21 14:59:04 2003
From: dssweet at okstate.edu (Deborah Sweet)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:59:04 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <OF7FD23D85.81A60819-ON86256D89.006F8ABF@okstate.edu>

Claire said:
>With the population increase of both the state and the SCA  facilities 
need to be bigger 
>than in the past so that reduces the number of sites to choose from and 
then those sites 

Hold up there. While Texas may have had an increase in *their* state 
population, the same is not true of Oklahoma - we lost a US 
Representative. Therefore the rest that followed that statement may not be 
true up here.


>This increase in population is good for the SCA but it is straining  the 
resources of 
>individual groups in the kingdom.  >IF< Ansteorra divided >right now< 
into two 
>kingdoms, they would still be of a comparable size as far as numbers of 
groups goes, 
>with other SCA kingdoms. 

Well, not really, at least according the numbers that Perronnelle posted 
earlier about the number of groups in the other kingdoms. No one region in 
Ansteorra has as many groups as the smallest kingdom (by number of groups 
Atenveldt - 18). And even if we could somehow divide totally in half (21 
and 22 groups), that still would put both new kingdoms near the bottom of 
the rankings (ie, only Atenveldt (18) and Artemisia (19) would have fewer 
groups). Somehow I think the designator "small" is to be avoided when 
talking to Texans. :)

As an example of a viable principality (at least in the BoD's eyes), the 
Principality of Northshield will be going kingdom in October of this year 
- and they have 32 groups in their principality, already divided into 
three regions. And even with Northshield breaking away from the Middle, 
the Middle will still have the most number of groups with 86 (down from 
118). The next newest Kingdom, Lochac, has 35 groups. 

Right now Ansteorra ranks as the eighth most populous kingdom by comparing 
total number of groups. If you compared kingdoms by *percentage* number of 
baronial level groups, however, Ansteorra ranks number 3 with 30 percent 
of our groups baronial level (behind Atenveldt and Atlantia, 
respectively). We're number seven in percentages of Cantons with 21 
percent. And for percentages of shires, we're number 12 at 44 percent. The 
total averages by adding all kingdoms is: 21% baronial, 20% canton, 50% 
shire, and 11% other. As a kingdom, Ansteorra has: 30% baronial, 21% 
cantons, 44% shires, and 5% other. So we're baronial-heavy and a little 
light in shires and "other" groups (though probably if we sat down and 
counted up all the dormant colleges that might change a bit).

I'd really like to take the time and figure out the square miles (or some 
other logical number) covered by each kingdom, and the actual number of 
persons living there, and the number of persons per square mile, and 
compare kingdoms across the board to see which ones really are "large" or 
"small" for their areas, possible population, etc. Only then can real 
meaning be placed behind these numbers.

Estrill
continuously opinionated
 




From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Thu Aug 21 16:40:42 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <KBOCEPCBEMIKPGAA@mailcity.com>


I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.

Nell

------------------------------

I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you 
don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.

I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather 
have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than 
have 3 bland "formula" events.

Yours,
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Thu Aug 21 18:30:24 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:30:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
References: <KBOCEPCBEMIKPGAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3684c$fe6d8760$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

I believe that would be called a multi group event.  They are allowed.  But,
I think, you have to get Kingdom approval.

Gilli
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth Turner" <nellwynn0 at lycos.com>
To: "ansteorra list" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:40 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events


>
> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or
shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as a
required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the perfect
solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>
> Nell
>
> ------------------------------
>
> I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you
> don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.
>
> I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather
> have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than
> have 3 bland "formula" events.
>
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands
>
>
>
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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 21 20:05:12 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:05:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <007801c36793$d834d3a0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030822030512.3761.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com>



Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
>You said, "more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun at
>events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they >end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something
>else...".

>Those crisis management or something else's might have just as easily been
>taken care of by someone else, IF given the chance, opportunity or perhaps a
>bit of guidance.

People ARE given the chance...they have the chance everytime a problem comes up...they are just not confident enough or just don't want to deal with stuff so instead of following procedure, asking advice, or doing the research themselves...they run to an "authority" to handle it...

I'm not saying that there aren't situations that we need the immediate attention of authority for...anything dealing with legal issues needs to be taken to the chain of command immediately...

I'm talking about personality conflicts, timing issues, or even just discontent...

> But as we have talked before, some folks just keep
>jumping into the fire till they get a grumpy golden brown. I guarantee you
>that one of two things would have happened had that peer not been there: 1)
>someone else would have taken care of it, or 2) folks would have just lived
>with it.

I seem to understand from this comment that you think the Peers are jumping in without allowing others to take care of it...and I was coming from the direct opposite point of view...that people draw in the Peers too quickly at times...instead of working through things themselves...

and ya know...both viewpoints are valid...!

>Teaching is what we do, or at least I thought so. That should also include
>letting folks do what they have been tought or let them do on the job
>training.


Very true...and sometimes that means standing back and watching the "kids" make their mistakes and sometimes it means teaching by example...


>So, it was a self infected wound. By their continuing to jump in the fire,
>the deprived some one of the opportunity to feel the heat some to get use to
>it. Folks get use to haveing someone take care of things to the point the
>one doing the taking care of walks off. That's a terrible loss, but it
>dosen't seem to bring things to a hault nor change the nature of the beast.

In some ways it is a self perpetuating thing...but you might consider that any time a Peer walks away...they will be called down 7 ways to sunday about how they abrogated their responsibilities and cussed for being a "bad Peer"...tell ya what....I've got that T-Shirt...and unfortunately it is a large part of being a Peer...like being a parent...you have to be able to "fade the heat"...for your every action, non-action and reaction...you also have to figure out when to give advice, when to let the little birds fly...and when to walk away...not an easy thing...

>To add to this sad fact of life, it's not just peers this sort of thing
>happens to either.


I'm sure it even happens to Gillis ;-)


>Did that help?


It helped me...I really did not understand where you were coming from on that one...

Thanks for the response...


>Gilli

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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Thu Aug 21 20:22:04 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:22:04 -0500
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <20030822030512.3761.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3685c$90d27f20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Yep, it sure does happen to Gillis too.

People will say or do as they please.  Even as hard skined as I appear to
be, it is sometimes hard to ignore some things that are said and even
implied by the way they are said.  Some times I really do admire the outward
appearance politicans can give on personal attacks and the like.

But one should ask ones self, "If I walk away, who benifits?"

As it is true, that people will say and do as they please, they will also
have opinons and attitudes on various subjects. I'm not too sure any of
those have been changed on this list.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:05 PM
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


>
>
> Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
> >You said, "more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun
at
> >events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they
>end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something
> >else...".
>
> >Those crisis management or something else's might have just as easily
been
> >taken care of by someone else, IF given the chance, opportunity or
perhaps a
> >bit of guidance.
>
> People ARE given the chance...they have the chance everytime a problem
comes up...they are just not confident enough or just don't want to deal
with stuff so instead of following procedure, asking advice, or doing the
research themselves...they run to an "authority" to handle it...
>
> I'm not saying that there aren't situations that we need the immediate
attention of authority for...anything dealing with legal issues needs to be
taken to the chain of command immediately...
>
> I'm talking about personality conflicts, timing issues, or even just
discontent...
>
> > But as we have talked before, some folks just keep
> >jumping into the fire till they get a grumpy golden brown. I guarantee
you
> >that one of two things would have happened had that peer not been there:
1)
> >someone else would have taken care of it, or 2) folks would have just
lived
> >with it.
>
> I seem to understand from this comment that you think the Peers are
jumping in without allowing others to take care of it...and I was coming
from the direct opposite point of view...that people draw in the Peers too
quickly at times...instead of working through things themselves...
>
> and ya know...both viewpoints are valid...!
>
> >Teaching is what we do, or at least I thought so. That should also
include
> >letting folks do what they have been tought or let them do on the job
> >training.
>
>
> Very true...and sometimes that means standing back and watching the "kids"
make their mistakes and sometimes it means teaching by example...
>
>
> >So, it was a self infected wound. By their continuing to jump in the
fire,
> >the deprived some one of the opportunity to feel the heat some to get use
to
> >it. Folks get use to haveing someone take care of things to the point the
> >one doing the taking care of walks off. That's a terrible loss, but it
> >dosen't seem to bring things to a hault nor change the nature of the
beast.
>
> In some ways it is a self perpetuating thing...but you might consider that
any time a Peer walks away...they will be called down 7 ways to sunday about
how they abrogated their responsibilities and cussed for being a "bad
Peer"...tell ya what....I've got that T-Shirt...and unfortunately it is a
large part of being a Peer...like being a parent...you have to be able to
"fade the heat"...for your every action, non-action and reaction...you also
have to figure out when to give advice, when to let the little birds
fly...and when to walk away...not an easy thing...
>
> >To add to this sad fact of life, it's not just peers this sort of thing
> >happens to either.
>
>
> I'm sure it even happens to Gillis ;-)
>
>
> >Did that help?
>
>
> It helped me...I really did not understand where you were coming from on
that one...
>
> Thanks for the response...
>
>
> >Gilli
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
>
>
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From mtucker at airmail.net  Thu Aug 21 23:06:49 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:06:49 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
In-Reply-To: <KBOCEPCBEMIKPGAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <D121DC26-D466-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 06:40  PM, Beth Turner wrote:

>
> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or 
> shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as 
> a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the 
> perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>
> Nell
>

Au contraire, Madame! :-)

It is entirely acceptable for two or three groups of any sort - 
cantons, shires, baronies, mix-and-match - to do an event together. If 
several cantons banded together to host an event, it would most likely 
count as their "required" event.

I deliberately put "required" in quotes because, strictly speaking, 
they aren't *required* to host an event each year. Per Kingdom Law, 
they are merely required to demonstrate "regular activity". This is 
usually accomplished by hosting events, but it isn't required that you 
host an event every year, or that you do it solo. Talk to the kingdom 
seneschal if you aren't sure.

Yours,
Michael Silverhands
(former territorial Baron; former regional Seneschal; author of the 
June, 2000 edition of the Seneschal's Handbook; currently not holding 
any office whatsoever *smile*)



From mtucker at airmail.net  Fri Aug 22 00:03:55 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 02:03:55 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
In-Reply-To: <D121DC26-D466-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <CB44DA82-D46E-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>

Ah, curse the luck, quoting myself. So cut my pay. :-P

> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 06:40  PM, Beth Turner wrote:
>> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons 
>> or shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count 
>> as a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the 
>> perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>>
>> Nell
>>
>

On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 01:06  AM, Michael Tucker wrote:
> It is entirely acceptable for two or three groups of any sort - 
> cantons, shires, baronies, mix-and-match - to do an event together. If 
> several cantons banded together to host an event, it would most likely 
> count as their "required" event.
>

One minor but important point that I'd like to clarify: such an event 
*would* probably count as their "proof of activity", but it would *not* 
count against any of the sponsoring group's event limit (e.g. one event 
per year). They can still have a "solo" on-calendar event if they want 
to, in addition to the multi-group event. So, it's the best of both 
worlds.

Michael Silverhands



From IagoAH at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 04:31:50 2003
From: IagoAH at aol.com (IagoAH@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:31:50 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <1da.fb6ac39.2c775926@aol.com>

I'll be out of the next session.  I'll send an updated copy of my character 
along.

Greg


From rixende at mail2noble.com  Fri Aug 22 06:44:08 2003
From: rixende at mail2noble.com (Jhan Knebel)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 06:44:08 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Propane Heater Recall
Message-ID: <fa5801c368b3$75ba1570$0a04010a@mail2world.com>

Greetings Ansteorra!
 
I received this recall notice, and figured that it could easily affect
numerous Ansteorrans.  If you purchased one of these heaters from
Academy, please follow the instructions!
 
In Service,
Rixende
 
http://www.safetyalerts.com/recall/p/02/p0013182.htm
 
The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission announces the following
recall in voluntary cooperation with the firm below. Consumers should
stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed. 

Name of product: Timber Creek Propane Heaters 

Units: About 40,400

Manufacturer: Academy Sports and Outdoors, of Katy, Texas

Hazard: The heaters can emit high levels of carbon monoxide (CO), posing
a risk of CO poisoning to consumers if used indoors.

Incidents/Injuries: No injuries have been reported. This recall is being
conducted to prevent the possibility of injuries.

Description: The heaters have a 6 inch heat reflector and operate with a
disposable 16.4-ounce or 14.1-ounce propane tank, sold separately. The
product has a chrome neck, a black "on/off" switch, and a black plastic
base that houses the propane cylinder.

Sold at: "Academy Sports and Outdoors" stores exclusively sold the
heaters in Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee
and Texas from Sept. 2001 through May 2003 for about $20.

Manufactured in: China

Remedy: Return the heaters to any Academy Store for a refund.

Consumer Contact: Academy stores at (800) 577-8684 between 8:30 a.m. and
5 p.m. CT Monday through Friday, or visit the firm's Web site at
www.academy.com.

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From kschumach at comcast.net  Wed Aug 20 12:27:18 2003
From: kschumach at comcast.net (Kristin Schumacher)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:27:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] virus warning
Message-ID: <3F43CB96.20105@comcast.net>

Greetings and sorry for any cross-posting,
I just wanted to let you know that Norton Anti-Virus just quarantined an 
email with the W32.Dumaru at mm virus.  It had an attachment that was named 
patch.exe.  According to Norton this is a particularly nasty virus that 
destroys the programs it infects.  Since the email was quarantined, I'm 
not sure who it was from so you may want to run a virus scan on your 
system.  Luckily I was able to stop it from doing anything to my system 
due to Norton. 

in service,
Ly Annabel Kincaid




From Medicfem at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 07:37:16 2003
From: Medicfem at aol.com (Medicfem@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:37:16 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Propane Heater Recall
Message-ID: <5B59D7A4.0DF592BE.0079E0D6@aol.com>

Thank You! I happen to own the exact model mentioned. I appreciate the info.

Lady Caley of Lancashire
Chirurgeon in the Shire of Seawinds
Autocrat Seawinds Defender Oct.24-26,2003


From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 10:57:35 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:57:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000601c3685c$90d27f20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030822175735.12866.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com>



Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
(snip)

>As it is true, that people will say and do as they please, they will also
>have opinons and attitudes on various subjects. I'm not too sure any of
>those have been changed on this list.

I think that the great thing about this list is that all the people who read it will see that there is no ONE point of view...and there is no ONE authority on any given subject...and so they will read the stuff here...and be able to form a better opinion or be more effective for themselves and their group because they have seen more than one point of view...

I have also seen people be able to bring out their perceptions and have them validated...or dispelled here...which I think is a good thing...

>Gilli
Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.


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From medievalbelle at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 11:34:12 2003
From: medievalbelle at yahoo.com (Stacy E. Dickey)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:34:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
Message-ID: <20030822183412.3292.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings all,

   I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdo armourer in
attendance at Defender this year. Duke Andreas Icefalcon will be
selling armour and rattan, sharing merchant space with Spiers
Saddlery. If you have any specific pieces you'd like him to bring,
please contact me <colete at stickjock.com> and I'll arrange it.


Pour Dieu, Roi, et Pays...
Madame Colete d'Evreux


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From valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 12:52:08 2003
From: valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com (John Yates)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:52:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
In-Reply-To: <20030822183412.3292.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030822195208.25881.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com>

   There's another reason to make this year's Defender
my first event to make there. He has been a long-time
member of the Arnour Archive, and it would be cool to
meet him in person.

Valstarr


--- "Stacy E. Dickey" <medievalbelle at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greetings all,
> 
>    I'm pleased to mention we will have an East
> Kingdo armourer in
> attendance at Defender this year. Duke Andreas
> Icefalcon will be
> selling armour and rattan, sharing merchant space
> with Spiers
> Saddlery. If you have any specific pieces you'd like
> him to bring,
> please contact me <colete at stickjock.com> and I'll
> arrange it.
> 
> 
> Pour Dieu, Roi, et Pays...
> Madame Colete d'Evreux
> 
> 
> =====
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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From Ciard49 at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 13:00:51 2003
From: Ciard49 at aol.com (Ciard49@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:00:51 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
Message-ID: <ac.46562dc0.2c77d073@aol.com>



> I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdom armourer in
> attendance at Defender this year.

Which Defender would that be, please?

Ciard


From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 22 13:44:27 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:44:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
References: <ac.46562dc0.2c77d073@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE68FkuutSgcO00000463@hotmail.com>

hehe...

ElfSea Defender.

Here's his armour:

http://www.icefalcon.com/

Morgan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Ciard49 at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender


> 
> 
> > I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdom armourer in
> > attendance at Defender this year.
> 
> Which Defender would that be, please?
> 
> Ciard
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From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Fri Aug 22 14:53:48 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:53:48 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <OJCJHIHLBIBPPGAA@mailcity.com>


Merci beaucoup, Monsieur

Obviously I was misinformed all around.  I guess if you want to be sure of something, you need to look it up yourself.  <sigh>

In service,
Nell


--------- Original Message ---------

DATE: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:06:49
From: Michael Tucker <mtucker at airmail.net>
To: nellwynn0 at lycos.com,"Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Cc: 

>
>On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 06:40  PM, Beth Turner wrote:
>
>>
>> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or 
>> shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as 
>> a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the 
>> perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>>
>> Nell
>>
>
>Au contraire, Madame! :-)
>
>It is entirely acceptable for two or three groups of any sort - 
>cantons, shires, baronies, mix-and-match - to do an event together. If 
>several cantons banded together to host an event, it would most likely 
>count as their "required" event.
>
>I deliberately put "required" in quotes because, strictly speaking, 
>they aren't *required* to host an event each year. Per Kingdom Law, 
>they are merely required to demonstrate "regular activity". This is 
>usually accomplished by hosting events, but it isn't required that you 
>host an event every year, or that you do it solo. Talk to the kingdom 
>seneschal if you aren't sure.
>
>Yours,
>Michael Silverhands
>(former territorial Baron; former regional Seneschal; author of the 
>June, 2000 edition of the Seneschal's Handbook; currently not holding 
>any office whatsoever *smile*)
>
>



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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 15:41:08 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:41:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE68FkuutSgcO00000463@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030822224108.43286.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>

Glad to see he's back from the sandbox...
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
hehe...

ElfSea Defender.

Here's his armour:

http://www.icefalcon.com/

Morgan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender


> 
> 
> > I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdom armourer in
> > attendance at Defender this year.
> 
> Which Defender would that be, please?
> 
> Ciard
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From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 02:04:23 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 02:04:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby
Message-ID: <20030823090423.29904.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com>

oh!  Sally's water just broke!  We are going to be at Craig Hospital, 801 N. Foreman st.  Vinita, OK.  918-256-7551, under Sally Stewart.
Yeah!!!
Robert and Sally



Lord Skerri Valtorsson
Knight Marshall
Incipient Canton of Chemin Noir
Barony of Northkeep
Kingdom of Ansteorra

Praise no sword before wet, no ale before drunk, nor ice before crossed

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From IagoAH at aol.com  Sat Aug 23 06:02:37 2003
From: IagoAH at aol.com (IagoAH@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:02:37 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <fb.4553e4f9.2c78bfed@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/22/03 6:34:10 AM Central Daylight Time, IagoAH at aol.com 
writes:


> I'll be out of the next session.  I'll send an updated copy of my character 
> 
> along.
> 
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
> 

Sorry folks this was written in a "reply all" to a gaming group. Don't know 
how addresses got changed to the ansteorra list. 

Iago


From LrdWayland at aol.com  Sun Aug 24 00:02:59 2003
From: LrdWayland at aol.com (LrdWayland@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 03:02:59 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX
Message-ID: <134.24331130.2c79bd23@aol.com>

Greetings,
 I heard there was some bit of a discussion on this list about who all went 
to Estrella War. I must have missed the thread, but I sure haven't missed the 
event.
 Many of us from Seawinds have been going to this event for several years. We 
usually bring around 6 or more people, once we fielded 10 (I think) fighters 
under the Ansteorran banner. We've gone as a Seawinds unit at times, however, 
in the past three years we've fought as Legio Australis.
 If you were there at the last Estrella, you may have seen our encampment. We 
set up with our Outlands allies and erected two 3-story wooden towers as our 
camp entrance. I cannot say enough about the wonderful hospitality shown to us 
over the many years by our wonderful Outlands neighbors. They welcome us as 
long lost brothers and are very thankful for our continued support. 
 Seawinds/Legio aren't the only Ansteorrans there by any means. I've seen 
many from our Kingdom fighting in other units, such as the Fray and as 
Ansteorrans with our Crown at times.
 The event itself is totally awesome, great battles where warriors from 
Ansteorra shine upon the battlefield through our heroic deeds. I've heard fighters 
from other kingdoms talking about us at the days end. Ansteorrans have a well 
earned reputation as honorable and extremely deadly opponents. I hope that 
even more will join us there next year to help keep our reputation alive & 
strong. 
 Our Outlands brothers have supported us at Gulf War, so please, let's do our 
Kingdom proud by continuing to support them, make that extra effort to attend 
Estrella War XX in Feb 2004.

Wayland
commander/Leg-Aus
Lt. Seawinds Shire Guard


From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 24 04:32:13 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 04:32:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <20030824113213.59140.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com>

We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures today or tomorrow!


Lord Skerri Valtorsson
Knight Marshall
Incipient Canton of Chemin Noir
Barony of Northkeep
Kingdom of Ansteorra

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From isabeau at ansteorra.net  Sun Aug 24 07:42:40 2003
From: isabeau at ansteorra.net (isabeau)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:42:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <200308240942.AA225902792@ansteorra.net>

Wonderful!  (sorry about the c-section, though. they suck.)  August is a great month for birthdays, I had my twins on Aug 11th. 18 years ago (yikes!)

Congratulations to all and a big Welcome to Heather Louise :)

Isabeau
>We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures today or tomorrow!
>
>
>Lord Skerri Valtorsson
>Knight Marshall
>Incipient Canton of Chemin Noir
>Barony of Northkeep
>Kingdom of Ansteorra
>
>Praise no sword before wet, no ale before drunk, nor ice before crossed
>
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From isabeau at ansteorra.net  Sun Aug 24 07:56:19 2003
From: isabeau at ansteorra.net (isabeau)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:56:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <200308240956.AA259916076@ansteorra.net>

Welcome Heather Louise!


>We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures today or tomorrow!


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From cnetterville at ih2000.net  Sun Aug 24 08:32:16 2003
From: cnetterville at ih2000.net (charles netterville)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:32:16 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
References: <200308240956.AA259916076@ansteorra.net>
Message-ID: <001101c36a54$e7b064c0$266222d1@g1w3z6>

Congratulations and welcome to the newest subject of Ansteorra.
    August is indeed a wonderful time to be born. I did it myself on the
26th almost 37 years ago. The arrival of new life and unbounded joy is the
perfect way to celebrate one's birthday. Tell little Heather Louise thank
you for giving me just that opportunity this year. And unto the undoubtedly
beaming and proud parents, I say VIVAT!!! The fun begins now. In joyous
service, Elrique of Bordermarch
----- Original Message -----
From: "isabeau" <isabeau at ansteorra.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] baby update


> Welcome Heather Louise!
>
>
> >We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather
Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the
hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be
there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures
today or tomorrow!
>
>
> --
> Do not worry about what people are thinking about you--for they are not
thinking about you. They are wondering what you are thinking about them.
>
>
>
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From cnetterville at ih2000.net  Sun Aug 24 08:45:38 2003
From: cnetterville at ih2000.net (charles netterville)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:45:38 -0500
Subject: Fw: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <002001c36a56$c4faac40$266222d1@g1w3z6>


----- Original Message -----
From: "charles netterville" <cnetterville at ih2000.net>
To: <isabeau at ansteorra.net>; "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
<ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] baby update


> Congratulations and welcome to the newest subject of Ansteorra.
>     August is indeed a wonderful time to be born. I did it myself on the
> 26th almost 37 years ago. The arrival of new life and unbounded joy is the
> perfect way to celebrate one's birthday. Tell little Heather Louise thank
> you for giving me just that opportunity this year. And unto the
undoubtedly
> beaming and proud parents, I say VIVAT!!! The fun begins now. In joyous
> service, Elrique of Bordermarch
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "isabeau" <isabeau at ansteorra.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] baby update
>
>
> > Welcome Heather Louise!
> >
> >
> > >We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather
> Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the
> hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be
> there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures
> today or tomorrow!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Do not worry about what people are thinking about you--for they are not
> thinking about you. They are wondering what you are thinking about them.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Sun Aug 24 09:05:04 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:05:04 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
In-Reply-To: <001101c36a54$e7b064c0$266222d1@g1w3z6>
Message-ID: <B95EF66D-D64C-11D7-83D5-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 10:32 AM, charles netterville wrote:
> Congratulations and welcome to the newest subject of Ansteorra.
>     August is indeed a wonderful time to be born. I did it myself on 
> the
> 26th almost 37 years ago. The arrival of new life and unbounded joy is 
> the
> perfect way to celebrate one's birthday. Tell little Heather Louise 
> thank
> you for giving me just that opportunity this year. And unto the 
> undoubtedly
> beaming and proud parents, I say VIVAT!!! The fun begins now. In joyous
> service, Elrique of Bordermarch

Greetings Elrique,

Congratulations, it seems we share the same birthday!

For those in the SCA who now have a baby there are a few files in the 
Florilegium that might be of interest. I highly recommend those that 
detail how to keep your baby safe at SCA camping events and those that 
might help ease the work of caring for your children. Here are a few 
from the CHILDREN section:
babies-msg       (103K)  2/ 2/01    Camping with babies.
baby-gifts-msg    (20K)  4/13/98    Period-type and SCA-useful baby 
gifts.
baby-slings-msg    (9K)  2/ 2/01    Cloth slings for carrying your baby.
child-wagons-msg   (7K)  9/27/99    Wagons for hauling children at 
events.
p-cradles-msg      (5K)  9/ 7/01    Period baby cradles.
teething-toys-msg (22K)  1/ 5/01    Period and SCA teething toys for 
infants.

And for those whose babies are still on the way:
pregnancy-msg      (9K)  9/ 3/99    Pregnancy in period. Handling it in 
the SCA.

...and for those who would like to start such a project in the future:
aphrodisiacs-msg  (15K)  7/31/01    Medieval aphrodisiacs.

Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
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From vscribe at ansteorra.org  Sun Aug 24 15:50:20 2003
From: vscribe at ansteorra.org (Ansteorra Virtual Scribe)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:50:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX
References: <134.24331130.2c79bd23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <028301c36a92$38c30420$31baee0c@c59303a>

I am looking forward to going again. But as Morgan stated below, we really
did not see many Ansteorrans. We hunted for about 2 hours through all the
campsites looking at all the banners. We found old Ansteorran's that moved
to other kingdoms, thank god for remembering old heraldry *grin*, but no one
current.

It was not until much later while shopping that I saw one of our siege
engines and a few members. I was very happy to see them. Then later still,
yes, the towers, I found them, I went the vigil, what a vigil it was. I have
to say. It has been at least a decade since I have seen a vigil like that.
He was indeed a well loved man. :)

I hope to be at Estrella 2004, although, hubby was not very happy when he
realized that 2003 happened to fall on the weekend of Valentines just a few
days before I was to depart even though I had discussed it with him and
purchased my tickets in 2002. Men, and you think we women confuse you, sigh.
;)

And yes, I will be teaching my glove class again, already getting many
inquiries! Yes, I will be taking orders for kits this time.

Chiara
Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <LrdWayland at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 2:02 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX


: Greetings,
:  I heard there was some bit of a discussion on this list about who all
went
: to Estrella War. I must have missed the thread, but I sure haven't missed
the
: event.
:  Many of us from Seawinds have been going to this event for several years.
We
: usually bring around 6 or more people, once we fielded 10 (I think)
fighters
: under the Ansteorran banner. We've gone as a Seawinds unit at times,
however,
: in the past three years we've fought as Legio Australis.
:  If you were there at the last Estrella, you may have seen our encampment.
We
: set up with our Outlands allies and erected two 3-story wooden towers as
our
: camp entrance. I cannot say enough about the wonderful hospitality shown
to us
: over the many years by our wonderful Outlands neighbors. They welcome us
as
: long lost brothers and are very thankful for our continued support.
:  Seawinds/Legio aren't the only Ansteorrans there by any means. I've seen
: many from our Kingdom fighting in other units, such as the Fray and as
: Ansteorrans with our Crown at times.
:  The event itself is totally awesome, great battles where warriors from
: Ansteorra shine upon the battlefield through our heroic deeds. I've heard
fighters
: from other kingdoms talking about us at the days end. Ansteorrans have a
well
: earned reputation as honorable and extremely deadly opponents. I hope that
: even more will join us there next year to help keep our reputation alive &
: strong.
:  Our Outlands brothers have supported us at Gulf War, so please, let's do
our
: Kingdom proud by continuing to support them, make that extra effort to
attend
: Estrella War XX in Feb 2004.
:
: Wayland
: commander/Leg-Aus
: Lt. Seawinds Shire Guard
: _______________________________________________


Chiara
Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <morgancain at earthlink.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events


: I thought there were only six of us there - Chiara, Big Morgan, Master
Etc.
: Modius, and Their Majesties - because excepting Morgan (whom Chiara saw
: elsewhere) there were only five of us in court, and I didn't see any other
: specifically Ansteorran people there that I recall.
:
: I guessed there were more when I saw more than the two of us (Chiara and
: myself) listed on the volunteer posting post-war.  If you saw a
waterbearer
: in an Ansteorran tabard at Estrella this past year, it was one of us.
:
: I think the reason we-all didn't think the others were there is that
unlike
: last year, there wasn't a specifically Ansteorran Camp onsite.
:
:                              ---= Morgan
:
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: > Three attended from Northkeep... myself, Marcus Quietly,
: > and Lynn the Inquisitive.
: >
: > -zubeydah
: >
: > Karolus writes:
: >
: > I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf,
: but
: > I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I
think
: > we had the 8 in the rental car at War.
: >
: > Karolus
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From DonPieter at aol.com  Sun Aug 24 16:09:32 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:09:32 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <e.34b000ff.2c7a9fac@aol.com>

Does the site for gothic have a street address?

Pieter Rausch


From chiang at odsy.net  Sun Aug 24 21:37:40 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:37:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <e.34b000ff.2c7a9fac@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004001c36ac2$9ef40de0$5a50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

Not that I know of it. Do you need directions on how to get there? There is
a website with directions and information on this great event:
http://www.geocities.com/crossrodekeep/GothicWarXII/ . Hope this helps.
Yours in service,
HE Chiang

----- Original Message -----
From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 6:09 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address


> Does the site for gothic have a street address?
>
> Pieter Rausch





From ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 24 22:05:31 2003
From: ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net (Phelippe Descors)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:05:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War
Message-ID: <20030825050531.95254.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com>

Can someone please post the price to get into Gothic. 
There are no prices listed on the website.

     Phelippe


From dirkthedead at cox.net  Sun Aug 24 22:56:22 2003
From: dirkthedead at cox.net (Dirk the Dead)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:56:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War
References: <20030825050531.95254.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c36acd$9d0fbc80$68216d44@dl.cox.net>




Site is $12 ($3 Non-member fee)  Kids 5-12 are $5

Dirk the All Knowing

> Can someone please post the price to get into Gothic. 
> There are no prices listed on the website.
> 
>      Phelippe



From chiang at odsy.net  Sun Aug 24 22:55:17 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:55:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War
References: <20030825050531.95254.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006501c36acd$768714f0$5a50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

The prices are $12 for adults, $5 for kids 5-12, $3 NMS. I am not sure about
a family cap, but will see what I can find out, but most likely will be
about the same price as three adults.
Chiang, the ever helpful, well mostly anyway

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phelippe Descors" <ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 12:05 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War


> Can someone please post the price to get into Gothic.
> There are no prices listed on the website.
>
>      Phelippe





From edrei at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 25 04:32:11 2003
From: edrei at earthlink.net (David  Backlin)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:32:11 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] FINAL COUNTDOWN!!
Message-ID: <002d01c36afc$87c5dce0$d02afea9@gateway>

We are approaching the final countdown to Mid Summer Knights Dream in
Smythkepe. Can you believe it's this weekend?? My how time flies.

We have a lot of things planned: fighting (heavy and light), classes
(including COGA classes), a quest, bardic competition and so much more (and
of COURSE there's an anvil toss... would we forget the anvil toss?) Annnnnd,
it's a full weekend event as well, so you can come down Friday night and
have two full days of fun and excitment (or 2 full days of shopping the
merchants if that's what you like;) ).

We are getting ready to bring you the largest MSKD in recent memory, but
something is missing: YOU!!

Our Autocrat, Frederick has been fretting himself purple preparing for his
event, making sure everything will go on as planned.

Our feastocrat Geoffrey is slaving away in a hot kitchen preparing a
sumptious feast for everyone. If you don't come, he'll be very disappointed.


So come on down to our place for the weekend and share some Smythkepe
hospitality.

More details are available at the following website: www.smythkeeptavern.org


MSKD XI. This weekend! Be here! Aloha!




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From rs_teke at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 10:05:33 2003
From: rs_teke at yahoo.com (Christine Grosvenor)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:05:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for Armor
In-Reply-To: <200308251700.h7PH03a01083@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <20030825170533.83527.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com>

The Shire of Tempio is looking to purchase used or
inexpensive armor for the use of loaner gear.  If any
groups or individuals have any gear they would like to
sell, please contact me off the list with information
on the items, their condition, and what you would want
for them.  rs_teke at yahoo.com

In Service, 
Renee' Grosvenor
Shire of Tempio

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From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 10:13:43 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:13:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby
Message-ID: <20030825171343.94874.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks, you alls, that is interesting about three now having the same b-day!  Virgos outweigh others in annis and mine's families.  Wonder what we were all doing in the winter?


Lord Skerri Valtorsson
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Barony of Northkeep
Kingdom of Ansteorra

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From morgancain at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 25 10:18:59 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (morgancain@earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:18:59 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX 
Message-ID: <184670-220038125171859744@M2W047.mail2web.com>

Has anybody thought of having a Kingdom camp at Estrella as is done
(mostly) at Pennsic?  Or is that heresy?

                     ---= the littler Morgan from Steppes


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From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 25 15:39:41 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:39:41 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030825173533.013b3cc4@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 11:37 PM 8/24/03 -0500, you wrote:

>Not that I know of it. Do you need directions on how to get there? There is
>a website with directions and information on this great event:
>http://www.geocities.com/crossrodekeep/GothicWarXII/ . Hope this helps.
>Yours in service,
>HE Chiang


Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
bottom, rather than the top.

	-Tivar Moondragon
	obsessive cartographer


From jtc at swordworks.org  Mon Aug 25 15:49:12 2003
From: jtc at swordworks.org (James Crouchet)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:49:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <3F43BF26.26650.791D5D@localhost>
References: <3F43BF26.26650.791D5D@localhost>
Message-ID: <200308251749.12282.jtc@swordworks.org>

On Wednesday 20 August 2003 06:34 pm, Elizabeth Crouchet wrote:

> This increase in population is good for the SCA but it is straining  the
> resources of individual groups in the kingdom.  >IF< Ansteorra divided
> >right now< into two kingdoms, they would still be of a comparable size
> as far as numbers of groups goes, with other SCA kingdoms. That is why
> our calendar is more crowded than those kingdom's calendars. I just hope
> that our population size makes it possible for us to host successfully
> that many more events at a time.

Well, we are much bigger than a small kingdom like the Outlands with ony 30 
groups but large kingdoms have as many groups as us. The East, for 
example, which has something like 75 groups in 4 regions. The Middle has 
84 in 4 regions and that does not count the 35 in the soon to be kingdom 
of Northshield. Yes, those are big kingdoms but they manage their calendar 
somehow. Perhaps we should look over some of their ideas and see if they 
are worth stealing. ;-)

Besides, if a new kingdom splits off from the Middle they only have to stop 
being from the Middle. If a new kingdom split off from Ansteorra they 
would have to stop being Ansteorran!

;-)

CD




From jtc at swordworks.org  Mon Aug 25 15:51:52 2003
From: jtc at swordworks.org (James Crouchet)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:51:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question
In-Reply-To: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
References: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200308251751.52841.jtc@swordworks.org>

On Wednesday 20 August 2003 10:55 pm, Elaine Crittenden wrote:
> An impish little thought just jumped into my brain:
>
> Why couldn't a Barony which has an extra event date they don't want to
> use barter the date to another group that wants a date and can't because
> of limitations? I am thinking along the lines of politicians who have a
> certain number of minutes to speak and yield part or all of the time the
> former is alotted to another politician for the latter's use.
>
> Next question:
> Now just what could one barter for time? Hmmmmm. Interesting
> ponderance...

I can see it now: a thriving new business in black market calendar dates.

;-)

Dor?




From celestria_ledragon at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 16:20:22 2003
From: celestria_ledragon at yahoo.com (Celestria LeDragon)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:20:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Book of Hours Exhibition
Message-ID: <20030825232022.61237.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings,
 
At the Kimball Museum in Fort Worth during October 12, 2003–January 18, 2004 they will have 58 pages of books of hours including The luxuriant Hours of Catherine of Cleves.
Here is the website.
 
http://www.kimbellart.org/exhibitions/exh_file.cfm?id=100
 
 
In Service
Lady Celestria leDragon




 


From DonPieter at aol.com  Mon Aug 25 16:29:35 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:29:35 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <136.23875a53.2c7bf5df@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/25/2003 5:43:40 PM Central Standard Time, 
moondrgn at austin.rr.com writes:

> 
> Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
> bottom, rather than the top.
> 
>   -Tivar Moondragon
>   obsessive cartographer
> 

Yre, I looked at it and figured that. 
Pieter
Another obsessive cartographer


From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 25 17:43:46 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:43:46 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <BAY1-F44bj36Kn1FS7400009da1@hotmail.com>

Is is "just" upside down or is it upside down and backwards? Not that sure 
of west Ansteorra.

plachoya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra

>
>
>Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
>bottom, rather than the top.
>
>	-Tivar Moondragon
>	obsessive cartographer

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From cellach at breezykilt.com  Mon Aug 25 18:03:37 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:03:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <052601c36b6d$eddf7d80$1108a8c0@bobby>

> Besides, if a new kingdom splits off from the Middle they only have to stop
> being from the Middle. If a new kingdom split off from Ansteorra they
> would have to stop being Ansteorran!


Clearly, this is the most persuasive bit of argument I've yet to hear on this subject!

Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!


From valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 18:57:44 2003
From: valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com (John Yates)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>

   Missed most of the many posts in this thread  for
the past couple of weeks, but the last couple that
mentioned a kingdom coming out of Ansteorra would have
the people stop calling themselves Ansteorrans.
  Can you see the conversation:
1. "You stop being an  Ansteorran!"
2. "No, YOU stop being an Ansteorran!"
   A little levity (hopefully,) in your Monday
evening.

Regards,
Valstarr


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From ferret at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 25 19:34:17 2003
From: ferret at hot.rr.com (Paul DeLisle)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:34:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CCEDJGIDBGOMKABAAKMBMECMEDAA.ferret@hot.rr.com>

>    Missed most of the many posts in this thread  for
> the past couple of weeks, but the last couple that
> mentioned a kingdom coming out of Ansteorra would have
> the people stop calling themselves Ansteorrans.
>   Can you see the conversation:
> 1. "You stop being an  Ansteorran!"
> 2. "No, YOU stop being an Ansteorran!"
>    A little levity (hopefully,) in your Monday evening.
> Regards, Valstarr

....But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head, and
every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks we're
too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split when
somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
Alden
(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )




From PKieferjr at aol.com  Mon Aug 25 19:47:31 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:47:31 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <1c1.e206ce3.2c7c2443@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time, 
ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head, and
every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks we're
too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split when
somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
Alden
(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....

...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?  
Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a 
nuke on us.

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
(Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)


From swieland at direcway.com  Mon Aug 25 20:17:47 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:17:47 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:  Was
	Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <1c1.e206ce3.2c7c2443@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>

At 10:47 PM 8/25/03 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
>ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
>But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
>least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head, and
>every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks we're
>too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split when
>somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
>Alden
>(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
>Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....
>
>...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?
>Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
>nuke on us.
>
>Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
>(Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)

Heh heh.....reminds me of the mundane country-western song called "I'm in a 
Texas State of Mind"...

Damaris
(wearing asbestos armor for the flames from the Oklahoman 
Ansteorrans)  (geez this is getting complicated) 




From chiang at odsy.net  Mon Aug 25 20:54:12 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:54:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <BAY1-F44bj36Kn1FS7400009da1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c36b85$b6ca9ce0$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

Hey! No picking on us from the Western Region. I personally shall punish the
one who was responsible for doing the map.
So turn the map over, use it and come to Gothic. Have as much fun as allowed
by law.
Chiang, staunch defender of the Western Region

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Bilings" <humble_archer at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address


> Is is "just" upside down or is it upside down and backwards? Not that sure
> of west Ansteorra.
>
> plachoya
>
> humble archer
> Ravens Fort Ansteorra
>
> >
> >
> >Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
> >bottom, rather than the top.
> >
> > -Tivar Moondragon
> > obsessive cartographer





From chiang at odsy.net  Mon Aug 25 20:57:11 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:57:11 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
	WasEvent Limits
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <007201c36b86$21213540$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

And was there not a song "You're the reason God made Oklahoma"
Chiang, closet country fan

----- Original Message -----
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
WasEvent Limits


>
> Heh heh.....reminds me of the mundane country-western song called "I'm in
a
> Texas State of Mind"...
>
> Damaris
> (wearing asbestos armor for the flames from the Oklahoman
> Ansteorrans)  (geez this is getting complicated)
>




From dirkthedead at cox.net  Mon Aug 25 21:23:21 2003
From: dirkthedead at cox.net (Dirk the Dead)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:23:21 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <BAY1-F44bj36Kn1FS7400009da1@hotmail.com>
	<006c01c36b85$b6ca9ce0$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>
Message-ID: <004101c36b89$c8d1f380$68216d44@dl.cox.net>


Wow.. I didn't even realize it was upside down adn I live out here.. Of
course, having been to the site a few times, I wasn't to worried about the
map part (well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it)


Oh, and you can (and possibly will) have more fun than is allowed by law..
just don't get caught.....

...within reason of course.....


Dirk the very possibly soon to be Lost




> Hey! No picking on us from the Western Region. I personally shall punish
the
> one who was responsible for doing the map.
> So turn the map over, use it and come to Gothic. Have as much fun as
allowed
> by law.
> Chiang, staunch defender of the Western Region
>



From ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 25 21:46:13 2003
From: ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net (Lady Deirdre)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:46:13 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
References: <1c1.e206ce3.2c7c2443@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c36b8c$fac7d6e0$c27f8a42@gateway.2wire.net>

I will always be Ansteorran, even though I currently reside in another
kingdom.
Deirdre

----- Original Message -----
From: <PKieferjr at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits


> In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
> ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
> But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
> least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head,
and
> every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks
we're
> too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split
when
> somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
> Alden
> (Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
> Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....
>
> ...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a
location?
> Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
> nuke on us.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
> (Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From cchipman at nomadics.com  Mon Aug 25 21:46:57 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:46:57 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
	WasEvent Limits
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <00f701c36b8d$14a5d940$0f00000a@nomadics.com>

Eh, there's already enough dead horses around here...

JP,
Okla-Ansteorran-who's-going-to-gothic-this-weekend-are-you-happy-Chiang-


Carl Chipman
Nomadics, Inc.
cchipman at nomadics.com
http://www.nomadics.com


-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Susan Wieland
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:18 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
WasEvent Limits

At 10:47 PM 8/25/03 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
>ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
>But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
>least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head,
and
>every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks
we're
>too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split
when
>somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
>Alden
>(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
>Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....
>
>...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a
location?
>Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they
dropped a
>nuke on us.
>
>Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
>(Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)

Heh heh.....reminds me of the mundane country-western song called "I'm
in a 
Texas State of Mind"...

Damaris
(wearing asbestos armor for the flames from the Oklahoman 
Ansteorrans)  (geez this is getting complicated) 


_______________________________________________
Ansteorra mailing list
Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 25 22:09:08 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:09:08 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] dead horses
In-Reply-To: <00f701c36b8d$14a5d940$0f00000a@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <6C3FFEF0-D783-11D7-83D5-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 11:46 PM, Carl Chipman wrote:
> Eh, there's already enough dead horses around here...
Well, might as well make use of them. See this file in the Florilegium:
horse-recipes-msg (32K)  3/ 2/03    Period horse recipes. References.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-MEATS/horse-recipes-msg.html

Hmmm. What evidence do we have for leather made from horsehide in 
period?
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****



From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 26 03:20:06 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 05:20:06 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <BAY1-F145VHXZ6nuHWk00002a5d@hotmail.com>

Not picking. I knew the map was upside down but not if it is backwards.

plachooya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra
>
>Hey! No picking on us from the Western Region. I personally shall punish 
>the
>one who was responsible for doing the map.
>So turn the map over, use it and come to Gothic. Have as much fun as 
>allowed
>by law.
>Chiang, staunch defender of the Western Region
>

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From swieland at direcway.com  Tue Aug 26 04:01:25 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 06:01:25 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom  Splitting:
	WasEvent Limits
In-Reply-To: <007201c36b86$21213540$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>

At 10:57 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:
>And was there not a song "You're the reason God made Oklahoma"
>Chiang, closet country fan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
>WasEvent Limits

I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby 
in the SCA.   It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA.  Ansteorra was 
hosting it.  We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena 
in Burnet Texas.  Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and 
was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands".  So he was doing a 
cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell.  Then he suddenly said, "How do you 
spell Ansteorra?"  My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up, 
"T-E-X-A-S".  Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and 
they were NOT amused.  LOL.

Damaris

In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is 
weird and people take Prozac to make it normal




From isobail at mail.ev1.net  Mon Aug 25 19:58:50 2003
From: isobail at mail.ev1.net (isobail)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:58:50 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] In Search of Several People
Message-ID: <200308252158.AA6553746@mail.ev1.net>


Please pardon the intrusion--
 
Could the following people please contact me at isobail at ev1.net it 
concerns the upcoming Ravensfort Defender event (September 19-22, 
2003)
 
Duke Kien
Don Robert
Lady Meriabella (spelling may be wrong--she is from Tempio and is 
our A&S champion)
Lord Nathan of Gates Edge
HL Gerald of Leesvile
HE Neassa
 
Thank you very much
 
In Service I Remain...
 
Lady Isobail inghean Gilla Chriosd
Ravensfort Reeve
isobail at ev1.net
 

________________________________________________________________
Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net


 
                   


From pippermint at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 26 07:34:25 2003
From: pippermint at sbcglobal.net (Paula Hanna)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:34:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Bonwicke's Twelfth Night & Pre-Twelfth Night College
Message-ID: <20030826143425.56235.qmail@web80213.mail.yahoo.com>

Unto the Noble State of Ansteorra does the Baroness of Bonwicke and Steward of her
Twelfth Night Celebration send greetings.

This missive will be long, but I guarantee there will be something for everyone. If
you get restless before the end, scroll to the heading that interests you most and
start reading from there. ;o) Bonwicke's Twelfth Night - set for December 13th - is
fast approaching, and we wish to invite all of Ansteorra to attend. Great things are
in store this year as we will be hosting a Masquerade Ball in addition to a whole
day brimming with activities.

The schedule is shaping up as follows:

• High Persona Chivalric Tournament and Helm Crest Competition
• Rapier Tournament and Decorated Buckler Competition
• Titled Arts and Sciences Champion of Bonwicke
• Period Sweets and Finger Foods Competition
• Masked Dance and Best Mask Competition
• Grand Italian Feast
• Pre-Twelfth Night College / Oct 18
• Other activities may include charter painting, dance classes and mask-making
activities for the children.

High Persona Chivalric Tournament and Helm Crest Competition:
---
This tournament will most likely be a tourney of counted blows with a nod to the
whim of the Ladies' Gallery. Fighters entering the list must be accompanied by a
consort and must present themselves, their consort and their helm crest (and arms,
etc.) to the gallery via herald. Feel free to display as much pomp and circumstance
in doing so as you like. Please bring your arms on a shield no larger than 8x10 for
the shield tree. The helm crest competition will be judged indoors by the populace.
Displays would be lovely. Helm crests will not have to be fought in merely presented
before the tourney.

Rapier Tournament and Decorated Buckler Competition:
---
The nature of this tournament is yet undecided, but again those who would enter the
list must have a consort, and must present themselves, their consort and their
decorated buckler to the gallery via herald. Again, pomp is always welcomed. The
decorated buckler will be judged indoors by the populace. Displays are a good thing.
---
Most likely, the helm crests and bucklers will be obtained from their displays,
presented before the gallery and returned to their displays afterwards for judging.

Titled Arts and Sciences Champion of Bonwicke:
---
I am calling all artists of Ansteorra who would vie for the title of Bonwicke's
Champion Artisan. As Twelfth Night is a Masquerade Ball, the theme of the Arts &
Sciences shall be "Celebration in Bonwicke". Whether one choses to depict a scene of
celebration, something worn or partaken of in celebration, or merely an object
bearing red and gold, Bonwicke's fair colors, is up to the artist. Be limited only
by your imagination; these are merely suggestions. Points are to be awarded on the
usage of both the theme of "celebration" and "Bonwicke". Please come bearing a
letter of intent and documentation. 

Period Sweets and Finger Foods Competition:
---
We will be holding a period sweets and finger foods contest around mid-afternoon
when the tourneys are waning and before court (and ultimately dinner). Again this
will be judged by popular vote. As the kitchen will be devoted to preparing the
feast for the evening, the food in the competition needs to be as low maintenance as
possible - preferably something that is prepared before arrival that will stand up
well at room tempurature or something that the participants have the means to handle
without the use of the kitchen (with ice chests, crock pots, warmers, etc.)

Masked Dance and Best Mask Competition:
---
This will include, obviously, dancing, and the best mask competition will again be
judged by the populace. It is undecided if the masks will be displayed for the
judging or be judged while being worn during the Ball, but details will, as always,
be forthcoming. 

Pre-Twelfth Night College:
--- 
For any wishing to attend, there will be a pre-Twelfth Night college on Saturday,
October 18th to make ready for the grand event. It will be held in the Barony of
Bonwicke (Lubbock, Tx) at the Canterbury Student Center, 2407 16th St (16th & one
block east of (Texas Tech) University Ave.). Please visit our website
(www.bonwicke.org) for updates on times and maps.

These kind people have graciously volunteered to share their knowledge October 18th:

Period Dance:
Lord William Rufus Guthrie and Lady Elisabeth Quartermain de Guthrie
and Lady Melissant d'Aulnay the Capricious (Capricia)

Mask-Making:
Lady Serafina de Gratia

Helm Crest-Making:
Lord Jasper Codrington

Buckler Construction/Decoration:
Honorable Lord Toshiro Koi

Please join us on this day to prepare for the upcoming Ball, and I look forward to
seeing everyone at Bonwicke'e Twelfth Night!

Thank you for enduring to the end of this tome. Any additional questions,
suggestions or comments may be directed to me, Baroness Oriana, at
pippermint at sbcglobal.net. And thanks go to all who have volunteered and
all who plan on attending. 

Simply,
Oriana della Francesca
Lady Bonwicke
Twelfth Night & Pre-Twelfth Night College Steward


From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 26 08:55:06 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw@titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:55:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1061913306.3f4b82da0fad0@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

If it ever happens, there will either be :

a) a principality within Ansteorra which would heve developed enough of it's 
own identity to not be bothered be not being "Ansteorra"

or

b) if the kingdom split without going through a principality stage, why not, as 
someone suggested, use something along the lines or North/South Ansteorra?  For 
that matter a principality could conceivably do the same (as in the case of 
West Virginia [a state, not a principality<G>]

As there doesn't seem to be any big push to split our kingdom, it's all 
hypothetical anyway.<G>

Ansgar

Quoting John Yates <valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com>:

>    Missed most of the many posts in this thread  for
> the past couple of weeks, but the last couple that
> mentioned a kingdom coming out of Ansteorra would have
> the people stop calling themselves Ansteorrans.
>   Can you see the conversation:
> 1. "You stop being an  Ansteorran!"
> 2. "No, YOU stop being an Ansteorran!"
>    A little levity (hopefully,) in your Monday
> evening.
> 
> Regards,
> Valstarr


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From russ at randomgang.com  Tue Aug 26 09:04:51 2003
From: russ at randomgang.com (R. Smith)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:04:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <1061913306.3f4b82da0fad0@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
References: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
	<1061913306.3f4b82da0fad0@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <5352736.1061895891@oklahoma-y03tgc.okstate.edu>



--On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:55 AM -0500 j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

> As there doesn't seem to be any big push to split our kingdom, it's all
> hypothetical anyway.<G>

Yes, I was kind of mystified where that abruptly came from.  I suppose 
perhaps people mentioning principality, but it's not a necessary conclusion 
of principalities (c.f. Principality of the Mists, et al.)

Chandra

-- 
Lord Chandranath <russ{at}randomgang.com>
Cadet to Don Timothy la Corbusier
Apprentice to Master Beorthlic Folkwineson
"Per pale sable and gules, a decrescent argent."





From Medicfem at aol.com  Tue Aug 26 10:48:06 2003
From: Medicfem at aol.com (Medicfem@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:48:06 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <10f.252c0727.2c7cf756@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/26/03 8:58:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:

> b) if the kingdom split without going through a principality stage, why 
> not, as 
> someone suggested, use something along the lines or North/South Ansteorra?  
> For 
> that matter a principality could conceivably do the same (as in the case of 
> West Virginia [a state, not a principality<G>]

Being of one of the southern most shires in this kingdom, I must reply. 
"South Ansteorra" ....  I don't like the sound of it. It is a dead horse.  
The last three groups to the south in Ansteorra are coastal shires. We are 
kind of unified. Often the only people that consistantly go to each others 
events are those from these three sister shires.  I feel when it comes to the 
breaking of a kingdom, many alliances have already been forged that would be 
difficult to break. Our motto... We keep the Kings coast... not the Prince's coast. 
with love for the mamouth size kingdom of ANSTEORRA,

Lady Caley of Lancashire
Shire of Seawinds -  Celebrating 20 years as a proud Ansteorran shire in 2004



From jerryn at houston.rr.com  Tue Aug 26 11:13:36 2003
From: jerryn at houston.rr.com (jerryn@houston.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:13:36 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: In Search of Several People
Message-ID: <16b2db16aaec.16aaec16b2db@texas.rr.com>

replied to privately

In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
HL Gerald of Leesville
Ravenskald of Ravensfort
A Bard of Stargate
Kingdom Ansteorra.



From galenbv at ix.netcom.com  Tue Aug 26 14:05:44 2003
From: galenbv at ix.netcom.com (Galen W. Bevel)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:05:44 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <410-22003822621544743@ix.netcom.com>




> On Wednesday 20 August 2003 06:34 pm, Elizabeth Crouchet wrote:
> Well, we are much bigger than a small kingdom like the Outlands with ony
30 
> groups but large kingdoms have as many groups as us. The East, for 
> example, which has something like 75 groups in 4 regions. The Middle has 
> 84 in 4 regions and that does not count the 35 in the soon to be kingdom 
> of Northshield. Yes, those are big kingdoms but they manage their
calendar 
> somehow. Perhaps we should look over some of their ideas and see if they 
> are worth stealing. ;-)
>
>
> CD
>


Years ago when I was Kingdom seneschal I checked into other Kingdom's
practices because our calendar was getting out of hand even then.  If I
remember correctly, one of the more common ways that large kingdoms handled
the problem then was to lock down their calendar very early.  My faulty
memory seems to remember that the Middle was one of these, but I could
easily be wrong.  What I mean is that _all_ events are scheduled in the
previous year.  If you want to have an event on the calendar in 2004, you
must have it approved, and all the paperwork done and turned in to the KS
in time to make the deadline so that the calendar for the entire year can
be published in the January Kingdom newsletter.  That means if you want to
have a 2004 Yule revel, you would probably have to get  the paperwork into
the kingdom by at least November 2003 so they have time to put together the
calendar and make the December 1st deadline for the January BlackStar. I
believe that some Kingdoms had an even earlier deadline,like June or so,to
allow lead time for the January events.  Taken to extremes, it could end up
meaning that you would have to do the paperwork on your event from 1.5 to 2
years in advance. Not necessarily a proponent or opponent of this idea, it
was just one that I remembered that I thought you all might like to hear.  

Graf Galen Kirchenbauer



From ulfie at cox.net  Tue Aug 26 23:25:42 2003
From: ulfie at cox.net (Ulf Gunnarsson)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:25:42 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <1061953612.2863.15.camel@chuckles.cafecanem.com>

On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby 
> in the SCA.   It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA.  Ansteorra was 
> hosting it.  We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena 
> in Burnet Texas.  Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and 
> was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands".  So he was doing a 
> cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell.  Then he suddenly said, "How do you 
> spell Ansteorra?"  My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up, 
> "T-E-X-A-S".  Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and 
> they were NOT amused.  LOL.


THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em.   :)

Ulf, Baron of Namron
(Dang, that was a fun event...)



From swieland at direcway.com  Wed Aug 27 04:07:04 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:07:04 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
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At 01:24 AM 8/27/03 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> > I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby
> > in the SCA.   It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA.  Ansteorra was
> > hosting it.  We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena
> > in Burnet Texas.  Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and
> > was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands".  So he was doing a
> > cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell.  Then he suddenly said, "How do 
> you
> > spell Ansteorra?"  My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up,
> > "T-E-X-A-S".  Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and
> > they were NOT amused.  LOL.
>
>
>THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em.   :)
>
>Ulf, Baron of Namron
>(Dang, that was a fun event...)

It was my ex.....and I have no idea where she is now or what she is 
doing.  Heh, heh.....not sure that I really want to know either.

It was fun...Rowan, Queen BROA.  All those swords in the air when she came 
in for grand court.  It was almost a "you are there moment".

Damaris 




From letebts at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 27 09:46:00 2003
From: letebts at earthlink.net (Elaine Crittenden)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:46:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <E19s3O4-0000es-00@pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex" (East), "Wessex" (West), 
"Sussex" (South), and the like?

Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South Carolina," etc.?

Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
J'es' wond'rin'....   ;-)

----------
>From: PKieferjr at aol.com
>
> ...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?
> Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
> nuke on us.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
> (Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)
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From seirra78415 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 27 11:24:54 2003
From: seirra78415 at yahoo.com (inez stock)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:24:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 43
In-Reply-To: <200308271700.h7RH07a11134@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <20030827182454.41464.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com>

I do not understand why the kingdom needs to be spilt. I am coming in late on this. could somone please tell me why they would spilt up such a good thing if it is not broken do not fixs it.  In service to the kingdom Lady Mary Bradford.

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1. Re: Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits (Medicfem at aol.com)
2. Re: In Search of Several People (jerryn at houston.rr.com)
3. Re: Event Limits? (Galen W. Bevel)
4. Re: Ansteorran State of Mind (Ulf Gunnarsson)
5. Re: Re: Ansteorran State of Mind (Susan Wieland)
6. Re: Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits (Elaine Crittenden)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:48:06 EDT
From: Medicfem at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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In a message dated 8/26/03 8:58:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:

> b) if the kingdom split without going through a principality stage, why 
> not, as 
> someone suggested, use something along the lines or North/South Ansteorra? 
> For 
> that matter a principality could conceivably do the same (as in the case of 
> West Virginia [a state, not a principality]

Being of one of the southern most shires in this kingdom, I must reply. 
"South Ansteorra" .... I don't like the sound of it. It is a dead horse. 
The last three groups to the south in Ansteorra are coastal shires. We are 
kind of unified. Often the only people that consistantly go to each others 
events are those from these three sister shires. I feel when it comes to the 
breaking of a kingdom, many alliances have already been forged that would be 
difficult to break. Our motto... We keep the Kings coast... not the Prince's coast. 
with love for the mamouth size kingdom of ANSTEORRA,

Lady Caley of Lancashire
Shire of Seawinds - Celebrating 20 years as a proud Ansteorran shire in 2004


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:13:36 -0500
From: jerryn at houston.rr.com
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: In Search of Several People
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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replied to privately

In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
HL Gerald of Leesville
Ravenskald of Ravensfort
A Bard of Stargate
Kingdom Ansteorra.


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:05:44 -0500
From: "Galen W. Bevel" 
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Message-ID: <410-22003822621544743 at ix.netcom.com>
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> On Wednesday 20 August 2003 06:34 pm, Elizabeth Crouchet wrote:
> Well, we are much bigger than a small kingdom like the Outlands with ony
30 
> groups but large kingdoms have as many groups as us. The East, for 
> example, which has something like 75 groups in 4 regions. The Middle has 
> 84 in 4 regions and that does not count the 35 in the soon to be kingdom 
> of Northshield. Yes, those are big kingdoms but they manage their
calendar 
> somehow. Perhaps we should look over some of their ideas and see if they 
> are worth stealing. ;-)
>
>
> CD
>


Years ago when I was Kingdom seneschal I checked into other Kingdom's
practices because our calendar was getting out of hand even then. If I
remember correctly, one of the more common ways that large kingdoms handled
the problem then was to lock down their calendar very early. My faulty
memory seems to remember that the Middle was one of these, but I could
easily be wrong. What I mean is that _all_ events are scheduled in the
previous year. If you want to have an event on the calendar in 2004, you
must have it approved, and all the paperwork done and turned in to the KS
in time to make the deadline so that the calendar for the entire year can
be published in the January Kingdom newsletter. That means if you want to
have a 2004 Yule revel, you would probably have to get the paperwork into
the kingdom by at least November 2003 so they have time to put together the
calendar and make the December 1st deadline for the January BlackStar. I
believe that some Kingdoms had an even earlier deadline,like June or so,to
allow lead time for the January events. Taken to extremes, it could end up
meaning that you would have to do the paperwork on your event from 1.5 to 2
years in advance. Not necessarily a proponent or opponent of this idea, it
was just one that I remembered that I thought you all might like to hear. 

Graf Galen Kirchenbauer


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Message: 4
Date: 27 Aug 2003 01:24:42 -0500
From: Ulf Gunnarsson 
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
To: Kingdom of "Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Message-ID: <1061953612.2863.15.camel at chuckles.cafecanem.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby 
> in the SCA. It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA. Ansteorra was 
> hosting it. We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena 
> in Burnet Texas. Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and 
> was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands". So he was doing a 
> cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell. Then he suddenly said, "How do you 
> spell Ansteorra?" My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up, 
> "T-E-X-A-S". Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and 
> they were NOT amused. LOL.


THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em. :)

Ulf, Baron of Namron
(Dang, that was a fun event...)


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:07:04 -0500
From: Susan Wieland 
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030827060323.00a2d680 at pop3.direcway.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

At 01:24 AM 8/27/03 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> > I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby
> > in the SCA. It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA. Ansteorra was
> > hosting it. We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena
> > in Burnet Texas. Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and
> > was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands". So he was doing a
> > cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell. Then he suddenly said, "How do 
> you
> > spell Ansteorra?" My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up,
> > "T-E-X-A-S". Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and
> > they were NOT amused. LOL.
>
>
>THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em. :)
>
>Ulf, Baron of Namron
>(Dang, that was a fun event...)

It was my ex.....and I have no idea where she is now or what she is 
doing. Heh, heh.....not sure that I really want to know either.

It was fun...Rowan, Queen BROA. All those swords in the air when she came 
in for grand court. It was almost a "you are there moment".

Damaris 



------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:46:00 -0500
From: "Elaine Crittenden" 
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." ,
ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex" (East), "Wessex" (West), 
"Sussex" (South), and the like?

Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South Carolina," etc.?

Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
J'es' wond'rin'.... ;-)

----------
>From: PKieferjr at aol.com
>
> ...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?
> Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
> nuke on us.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
> (Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)
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> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 12:11:01 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:11:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <Law11-F39YHkidcDjoY0000735d@hotmail.com>

If you want an earful on the Dakota Territory becomming two states and the 
briggands from South Dakota stealing the name, catch me at an event 
sometime.  :)

Morgan
North Dakota Native
Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.


From: "Elaine Crittenden" <letebts at earthlink.net>


Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex" (East), "Wessex" (West),
"Sussex" (South), and the like?

Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South Carolina," etc.?

Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
J'es' wond'rin'....   ;-)

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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 12:16:29 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:16:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 43
In-Reply-To: <20030827182454.41464.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <200308271700.h7RH07a11134@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <3F4CBD3D.4700.692D0B@localhost>

On 27 Aug 2003 at 11:24, inez stock wrote:

> I do not understand why the kingdom needs to be spilt. I am coming in
> late on this. could somone please tell me why they would spilt up such
> a good thing if it is not broken do not fixs it.  In service to the
> kingdom Lady Mary Bradford.
> 

I do not believe any one is actually advocating splitting the kingdom, although creating a 
principality or two has been discussed in the past. I think right now it is just a 
hypothetical exercise in response to crowded calendar issues. And, we seem to be 
agreed that actually splitting the kingdom right now would not necessarily solve THAT 
problem.
However, it poses fascinating what-if exploration of cultural or anthropological issues. 
And it seems to be  spurring a little patriotism, which is never a bad thing if we don't get 
carried away with it. 

Just my observations,

Claire 


From dbw6969 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 27 12:40:54 2003
From: dbw6969 at yahoo.com (David Whitford)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:40:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F39YHkidcDjoY0000735d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030827194054.69605.qmail@web11802.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
Are you here yet?
 Robert
> 
> Morgan
> North Dakota Native
> Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.
> 
> 
> From: "Elaine Crittenden" <letebts at earthlink.net>
> 
> 
> Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex"
> (East), "Wessex" (West),
> "Sussex" (South), and the like?
> 
> Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South
> Carolina," etc.?
> 
> Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
> J'es' wond'rin'....   ;-)
> 
> -
> 
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From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 13:33:12 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:33:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <Law11-F46saJbqJGNzs000076b8@hotmail.com>

They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.  :)

Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran


From: David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com>

Are you here yet?
  Robert

--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:

 >
 > Morgan
 > North Dakota Native
 > Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.

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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Wed Aug 27 13:43:29 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:43:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F46saJbqJGNzs000076b8@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <019301c36cdb$df7a07a0$0f00000a@nomadics.com>

Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...

Jean Paul :)


Carl Chipman
Nomadics, Inc.
cchipman at nomadics.com
http://www.nomadics.com


-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Michael Smith
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:33 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits

They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
:)

Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran


From: David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com>

Are you here yet?
  Robert

--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:

 >
 > Morgan
 > North Dakota Native
 > Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.



From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 14:44:46 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:44:46 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
References: <019301c36cdb$df7a07a0$0f00000a@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE37GWSa1aNEV0000046e@hotmail.com>

Won't happen.  Even if you kill me, it'd be MONTHS before my fingers get
cold in west Texas!  :)

Morgan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Chipman"


> Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...
>
> Jean Paul :)
>
>
> Carl Chipman
> Nomadics, Inc.
> cchipman at nomadics.com
> http://www.nomadics.com
>
>

>
> They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
> :)
>
> Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran



From mtucker at airmail.net  Wed Aug 27 14:58:28 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE37GWSa1aNEV0000046e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9735B0B2-D8D9-11D7-BC9B-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 04:44  PM, Michael Smith wrote:

> Won't happen.  Even if you kill me, it'd be MONTHS before my fingers 
> get
> cold in west Texas!  :)
>
> Morgan
>

Thanks, Morgan. That's the funniest thing I've read on this list in a 
while. Actually laughed out loud. :-)

Michael Silverhands



From eirik at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 15:00:12 2003
From: eirik at hot.rr.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:00:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE37GWSa1aNEV0000046e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601c36ce6$9a0e4450$1402a8c0@eirik>

Ah, the wonders of dry ice.

Eirik

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org 
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Michael Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:45 PM
> To: cchipman at nomadics.com; Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
> 
> 
> Won't happen.  Even if you kill me, it'd be MONTHS before my 
> fingers get cold in west Texas!  :)
> 
> Morgan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Chipman"
> 
> 
> > Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...
> >
> > Jean Paul :)
> >
> >
> > Carl Chipman
> > Nomadics, Inc.
> > cchipman at nomadics.com
> > http://www.nomadics.com
> >
> >
> 
> >
> > They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead 
> > fingers.
> > :)
> >
> > Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran
> 
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:28:19 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Scribal Go Nuts!!!!
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From derrykcarr at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 16:43:19 2003
From: derrykcarr at hotmail.com (Derryk Carr)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:43:19 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <BAY8-F46MlDNBO49mV5000001e3@hotmail.com>

Of course you could always do hat I have seen a few people do.... Get it 
tattooed to your body. Then they would have to carve it out of your cold 
hard flesh.

Aldric de Kerr


>From: "Carl Chipman" <cchipman at nomadics.com>
>Reply-To: cchipman at nomadics.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc." 
><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:43:29 -0500
>
>Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...
>
>Jean Paul :)
>
>
>Carl Chipman
>Nomadics, Inc.
>cchipman at nomadics.com
>http://www.nomadics.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Michael Smith
>Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:33 PM
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
>
>They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
>:)
>
>Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran
>
>
>From: David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com>
>
>Are you here yet?
>   Robert
>
>--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  >
>  > Morgan
>  > North Dakota Native
>  > Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.
>
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From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 19:15:00 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:15:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization (was: Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 09:34 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:

(snip)

>Alden
>(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )


Humph. you're just a whippersnapper.

	-Tivar Moondragon
Ansteorran fossil, coming up on 28 years


From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 19:15:00 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:15:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030827171346.006bd740@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 07:43 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:

>>Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
>>bottom, rather than the top.
>>
>>	-Tivar Moondragon
>>	obsessive cartographer


>Is is "just" upside down or is it upside down and backwards? Not that sure 
>of west Ansteorra.
>
>plachoya
>
>humble archer
>Ravens Fort Ansteorra


Sweetwater is west of Abeline. If you print the map out and turn it over,
then your only confusion will be reading the highway numbers upside down.

	-Tivar Moondragon



From YsfaelEleanor at aol.com  Wed Aug 27 21:16:01 2003
From: YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:16:01 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <19f.1994d582.2c7edc01@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/27/2003 6:47:59 PM Central Daylight Time, 
derrykcarr at hotmail.com writes:


> Of course you could always do hat I have seen a few people do.... Get it 
> tattooed to your body. Then they would have to carve it out of your cold 
> hard flesh.
> 
> Aldric de Kerr
> 

ewwwwwww

eleanor


From dyanford at txucom.net  Wed Aug 27 22:59:29 2003
From: dyanford at txucom.net (Dyan Ford)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:59:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization 
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
References: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3F4D9A41.8010609@txucom.net>

Dear Heart,

If _you_ are a 'fossil'... I guess that makes me 'primordial ooze' ... 
_glowing_ primordial ooze!! <BEG>

Shanahan the Fey, called Stormbearer  (circa  1972 -- A.S. VI )




From michaeloflangley at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 06:31:14 2003
From: michaeloflangley at hotmail.com (Michael of Langley)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <Law12-F40FpN9Z08WKU0000ac01@hotmail.com>

Well,

Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there anyone 
who can give the actual street address for the site?



"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."

Michael of Langley

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From ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 28 07:14:07 2003
From: ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net (Lady Deirdre)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:14:07 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <Law12-F40FpN9Z08WKU0000ac01@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <042801c36d6e$a589af80$c27f8a42@gateway.2wire.net>

A street address for a field next to a lake in the middle of no where west
texas.
Its exit 249 (just a few miles east of Sweetwater) off I-20 and go south.
You can't miss it from there.

Deirdre

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael of Langley" <michaeloflangley at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address


> Well,
>
> Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there
anyone
> who can give the actual street address for the site?
>
>
>
> "...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>
> Michael of Langley
>
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From toshirokoi at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 07:08:02 2003
From: toshirokoi at hotmail.com (Jesus Cavazos)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:08:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
Message-ID: <Law14-F112mhksTJgLP00048a11@hotmail.com>


I hate to tell you this, but there is no actual street address.
The site is out in the middle of the country. The way to get there is to go 
from Abilene to Sweetwater, or from Sweetwater to Abilene, on I-20. When you 
get to Exit 249, a few miles east of Sweetwater, turn south.
Just follow the map. The distance from I-20 to the fork in the road (I 
always wanted to say that) is about four and a half miles.Take the left 
fork. The distance from the fork to the site is only about a quarter mile. 
The site will be on your right. You'll know it by the little stone building 
by the side of the road.
It will seem like you've missed it and are half way to nowhere, but you'll 
be fine as long as you follow the map.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshall


>From: "Michael of Langley" <michaeloflangley at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
>
>Well,
>
>Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there anyone 
>who can give the actual street address for the site?
>
>
>"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>
>Michael of Langley
>

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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 28 10:28:23 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:28:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
In-Reply-To: <Law14-F112mhksTJgLP00048a11@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030828172823.78825.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>

Isn't there an address for the bait shop/store that is a little past the site?
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Jesus Cavazos <toshirokoi at hotmail.com> wrote:

I hate to tell you this, but there is no actual street address.
The site is out in the middle of the country. The way to get there is to go 
from Abilene to Sweetwater, or from Sweetwater to Abilene, on I-20. When you 
get to Exit 249, a few miles east of Sweetwater, turn south.
Just follow the map. The distance from I-20 to the fork in the road (I 
always wanted to say that) is about four and a half miles.Take the left 
fork. The distance from the fork to the site is only about a quarter mile. 
The site will be on your right. You'll know it by the little stone building 
by the side of the road.
It will seem like you've missed it and are half way to nowhere, but you'll 
be fine as long as you follow the map.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshall


>From: "Michael of Langley" 
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
>
>Well,
>
>Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc. Is there anyone 
>who can give the actual street address for the site?
>
>
>"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>
>Michael of Langley
>

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From michaeloflangley at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 10:34:18 2003
From: michaeloflangley at hotmail.com (Michael of Langley)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:34:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
Message-ID: <Law12-F6m9kfNHssSvG000025fc@hotmail.com>

Thank you m'lord!

We will see you there!



"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."

Michael of Langley




>From: "Jesus Cavazos" <toshirokoi at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:08:02 -0500
>
>
>I hate to tell you this, but there is no actual street address.
>The site is out in the middle of the country. The way to get there is to go 
>from Abilene to Sweetwater, or from Sweetwater to Abilene, on I-20. When 
>you get to Exit 249, a few miles east of Sweetwater, turn south.
>Just follow the map. The distance from I-20 to the fork in the road (I 
>always wanted to say that) is about four and a half miles.Take the left 
>fork. The distance from the fork to the site is only about a quarter mile. 
>The site will be on your right. You'll know it by the little stone building 
>by the side of the road.
>It will seem like you've missed it and are half way to nowhere, but you'll 
>be fine as long as you follow the map.
>
>HL Toshiro Koi
>WR Rapier Marshall
>
>
>>From: "Michael of Langley" <michaeloflangley at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
>>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
>>
>>Well,
>>
>>Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there 
>>anyone who can give the actual street address for the site?
>>
>>
>>"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>>
>>Michael of Langley
>>
>
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From bmccrory at oktax.state.ok.us  Thu Aug 28 10:44:51 2003
From: bmccrory at oktax.state.ok.us (Burke McCrory)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:44:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization (was: Kingdom Splitting: Was
	Event Limits)
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030828124234.03f7c850@mailhost.oktax.state.ok.us>

At 09:15 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>At 09:34 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
> >Alden
> >(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
>
>
>Humph. you're just a whippersnapper.
>
>         -Tivar Moondragon
>Ansteorran fossil, coming up on 28 years

I do love it when someone posts, that makes me feel young in the SCA.

Burke
who is celebrating 25 years this fall. 




From toshirokoi at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 12:01:10 2003
From: toshirokoi at hotmail.com (Jesus Cavazos)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:01:10 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
Message-ID: <Law14-F40z4lDPHpNwq00006987@hotmail.com>


I'm sure there is. But it's probably something like Box some number, Route 
something.
Little help that is unless you know the area or the place.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshall


>From: L T <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:28:23 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Isn't there an address for the bait shop/store that is a little past the 
>site?
>
>Lorraine DeerSlayer
>

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From gudze at pagancow.org  Thu Aug 28 11:53:00 2003
From: gudze at pagancow.org (Gudze O'Domhnaill)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:53:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <010b01c36d96$18dc0420$aba39bac@genji>

In my opinion, once Anseorran, always Ansteorran. I, for one, will always
consider myself Ansteorran, even though I now live in Northshield.

Regards,
~Gudze O'Domhnaill




From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 13:11:13 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:11:13 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Crown Tournament feast reservations
Message-ID: <LAW11-F40ogxLDp7mvj0000c10c@hotmail.com>

Greetings to all.

Dragonsfire Tor will be hosting Crown Tournament October 31 – November 2, 
2003.  The Black Star is out and we are now taking prepaid reservations for 
feast.

Gilli of the Shire of Middleford will providing our food. The menu is:

Flavored Butters and Breads
>     Assorted Cheeses
>     Roast Beast
>     Pasta w/Herb and Garlic Sauce
>     Lyonnes Green Been Almandine
>     Savory Leg of Foul
>     Rice Surprise
>     Orange Glazed Carrots
>     Stuffed Baked Apples
>     Sweet and Unsweetened Tea, Water

Cost is separate from site.
Adults $8.00  		Children 6-12 $4.00 		Children 5 and under: free
NO FAMILY CAP  on FEAST

Make checks payable to SCA Inc./Canton of DFT
Mail to :
Janie Cason
1230 Isla
Stephenville, TX 76401

Please make reservations at crownfeast at hotmail.com. Not dftfeast2. My bad.  
As soon as I receive payment I will send you a confirmation if your email is 
provided.

Come join us. Reservations are limited to 150. I will be at Gothic this 
weekend if you wish to pay then.

We look forward to your reservations.

Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor

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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Thu Aug 28 15:03:05 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:03:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Map to Gothic War
Message-ID: <02ec01c36db0$28eb5950$0f00000a@nomadics.com>

My lady Gilyan made up some detailed aerial photos maps to Gothic war
this weekend for anyone wanting something a bit more north-oriented...
you can see them here:

http://www.cchipman.com/maps_to_gothic_war.htm

Jean Paul de Sens


Carl Chipman
Nomadics, Inc.
cchipman at nomadics.com
http://www.nomadics.com





From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Thu Aug 28 16:00:40 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:00:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Map to Gothic War
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030828180038.006e84b0@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 05:03 PM 8/28/03 -0500, you wrote:

>My lady Gilyan made up some detailed aerial photos maps to Gothic war
>this weekend for anyone wanting something a bit more north-oriented...
>you can see them here:
>
>http://www.cchipman.com/maps_to_gothic_war.htm
>
>Jean Paul de Sens


Now that's just *cool*! Did she get these off a public website somewhere,
or does she have "connections"?

	-Tivar Moondragon
	fossilized cartographer



From meraud at netzero.net  Fri Aug 22 21:02:01 2003
From: meraud at netzero.net (meraud)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:02:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [MR] Fw: SCAdian's missing son....please read
Message-ID: <000001c36dd5$134115c0$e1eb4bab@uymfdlvk>



> Forwarded as requested.... hope she finds him.
> 
> > >From: "grainnechormaic" <celtic_dragonslady at yahoo.com>
> > >Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:26:04 -0000
> > >Subject: [TY] SCAdian's missing son....please read
> > >
> > >My son, Nicholaus Kirkpatrick is missing.  The last reliable sighting
> > >of him was at pre-registration some day (the registrar isn't sure
> > >which day) the week of July 15, 2003 at Watkins College in Nashville.
> > >
> > >Please visit the link
> > > http://www.geocities.com/find_nick_22/Find_Nick.html 
> > >
> > >Please pass this link to everyone you know.  If he is alive and for
> > >whatever reason has decided to "go walkabout", he may be in or headed
> > >for the California area.
> > >
> > >Thanks to all.
> > >
> > >Grainne inghean Chormaic (m.k.a. Karen Kirkpatrick)
> 
> ========================================================================
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From Patrickandjulia at aol.com  Thu Aug 28 19:57:53 2003
From: Patrickandjulia at aol.com (Patrickandjulia@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:57:53 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pavilion Raffle
Message-ID: <16.347cd3c4.2c801b31@aol.com>

Greetings All!

Rosenfeld is in the process of raffling off a list field pavilion set up 
including an 8x10 pavilion with pennants and complete setup, 2 wooden handcrafted 
breakdown chairs, 2 rugs, 2 banners, a handcrafted chest, a chess set and a 
small honor shield with your device for the low, low price of $5.00 per ticket.  
Tickets are available from Centurion William de Molay from now until drawing 
time at Three Kings.  You may purchase tickets from William at Gothic, Battle 
of the Pines, Elfsea Defender and, of course, at 3 Kings. You may also 
purchase tickets by mail.  If you would like to purchase tickets or need further 
info, please contact him at (903) 894-6067.  Pictures are available on the 3 Kings 
webpage at <A HREF="http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org">http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org</A>.

Patrick


From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Thu Aug 28 20:15:16 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:15:16 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization
In-Reply-To: <3F4D9A41.8010609@txucom.net>
Message-ID: <0320C104-D9CF-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 12:59 AM, Dyan Ford wrote:
> If _you_ are a 'fossil'... I guess that makes me 'primordial ooze' ... 
> _glowing_ primordial ooze!! <BEG>
>
> Shanahan the Fey, called Stormbearer  (circa  1972 -- A.S. VI )
So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
hear of the SCA?
What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
Stefan
--------
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    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
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From dyanford at txucom.net  Thu Aug 28 21:44:42 2003
From: dyanford at txucom.net (Dyan Ford)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:44:42 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <0320C104-D9CF-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>
References: <0320C104-D9CF-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3F4EDA3A.30407@txucom.net>

 >>>So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
hear of the SCA?
What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
Stefan<<<<

Oh Boy,  what a set of questions!  Let's see how I can answer....

First, I 'heard of the SCA in college, in the back of the book 'The 
Broken Sword' by Poul Anderson <sigh>.  From what I recall, it mentioned 
a group of  people who spent their summer vacations near Chicago, 
playing 'medieval'.  I remember telling my roommate than I was going as 
soon as I got out of school & got a job -- that was in 1969.  (I _still_ 
have yet to attend Pensic!)

In 1972, I decided that if I couldn't get to Chicago, I'd try to find 
like-minded folk in the Houston area.  So, I hand-lettered a 
'recruitment' poster & posted it at a local Comics Convention.  An old 
friend, JL3, saw it & asked why didn't I just join the group that was 
already in Houston.  I almost freaked, demanding more info.  He said 
that a group had formed some months earlier but had only 3 three 
people.  He offered to make some calls & see about setting up a meeting 
-- which he did.  We all met on the next Sunday to try to restart the 
Barony, 7 in person & 2 by proxy.

And since the group (then known only as 'The Barony in Houston') needed 
a name, we proceeded to debate possibilities.  In those days, groups 
were often named for a predominant local landmark.  Well, we sure didn't 
want the Bayou Barony!  So I thought of NASA and suggested 'StarGate' 
because a reporter had earlier dubbed Houston as the Gateway to the 
Stars.... everyone seemed to like it so the name stuck.  The device 
became a nine pointed star with 3 greater points for the original 
founders & 6 smaller points for the rest of us -- and 1 point was 
'supposed' to be a 'binary' because JL3 was the only married founder (at 
the time) & we wanted to include his Lady (which she now denies --- hey, 
that's how _I_ remember it! )

As to how has it changed..... oh, there are not words to properly 
describe the differences!  I mean, this was years before the Texas 
RenFaire, & we _lived_ the joke of "Are you in a Play?".  No one took us 
seriously and communications with others in the SCA just didn't exist -- 
the nearest groups were Draconia (Baton Rouge, LA) to the East and the 
Atenveldt Barony/Kingdom (Tempe, AZ) to the West.  In those days, there 
were only 4 Kingdoms & Atenveldt extended from the southern Atlantic 
States across to the border of California.  I remember how we struggled 
to find references and information about historical practices.  We truly 
did 'wing it' and things were accepted for the 'effort' involved in the 
making, not the 'historical accuracy' that is demanded today.   The 
Dream was almost a tangible thing in those days & anyone who even made 
the attempt was welcome to play.  I truly miss some of that 'tolerance'.

As to the most 'Memoriables' ... I'm afraid I'll have to put that into 
an article or something.  The email would be much too long!  And this 
email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.

Shanahan the Fey, MLA, OLA, OMS, Starholder




From morgancain at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 28 21:40:11 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:40:11 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra]  Crown Tournament feast reservations 
References: <200308290448.h7T4m2a15860@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <019701c36de7$fe98b700$76051e43@homeseries>

> Gilli of the Shire of Middleford will providing our food. The menu is:
> 
> >     Savory Leg of Foul

Man, I hope that is a typo..........


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From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Thu Aug 28 22:51:45 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:51:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <3F4EDA3A.30407@txucom.net>
Message-ID: <DF999615-D9E4-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

Shanahan the Fey answered me with:
On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 11:44 PM, Dyan Ford wrote:

> >>>So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
> hear of the SCA?
> What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
> the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
> Stefan<<<<
>
> Oh Boy,  what a set of questions!  Let's see how I can answer....

> In 1972, I decided that if I couldn't get to Chicago, I'd try to find 
> like-minded folk in the Houston area.  So, I hand-lettered a 
> 'recruitment' poster & posted it at a local Comics Convention.  An old 
> friend, JL3, saw it & asked why didn't I just join the group that was 
> already in Houston.  I almost freaked, demanding more info.  He said 
> that a group had formed some months earlier but had only 3 three 
> people.  He offered to make some calls & see about setting up a 
> meeting -- which he did.  We all met on the next Sunday to try to 
> restart the Barony, 7 in person & 2 by proxy.
Oh Thank you! Thank you. This is wonderful. You've given details of 
both Stargate and Ansteorran history which I've never heard before. In 
fact, you've managed to get this message saved for the Anst-hist-msg, 
SCA-hist-msg and the placenames-msg files in the Florilegium. :-)

Sigh. What was wrong with "The Bayou Barony"? Although I guess that 
would need to be changed a little bit to "Green Bayou" or "Bayou 
Country" or some such.
> As to the most 'Memoriables' ... I'm afraid I'll have to put that into 
> an article or something.  The email would be much too long!
Please? Pretty please? I'd love to have such articles on the early days 
of the SCA or the might have been stories or just first hand accounts 
of how it was different then. In some kingdoms folks think driving two 
or three hours to an event is too far. From the recent discussions here 
on whether the kingdom calender is overloaded or not. On whether 
Ansteorra should split because it has too many groups etc, you can see 
quite a contrast from what I've been told of the early days of the SCA. 
I suspect that had you told folks then that there would be a choice of 
two or three events every weekend, that Pennsic would have over 12 
thousand folks attending, they wouldn't have believed it. The baronies 
usually have more members now than the kingdoms did then.

My standard policy for Florilegium articles is that the author keeps 
the copyright and I will accept updates or removal requests :-( at any 
time. I just want to get interesting, useful info out there where folks 
can use it and enjoy it.
> And this email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.
I don't think so and I really doubt very many others do either. I'd 
rather read this than another flamewar on principalities. :-)
>
> Shanahan the Fey, MLA, OLA, OMS, Starholder
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****



From cadunham at worldnet.att.net  Thu Aug 28 23:08:28 2003
From: cadunham at worldnet.att.net (Chris A. Dunham)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:08:28 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <DF999615-D9E4-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <MFEAJMFCKKCDIHALCCCLAEPICAAA.cadunham@worldnet.att.net>

>> And this email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.
>I don't think so and I really doubt very many others do either. I'd
>rather read this than another flamewar on principalities. :-)

Absolutely.  I'd definitely love to hear more of this than constant (and
somewhat pointless) debates.  So, yes, give us more!!

Xavier William Terrant
House Rivenshield



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Fri Aug 29 00:00:02 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:00:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra]  Crown Tournament feast reservations
References: <200308290448.h7T4m2a15860@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
	<019701c36de7$fe98b700$76051e43@homeseries>
Message-ID: <000701c36dfb$2c783480$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

OPPS!!!

That was a foul mistake on my fowl dish.  :)

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Morgan Cain (Ansteorra)" <morgancain at earthlink.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Crown Tournament feast reservations


> > Gilli of the Shire of Middleford will providing our food. The menu is:
> > 
> > >     Savory Leg of Foul
> 
> Man, I hope that is a typo..........
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> " There is no key to happiness. The door is always open. "  (Unknown)
> "....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
>         ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)
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From Julie at ettros.com  Fri Aug 29 05:51:59 2003
From: Julie at ettros.com (Julie Cunningham)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:51:59 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
Message-ID: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>

Being a newbie still, I LOVE stories like this.  Is there a place somewhere to read more about the history of the SCA?  How did Steppes get started?

Kathryn of Ayr
(Kate)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dyan Ford [mailto:dyanford at txucom.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:45 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories


 >>>So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
hear of the SCA?
What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
Stefan<<<<

Oh Boy,  what a set of questions!  Let's see how I can answer....

First, I 'heard of the SCA in college, in the back of the book 'The 
Broken Sword' by Poul Anderson <sigh>.  From what I recall, it mentioned 
a group of  people who spent their summer vacations near Chicago, 
playing 'medieval'.  I remember telling my roommate than I was going as 
soon as I got out of school & got a job -- that was in 1969.  (I _still_ 
have yet to attend Pensic!)

In 1972, I decided that if I couldn't get to Chicago, I'd try to find 
like-minded folk in the Houston area.  So, I hand-lettered a 
'recruitment' poster & posted it at a local Comics Convention.  An old 
friend, JL3, saw it & asked why didn't I just join the group that was 
already in Houston.  I almost freaked, demanding more info.  He said 
that a group had formed some months earlier but had only 3 three 
people.  He offered to make some calls & see about setting up a meeting 
-- which he did.  We all met on the next Sunday to try to restart the 
Barony, 7 in person & 2 by proxy.

And since the group (then known only as 'The Barony in Houston') needed 
a name, we proceeded to debate possibilities.  In those days, groups 
were often named for a predominant local landmark.  Well, we sure didn't 
want the Bayou Barony!  So I thought of NASA and suggested 'StarGate' 
because a reporter had earlier dubbed Houston as the Gateway to the 
Stars.... everyone seemed to like it so the name stuck.  The device 
became a nine pointed star with 3 greater points for the original 
founders & 6 smaller points for the rest of us -- and 1 point was 
'supposed' to be a 'binary' because JL3 was the only married founder (at 
the time) & we wanted to include his Lady (which she now denies --- hey, 
that's how _I_ remember it! )

As to how has it changed..... oh, there are not words to properly 
describe the differences!  I mean, this was years before the Texas 
RenFaire, & we _lived_ the joke of "Are you in a Play?".  No one took us 
seriously and communications with others in the SCA just didn't exist -- 
the nearest groups were Draconia (Baton Rouge, LA) to the East and the 
Atenveldt Barony/Kingdom (Tempe, AZ) to the West.  In those days, there 
were only 4 Kingdoms & Atenveldt extended from the southern Atlantic 
States across to the border of California.  I remember how we struggled 
to find references and information about historical practices.  We truly 
did 'wing it' and things were accepted for the 'effort' involved in the 
making, not the 'historical accuracy' that is demanded today.   The 
Dream was almost a tangible thing in those days & anyone who even made 
the attempt was welcome to play.  I truly miss some of that 'tolerance'.

As to the most 'Memoriables' ... I'm afraid I'll have to put that into 
an article or something.  The email would be much too long!  And this 
email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.

Shanahan the Fey, MLA, OLA, OMS, Starholder


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From rbnew5 at netscape.net  Fri Aug 29 10:56:51 2003
From: rbnew5 at netscape.net (Elizabeth Hawkwood)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:56:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pavilion Raffle
References: <16.347cd3c4.2c801b31@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F4F93E3.50701@netscape.net>

I could not reach the desired page from the link you gave but, after a 
little
reasearch I found it at:
http://rosenfeld.ansteorra.org/threekings/three_kings_2003.htm
All I have to say is, "WOW!!"

/Elizabeth Hawkwood

Patrickandjulia at aol.com wrote:

>Greetings All!
>
>Rosenfeld is in the process of raffling off a list field pavilion set up 
>including an 8x10 pavilion with pennants and complete setup, 2 wooden handcrafted 
>breakdown chairs, 2 rugs, 2 banners, a handcrafted chest, a chess set and a 
>small honor shield with your device for the low, low price of $5.00 per ticket.  
>Tickets are available from Centurion William de Molay from now until drawing 
>time at Three Kings.  You may purchase tickets from William at Gothic, Battle 
>of the Pines, Elfsea Defender and, of course, at 3 Kings. You may also 
>purchase tickets by mail.  If you would like to purchase tickets or need further 
>info, please contact him at (903) 894-6067.  Pictures are available on the 3 Kings 
>webpage at <A HREF="http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org">http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org</A>.
>
>Patrick
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>  
>

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From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Fri Aug 29 15:31:07 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:31:07 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030829172729.006ca520@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 12:59 AM 8/28/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear Heart,
>
>If _you_ are a 'fossil'... I guess that makes me 'primordial ooze' ... 
>_glowing_ primordial ooze!! <BEG>
>
>Shanahan the Fey, called Stormbearer  (circa  1972 -- A.S. VI )


<chuckle> Shanahan, you're one of about five people who remember *me* as a
newbie.

	-Tivar Moondragon


From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Fri Aug 29 19:18:05 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:18:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>
Message-ID: <30BC7458-DA90-11D7-85E5-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

  Kathryn of Ayr asked:
> Being a newbie still, I LOVE stories like this.  Is there a place 
> somewhere to read more about the history of the SCA?  How did Steppes 
> get started?
Well, you might be interested in some of the files in the SCA-STORIES 
section of the Florilegium such as:
Anst-hist-msg     (86K)  3/22/01    Histories of the Kingdom of 
Ansteorra.
Anst-sword-msg    (25K)  2/17/99    Histories of the Ansteorran Sword 
of State.
child-stories-msg (44K)  9/ 7/01    Stories of SCA children.
Mordona-arbed-art  (8K)  2/21/00    Mordonna DuBois' adventure at 
Estrella.
placenames-msg   (110K) 10/ 4/00    Origins and meanings of SCA 
placenames.
placenames2-msg   (60K)  1/22/02    More origins and meanings of SCA 
placenmaes.
romance-today-msg (12K)  4/13/00    Romantic ideas from period to use 
today.
SCA-authors-msg   (36K) 12/16/94    Authors who have been/are SCA 
members.
SCA-fence-hst-msg	(14K) 11/19/99    History of rapier combat in the SCA.
SCA-hist3-msg    (126K)  5/29/01    Msgs on the history of the SCA.
SCA-in-books-msg  (32K)  8/21/96    Mentions of the SCA in books and 
magazines.
SCA-noteables-msg (19K)  4/12/01    20th century noteables in the SCA.
SCA-romance-msg   (33K) 10/12/01    SCA romances and meeting SOs in the 
SCA.
SCA-stories3-msg  (64K)  2/22/00    SCA stories related after 5/1/96.
vanity-plates-msg (50K) 10/19/98    SCA vanity auto license plates.
you-know-msg      (99K)  5/13/99    You know you're in the SCA when...

You might also look at the SCA-SOCIOLOGY section and since you say you 
are new, the NEWCOMERS section.
And when you finish those, there are about 1800 other files in the 
Florilegium to take a look at. :-)
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****



From jyeates at realtime.net  Fri Aug 29 23:51:12 2003
From: jyeates at realtime.net (jay yeates)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:51:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030829172729.006ca520@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <049601c36ec3$1c6a9150$0a7ba8c0@kharsag>

 
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<chuckle> Shanahan, you're one of about five people who remember *me* as a newbie.

...
and fewer still as a pre-newbie .. (g)

'wolf

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From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 30 20:53:39 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>
References: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>
Message-ID: <3F517143.7070909@earthlink.net>

Julie Cunningham wrote:
> Being a newbie still, I LOVE stories like this.  Is there a place somewhere to read more about the history of the SCA?  How did Steppes get started?
> 
> Kathryn of Ayr
> (Kate)

There's lots of interesting reading in the old BoD minutes.

The current minutes are here:  http://www.sca.org/BOD/welcome.html

The historical minutes are here:  http://www.sca.org/BOD/minutes/

--Perronnelle

-- 
Don't use the name of the Lord in vain:  Make sure whoever you're 
swearing at sees every gesture and hears every word.  -- Raymond Lesser, 
20 Things I Learned from God (or voices inside myhead, I'm not sure 
which, yet)



From burkemc at cox.net  Sat Aug 30 22:33:25 2003
From: burkemc at cox.net (Burke McCrory)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:33:25 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Wiesenfeuer Baronial Champion rescheduled to Sunday
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030831002529.03e1baf8@pop.central.cox.net>

I just got back in from Wiesenfeuer Baronial Champion and at His 
Excellency's request am posting the following.  Because of heavy rain that 
moved in just at the end of court His Excellency Lucais has rescheduled the 
Chivalric List to Sunday at 10am.  He hopes that everyone who was unable to 
attend the list at its original Saturday Night time, will come up and 
participate on Sunday in the bright light of day for the coveted title 
of  Wiesenfeuer Baronial Champion.

Sir Burke




From cyranobcc at netzero.net  Sun Aug 31 10:06:57 2003
From: cyranobcc at netzero.net (cyranobcc)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:06:57 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Academy of the Rapier
Message-ID: <011c01c36fe2$4ab87340$698d4a43@pcname>

Unto all good gentles of this fair land, I, Lord Brian mac Cael, wish to invite you all to attend ACADEMY OF THE RAPIER, to be held in the Barony of the Stargate on September 13, 2003!!!

Teaching will be geared to all levels of skill and knowledge and will include Classroom, Drilling, Sparring, and One-On-One instruction.

The Academy will be run in conjunction with Stargate's "A Day at the Coliseum", so there will be plenty of activities for non-rapier combatants too.  Both events will come together for evening feast.

Website info will be available shortly.

Contact me at: 281-895-8170 or cyranobcc at netzero.net with any questions.



From niklas at pbgilbert.net  Sun Aug 31 18:49:58 2003
From: niklas at pbgilbert.net (Paul Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:49:58 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Raven's Fort Defender XXI Web Page
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030831204713.0289ec60@mail.cox-internet.com>

Greetings,

The web page for this years Barony of Raven's Fort Defender XXI is up with 
info about the event and the feast menu.

The URL is.....

www.ravensfortevents.com

If anyone has any questions about the event please let us know.

HE Niklas
Baron of Raven's Fort



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Paul Gilbert,   KE5ZW                   H.E. Niklas Vasilevich,
Huntsville, Texas                       Baron of The Barony Raven's Fort
niklas at pbgilbert.net                    CSM, Crane, ORH, KGA , AoA
936-291-9532 home                               Kingdom of Ansteorra
936-581-5632 cellular                           Society for Creative 
Anachronism
                               AIM Name: KE5ZW
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




From ylwrose2 at juno.com  Fri Aug  1 06:26:58 2003
From: ylwrose2 at juno.com (ylwrose2 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:26:58 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <20030801.062700.868.15.ylwrose2@juno.com>

> >"Their Oaken Excellencies" speaks of the stalwart strength of the 
> > Oak Tree and of Their Excellencies Steppes.
> >
> >Morgan the Taller
> 
> 
> Let's see...
> 
> Steppes: Their Downtrodden Excellencies

Good Don Tivar, despite your good-natured attempt at humor, I must
protest.  If you are alluding to the "steps" in our baronial ensign, they
lead upward.  I would suggest instead, Their Enduring Excellencies, as a
cousin of our founding Baron (who bears an *amazing* family resemblance
to the Baron himself) was seen in our fair lands only last summer. 
Enduring indeed!

Lady Francesca

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From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Fri Aug  1 07:22:45 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:22:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: "Bear" History
In-Reply-To: <200308011412.h71ECnA11586@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEGEMADDAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Mistress Shanahan said:
>In the pre-history times, Bjornsborg
>was "Bears-Fort" ... Bear --> Bare...
>See..?

Bjornsborg's arms have two white bears.  The history of the name also should
note that San Antonio is in Bexar County, which is pronounced "bay-har" and
sounds remarkably like "bear" if done quickly.

::GUNNVOR::

(Older than rope, but not older than dirt.)



From Gwenhuyvar at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 08:23:11 2003
From: Gwenhuyvar at aol.com (Gwenhuyvar at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:23:11 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] German Fest Cabins
Message-ID: <160.23f2a53e.2c5bdfdf@aol.com>

Greetings,
If you would like to make cabin reservation for German Fest September 19-21 , 
please contact me as soon as possible at <A HREF="mailto:gwenhuyvar at aol.com">gwenhuyvar at aol.com</A>.  They are 
filling up fast.  When you contact me give me the SCA name and Mundane Name of each 
person you are making reservations for.  Thanks a lot.
In service 
Lady Gwenhuyvar verch Morgant Dedwydd
Shire of Brad Leah


From Julie at ettros.com  Fri Aug  1 08:53:13 2003
From: Julie at ettros.com (Julie Cunningham)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:53:13 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] German Fest Cabins
Message-ID: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E012ACBA7@ettros2.ettros.com>

Where is this?  Please help the newbie!

Kathryn of Ayr
(Julie)

-----Original Message-----
From: Gwenhuyvar at aol.com [mailto:Gwenhuyvar at aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:23 AM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] German Fest Cabins


Greetings,
If you would like to make cabin reservation for German Fest September 19-21 , 
please contact me as soon as possible at <A HREF="mailto:gwenhuyvar at aol.com">gwenhuyvar at aol.com</A>.  They are 
filling up fast.  When you contact me give me the SCA name and Mundane Name of each 
person you are making reservations for.  Thanks a lot.
In service 
Lady Gwenhuyvar verch Morgant Dedwydd
Shire of Brad Leah
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From pippermint at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  1 13:34:15 2003
From: pippermint at sbcglobal.net (Paula Hanna)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:34:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
Message-ID: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>

As Baroness of Bonwicke, I was really hoping to have some cool title to tag onto my
name. Alas, our arms are just 100 percent charge-free! For those who don't know,
they are a red and gold countercharged dancity. Hm.

I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or something
like that.

Oriana
Lady Bonwicke
who entertains herself greatly
;o)


From gam at door.net  Fri Aug  1 08:39:00 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:39:00 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Pity Party
Message-ID: <002901c35843$07cf8700$6701a8c0@anns>

Good People of the Ansteorra, friends: 

We the Barony of Bonwicke wish our travelers well, and that their journey to the Eastern lands are safe. May you return with many great memories and stories to tell us. To that end, We want to remind you that at Our lands will be a Pennsic Pity Party. There are plans for a snowball tourney, bardic, arts, and other activities. So plan on joining us on August 8-10 2003

Site Fee: Show up with camping gear or sleeping bag to stay at the house. Plenty of floor space available. Site is Maximillian and Anastasiya's Property. Note house is owned by cats and dogs they just let the humans live there.

Feast Fee: Pot luck- bring something or have something for the ladies to prepare. 

Directions: From points East and South. Make your way to I-27 head north past the airport. Take exit 11 (FM 1294) heading west. approximately 10 miles you will come to a gently curve. There will be a crossroad there turn right. You are now on FM 2528. The site is the 7th house. Sign will be posted. 

Points North coming down I-27 please take exit 11 and follow previous instruction.

Points West if coming from Brownfield take loop to North Frankford (FM 2528) go past the Walmart and then on to Clovis Hwy (84). Go across railroad tracks, you will come to a stop sign approximately 6 miles continue until you come to the 7th house. Signs will be posted.

If coming from Clovis, take the first stop light left (north) at FM 2528, cross the railroad tracks and follow previous instructions.

If you get lost call 806-741-1828 or 806-787-8007

If you can not make Pennsic, hope to see you there. Remember War in the Western Lands of Ansteorra is just a few weeks away.


From hlannes at ev1.net  Fri Aug  1 15:01:01 2003
From: hlannes at ev1.net (D. Vandever)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:01:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c35878$6aaabcc0$75d6dacf@dvanderver>

My Dear Baroness of Bonwicke,
If memory serves me, your illustrious barony is the farthest West in our
fair Kingdom. Perhaps that would entitle you to the epithet of "The Really
Way Out There Excellency". Just my 2 cents of suggestion. Until then, I
remain...
In Service,
Annes
Dear God,  Help me to be the person
my dog thinks I am.  Amen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paula Hanna" <pippermint at sbcglobal.net>
To: "ansteorra" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 3:34 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)


> As Baroness of Bonwicke, I was really hoping to have some cool title to
tag onto my
> name. Alas, our arms are just 100 percent charge-free! For those who don't
know,
> they are a red and gold countercharged dancity. Hm.
>
> I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or
something
> like that.
>
> Oriana
> Lady Bonwicke
> who entertains herself greatly
> ;o)
> _______________________________________________
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> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>



From chiang at odsy.net  Fri Aug  1 15:19:03 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:19:03 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
	<001b01c35878$6aaabcc0$75d6dacf@dvanderver>
Message-ID: <003101c3587a$eafbf0e0$5150cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

No kidding, a bout 90 miles and we are in another Kingdom.
HE Chiang, who is luckily landless

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Vandever" <hlannes at ev1.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)


> My Dear Baroness of Bonwicke,
> If memory serves me, your illustrious barony is the farthest West in our
> fair Kingdom. Perhaps that would entitle you to the epithet of "The Really
> Way Out There Excellency". Just my 2 cents of suggestion. Until then, I
> remain...
> In Service,
> Annes
> Dear God,  Help me to be the person
> my dog thinks I am.  Amen





From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  1 15:41:54 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:41:54 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Queens Champion
Message-ID: <BAY1-F86TAMyJKrFQNb00017fbd@hotmail.com>

Sounds as if I missed a very fine Queen's. Sure sucks when you have to fix 
things around the house instead of go play.

plachoya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra
>
>I think is is also worth noting that Don Tivar was awarded the Queen's
>Blade of Honor.
>
>Dor?
>
> >
> > The fighting was fierce, and I am pleased to say that not once was foul
> > called or warning given; each of the competitors upheld all that we
> > consider fair and just.
> >
> > In the final round (if age hasn't take my memory yet) Don Aaron Harper
> > fought Don Brendan McKewan.  In the end, Don Brendan won the tournament
> > and the honor to be called Queen's Champion.
> >
> > At the court that evening, Cadet Brian MacCael received a blade from the
> > hands of Her Serpentine Excellency for his valor on the field through
> > the day.
> >
> > In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
> > HL Gerald of Leesville
> > Ravenskald of Ravensfort
> > A bard of Stargate
> > Kingdom Ansteorra
> >

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From alexscribe at worldnet.att.net  Fri Aug  1 16:50:13 2003
From: alexscribe at worldnet.att.net (Eva Mehlhose)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:50:13 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c35887$a788de60$d8c9fea9@dell>


>
> I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or
something
> like that.
>
> Oriana
> Lady Bonwicke
> who entertains herself greatly
> ;o)


ooohhhhh....
does that make you a bonny wicked Lady?????????
grinning ear to ear
Alex the Scribe, Atenveldt

sorry, could absolutely positively not resist



From dirkthedead at cox.net  Fri Aug  1 18:41:24 2003
From: dirkthedead at cox.net (Dirk the Dead)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:41:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c35897$2f54d2e0$68216d44@dl.cox.net>

*rubs head in frustration*




> As Baroness of Bonwicke, I was really hoping to have some cool title to
tag onto my
> name. Alas, our arms are just 100 percent charge-free! For those who don't
know,
> they are a red and gold countercharged dancity. Hm.
>
> I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or
something
> like that.
>
> Oriana
> Lady Bonwicke
> who entertains herself greatly
> ;o)



From Jennamonster at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 21:16:28 2003
From: Jennamonster at aol.com (Jennamonster at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:16:28 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Seeking...
Message-ID: <1cd.e8ee4c2.2c5c951c@aol.com>


Would the good gentle in charge of Lost and Found from the recent Coronation 
kindly contact me off-list regarding a misplaced chirurgeon's baldric? I can 
describe it if you have said item. We did not see the original posting. 

With thanks,

Lady Elysia Katherine O'Malley


From catmafia at swbell.net  Sat Aug  2 18:41:19 2003
From: catmafia at swbell.net (Susan O'Neal)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 20:41:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>

I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them (and 
are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.  These are one of my 
favorite things and the ones Kit's friend brought from New Orleans just 
wern't that good, so I was going to make some.  This started me thinking 
about the fact that this is one of those things I learned from my mom and 
was never done with a recipe, you just did it and with whatever of the 
basic ingredience you had available-meaning I've made them possibly 
hundreds of different ways.  So I went to search for a recipe and found 10 
or so and was struck by how most were things I had done, but all were 
different.

I would love to hear how you all do it and what qualities the end result 
had, my favorite are the thick, creamy ones-but tend to enjoy any of the 
results.  I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole, 
which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  I also found the name 
of the person they were supposidly named after, 
http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html

Looking forward to hearing how everyone makes them,

Susan the Curious
catmafia at swbell.net




From Kvarner at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  2 20:39:59 2003
From: Kvarner at austin.rr.com (Kevin Varner)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:39:59 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <3.0.32.20030731184721.01638af0@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001601c35970$eab5d460$c1f7fea9@austin.rr.com>

Considering two of the guard live in your house I doubt we'd need to knock
at 3:00 a.m. ; )
HL Duncan MacConacher na' Dunheath
Captain, Baronial Guard
 &
Tivars Cadet

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Zakes" <moondrgn at austin.rr.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility


> At 06:09 PM 7/31/03 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >"Their Oaken Excellencies" speaks of the stalwart strength of the Oak
Tree
> >and of Their Excellencies Steppes.
> >
> >Morgan the Taller
>
>
> Let's see...
>
> Steppes: Their Downtrodden Excellencies
>
> Stargate: Their Spaced-Out Excellencies
>
> Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies
>
> Bordermarch: Their Borderline Excellencies
>
> Elfsea: Their Fair, but Soggy Excellencies
>
> Eldern Hills: Their Ancient Excellencies
>
> Bonwicke: Their Bonwicked Excellencies
>
> Namron: Their Twisted (or perhaps Blowhard) Excellencies
>
> Ravensfort: Their Flighty Excellencies
>
> Northkeep: Their Distant Excellencies
>
> Bryn Gwlad: Their Magnificent Excellencies (hey, I live there; you think I
> want the Baronial Guard knocking on my door at 3:00 A.M.? <G>)
>
> -Tivar Moondragon
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From Kvarner at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  2 20:41:24 2003
From: Kvarner at austin.rr.com (Kevin Varner)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:41:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <20030801002937.62344.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c35971$1ce5bae0$c1f7fea9@austin.rr.com>

Tell us a story Uncle Tivar!
Aerin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phelippe Descors" <ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility


> Do I really want to know the story behind this???
> 
>    Phelippe (the Wary)
> 
> Chris Zakes <moondrgn at austin.rr.com> wrote:At 06:09 PM
> 7/31/03 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> <snipped>
> 
> Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies
> 
> 
> -Tivar Moondragon
> 
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From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  2 21:04:31 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:04:31 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>
Message-ID: <95B92DB4-C567-11D7-94C3-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

Susan the Curious asked about pralines.
> I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them 
> (and are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.
I asked this question on the SCA-Cooks list. The praline as it is 
generally made now is from Louisiana. However, it is a variation on a 
sweet from Europe with several New World ingredients substituted 
because they weren't available in Louisiana. Pecans substituted for 
almonds? for instance. I can't remember the rest of the information 
right now, but I may have place it in this file in the FOOD-SWEETS 
section of the Florilegium:
candy-msg        (188K) 11/16/01    Period candy. Recipes. Candied 
fruit peels.

>  I also found the name of the person they were supposidly named after, 
> http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html
I'm not sure about this site, but on general principles I find such 
claims on commercial sites to be a bit suspect, especially if it adds 
glamour or romance to the item they are selling.
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****



From davidjhughes.tx at netzero.net  Sat Aug  2 21:11:55 2003
From: davidjhughes.tx at netzero.net (David Hughes)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 23:11:55 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>
Message-ID: <3F2C8B8B.5010600@netzero.net>



Susan O'Neal wrote:
> I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them 
> (and are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.  These are 
> one of my favorite things and the ones Kit's friend brought from New 
> Orleans just wern't that good, so I was going to make some.  This 
> started me thinking about the fact that this is one of those things I 
> learned from my mom and was never done with a recipe, you just did it 
> and with whatever of the basic ingredience you had available-meaning 
> I've made them possibly hundreds of different ways.  So I went to search 
> for a recipe and found 10 or so and was struck by how most were things I 
> had done, but all were different.
> 
> I would love to hear how you all do it and what qualities the end result 
> had, my favorite are the thick, creamy ones-but tend to enjoy any of the 
> results.  I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole, 
> which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  I also found the 
> name of the person they were supposidly named after, 
> http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html
> 
> Looking forward to hearing how everyone makes them,
> 
> Susan the Curious
> catmafia at swbell.net
> 
   From various sources

Praline
Etymology: French, from Count Plessis-Praslin died 1675 French soldier
Date: 1723

  Pralines have been a New Orleans tradition since the early 1700s, 
when Louisiana was still a French territory. Legend has it that a 
French military officer, Count Plessis-Praslin, ordered his chef to 
concoct a simple dessert made of sugar and pecans, both prevalent 
locally grown crops.

  C?sar de Choiseul, Count Plessis-Praslin (1598-1675), French soldier 
and diplomat

Out of period, by roughly 30 to 60 years, but still tasty!

David Gallowglass



From twilit16 at swbell.net  Sat Aug  2 23:21:27 2003
From: twilit16 at swbell.net (Twilight16)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 01:21:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] sale at renstore
Message-ID: <00ad01c35987$78b37630$0300a8c0@pavilion>

Greetings one and all,

Thought some of you might like this sale some stuff is up to 50% off.. Renstore.com

Baroness Elayne




From merlainenisaille at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  3 04:57:04 2003
From: merlainenisaille at hotmail.com (Merlaine ni Saille)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 07:57:04 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
Message-ID: <Sea2-F200xJdQdSe9g400012f0e@hotmail.com>

if you pose that question to the "SCAFoodsandFeasts" yahoogroup, I'm more 
than certain that they could find something similar.. 'fer instance: candied 
nuts (not pecans, they're indigenous to the US only), were served during the 
meal.. I can't tell you right now where in the meal it was, but there are 
several who do... I would suggest Master Huen of the Godecookery website.

Maire

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From vscribe at ansteorra.org  Sun Aug  3 07:42:28 2003
From: vscribe at ansteorra.org (Ansteorra Virtual Scribe)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:42:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>
Message-ID: <03c301c359ce$6b994e10$31baee0c@c59303a>

Well, to throw a wrench into the works here .... my mom is from South
America and she has been making this "candy" for many years. I always
thought they were pralines. Look like them, taste like them, I hate the nuts
so she makes them without the nuts just for me but insists that is how the
tradition calls for them to be made. Mom is not one to be argued with. 5
foot tall tornado who is always right .... :)

I will send you the recipe if you like.

Chiara
Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan O'Neal" <catmafia at swbell.net>
To: <Northkeep at ansteorra.org>; <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:41 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question


: I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them (and
: are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.  These are one of my
: favorite things and the ones Kit's friend brought from New Orleans just
: wern't that good, so I was going to make some.  This started me thinking
: about the fact that this is one of those things I learned from my mom and
: was never done with a recipe, you just did it and with whatever of the
: basic ingredience you had available-meaning I've made them possibly
: hundreds of different ways.  So I went to search for a recipe and found 10
: or so and was struck by how most were things I had done, but all were
: different.
:
: I would love to hear how you all do it and what qualities the end result
: had, my favorite are the thick, creamy ones-but tend to enjoy any of the
: results.  I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole,
: which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  I also found the name
: of the person they were supposidly named after,
: http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html
:
: Looking forward to hearing how everyone makes them,
:
: Susan the Curious
: catmafia at swbell.net
:
:
: _______________________________________________
: Ansteorra mailing list
: Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
: http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From mtucker at airmail.net  Sun Aug  3 09:06:41 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:06:41 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
In-Reply-To: <03c301c359ce$6b994e10$31baee0c@c59303a>
Message-ID: <781F71F1-C5CC-11D7-84B9-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Sunday, August 3, 2003, at 09:42  AM, Ansteorra Virtual Scribe wrote:

> Well, to throw a wrench into the works here .... my mom is from South
> America and she has been making this "candy" for many years. I always
> thought they were pralines. ...
>
> Chiara
> Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
>

According to the article which Stefan referred to in his Florilegium 
(which I read last night), there was a traditional Spanish/Catalan 
candy from our period. My completely unfounded guess is that this (or 
something like it; there were lots of variations on the theme, 
according to the article) might have been a source of inspiration for 
whoever developed the Praline. And it might be the ancestor of the 
South American confection which was handed down to your mom. It seems 
logical, anyway.

Yours,
Michael Silverhands



From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Sun Aug  3 10:50:05 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:50:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030803125003.01619360@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 10:39 PM 8/2/03 -0500, you wrote:

(snip)

>> Bryn Gwlad: Their Magnificent Excellencies (hey, I live there; you think I
>> want the Baronial Guard knocking on my door at 3:00 A.M.? <G>)
>>
>> -Tivar Moondragon


>Considering two of the guard live in your house I doubt we'd need to knock
>at 3:00 a.m. ; )
>HL Duncan MacConacher na' Dunheath
>Captain, Baronial Guard
> &
>Tivars Cadet


And that's supposed to reassure me?

	-Tivar Moondragon


From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Sun Aug  3 10:57:45 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:57:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030803125745.016185a8@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 10:41 PM 8/2/03 -0500, you wrote:

>> <snipped>
>> 
>> Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies
>> 
>> -Tivar Moondragon


>> Do I really want to know the story behind this???
>> 
>>    Phelippe (the Wary)


>Tell us a story Uncle Tivar!
>Aerin


It's a pun on bear/bare. Bjornsborg has bears on their arms, the group was
once called "Bear's Fort" (until the name was translated to "Bjornsborg")
and the mundane location is in Bexar (pronounced "bay-are" or "bear")
County, which is the home of the Alamo--the most famous fort in Texas.

(And I probably shouldn't mention what was common dress at Barbarian
Invitational in Bjornsborg, back in the old days. <G>)

	-Tivar Moondragon



From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  3 12:09:03 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:09:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] sale at renstore
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c35987$78b37630$0300a8c0@pavilion>
Message-ID: <20030803190903.11820.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you, excellency.  I used to work for them when I lived in Ax.  Not good to work for in alot of ways, but they are really good to customers.

Twilight16 <twilit16 at swbell.net> wrote:Greetings one and all,

Thought some of you might like this sale some stuff is up to 50% off.. Renstore.com

Baroness Elayne


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From muriel at entelesoft.com  Sun Aug  3 12:30:48 2003
From: muriel at entelesoft.com (muriel at entelesoft.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:30:48 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030731184721.01638af0@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c359f5$be614090$b7026144@kim>

And of course we can't forget....

His Flaming Excellency of Wiesenfeuer.

--Muriel and Donnchadh Beag who can't believe no one mentioned that yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Chris Zakes
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:47 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility


At 06:09 PM 7/31/03 -0500, you wrote:

>"Their Oaken Excellencies" speaks of the stalwart strength of the Oak Tree
>and of Their Excellencies Steppes.
>
>Morgan the Taller


Let's see...

Steppes: Their Downtrodden Excellencies

Stargate: Their Spaced-Out Excellencies

Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies

Bordermarch: Their Borderline Excellencies

Elfsea: Their Fair, but Soggy Excellencies

Eldern Hills: Their Ancient Excellencies

Bonwicke: Their Bonwicked Excellencies

Namron: Their Twisted (or perhaps Blowhard) Excellencies

Ravensfort: Their Flighty Excellencies

Northkeep: Their Distant Excellencies

Bryn Gwlad: Their Magnificent Excellencies (hey, I live there; you think I
want the Baronial Guard knocking on my door at 3:00 A.M.? <G>)

	-Tivar Moondragon
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From uther at lcc.net  Sun Aug  3 12:39:09 2003
From: uther at lcc.net (mike young)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:39:09 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] calendar
Message-ID: <009a01c359f6$e9ac35b0$0100a8c0@theparents>


Last changed: 7/31/03

*PED = Perpetual Event Date

 

August 2003
1?3          Steppes Artisan Competition ? Steppes (Dallas, TX) 

               Midsummer Faire  ? Gates Edge (Houston, TX)

8?10        Lughnasad ? Loch Ruadh (Benbrook/White Settlement, TX)

               Westgate Winter Collegium ? Westgate (Houston, TX)

                (during Pennsic)

15?17      (during Pennsic)

22?24      Artisan of the Flame ? Glaslyn (Denton, TX) 

29?31      Wiesenfeuer Baronial ? Wiesenfeuer  (Oklahoma City, OK) *PED

                Gothic Wars ? Cross Roads Keep (Big Springs, TX)*

1              Monday ? September 1st
 

September 2003
1              Monday ? September 1st
5?7          Battle of the Pines ? Greywood (Lufkin/Nacogdoches TX) 

12?14      A Day at the Coliseum ? Stargate (Houston, Tx)

                 Mooneschadowe Guardian XXIII - Mooneschadowe (Stillwater, OK)

19?21       Defender of the Fort ? RavensFort (Huntsville, TX) *PED

                German Fest ? Brad Leah (Wichita Falls, TX)

26?28      Elfsea Defender ? Elfsea (Ft. Worth, TX) *PED

               Golden Arrow String of Pearls ? Stonebridge Keep (Victoria, Tx)

 

October 2003
3?5          Battle of Three Kings ? Rosenfeld (Tyler, TX) 

10?12      Namron Protectorate ? Namron (Norman , OK) *PED

               Cour d? Amour ? Gates Edge (Houston, Tx)

                Sunday ? Columbus Day
17?19      Heroes ? Bjornsborg (San Antonio, TX) *PED

24?26      Samhain Celebration ? Eldern Hills (Lawton/Ft. Sills, OK) *PED

                Samhain Stew ? Tempio (Temple, TX)

               Seawinds Defender String of Pearls ? Shire of Seawinds (Corpus Christi, Tx)

               Fall Arts Symposium ? Loch Ruadh- ( Ft. Worth, Tx)

 

November 2003
31?2        Crown Tourney ? Dragonsfire Tor  ? (Stephenville, Tx)

                Friday ? Halloween

              January Queen's Champion Bids Due
7?9          Bryn Gwlad Fall Event  ?  Bryn Gwlad (Austin, TX) 

               WinterKingdom ? Northkeep (Tulsa , OK)

14?16      Harvest Dance ? Mendersham (Abilene, TX) 

                Warchieftain/Cavalier of the Bridge ? Middleford (Killeen/Ft Hood/Copperas Cove, TX) 

                Autumn Melees ? Bordermarch (Beaumont, TX) *PED

21?23      Hunter?s Moon ? Emerald Keep (Waco, Tx)

27                Thursday ? Thanksgiving
28?30

 

December 2003
5?7                Dragonsfire Tor Yule Revel ? Dragonsfire Tor (Stephenville, TX) 

               Wiesenfeuer Yule Revel ? (Oklahoma City, OK)

                Ffynnon Gath Yule Revel-(San Marcos, Tx)

12?14      Stargate Yule Revel ? Stargate (Houston, TX) 

               Bonwicke Twelfth Night ? Bonwicke (Lubbock, Tx)

19?21     Tourney of the Golden Hart ? La Marche Sauvage (McAllen, TX)

25                Thursday ? Christmas Day
26?28      

 

January 2004
1                Thursday ? New Year?s Day         
2?4          Steppes 12th Night Court and Feast ? Steppes (Dallas, TX) 

9?11                Coronation ? TBA

16?18      King?s Round Table ? TBA

               May Crown Tourney Bids Due - Southern Region

19           Monday ? Martin Luther King Jr. Day
23?24      Queens Champion ? TBA

30?1                Kingdom A&S ? TBA

 

February 2004
6?8                Candlemas Feast ? Bryn Gwlad (Austin , TX) *PED 

13?15      Border Wars ? Lindenwood (Irving, TX) 

                Un Jour Dans La Vie Bis ? Ravens Fort (Huntsville, TX) 

               Coastal Invasion ? Seawinds (Corpus Christi, TX)

20?22      Tourney of the Black Stag XIII ? La Marche Sauvage (McAllen, TX) 

                War College ? Wiesenfeuer (Oklahoma City, OK)

27?29                Bjornsborg Spring Court ? Bjornsborg (San Antonio, TX)

              

 

 

 



From marccarlson20 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  3 14:29:47 2003
From: marccarlson20 at hotmail.com (Marc Carlson)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:29:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>

>Northkeep: Their Distant Excellencies

"Distant"?

Actually they are extremely approachable...

Marc/Diarmaid

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From kitty at swbell.net  Sun Aug  3 15:17:29 2003
From: kitty at swbell.net (Kitty O'Neal)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine>

> Actually they are extremely approachable...
> 
> Marc/Diarmaid

Unless you live in, say, La Marche Sauvage...

Ekaterina


From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  3 16:32:43 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 18:32:43 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <BAY1-F12BvRnfvcySa40001b444@hotmail.com>

Well they would be there just in case some of the other Baronial Guard came 
to call.

plachoya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra



>
> >Considering two of the guard live in your house I doubt we'd need to 
>knock
> >at 3:00 a.m. ; )
> >HL Duncan MacConacher na' Dunheath
> >Captain, Baronial Guard
> > &
> >Tivars Cadet
>
>
>And that's supposed to reassure me?
>
>	-Tivar Moondragon

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From ggavit at interconnect.net  Sun Aug  3 18:53:52 2003
From: ggavit at interconnect.net (Gail Gavit)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 20:53:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
Message-ID: <002701c35a2b$42054100$9b25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gail Gavit" <ggavit at interconnect.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys


> This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
> Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed a
> dark hour.
> Lady Katherine Brandon
> Seneschal (Acting)
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" <mystikal_dragon_master at juno.com>
> To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
> Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>
>
> > My friends,
> >
> > I have some dreadfull news to give you. My brother David was involved in
> > a serious motorcycle accident in Florida today around 10:45am EDT. The
> > other person did not see David on his bike and supposedly ran him over.
> > >From what I have gotten from my mother and the trauma news at Orlando
> > Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
threatening
> > head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10 this
> > evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
> > should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
> >
> >
> > Russ aka Drake(SCA)
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________
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From steldr at cox.net  Mon Aug  4 06:37:32 2003
From: steldr at cox.net (Mercedes/Stephanie)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:37:32 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>
	<001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine>
Message-ID: <00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>

Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I prefer
Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.

Mercedes
Baroness of Northkeep

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kitty O'Neal" <kitty at swbell.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] re: Epithets for Landed Nobility


> Actually they are extremely approachable...
>
> Marc/Diarmaid

Unless you live in, say, La Marche Sauvage...

Ekaterina
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From russ at randomgang.com  Mon Aug  4 06:51:26 2003
From: russ at randomgang.com (Chandranath)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 08:51:26 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>
	<001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine>
	<00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>
Message-ID: <183439125.1059987086@[192.168.39.2]>



--On Monday, August 04, 2003 8:37 AM -0500 "Mercedes/Stephanie" 
<steldr at cox.net> wrote:

> Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
> they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I
> prefer Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.

I think of you as Their Well-Fortified Excellencies, you know.

Chandra

-- 
Lord Chandranath <russ{at}randomgang.com>
"Per pale sable and gules, a decrescent argent."
mka Russ Smith (http://www.randomgang.com/~russ/)


From steldr at cox.net  Mon Aug  4 07:17:45 2003
From: steldr at cox.net (Mercedes/Stephanie)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:17:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com><001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine><00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>
	<183439125.1059987086@[192.168.39.2]>
Message-ID: <015901c35a93$2cfe46e0$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>

Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I like that!!!!

Mercedes

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chandranath" <russ at randomgang.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] re: Epithets for Landed Nobility




--On Monday, August 04, 2003 8:37 AM -0500 "Mercedes/Stephanie" 
<steldr at cox.net> wrote:

> Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
> they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I
> prefer Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.

I think of you as Their Well-Fortified Excellencies, you know.

Chandra

-- 
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"Per pale sable and gules, a decrescent argent."
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From gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu  Mon Aug  4 07:47:33 2003
From: gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Gail Taylor)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:47:33 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
References: <002701c35a2b$42054100$9b25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>
Message-ID: <3F2E7205.4020300@lonestar.utsa.edu>

Is Lawrence the Rampant, David?  Was he injured?  Or another brother?

Isobel

Gail Gavit wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Gail Gavit" <ggavit at interconnect.net>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
>Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>
>
>  
>
>>This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
>>Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed a
>>dark hour.
>>Lady Katherine Brandon
>>Seneschal (Acting)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" <mystikal_dragon_master at juno.com>
>>To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
>>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>My friends,
>>>
>>>I have some dreadfull news to give you. My brother David was involved in
>>>a serious motorcycle accident in Florida today around 10:45am EDT. The
>>>other person did not see David on his bike and supposedly ran him over.
>>>>From what I have gotten from my mother and the trauma news at Orlando
>>>Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
>>>      
>>>
>threatening
>  
>
>>>head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10 this
>>>evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
>>>should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
>>>
>>>
>>>Russ aka Drake(SCA)
>>>
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>>>
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From morgancain at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  4 08:33:18 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:33:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] WordFame to Teens
Message-ID: <00a201c35a9d$c12b1fa0$ae051e43@homeseries>

I want to commend a lot of our children and teens who helped out, even in small ways, at Steppes Artisan this weekend.  Lady Donnel already told how her children helped, all Friday evening and for setup and tear-down on Saturday, and I second her on all the effort they gave.  Richard and Emily were not the only ones helping; she's just better at remembering her children's names than I am at remembering those of all whom I spotted helping.  There were no organized children's activities, but they made their own fun, in the hall and in the playlot and around the legal areas of site.  I saw many children and teens helping in various ways - waterbearing (Lady Gerita told me the only responder to her request for assistance was a young boy); managing a list table; fetching and carrying; older looking after smaller (through MANY swings in the playyard); helping to roll hoses and otherwise assist in breakdown on the field; folding banners (with just a little instruction); and when I appeared on the deck with a trashbag in hand in the evening I was almost instantly confronted with a line of teens with empty bottles and other trash, so that the desk was cleared in about a minute.

I didn't get all the names, for which I am very sorry.  Who thinks to carry a notepad to pick up trash?  There were "the usual suspects" and some new faces as well.  Several of them asked me questions about why things were so for the event, always politely, and their conversations were always within acceptable boundaries of politeness and volume.  For all that we read in the papers about how teens cause trouble, about children running wild, I didn't see it at Steppes Artisan.  (OK, there was the early lineup at the supper buffet, but that hardly counts.)  Remember, these are our future, and I think we can be proud.

VIVANT!

                            ---= Morgan the Short Twin

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 never regains its original dimensions."
                                 ---= Oliver Wendell Holmes
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From prand at swbell.net  Mon Aug  4 08:37:41 2003
From: prand at swbell.net (Patty)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:37:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
In-Reply-To: <3F2E7205.4020300@lonestar.utsa.edu>
Message-ID: <20030804153741.7535.qmail@web80203.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes it is Lawrence who is injured.  We do not have many details except what his brother sent.  He is supposedly stable but that is all we know.  Kim arrived last night, hopefully we will get more news soon. Please keep Lawrence and his family in your prayers.
 
Catriona

Gail Taylor <gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> wrote:
Is Lawrence the Rampant, David? Was he injured? Or another brother?

Isobel

Gail Gavit wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Gail Gavit" 
>To: 
>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
>Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>
>
> 
>
>>This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
>>Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed a
>>dark hour.
>>Lady Katherine Brandon
>>Seneschal (Acting)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" 
>>To: 
>>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
>>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>>My friends,
>>>
>>>I have some dreadfull news to give you. My brother David was involved in
>>>a serious motorcycle accident in Florida today around 10:45am EDT. The
>>>other person did not see David on his bike and supposedly ran him over.
>>>>From what I have gotten from my mother and the trauma news at Orlando
>>>Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
>>> 
>>>
>threatening
> 
>
>>>head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10 this
>>>evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
>>>should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
>>>
>>>
>>>Russ aka Drake(SCA)
>>>
>>>________________________________________________________________
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From Medicfem at aol.com  Mon Aug  4 08:43:42 2003
From: Medicfem at aol.com (Medicfem at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:43:42 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
Message-ID: <aa.2099d14e.2c5fd92e@aol.com>

It is David. Centurion lawrence. seawinds seneshal. shire guard captain, 
order of the falcon, squire times two.

all is still in limbo right now. kim and his mom are there. send lots of 
prayers their way.

a very sad seawinder and friend,

caley


From sharon at polkawitch.com  Mon Aug  4 09:14:43 2003
From: sharon at polkawitch.com (sharon)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:14:43 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
References: <aa.2099d14e.2c5fd92e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101c35aa3$867046a0$f9bc6620@SharonLaptop>

i just got this news. I am very sad to hear this.
I pray very hard for his recovery.  If anyone can get Kim word, pls let her
know that my thoughts are with them.

Vivaine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Medicfem at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys


> It is David. Centurion lawrence. seawinds seneshal. shire guard captain,
> order of the falcon, squire times two.
>
> all is still in limbo right now. kim and his mom are there. send lots of
> prayers their way.
>
> a very sad seawinder and friend,
>
> caley
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From born2bonstage at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  4 10:07:35 2003
From: born2bonstage at yahoo.com (Little Dancer)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:07:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] My prayers are with you...
Message-ID: <20030804170735.22398.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com>

My prayers are with you...
 
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From hillaryrg at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  4 10:42:27 2003
From: hillaryrg at yahoo.com (Hillary Greenslade)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:42:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline Question
Message-ID: <20030804174228.41910.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>

<<I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole, 
which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  >>

I grew up in south Texas; and they are found in every Mexican food
restaurant everywhere.  I would never have considered them a French
confectionary, but rather from Spain or Castille, as the Florilegium
suggests. As Spain and France are border neighbors, possible culture
exchange in foods occurred.   

Since the recipe's simple, it's not inconcievable that it was found in
several cultures (Spain, France, native Indians of the Americas), and time
has 'standardized' the name and current form.   I prefer pralines
hard/crunchy, not soft/chewy. 

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From marccarlson20 at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  4 10:54:02 2003
From: marccarlson20 at hotmail.com (Marc Carlson)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 12:54:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re: Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <Law9-F59q9LwLLbeI8K0002a956@hotmail.com>

--On Monday, Chandra wrote:
>>Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
>>they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I
>>prefer Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.
>I think of you as Their Well-Fortified Excellencies, you know.

15 essential minerals and vitamins added in...

(And Kitty, my point wsa that traveling distance is releative -- they are 
just as distant from the folks down in la Marche Sauvage as the folks down 
in La Marche Sauvage are from us.  And to consider them "their Distant 
Excellencies" perpetuates the belief that it's just too far to travel to 
come and visit us up here, when there are members of our populace (and of 
Mooneschadowes, and the rest) who are willing to suck it up to travel to the 
distant lands to the south.  Not me mind you, but other people - like Their 
Excellencies.

Which might make them "Their willing-to-travel-regularly Excellencies" 
although I can see that this might be a little long for this particular 
project.

Marc/Diarmaid

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From swieland at direcway.com  Mon Aug  4 11:21:24 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:21:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline Question
In-Reply-To: <20030804174228.41910.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030804132022.00a1b540@pop3.direcway.com>

At 10:42 AM 8/4/03 -0700, you wrote:


>Since the recipe's simple, it's not inconcievable that it was found in
>several cultures (Spain, France, native Indians of the Americas), and time
>has 'standardized' the name and current form.   I prefer pralines
>hard/crunchy, not soft/chewy.
>
>Hillary

I just like 'em all. :-)

Damaris





From holland.cooley at us.army.mil  Mon Aug  4 11:11:36 2003
From: holland.cooley at us.army.mil (holland.cooley at us.army.mil)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:11:36 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Bardic Winner
Message-ID: <625e9ad62626be.62626be625e9ad@us.army.mil>

Greetings, I am trying to contact the winner of the Bardic event held at the Shire of Tempio's spring event. Any help would be greatly appreciated


Lord Alasdair Mac Roibeirt



From ggavit at interconnect.net  Mon Aug  4 12:12:03 2003
From: ggavit at interconnect.net (Gail Gavit)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:12:03 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
References: <002701c35a2b$42054100$9b25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>
	<3F2E7205.4020300@lonestar.utsa.edu>
Message-ID: <000d01c35abc$4ab87560$9c25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>

Yes, Lawrence the Rampant is David Ruiz. Yes, he was seriously injured. His
brother is th one who posted this message to the Seawinds list.
Katherine Brandon
Seneschal, Shire of Seawinds


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gail Taylor" <gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys


> Is Lawrence the Rampant, David?  Was he injured?  Or another brother?
>
> Isobel
>
> Gail Gavit wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Gail Gavit" <ggavit at interconnect.net>
> >To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
> >Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
> >>Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed
a
> >>dark hour.
> >>Lady Katherine Brandon
> >>Seneschal (Acting)
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" <mystikal_dragon_master at juno.com>
> >>To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
> >>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
> >>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>My friends,
> >>>
> >>>I have some dreadfull news to give you. My brother David was involved
in
> >>>a serious motorcycle accident in Florida today around 10:45am EDT. The
> >>>other person did not see David on his bike and supposedly ran him over.
> >>>>From what I have gotten from my mother and the trauma news at Orlando
> >>>Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
> >>>
> >>>
> >threatening
> >
> >
> >>>head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10
this
> >>>evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
> >>>should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Russ aka Drake(SCA)
> >>>
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From morgancain at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  4 13:05:33 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:05:33 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Remaining Items - Lost & Found - Steppes
	Artisan/Champion/Archery
Message-ID: <012f01c35ac3$cf277ce0$ae051e43@homeseries>

Many of the items left behind have already been claimed.  The following still need owners:

1)    Arrow, blue and red fletching.

5)    Gorget.

7)    Red and gold rapier hood.

9)    Blue bag with gold straps and harp with Ansteorran star painted on the
front - please ID contents to collect.


The first three were gleaned off the field when it was cleared in the afternoon, the fourth was found in the hall during clean-up.  If you believe some item is yours, please contact me at morgancain at earthlink.net.  We have people going to Lughnasad next weekend and can deliver the items there, as well as going to Pennsic.  Not sure if anybody is going to Westgate (not)Winter Collegium, but can check.  If these don't work, we'll figure out something.

                                    ---= Morgan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea,
 never regains its original dimensions."
                                 ---= Oliver Wendell Holmes
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)



From bronwen at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug  4 19:30:27 2003
From: bronwen at austin.rr.com (Bronwen Fraseir)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:30:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant
Message-ID: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>

It is with great sadness that I impart the following news.  HL Centurion Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, squire to Sir Kief av Kiersted and Equis Romanius Scipio Vesperanius; MKA Lawrence David Ruiz left his body this morning at 3:45 am in Cocoa, Florida in the company of his wife and mother.

At this time his body is being sustained on life support and recipients have been found for his heart and liver.  The rest of his organs are being tested and recipients are being sought.

The result of his death was a severe head trauma due to a motorcycle accident early Sunday morning.  Kim asks that everyone respect her privacy and not call or e-mail until further notified while she grieves the passing of her husband and attends to business.  

There will be memorial services to be announced at a later date and she asks that no flowers be sent as a charity will be named in lieu of flowers and gifts.

Please keep Lawrence's family in your thoughts and prayers while they cope with this difficult time.

Bronwen Fraseir
DeAnn Ewing



From plsampson at hotpop.com  Mon Aug  4 22:09:12 2003
From: plsampson at hotpop.com (Penny Sampson)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:09:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant
In-Reply-To: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>
References: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>
Message-ID: <20030805000429.3A47.PLSAMPSON@hotpop.com>

I dont remember if we got the pleasure of meeting Lawrence the Rampant,
but our sympathys are with our friends from Seawinds and the family of
Laurence. 
God bless you all, and your all in our prayers as you go through this
tough time. 

Penny and Dale Sampson (Stone Bridge Keep)




From cyranobcc at netzero.net  Tue Aug  5 01:44:20 2003
From: cyranobcc at netzero.net (cyranobcc)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 03:44:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Academy of the Rapier
Message-ID: <01e301c35b2d$c5977800$c2884a43@pcname>

Greetings All!

The website for this year's Academy of the Rapier is now available at:

http://gatesedge.ansteorra.org/files/aor.htm

Look forward to seeing all there.

Ld Brian





From morgancain at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  5 06:15:29 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:15:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] One more Found item - Artisan
Message-ID: <010001c35b53$aaf37140$d4a31e43@homeseries>

While I was sorting out the box of Lost & Found items to take to Steppes Business Meeting tonight, I found one item that I overlooked before - a small pendant of a Celtic cross, a little over an inch long.  It is flat on the reverse, so was cast.

Let me know if this is yours, and it will be returned.

                                            ---= Morgan


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea,
 never regains its original dimensions."
                                 ---= Oliver Wendell Holmes
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)



From dragonetti at generich.com  Tue Aug  5 09:45:47 2003
From: dragonetti at generich.com (Armand Dragonetti)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:45:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant
References: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>
Message-ID: <00b501c35b71$05a901a0$34bafea9@Prowler>

Many of us know names. Many of us know faces. Some of us know the names and
faces. I've known a man by name, face and deed; with the heart of a lion;
near knighthood; and truly a knight in my mind already.
My squire brother and friend,
HL Centurion Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle.
http://www.generich.com/elfsea/steppeswarlord02/sw02-31.jpg

It pains me to say goodbye. You will be sorely missed, but never forgotten.

Armand Dragonetti

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bronwen Fraseir" <bronwen at austin.rr.com>
To: <Ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Cc: <Ansteorra-Squires at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:30 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant


It is with great sadness that I impart the following news.  HL Centurion
Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, squire to Sir Kief av Kiersted and Equis
Romanius Scipio Vesperanius; MKA Lawrence David Ruiz left his body this
morning at 3:45 am in Cocoa, Florida in the company of his wife and mother.

At this time his body is being sustained on life support and recipients have
been found for his heart and liver.  The rest of his organs are being tested
and recipients are being sought.

The result of his death was a severe head trauma due to a motorcycle
accident early Sunday morning.  Kim asks that everyone respect her privacy
and not call or e-mail until further notified while she grieves the passing
of her husband and attends to business.

There will be memorial services to be announced at a later date and she asks
that no flowers be sent as a charity will be named in lieu of flowers and
gifts.

Please keep Lawrence's family in your thoughts and prayers while they cope
with this difficult time.

Bronwen Fraseir
DeAnn Ewing

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From gam at door.net  Tue Aug  5 15:15:40 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:15:40 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Pity Party
Message-ID: <000e01c35b9f$1c9a2e60$6701a8c0@anns>

Greetings Good People,

Bonwicke's Pennsic Pity Paty is just days away are you ready?

I have a sorta schedule for anyone interested.  NOTHING is set in stone and very subject to change.  

Friday if you want to show up  beware we may not be at the house until 5ish.  Just call 806-787-8007 that would be my cell I will be in town taking care of mundane stuff.

Saturday 
Get up around 7ish my kids will make sure of that whether we want them to or not. 

After that we will do stuff.  Breakfast, food is always high on the list of things to do.  If you want to bring stuff to cook we will.  
Then if the Rapiers wish to get started before it gets to hot lets do.  Prize will be a fighters cloak made with your colors.  
After that we will relax the day away with stories and songs, arts and sciences.  Her Excellency will field questions on scrolls and other subjects.  And if you have a arts question or project please bring it and we will do the best to answer questions or provide projects for persons to do.  Idle hand leds to mischief I have been told.  Don't forget there is a bardic of No ******* there I was for the day story.

Then when it starts to cool off again, we will start the heavy tourney.  The prize will be a pair of steel half gauntlets.

Food will be served sometime.  Yes it will.  I have a brisket and a turkey that will be served, do not forget to bring a pot luck for the feast.  

If you have anything you wish to see done or do at the PPP please let me know.

May you have a safe journey in your travels be it Pennsic or the Barony of Bonwicke's Pennsic Pity Party

Anastasiya

Directions
>From points East and South. Make your way to I-27 head north past the airport. Take exit 11 (FM 1294) heading west. approximately 10 miles you will come to a gently curve. There will be a crossroad there turn right. You are now on FM 2528. The site is the 7th house. Sign will be posted. 

Points North coming down I-27 please take exit 11 and follow previous instruction.

Points West if coming from Brownfield take loop to North Frankford (FM 2528) go past the Walmart and then on to Clovis Hwy (84). Go across railroad tracks, you will come to a stop sign approximately 6 miles continue there that until you come to the 7th house. Signs will be posted.

If coming from Clovis, take the first stop light left across railroad tracks and follow previous instructions.

If you get lost call 806-741-1828 or 806-787-8007



PS did I finally make it to the western regional list. Please say yes.

Anastasiya


From bronwen at austin.rr.com  Tue Aug  5 22:25:10 2003
From: bronwen at austin.rr.com (Bronwen Fraseir)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:25:10 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lawrence's Last Gift
Message-ID: <003301c35bdb$1b9d87a0$6501a8c0@Emerald>

Lawrence's wife Kim (Muirin) wanted all to know that she is happy to announce that for her birthday, 8/5/03, her last gift from her husband was the donation of his organs to several recipients.

Lawrence was an organ donor and recipients were found for all of his major organs.  There are several people who will live longer, healthier lives thanks to this gift.

Bronwen Fraseir
DeAnn Ewing

From Reihla at aol.com  Wed Aug  6 09:46:43 2003
From: Reihla at aol.com (Reihla at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:46:43 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lawrence's Last Gift
Message-ID: <1a4.18319df4.2c628af3@aol.com>

> Lawrence was an organ donor and recipients were found for all of 
> his major organs.  There are several people who will live longer, 
> healthier lives thanks to this gift.

Though he was my brother Centurion I didn't know Lawrence well because we 
lived so far apart.  However, many are the tales I heard of his fighting prowess 
and battlefield heroism.  Thank you for telling us of his last gift.  It is a 
story truly worthy of an Ansteorran hero.  In my mind Lawrence will join the 
list of people I remember whenever I hear the phrase "because that's what 
heroes do."  

- Cts. Kat, CSS


From hillaryrg at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  6 12:19:59 2003
From: hillaryrg at yahoo.com (Hillary Greenslade)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:19:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
Message-ID: <20030806191959.80678.qmail@web12809.mail.yahoo.com>

Pulled from another list, for those with cable.  
Enjoy, Hillary 


Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
It must have been one of his last projects, it's
dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.

Looks like some members of Britannia and other
English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
hillfort recreations and shots.

Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
recreations, with actors and reenactors.
I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.

It has some interesting side bits - like
the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.

A video and CD of the program is available from
the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
http://tlc.discovery.com/


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From cellach at breezykilt.com  Wed Aug  6 13:12:02 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:12:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
References: <20030806191959.80678.qmail@web12809.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <02a801c35c56$ffda1110$1208a8c0@bobby>

I watched this last night.  It wasn't riveting entertainment, although, it
was certainly worth watching.  I recommend it.

Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hillary Greenslade" <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:19 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite


> Pulled from another list, for those with cable.
> Enjoy, Hillary
>
>
> Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
> Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
> King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
> The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
> It must have been one of his last projects, it's
> dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.
>
> Looks like some members of Britannia and other
> English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
> but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
> of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
> hillfort recreations and shots.
>
> Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
> recreations, with actors and reenactors.
> I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
> The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
> is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
> Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.
>
> It has some interesting side bits - like
> the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
> cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
> in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
> stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
> fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
> the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
> the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
> removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
> Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
> but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.
>
> A video and CD of the program is available from
> the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
> when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
> http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
> Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
> http://tlc.discovery.com/
>
>
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From baroness_maleah at cox.net  Wed Aug  6 20:38:05 2003
From: baroness_maleah at cox.net (Maleah)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:38:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
Message-ID: <005501c35c95$50221800$6400a8c0@banshee>

I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir Gunthar. If someone has that
info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,
Maleah
Baroness of Namron



From sarapenrose at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  7 07:06:05 2003
From: sarapenrose at yahoo.com (Kimberly Koch)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
In-Reply-To: <005501c35c95$50221800$6400a8c0@banshee>
Message-ID: <20030807140605.12347.qmail@web12707.mail.yahoo.com>

Answered privately.

--- Maleah <baroness_maleah at cox.net> wrote:
> I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir
> Gunthar. If someone has that
> info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly
> appreciate it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Maleah
> Baroness of Namron
> 
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From macpob1 at airmail.net  Thu Aug  7 08:05:22 2003
From: macpob1 at airmail.net (Martha A. Compton)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Oops! Another Steppes Artisan Thanks
Message-ID: <20030807100522.B8947@stardock.pug.net>

Due to post-event craziness I neglected to thank our gracious Central
Regional Scribe, H.L. Ceinwen ferch Rhuel , for hand delivering blank
scrolls to us for the charter painting table.  I apologize for the
oversight and send her the grateful thanks of the entire Steppes scribal
community.

H.L. Muireann
Principal, Steppes Calligraphers & Illuminators Guild
--
Alis volat propriis - She flies with her own wings.


From Charley at lcc.net  Thu Aug  7 08:05:42 2003
From: Charley at lcc.net (Charley Atchley)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:42 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
Message-ID: <20030807100542.C8947@stardock.pug.net>

Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning. 

http://www.msnusers.com/AdamickFamily

Athaulf


From lg_photo at texas.net  Thu Aug  7 15:24:29 2003
From: lg_photo at texas.net (Alice Morrow Harris)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:24:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
References: <20030807100542.C8947@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <3F32D19E.948AB82B@texas.net>



Charley Atchley wrote:

> Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning.
>

Greetings From Alina:

Congratulations on your new baby son. Wishing your wife a speedy recuperation after the surgery to delivery of your precious one.

Wishing You And Your Wife Many Wonderful Times With Your Son,
Alina



From smithfamily at paxway.com  Thu Aug  7 18:02:33 2003
From: smithfamily at paxway.com (Tom & Kim Smith)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:02:33 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Feast still available
Message-ID: <009101c35d48$c11122a0$cf864a43@Eadgar>

Feast for the Westgate Winter Collegium event this weekend Saturday August 9 are still available, come one, come all !

Feast will be sold at the door on a first come first served basis, no more reservations taken as of today.

The menu is: 
french bread, butter, white bean soup flavored with thyme, bacon and green onion sprinkles
roast pork loin with pan reduction sauce, glazed carrots
"boerf" bourginion, green vegetables in season, rice
peach pie
lemonade


From gam at door.net  Thu Aug  7 15:31:31 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:31:31 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] PPP
Message-ID: <002601c35d33$a72d8780$6701a8c0@anns>

The day is set and arrangements have been made are you prepared to travel to War or do you just need some friends to share your pity of not being able to attend Pennsic.  Then do as you must.  Just remember Bonwicke has prepared to help you with your pity.

Just us this weekend if you have no where else to turn.  

Have a safe trip when you travel this weekend.  

With warm thoughts 

Anastasiya

From SiobhanON at aol.com  Fri Aug  8 07:18:27 2003
From: SiobhanON at aol.com (SiobhanON at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:18:27 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Chirurgeons/Elfsea Defender
Message-ID: <6.1689d69a.2c650b33@aol.com>

Greetings,
    I will be Chirurgeon in Charge at Elfsea's 25th Defender. I need 
volunteers to work shifts. We will be having all manner of competition, including 
Equestrian, so we can not have too many chirurgeons. Please contact me privately, 
or on the list, if you are interested in working a shift or apprenticing. Let 
me know the hours you will be available and I will work up a schedule. 
Many thanks.
Siobhan


From caladin at io.com  Fri Aug  8 12:22:10 2003
From: caladin at io.com (caladin)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:22:10 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lughnasad Chiv tourney question...
References: <200308071700.h77H05A04348@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <002001c35de2$5d487e90$ca02e00a@austin.mgam>


Anyone know the format of the Lughnasaad Chivalric tourney this weekend?

I'd like to know what to pack, stick wise.

Thanks!

Caladin-


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>    1. Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
>       (Hillary Greenslade)
>    2. Re: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
>       (Cellach Ferguson)
>    3. ISO Count Gunthar (Maleah)
>    4. Re: ISO Count Gunthar (Kimberly Koch)
>    5. Oops! Another Steppes Artisan Thanks (Martha A. Compton)
>    6. A new birth (Charley Atchley)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:19:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Hillary Greenslade <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs
> Nite
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <20030806191959.80678.qmail at web12809.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Pulled from another list, for those with cable.
> Enjoy, Hillary
>
>
> Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
> Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
> King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
> The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
> It must have been one of his last projects, it's
> dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.
>
> Looks like some members of Britannia and other
> English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
> but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
> of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
> hillfort recreations and shots.
>
> Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
> recreations, with actors and reenactors.
> I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
> The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
> is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
> Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.
>
> It has some interesting side bits - like
> the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
> cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
> in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
> stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
> fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
> the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
> the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
> removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
> Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
> but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.
>
> A video and CD of the program is available from
> the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
> when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
> http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
> Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
> http://tlc.discovery.com/
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:12:02 -0500
> From: "Cellach Ferguson" <cellach at breezykilt.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program
> Thurs Nite
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <02a801c35c56$ffda1110$1208a8c0 at bobby>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I watched this last night.  It wasn't riveting entertainment, although, it
> was certainly worth watching.  I recommend it.
>
> Cellach Ferguson
> Alba Gu Brath!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hillary Greenslade" <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:19 PM
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs
Nite
>
>
> > Pulled from another list, for those with cable.
> > Enjoy, Hillary
> >
> >
> > Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
> > Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
> > King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
> > The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
> > It must have been one of his last projects, it's
> > dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.
> >
> > Looks like some members of Britannia and other
> > English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
> > but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
> > of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
> > hillfort recreations and shots.
> >
> > Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
> > recreations, with actors and reenactors.
> > I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
> > The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
> > is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
> > Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.
> >
> > It has some interesting side bits - like
> > the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
> > cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
> > in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
> > stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
> > fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
> > the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
> > the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
> > removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
> > Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
> > but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.
> >
> > A video and CD of the program is available from
> > the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
> > when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
> > http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
> > Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
> > http://tlc.discovery.com/
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
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> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:38:05 -0500
> From: "Maleah" <baroness_maleah at cox.net>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
> To: "Ansteorra" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <005501c35c95$50221800$6400a8c0 at banshee>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir Gunthar. If someone has
that
> info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
> Maleah
> Baroness of Namron
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kimberly Koch <sarapenrose at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <20030807140605.12347.qmail at web12707.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Answered privately.
>
> --- Maleah <baroness_maleah at cox.net> wrote:
> > I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir
> > Gunthar. If someone has that
> > info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly
> > appreciate it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Maleah
> > Baroness of Namron
> >
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> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:22 -0500
> From: "Martha A. Compton" <macpob1 at airmail.net>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Oops! Another Steppes Artisan Thanks
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <20030807100522.B8947 at stardock.pug.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Due to post-event craziness I neglected to thank our gracious Central
> Regional Scribe, H.L. Ceinwen ferch Rhuel , for hand delivering blank
> scrolls to us for the charter painting table.  I apologize for the
> oversight and send her the grateful thanks of the entire Steppes scribal
> community.
>
> H.L. Muireann
> Principal, Steppes Calligraphers & Illuminators Guild
> --
> Alis volat propriis - She flies with her own wings.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:42 -0500
> From: Charley Atchley <Charley at lcc.net>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <20030807100542.C8947 at stardock.pug.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda
Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a
new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning.
>
> http://www.msnusers.com/AdamickFamily
>
> Athaulf
>
> ------------------------------
>
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From Patrickandjulia at aol.com  Fri Aug  8 16:45:03 2003
From: Patrickandjulia at aol.com (Patrickandjulia at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:45:03 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Another Loss
Message-ID: <41.325cbba9.2c658fff@aol.com>

We would like to share the news of the passing of Baroness Pashley's husband 
this morning.  While he did not participate in our Society as his Ladywife, he 
supported her faithfully in her endeavors to make the SCA a place for Heroes.

Patrick & Julia


From fairbourne at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  9 06:02:22 2003
From: fairbourne at sbcglobal.net (Nolen Dale)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:02:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Another Loss
In-Reply-To: <41.325cbba9.2c658fff@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001001c35e76$79902eb0$8e5f8f42@nolandal>

Paishley you and yours are in my thoughts.
Richard Fairbourne


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of
Patrickandjulia at aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 6:45 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Another Loss


We would like to share the news of the passing of Baroness Pashley's husband
this morning.  While he did not participate in our Society as his Ladywife,
he
supported her faithfully in her endeavors to make the SCA a place for
Heroes.

Patrick & Julia
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From MikaelaOfWestgate at ev1.net  Sat Aug  9 23:20:32 2003
From: MikaelaOfWestgate at ev1.net (Mikaela de Sevilla)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:20:32 +1000
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
References: <20030807100542.C8947@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <002001c35f07$8128cb50$0200000a@caspar>

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

I had a look at your pictures and I enjoyed them so much.  You not only have
a beautiful boy but a very lovely family as well.  I got all teary eyed,
especially since I am looking forward to the rest of my family too.
Hopefully the pictures of my babys birth will be as clear as your and I can
post them too.

So very grateful to be able to see a part of your family,
and counting down my last few weeks.

Mikaela de Sevilla
Living in the land down under.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charley Atchley" <Charley at lcc.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:05 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth


> Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda
Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a
new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning.
>
> http://www.msnusers.com/AdamickFamily
>
> Athaulf



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Sun Aug 10 15:46:18 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:46:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lughnasad
References: <009a01c359f6$e9ac35b0$0100a8c0@theparents>
Message-ID: <000701c35f91$3888ec60$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

For those of us who coudn't go what happen?  Who got awards, etc.??

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.


From gam at door.net  Sun Aug 10 13:35:09 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:35:09 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Pity Party
Message-ID: <003101c35f7e$e4be4a60$6701a8c0@anns>

Greetings,

I wanted to thank all that journeyed to Our lands and showed your support.  I hope you all had a wonderful time, and We hope to see you all once again to enjoy your company.  

Anastasiya

From catmafia at swbell.net  Mon Aug 11 06:47:28 2003
From: catmafia at swbell.net (Susan O'Neal)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:47:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Address change
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030811083156.0388cb58@postoffice.swbell.net>

I hope we will be up by Wednesday night, but the new address is to be 
catmafia at cablelynx.com.  My backup is catmafia03 at yahoo.com

Lady Susan the Curious
Northkeep






From muirin at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 11 14:14:07 2003
From: muirin at hotmail.com (Kimberly Keplar)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:14:07 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for Kief and Lorraine
Message-ID: <BAY9-F63Ay4MoSn03t30002e783@hotmail.com>


Would either Sir Kief or Lorraine contact me off list?  If you will email me 
a phone number I would gladly call either or both of you, the information i 
have is out of date.

Thank you,

Muirin

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From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Mon Aug 11 15:05:53 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:05:53 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: [NR] re: sales tax
Message-ID: <JJNMLPIPKNBJMGAA@mailcity.com>

That's a relief.  I could just hear all the interesting language involved.  ;-)

Nell
--

--------- Original Message ---------

DATE: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:48:44
From: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
To: "'nellwynn0 at lycos.com'" <nellwynn0 at lycos.com>, "'Northern Region of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.'" <northern at ansteorra.org>
Cc: 

>As a 501(c)(3) entity, the SCA is exempt from sales tax on sales of food to
>or by the organization as per 68 O.S. 2001, Section 1357.11.  
>
>Since I do a lot of feasts, I learned this one a number of years ago.  It is
>amended every year, usually by transfering it into the new section of law.
>
>Bear
>
>> My daughter-in-law had a horrid thought a couple of days ago. 
>>  Are we going to have to start charging tax on feast?  It 
>> says that tax is due on, and I quote,
>> 
>> 710:65-19-40. Caterers 
>> 
>> Nell
> 
>



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From robintheacquirer_2000 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 12 10:51:28 2003
From: robintheacquirer_2000 at hotmail.com (Chris Andrews)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:51:28 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] In search of 
Message-ID: <BAY1-F47KAC4jRWBGQ80000ade0@hotmail.com>

Could anyone who lives in the greater Midland / Odessa area please contact 
me,

In Service,
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From padraig_ruad at irishbard.org  Wed Aug 13 11:11:16 2003
From: padraig_ruad at irishbard.org (Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:11:16 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: Lughnasad Lost and Found
Message-ID: <000101c361c9$03624b00$fd96fea9@computer>

My apologies if you receive this multiple times.  It was posted to
Ansteorra-Announce on Monday but so far has failed to come through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain" <padraig_ruad at irishbard.org>
To: <ansteorra-announce at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:05 PM
Subject: Lughnasad Lost and Found


> The following is a list of items found by the Lughnasad tear-down crew:
>
> 5 Chairs (collapsible, metal frames with cloth seats/backs)
> 1 10'x10' tarp
> 1 rattan mace
> 1 Zippo lighter
> 1 small folding multi-purpose tool
> 1 small brass bell
> 1 man's ring
> 1 child's ring
>
> If any of these items belong to you, please email me privately at
> padraig_ruad at irishbard.org, including a description of the item, and I
will
> make arrangements to have it returned it to you.
>
> In Service,
> Padr?ig Ruad ? Maolag?in
> Lughnasad Autocrat
> -------------------------------
> Nunc est bibendum
> ***********************
> ***********************
> Politicians prefer unarmed peasants.
>



From padraig_ruad at irishbard.org  Wed Aug 13 11:10:07 2003
From: padraig_ruad at irishbard.org (Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:10:07 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: Lughnasad Awards and Titled Bard
Message-ID: <000001c361c9$02ba7240$fd96fea9@computer>

My apologies if you receive this multiple times.  It was posted to
Ansteorra-Announce on Monday but so far has failed to come through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain" <padraig_ruad at irishbard.org>
To: <ansteorra-announce at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 8:14 PM
Subject: Lughnasad Awards and Titled Bard


> My thanks to everyone who attended Loch Ruadh's Lughnasad celebration this
> past weekend.  You helped to make our event a great success, and I hope
that
> you all enjoyed it at least as much as I did.  While the weather wasn't as
> cool as I would have liked, at least we had cloud cover and breezes
> throughout the day on Saturday, and the storms that pounded the Metroplex
> thankfully bypassed us.
>
> My individual thank you list will follow in a separate missive - it is
> extensive, and I want to try to list everyone.
>
> As Court Herald, it is my pleasure to announce that the following awards
> were given:
>
> Connal Mac an Ghabhann - Sable Thistle, Brewing
> Magdalea Mac an Ghabhann - Sable Thistle, Brewing
> Daniel the Younger - Rising Star of Ansteorra
> Brighid MacFergus - Award of Arms
> Rolf Sewardson - Sable Comet, Loch Ruadh
> Dohmnall Dubh O'Ruairc - Sable Comet, Loch Ruadh
> Tangwystl verch Maredudd - Portcullis of Elfsea
> Madelina de Lindesay - Portcullis of Elfsea
>
> And it is my honor to announce the new Titled Bard of Loch Ruadh:
> Grimvere Longtooth,
> holder of the Scarlet Cloak, the crooked staff and the silver harp pendant
> for the next year.
>
> It was a hotly contested competition, and every piece performed was
> praiseworthy.  Many thanks to all the competing bards, and also to Lord
and
> Lady Loch Ruadh, and my predecessor in the title, Elanor O'Rourke, for
> helping to judge and aiding in a most difficult decision.
>
> And if you thought this year's Lughnasad was good, just wait until next
> year.  You ain't seen nothin' yet!
>
> In Service,
> Padr?ig Ruad ? Maolag?in
> Lughnasad Autocrat AS XXXVIII



From padraig_ruad at irishbard.org  Wed Aug 13 12:35:27 2003
From: padraig_ruad at irishbard.org (Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:35:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Re:  Lughnasad
References: <20030813.142200.-1883917.1.lizdenpeters@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004401c361d2$0d2598a0$fd96fea9@computer>

The Misty Forest we have usedin the past, but the pump-and-fan system was
the brainchild of John Stegall (he hasn't chosen a persona name yet),
Grainne nic Seadna's lord husband.  We are contemplating what an appropriate
recognition might be - I like your idea of canonization.  :)

I am glad that you enjoyed our event, and thank you for your kind words.  I
hope eveyone who attended had at least as much fun as I did.

In Service,
Padr?ig Ruad ? Maolag?in
Lughnasad Autocrat AS XXXVIII
Lady Fionnuala wrote:

> M'lord,
>
> Whoever came up with the misting station needs to be canonized!  While it
> was not as hot as it has been in years past, that installation was a
> lifesaver as I do not do at all well in the heat.  Also, the fact that
> mist was directed over the list field was a good idea for those fighting
> in the heat even though we may hear grumbles about rusted armor.
>
> I try to attend this event every year.  It is low-key, fun and the food
> is good.  Watching the donnybrook was great fun and a good way for the
> kids to stay cool.
>
> Thanks to all  for a fun and lovely event.
>
> Lady Fionnuala the Fey (Nuala)



From charding at nwlink.com  Wed Aug 13 18:43:16 2003
From: charding at nwlink.com (Cathy Harding)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:43:16 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Some one seeking Master William Bjornson
Message-ID: <NEBBJBIBEKDBGCJJIOLJEEFLGEAA.charding@nwlink.com>

Greetings,
I have been told that someone from Ansteorra was seeking to contact Master
William Bjornson (of An Tir).  We have been fighting various computer viral
infections and the @home to attbi to comcast mess, so he has had changing
email address problems.  He can be reached at either dawson.bill at comcast.net
or at this address.

Maeve

www.billdawsonmetalsmith.com



From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Thu Aug 14 09:34:57 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:34:57 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] virus
Message-ID: <PMEOJEGPEILGNGAA@mailcity.com>

I learned when I was working as an online tech to check out all virus warnings that you get from individuals.  This is what McAfee has to say about the jdbgmgr.exe "virus"
.  
Virus Profile 
 
Virus Information 
Name: Jdbgmgr.exe hoax 
Risk Assessment   
  - Home Users: N/A 
  - Corporate Users: N/A 
Date Discovered: N/A 
Date Added: 4/8/2002 
Origin: Unknown 
Length: 0 
Type: Hoax 
SubType: - 
DAT Required: N/A 
 
  Quick Links 
Virus Characteristics 
Removal Instructions 
 
 
Buy or Update 
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Buy VirusScan Online 
 
 Update VirusScan Online 
 
 
 
Virus Characteristics  
 
AVERT HOAX Notice!!

McAfee AVERT Labs would like to inform you of a new email HOAX.

This email message is just a HOAX. Although, the JDBGMGR.EXE file may become infected by a number of valid viruses (most commonly W32/Magistr at MM), the details of this HOAX message are not based on actual events.

We are advising users who receive the email to delete the message and DO NOT pass it on as this is how an email HOAX propagates.

JDBGMGR.EXE is the Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java. This application is only useful for Java developers and does not need to be restored on other user's systems. In the event that this file has already been deleted and you need to restore it, see the Removal Instructions for instructions. 
It uses this icon: 

 

Below is the actual text from the message that may be received via email. There are numerous variations on these messages. 

(English version)

I found the little bear in my machine because of that I am sending this message in order for you to find it in your machine.  The procedure is very simple: 

The objective of this e-mail is to warn all Hotmail users about a new virus that is spreading by MSN Messenger.  The name of this virus is jdbgmgr.exe and it is sent automatically by the Messenger and by the address book too.  The virus is not detected by McAfee or Norton and it stays quiet for 14 days before damaging the system.  

The virus can be cleaned before it deletes the files from your system.  In order to eliminate it, it is just necessary to do the following steps: 
1. Go to Start, click "Search"
2.- In the "Files or Folders option" write the name jdbgmgr.exe 
3.- Be sure that you are searching in the drive "C" 
4.- Click "find now" 
5.- If the virus is there (it has a little bear-like icon with the name of jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT FOR ANY REASON
6.- Right click and delete it (it will go to the Recycle bin) 
7.- Go to the recycle bin and delete it or empty the recycle bin. 

IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS IN ALL OF YOUR SYSTEMS SEND THIS MESSAGE TO ALL OF YOUR CONTACTS LOCATED IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK BEFORE IT CAN CAUSE ANY DAMAGE.

  
And this is from Norton:

Jdbgmgr.exe file hoax  
Reported on: April 12, 2002  
Last Updated on: July 19, 2003 02:47:09 AM 

  
  

Symantec Security Response encourages you to ignore any messages regarding this hoax. It is harmless and is intended only to cause unwarranted concern.


Type: Hoax 




This hoax, like the SULFNBK.EXE Warning hoax, tries to encourage you to delete a legitimate Windows file from your computer. Jdbgmgr.exe is the file to which the hoax refers, and it is the Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java. The Jdbgmgr.exe file may be installed when you install Windows.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Notes: 
Some versions of this hoax take advantage of an actual threat, the W32.bugbear at mm worm. The Jdbgmgr.exe file mentioned in the hoax has a bear icon. The actual W32.bugbear at mm worm file is a .exe file and does not have a bear icon. 
Other versions of this hoax have slightly different ways in which they refer to the Jdbgmgr.exe file, usually in the subject of the email message. 
For example: 

Subject: "jdbg" Virus: how to detect and remove.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



NOTE: Recent 

The Windows Jdbgmgr.exe file has a teddy bear icon in the hoax, as illustrated below:





CAUTION: A virus can infect Jdbgmgr.exe. The W32.Efortune.31384 at mm virus in particular targets this file. Norton AntiVirus has provided protection against W32.Efortune.31384 at mm since May 11, 2001.

NOTE: If you have already deleted the Jdbgmgr.exe file, in most cases, you do not need to re-install it. The following quote is extracted from the Microsoft Knowledge Base article, "Virus Hoax: Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java (Jdbgmgr.exe) Is Not a Virus (Q322993)."

"The Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java (Jdbgmgr.exe) is only used by Microsoft Visual J++ 1.1 developers.

If you follow the e-mail message instructions and delete this file, you do not have to recover it unless you use Microsoft Visual J++ 1.1 to develop Java programs on Windows XP, Windows NT 4.0, Windows 98 Second Edition, Windows 98, or Windows 95."

If you need to restore this file, follow the instructions in "Virus Hoax: Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java (Jdbgmgr.exe) Is Not a Virus (Q322993)."


Hoax messages
This hoax has appeared in several languages. Some examples of the exact content, which is copied from the hoax message, are:

English, version 1

I found the little bear in my machine because of that I am sending this message in order for you to find it in your machine. The procedure is very simple:

The objective of this e-mail is to warn all Hotmail users about a new virus that is spreading by MSN Messenger. The name of this virus is jdbgmgr.exe and it is sent automatically by the Messenger and by the address book too. The virus is not detected by McAfee or Norton and it stays quiet for 14 days before damaging the system.

The virus can be cleaned before it deletes the files from your system. In order to eliminate it, it is just necessary to do the following steps:
1. Go to Start, click "Search"
2.- In the "Files or Folders option" write the name jdbgmgr.exe
3.- Be sure that you are searching in the drive "C"
4.- Click "find now"
5.- If the virus is there (it has a little bear-like icon with the name of jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT FOR ANY REASON
6.- Right click and delete it (it will go to the Recycle bin)
7.- Go to the recycle bin and delete it or empty the recycle bin.

IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS IN ALL OF YOUR SYSTEMS SEND THIS MESSAGE TO ALL OF YOUR CONTACTS LOCATED IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK BEFORE IT CAN CAUSE ANY DAMAGE.


I hope both companies will forgive me for the copy and paste but it is important and it let me do it.

Nell

 
 




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From culn97 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 16 07:33:01 2003
From: culn97 at yahoo.com (Rod Jackson)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 07:33:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Hospitaller of Emerald Keep
Message-ID: <20030816143301.94244.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com>


Pardon the bandwidth, I am in search of the Hospitaller of the Shire of Emerald Keep.

 

The Link thru the Shire web site seems to be broken.

 

Please contact me off list about a demo at a Waco school.

 

Thank you.

 

Your servant,

 

Lord Colin McCrandall,

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From muirin at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 16 08:27:55 2003
From: muirin at hotmail.com (Kimberly Keplar)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:27:55 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle
Message-ID: <BAY9-F41CzrHRpCyxpN000413b9@hotmail.com>


Greetings all,

Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, mka Lawrence David 
Ruiz, will be held on Sat., 23 August 2003 at Seaside Memorial Park and 
Funeral Home in Corpus Christi, Tx.  All are welcome to attend.  In lieu of 
flowers or gifts, donations in Lawrence's name are being given to Ronald 
McDonald House and Charlie's Place (a charitable drug rehabilitation center 
in Corpus Christi).  For more informaition, please call Seaside Memorial 
Park.

Seaside Memorial Park and Funeral Home
4357 Ocean Dr.
Corpus Christi Tx 78412
(361) 992-9411

Take your best route to Ocean Dr.  Turn on Robert.  At blinking light, right 
into cemetary.  The services are at the large chaple just inside the 
cemetary,

I thank you all for the warm thoughts and prayers during this time.

In continued Service,

Muirin
mka Kim Keplar-Ruiz

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From b-richard at houston.rr.com  Sat Aug 16 21:19:47 2003
From: b-richard at houston.rr.com (Beth Richard)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:19:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for Finnacan from Namron
Message-ID: <20030816231947.B23044@stardock.pug.net>

Would Finnacan from Namron please send me your new e-mail address?  I
sent mail to the one you had in May, but it bounced.

Thanks!
Tangwistel Telynores (Telynor)
  The Canton of Gate's Edge, Ansteorra (Houston, TX)
  b-richard at houston.rr.com


From becalhoun at excite.com  Sun Aug 17 18:36:47 2003
From: becalhoun at excite.com (becalhoun at excite.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:36:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] International Fest
Message-ID: <20030818013647.1D54F3DFA@xmxpita.excite.com>



Come and join the Barony of the Eldern Hills at its largest demo of the year.  We try to present as many aspects of the SCA as possible.  International Festival is held on the 27th and 28th of Sept.  We are located at the corner of 4th and B streets in Lawton, OK (right next to the library).

For the fighting demos;
Heralds will announce each fighter onto the field each day.  Ladies will present favors to their selected champions. ONLY AUTHORIZED FIGHTERS will be allowed onto the field.  Demo rules; not tourny (fall down when you are killed, etc..  Fighters bring a drawing of your arms on a heater shield, (1/4" thick) no larger than 10" by 12" to be posted on a list tree.

For the Arts and Sciences demos;
Both static and works in progress will be accepted.  You are encouraged to bring something to actually work on to impress the crowd.  Impress them with your skills and show the crowd how easy it is to actualy do the task.

Demonstrations of dance and fighting skills not normally a part of SCA events will be used as intermissions for the fighters.

If you need additional information please cal  or email 
Baron Michel mac Donnchaid 580-252-2520 mg1m at swbell.net
Ld Shawn Colquhoun 580-536-2425 BECalhoun at excite.com

Lord Shawn 
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From diegovalor22 at grandecom.net  Sun Aug 17 14:27:21 2003
From: diegovalor22 at grandecom.net (George Berry)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:27:21 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the
	Rampant of Ram's Isle
References: <BAY9-F41CzrHRpCyxpN000413b9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c36506$58849940$9a3c9b18@i7h0m3>

Dear Friends,

The time for the service is 10:00AM.  (I checked with the Seaside Funeral
Home.)

In Service,
George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kimberly Keplar" <muirin at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Cc: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's
Isle


>
> Greetings all,
>
> Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, mka Lawrence
David
> Ruiz, will be held on Sat., 23 August 2003 at Seaside Memorial Park and
> Funeral Home in Corpus Christi, Tx.  All are welcome to attend.  In lieu
of
> flowers or gifts, donations in Lawrence's name are being given to Ronald
> McDonald House and Charlie's Place (a charitable drug rehabilitation
center
> in Corpus Christi).  For more informaition, please call Seaside Memorial
> Park.
>
> Seaside Memorial Park and Funeral Home
> 4357 Ocean Dr.
> Corpus Christi Tx 78412
> (361) 992-9411
>
> Take your best route to Ocean Dr.  Turn on Robert.  At blinking light,
right
> into cemetary.  The services are at the large chaple just inside the
> cemetary,
>
> I thank you all for the warm thoughts and prayers during this time.
>
> In continued Service,
>
> Muirin
> mka Kim Keplar-Ruiz
>
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From muirin at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 18 05:29:46 2003
From: muirin at hotmail.com (Kimberly Keplar)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:29:46 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the
	Rampant of Ram's Isle
Message-ID: <BAY9-F24QMRU9sMEUAM00010f63@hotmail.com>


Thank you Diego...lately my blonde roots have been showing more often than 
usual.  If anyone requires more information, please contact me off list.

Muirin

>From: "George Berry" <diegovalor22 at grandecom.net>
>Reply-To: SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com
>To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>, <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>CC: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of 
>Ram's Isle
>Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:27:21 -0500
>
>Dear Friends,
>
>The time for the service is 10:00AM.  (I checked with the Seaside Funeral
>Home.)
>
>In Service,
>George
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kimberly Keplar" <muirin at hotmail.com>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Cc: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 10:27 AM
>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's
>Isle
>
>
> >
> > Greetings all,
> >
> > Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, mka Lawrence
>David
> > Ruiz, will be held on Sat., 23 August 2003 at Seaside Memorial Park and
> > Funeral Home in Corpus Christi, Tx.  All are welcome to attend.  In lieu
>of
> > flowers or gifts, donations in Lawrence's name are being given to Ronald
> > McDonald House and Charlie's Place (a charitable drug rehabilitation
>center
> > in Corpus Christi).  For more informaition, please call Seaside Memorial
> > Park.
> >
> > Seaside Memorial Park and Funeral Home
> > 4357 Ocean Dr.
> > Corpus Christi Tx 78412
> > (361) 992-9411
> >
> > Take your best route to Ocean Dr.  Turn on Robert.  At blinking light,
>right
> > into cemetary.  The services are at the large chaple just inside the
> > cemetary,
> >
> > I thank you all for the warm thoughts and prayers during this time.
> >
> > In continued Service,
> >
> > Muirin
> > mka Kim Keplar-Ruiz
> >
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From medievalbelle at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 18 13:56:10 2003
From: medievalbelle at yahoo.com (Stacy E. Dickey)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:56:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Baron Gavin
Message-ID: <20030818205610.12844.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry for the bandwidth, folks, but would Gavin please contact me
privately? A mutual friend out of kingdom is in search of you.


~Madame Colete d'Evreux

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From edrei at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 18 07:30:55 2003
From: edrei at earthlink.net (David  Backlin)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:30:55 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [TY] ARMOR SHOP LOOTED/ MEMPHIS,TN AREA
Message-ID: <019c01c36595$597554e0$d02afea9@gateway>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Kane1Lissa at aol.com>
To: <meridian-ty at yahoogroups.com>


> This is a member of Shadow Legion. Keep a lookout for this stuff and
> crosspost freely!
>
> Duchess Ilissa
> Meridies
> ******************************************************
> Subj:    [Shadow_Legion] Talan's shop was robbed.  ARMOUR MISSING!  Please
> read!
> Date:   08/18/2003 8:51:02 AM Central Daylight Time
> From:   GypsyJade at UReach.com (Kali)
> To: shadow_legion at yahoogroups.com
>
> Hi Guys,
> Talan's shop was broken into between Saturday night & today.  He
> lost all of his tools - a Stanley four drawer tool box full of
> all of the tools that he needs in order to do his job.  Hundreds
> of dollars worth of sockets, hand tools, and everything under
> the sun is GONE.
>
> To make this even worse, the idiots grabbed the armour bag
> also.
>
>  Talan has very very distinctive armour.
> His face helm gets quite a few comments wherever he goes.  It
> has a tongue sticking out that is pierced.  The arms & legs are
> splinted and very nicely done.  The kidney belt is a large
> leather piece that is banded with plates & has half moon shapes
> & a small shield on the back.  The belt is studded with little
> rivets all along the outside edge.  Everything (& I mean
> everything) was taken.  This is a custom set of armour that
> would cost someone thousands of dollars to replace.
>
> While I do not suspect that someone within society took the
> armour, I can't help thinking that it may show up either at an
> event or on eBay.
>
> Also, I have pictures of his armour if anyone would like to see
> them.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
> Please forward this on to every SCA list on which you are a
> member.  I really want to get the word out there.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kali, who is shaking so hard that she does not know what to do
>



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From stargate_seneschal at mail.ev1.net  Mon Aug 18 09:00:37 2003
From: stargate_seneschal at mail.ev1.net (stargate_seneschal)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:00:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] FWD: Texas Gulf Coast area SCA Rapier Board
Message-ID: <200308181100.AA69337408@mail.ev1.net>

For those who may have an interest. (This was received in my old 
Seneschal mail account.) 

Lady Isabeau Quiquandon
(FORMER Stargate Seneschal)

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "John Trojanowski" <john at trojanowski.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:09:56 -0500

Greetings All:
>
>My name is John Trojanowski and I am a sport (modern) fencer in 
the Houston-Galveston area. I also run a website for the benefit 
of said fencers within the Gulf Coast Division of the USFA.
>
>However, in the process of creating a forum site with a variety 
of boards for discussion (lack of communication is a big problem 
sometimes) I determined to expand the scope.
>
>So on this site 
>http://campechesteel.proboards15.com/index.cgi
>
>I have set up a board for historical fencing discussion and for 
SCA fencing discussion. My primary emphasis is the Gulf Coast 
region, but this is by no means a rule, just a re-occurring focus. 
I have corresponded with the few folks I communicate with in the 
SCA (Chris "Don Tivar Moondragon" Zakes, Elizabeth Zakes, 
Robert "Lyelf" Lyle), but they are all in Austin or the Dallas-Ft. 
Worth area.
>
>What I'd like to do is offer use of this board for the 
rapier/light fencers of the Gulf Coast Region of the SCA. If you 
folks decide you like it, I'd be happy to let one amongst you 
serve as moderator.
>
>It's new. No postings yet. Feel free to explore and use and get 
back to me. Let your fencers know.
>
>John Trojanowski
>
>
 

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From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 15:49:28 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:49:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Ansteorra-announce] Jams and jellies for
	Protectorate
Message-ID: <20030818174928.A15398@stardock.pug.net>

On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 09:04 PM, Maleah wrote:
>     Part of the festivities at this year's Protectorate is a Jams and
> Jellies competition sponsored by HE Ulf and myself. This is to help 
> showcase
> the aspiring cooks in our great kingdom.

> So, dig through your recipes, take advantage of the end of season 
> sales and
> bring your viands to Protectorate.
For those looking for recipes to try for this interesting competition, 
there are a few files in the Florilegium that might prove to be of use.
In the FOOD-SWEETS section:
marmalades-msg    (60K)  5/17/02    Period marmalades and fruit jellies 
and jams
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-SWEETS/marmalades-msg.html

There are also several files in the FOOD-FRUITS section that have 
information on various period fruits which might be useable in jellies 
and jams. Here are two of them:
fruits-msg       (104K)  5/21/02    Medieval fruits and fruit dishes. 
Recipes.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-FRUITS/fruits-msg.html
fruit-quinces-msg (64K) 12/14/02    Period uses and recipes for quinces.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-FRUITS/fruit-quinces-msg.html

Stefan
--------
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    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 18:43:30 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:43:30 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Greetings and Hi There,

I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't heard
any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?

Thanks for the info.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.



From pug at pug.net  Mon Aug 18 19:21:02 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:21:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>;
	from gilli@hot.rr.com on Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 08:43:30PM -0500
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>

Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
> calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't heard
> any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?

  Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a fact
  today.

  Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more per
  year if they hold any of the following:

- Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
- A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event

Ciao,

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From Reihla at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 19:55:51 2003
From: Reihla at aol.com (Reihla at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:55:51 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <17d.1f41e959.2c72ebb7@aol.com>

I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our recent 
 meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per year 
*including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event per year. 
 

I'm almost sure there was a discussion about which of Wiesenfeuer's three 
events per year we weren't going to do in order to bring us in line with the new 
policy.

Or maybe I was hallucinating.  

- Kat  >^.,.^<


From ThoraOdottir at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 20:04:19 2003
From: ThoraOdottir at aol.com (ThoraOdottir at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:04:19 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <f7.2f39227b.2c72edb3@aol.com>

There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies will 
be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event per 
year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can be no 
new court business conducted at the unofficial events.  

This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some hard 
decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to save 
the ones we enjoy through co-operation.

Thora Olafsdottir
DFT


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:06:27 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:06:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

I am well aware of the 2 events for Shires and Cantons and 3 for Baronies,
plus any Kingdom of Regional events that they might do.  We have been on
that system for a good many years now.

However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number of
calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not seen
anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a year
while a Barony could do two.

Is this true?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> > I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
> > calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't
heard
> > any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
>
>   Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a fact
>   today.
>
>   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more per
>   year if they hold any of the following:
>
> - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
> System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
>  Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White
Blvd
>  Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
> Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that
matter.
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:09:25 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:09:25 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <f7.2f39227b.2c72edb3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c365ff$4cc74720$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

So since it is "proposed" there is still room for some discussion on it?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <ThoraOdottir at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies
will
> be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event
per
> year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can be
no
> new court business conducted at the unofficial events.
>
> This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some
hard
> decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to
save
> the ones we enjoy through co-operation.
>
> Thora Olafsdottir
> DFT
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:16:51 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:16:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <f7.2f39227b.2c72edb3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c36600$566b1f80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Also, when and where was it proposed?  I've seen no such discussion on such
a monumental change in how we do business discussed or even mentioned on the
RT list.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <ThoraOdottir at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies
will
> be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event
per
> year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can be
no
> new court business conducted at the unofficial events.
>
> This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some
hard
> decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to
save
> the ones we enjoy through co-operation.
>
> Thora Olafsdottir
> DFT
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From meadhbh at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:30:47 2003
From: meadhbh at austin.rr.com (meadhbh)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:30:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>

It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
more information.

Mistress Meadhbh
Secretary to the Kingdom Seneschal

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Bob Dewart
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:06 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?

I am well aware of the 2 events for Shires and Cantons and 3 for
Baronies,
plus any Kingdom of Regional events that they might do.  We have been on
that system for a good many years now.

However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number
of
calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not
seen
anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a
year
while a Barony could do two.

Is this true?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> > I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the
number of
> > calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I
haven't
heard
> > any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
>
>   Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a
fact
>   today.
>
>   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more
per
>   year if they hold any of the following:
>
> - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
> System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop
625
>  Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben
White
Blvd
>  Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX
78741
> Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that
matter.
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra

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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:39:38 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:39:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>
Message-ID: <002a01c36603$8766c460$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Thanks for the info.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "meadhbh" <meadhbh at austin.rr.com>
To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
> can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
> suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
> more information.
> 
> Mistress Meadhbh
> Secretary to the Kingdom Seneschal
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Bob Dewart
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:06 PM
> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> 
> I am well aware of the 2 events for Shires and Cantons and 3 for
> Baronies,
> plus any Kingdom of Regional events that they might do.  We have been on
> that system for a good many years now.
> 
> However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number
> of
> calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not
> seen
> anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a
> year
> while a Barony could do two.
> 
> Is this true?
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> 
> 
> > Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> > > I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the
> number of
> > > calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I
> haven't
> heard
> > > any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
> >
> >   Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a
> fact
> >   today.
> >
> >   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more
> per
> >   year if they hold any of the following:
> >
> > - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> > - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event
> >
> > Ciao,
> >
> > --
> > Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
> > System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop
> 625
> >  Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben
> White
> Blvd
> >  Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX
> 78741
> > Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that
> matter.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ansteorra mailing list
> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From PKieferjr at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 20:42:00 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:42:00 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <99.3bf2a00e.2c72f688@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/18/2003 10:32:19 PM Central Daylight Time, 
meadhbh at austin.rr.com writes:

> It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
> can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
> suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
> more information.
> 
> Mistress Meadhbh
> 

Is the calendar getting that crowded?  Is it the result of growth?  I know 
that we've been adding groups at a rather quick pace.

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From jds at randomgang.com  Mon Aug 18 20:59:53 2003
From: jds at randomgang.com (Jennifer Smith)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:59:53 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>
References: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>
Message-ID: <20030819035953.GB15614@randomgang.com>

On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:30:47PM -0500, meadhbh wrote:
> It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
> can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
> suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
> more information.

Isn't this what the redtape mailing list is for?  (I've noticed it's
hardly used at all, which seems silly...)


-- 
Jennifer Smith
jds at randomgang.com


From mtucker at airmail.net  Mon Aug 18 21:43:09 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:43:09 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <001d01c36600$566b1f80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 10:16  PM, Bob Dewart wrote:

> Also, when and where was it proposed?  I've seen no such discussion on 
> such
> a monumental change in how we do business discussed or even mentioned 
> on the
> RT list.
>
> Gilli
>

Hi, Gilli:

This was announced by Their Majesties Ulsted and Cateau at King's Round 
Table (the "Red Tape" event) back on July 19, to the Barons and 
Baronesses in fief and any other officers who were present. I learned 
about it from Godwin and Lissa (Baron and Baroness of Stargate) when 
they got home from the event. It was not put to them as a suggestion by 
the Their Majesties, but rather it was announced to them as a change 
that was going to be made, along with an explanation of why.

To answer Johann Kiefer Hayden's question: yes, the calendar is "that 
crowded". It's been "that crowded" for years, which is why the kingdom 
installed the present limit on events. But Their Majesties evidently 
feel that those limits haven't been successful, hence the lower limits.

As Meadhbh said, this change will be made to Kingdom Law, although it 
hasn't been made yet (so I suppose there's still time to discuss the 
change with the Kingdom Seneschal and Their Majesties).

If you have any questions about this, you should contact the Kingdom 
Seneschal (seneschal at ansteorra.org) or Their Majesties 
(crown at ansteorra.org), or your local Baron and Baroness (who should 
have heard about this first-hand at Round Table). Or raise the subject 
on Red Tape, as a couple of you have suggested.

Personally, I feel that this change is a Good Thing(tm), and should 
encourage us to have fewer, but better, events. It should encourage 
more groups to bid for kingdom events (such as King's College), which 
often go begging for bids at present (or just don't get held). (There's 
a list of these events in Kingdom Law.) It should also encourage events 
that are hosted by multiple groups, pooling their efforts to pull off 
truly spectacular events.

Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they 
want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom 
Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards 
can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the 
Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band candy", or 
any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their 
group's expenses. :-)

Yours in service,
Michael Silverhands



From jtc at swordworks.org  Mon Aug 18 23:02:51 2003
From: jtc at swordworks.org (James Crouchet)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:02:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <200308190102.51369.jtc@swordworks.org>

On Monday 18 August 2003 09:21 pm, Pug Bainter wrote:

>   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more
> per year if they hold any of the following:
>
> - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event

I also understand that events above kingdom level -- Bod Meetings, 40th 
Anniversary of the SCA, Gulf War, KW Dance, KW Heraldic, etc. are exempt 
from the count. However, if you really want the skinny on this ask the 
Seneschal or her calendar deputy. Maybe someone can post the proposed 
text.

Dor?




From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 23:03:03 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:03:03 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c36617$8ea70fa0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Some groups don't have landed folks.

No, it's a bad thing.
1.    Reduces opportunities to get awards given to populace.
2.    Will increase court times. Instead of being able to have the awards
given at several events during the year it will now be at only one for
Shires and Cantons.
3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several a
year now.  And most groups don't do them.
4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third for
Baronies.
5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.

I hate to say it, but the reason the Kingdom calendar is too full is because
the Kingdom is too big.  Now there is politically incorrect thought.

I will email the Crown tomorrow.  It's too late tonight to do so
effectively.  But item one above really bothers me.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Tucker" <mtucker at airmail.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


>
> On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 10:16  PM, Bob Dewart wrote:
>
> > Also, when and where was it proposed?  I've seen no such discussion on
> > such
> > a monumental change in how we do business discussed or even mentioned
> > on the
> > RT list.
> >
> > Gilli
> >
>
> Hi, Gilli:
>
> This was announced by Their Majesties Ulsted and Cateau at King's Round
> Table (the "Red Tape" event) back on July 19, to the Barons and
> Baronesses in fief and any other officers who were present. I learned
> about it from Godwin and Lissa (Baron and Baroness of Stargate) when
> they got home from the event. It was not put to them as a suggestion by
> the Their Majesties, but rather it was announced to them as a change
> that was going to be made, along with an explanation of why.
>
> To answer Johann Kiefer Hayden's question: yes, the calendar is "that
> crowded". It's been "that crowded" for years, which is why the kingdom
> installed the present limit on events. But Their Majesties evidently
> feel that those limits haven't been successful, hence the lower limits.
>
> As Meadhbh said, this change will be made to Kingdom Law, although it
> hasn't been made yet (so I suppose there's still time to discuss the
> change with the Kingdom Seneschal and Their Majesties).
>
> If you have any questions about this, you should contact the Kingdom
> Seneschal (seneschal at ansteorra.org) or Their Majesties
> (crown at ansteorra.org), or your local Baron and Baroness (who should
> have heard about this first-hand at Round Table). Or raise the subject
> on Red Tape, as a couple of you have suggested.
>
> Personally, I feel that this change is a Good Thing(tm), and should
> encourage us to have fewer, but better, events. It should encourage
> more groups to bid for kingdom events (such as King's College), which
> often go begging for bids at present (or just don't get held). (There's
> a list of these events in Kingdom Law.) It should also encourage events
> that are hosted by multiple groups, pooling their efforts to pull off
> truly spectacular events.
>
> Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they
> want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom
> Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards
> can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the
> Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band candy", or
> any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their
> group's expenses. :-)
>
> Yours in service,
> Michael Silverhands
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From Fitzmorgan at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 05:41:06 2003
From: Fitzmorgan at aol.com (Fitzmorgan at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:41:06 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <1ab.1907c33f.2c7374e2@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/18/2003 11:40:19 PM Central Standard Time, 
mtucker at airmail.net writes:


> Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they 
> want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom 
> Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards 
> can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the 
> Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band candy", or 
> any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their 
> group's expenses. :-)
> 
> Yours in service,
> Michael Silverhands
> 

       Which could lead to more events where there is no Court, and we can 
start the parties and the Bardic before Midnight.  

Robert


From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 06:05:25 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:05:25 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>;
	from gilli@hot.rr.com on Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:06:27PM -0500
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
	<000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030819080525.A22649@stardock.pug.net>

Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number of
> calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not seen
> anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a year
> while a Barony could do two.

Unfortunately I was at pennsic for our last business meeting where this
change would have been discussed so I wasn't aware of the change since I
didn't attend Red tape.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "If you don't worry 'bout the future
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   sooner or later it's the past
Dark Horde Moritu      |   And if they say the thrill is gone
pug at pug.net            |   then it's time to take it back" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From arabella at elfsea.net  Tue Aug 19 06:22:19 2003
From: arabella at elfsea.net (Lisa Duke)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:22:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c36617$8ea70fa0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c36654$eae70300$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>

Gilli said:

<snipped>
3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several a
year now.  And most groups don't do them.
4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third for
Baronies.
5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.


HL Arabella, past Kingdom Calendar Deputy here......

Nobody said they can't have the events.  Just that each group will have 1
less on the official Kingdom Calendar.  They can still have that event.
Just no awards can be given out that affect the Order of Precedence, no
armigerous awards.

It won't even affect a groups ability to advertise in the Black Star.  A
group can still pay the standard rate for their event announcement.  They
can still use the allowed free advertisement per year on the non-calendar
event if they wish.  Unless our wonderful chronicler makes a policy change.

An example... This is purely hypothetical.... If the Barony of the Steppes
chooses to make it's Steppes Artisan event off Calendar do you think that
will affect anything?  People will still attend, the B&B  can still give out
Baronial non-armigerous awards, there will still be the artisan competition,
and any other competition the barony wishes to hold.




From gn-white at tamu.edu  Tue Aug 19 06:25:56 2003
From: gn-white at tamu.edu (Norman White)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:25:56 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <sf41df18.014@ag.tamu.edu>

Greetings from Master Jin Liu Ch'ang,

I normally do not post to the list, preferring to be a lurker, but I felt the need to speak on this topic.
Gilli said that event limits are a bad thing because:
>Some groups don't have landed folks. 
I come from the Shire of the Shadowlands, one of the small groups that have trouble getting event dates.
We have no landed or even unlanded barons in our group.
Our group is within 150 miles of Stargate and its cantons, Ravensfort, Bryn Gwlad, and most other groups in the Southern and Coastal Regions.
As a group, you do not want to have an event the week before or after another close by group much less the same date so that cuts out most weekends. 
When you combine that with the fact that the community in which we are based, Bryan/College Station, has an enormous university (TAMU) that holds its own events that basically wreck traffic for many weekends, especially in the fall, we have experienced many problems getting dates for events.
Part of our problem with scheduling events is that we dare not try to schedule an event against an A&M football game, graduation, or other large college event.
But another problem is that our surrounding groups have felt the need to hold 3 to 4 events per year.
When there are approximately 10 groups nearby, combined with coronations and such, this does not leave many free weekends for us to have events.
Therefore, I am glad to hear that something is being done.

As for Gilli's reasons that the limit is a bad thing:
>1.    Reduces opportunities to get awards given to populace.

Most of the people in my group have either gotten their awards at other group's events or they got them from a visiting baron and baroness.
This occurred so often in our history that it resulted in Baron Don Tivar and Baroness Aethylean (I apologize if I misspelled their names) becoming the first persons to receive a Comet for service to a group in which they were not a resident.
Myself, I received my Iris and Laurel at Ravensfort events because our group was unable to get event dates during that period.
Therefore, his second objection:

>2.    Will increase court times. Instead of being able to have the awards
>given at several events during the year it will now be at only one for
>Shires and Cantons.

Courts have been too long for years.
The most objectionable reason for court length in my mind is the feeling by some people that they need to do presentations in court.
I feel that if you feel the need to do a presentation in court, you are doing it for the wrong reasons.
As for the ability to receive awards several times in the year, be happy to have an event to get them once. 
I also do not believe that holding only one event a year will hurt most people as far as getting awards as very few deserve more than one a year.
As for his third objection:

>3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several a
>year now.  And most groups don't do them.

Our last few events have had less than maybe a dozen people attend from outside the group because other groups were having bigger events.  In one case, we thought we had a chance to hold a well attended event but the Kingdom calendar changed and it resulted in Elfsea having an event opposite ours.

I have nothing to say about his fourth and fifth objections, except been there, gone through it for years.
>4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third for
>Baronies.
>5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.

As for his last statement:
>I hate to say it, but the reason the Kingdom calendar is too full is because
>the Kingdom is too big.  Now there is politically incorrect thought.

This may be true, but if you look at the calendars for other Kingdoms, you will find that very few of them have groups holding 3 and 4 events a year.

Gilli's last statement:
>I will email the Crown tomorrow.  It's too late tonight to do so
>effectively.  But item one above really bothers me.

Discussion on decisions such as this are always welcome but I remember Ulsted and Cateau when they were members of the Shire of the Shadowlands so I know they remember what it is like to be unable to get dates.

It must be nice to live where there are fewer surrounding groups and you can get event dates.

Jin Liu Ch'ang
m.k.a. Norman White
gn-white at tamu.edu



From nweders at mail.utexas.edu  Tue Aug 19 06:55:18 2003
From: nweders at mail.utexas.edu (Nancy Wederstrandt)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:55:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS
In-Reply-To: <200308191327.h7JDRDa29994@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030819083938.00b21850@mail.utexas.edu>

Greetings,

I have to agree with several of the written statements but I'd like to 
point out something.

Good events are well-attended whether or not they on on the calendar.  They 
need to be not cookie-cutter, non-boring events.  I won't go to something 
that all I do is sit and not have any exchange or things or interest.  I 
expect I will attend Steppes Artisan because I really enjoy the 
event.  It's an artisan event where it's low key, fun and I get to see 
people who rarely can travel or only make it to this event.

I agree with Michael - the quality has to improve.  I really enjoyed events 
like Maekloth, King Alfonzo's Tourney, Steppes Artisan, the Alexandrian 
Symposia.   Some of the best King's Colleges have been in small 
groups.  Look at Festival of Japan - It's a great even because it's unique.....

Keep in mind Regional events might be a good thing.  The smaller groups in 
a region could get together and hold one for the Region.

It is true that the Kingdom is getting larger.... It will eventually grow 
smaller as well.

Regards,

Clare



From YsfaelEleanor at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 07:16:06 2003
From: YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:16:06 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS
Message-ID: <ea.3cc7111a.2c738b26@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 9:01:12 AM Central Daylight Time, 
nweders at mail.utexas.edu writes:


> 
> Keep in mind Regional events might be a good thing.  The smaller groups in 
> a region could get together and hold one for the Region.
> 
> 

             As well as the fact that it might provide more cohesion within 
the regions, it is also true that an award for a person can be given at an 
event in an adjoining group or one that is across the Kingdom for that matter.  So 
opportunities to take care of court business are not so lost as at first it 
might appear. 

             Peace and Grace
             Ysfael 


From eirik at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 07:58:20 2003
From: eirik at hot.rr.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:58:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <000001c36662$59276cd0$1402a8c0@eirik>

> If you have any questions about this, you should contact the Kingdom 
> Seneschal (seneschal at ansteorra.org) or Their Majesties 
> (crown at ansteorra.org), or your local Baron and Baroness (who should 
> have heard about this first-hand at Round Table). Or raise 
> the subject 
> on Red Tape, as a couple of you have suggested.

First of all, why has no of this been told to those shires that don't
have landed nobles to inform them. As a shire member, I can tell you
that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups. The
baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind of
news to the shires, at least in my region. 
 
> Personally, I feel that this change is a Good Thing(tm), and should 
> encourage us to have fewer, but better, events. It should encourage 
> more groups to bid for kingdom events (such as King's College), which 
> often go begging for bids at present (or just don't get 
> held). (There's 
> a list of these events in Kingdom Law.) It should also 
> encourage events 
> that are hosted by multiple groups, pooling their efforts to pull off 
> truly spectacular events.

What about those groups that have one event a year and it is up against
a Steppes Warlord or it rains for several days and their site is not
usable. These groups would lose money on those events that wouldn't be
recoverable. Non-calender events are good for local stuff that local
folks want to attend, but don't have the draw of calender events. If you
have an event that the Crown attends, you will see a bigger attendance
rather than a non-calender event that no Kingdom business can occur at.
 
> Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they 
> want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom 
> Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards 
> can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the 
> Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band 
> candy", or 
> any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their 
> group's expenses. :-)

This won't keep weekends down to one event. There are 42 groups listed
in the Black Star. There are 52 weekends in the year. Six weekends are
taken up by Crown Tourneys, Coronations, and Round Table events. Four
weekends happen during Pennsic and Gulf wars. That leaves 42 weekends.
There are 65 calender events that can be held. There will still be
weekends that have two or more events during the year. Looking at the
unoffical calendar online for the next year there are less than 6
weekends that have more than two events. All this does in my opinion is
cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events given
to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow those
groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
functioning.

Eirik




From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 08:39:02 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000001c36662$59276cd0$1402a8c0@eirik>
References: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <3F41FE46.10954.328F86@localhost>

On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
<snip>
 All this does in my opinion
> is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
> second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow
> those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> functioning.
> 
> Eirik


Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at the next crown 
tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship tournament. I 
would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many interesting places to 
go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put together or staff since 
the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by someone on the 
kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That is a great chance to 
shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that might or might not 
have been well staffed. 

Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should be post 
Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember that 
Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to do was book a 
site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and running the list usually 
had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and Crown areas 
were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the events were 
already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it was at the request 
of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that was easy to 
coordinate. 

Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few if any bids 
to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event ahead of time. I 
suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other large group because 
it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute event. 

If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two and have 
volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything concrete you are half 
way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown. You can often 
reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full refund if you 
cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament and then 
cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still several months 
ahead. 

I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. So is time, so grab 
what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's event and make 
a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make the feast or serve 
the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a reviewing stand). 

Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful. 

Claire Shayhan


From cellach at breezykilt.com  Tue Aug 19 09:02:47 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:02:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <028701c3666b$57206320$1108a8c0@bobby>

Honestly, it doesn't look as though the calendar will clear up that much to
me.  People will still have to take a hard look at the multiple events that
are happening on a particular weekend and choose which one they wish to
attend.

Also, the loss of income is an issue.  For the larger Baronies, it's not
such a concern.  They have events that host several hundred people and can
fill their group's coffers at a single event.  Often, for the smaller
groups, there is no hugely attended event to cover the entire year's
expenditures.  Although not terribly likely, what if a small group's event
is washed out the day before?  What if something unforseen happens and the
event must be cancelled?  That group will now have NO substantial income for
the entire year.  It my be rare that it happens, but, it could, conceivably,
result in the folding of a local group.

I'm a member of Namron; a large, healthy and strong Barony!  Not everyone
has this amazing opportunity.  Why penalize the smaller groups?  They desire
and, frankly, need the means to grow and expand.  Limiting the opportunities
for smaller groups in order to make it easier to choose which of the large,
long standing events we will attend is beneficial to a scant few.

We have a large, vibrant and healthy Kingdom.  Let's celebrate that rather
than limit it.

Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Greetings and Hi There,
>
> I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
> calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't
heard
> any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
>
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From hellbilly_tx at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 09:19:23 2003
From: hellbilly_tx at yahoo.com (Zach)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:19:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [TY] ARMOR SHOP LOOTED/ MEMPHIS,TN AREA
In-Reply-To: <019c01c36595$597554e0$d02afea9@gateway>
Message-ID: <20030819161923.18445.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com>


I am crawling the pages of ebay all the time looking at armor just to get ideas.  I probably look at ebay every other day.  Please send me the pictures of the armor and I will keep a look out for them.  If I see what looks like a match I will email you.

 
Nickolai Vatavia

David Backlin <edrei at earthlink.net> wrote:
----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: 


> This is a member of Shadow Legion. Keep a lookout for this stuff and
> crosspost freely!
>
> Duchess Ilissa
> Meridies
> ******************************************************
> Subj: [Shadow_Legion] Talan's shop was robbed. ARMOUR MISSING! Please
> read!
> Date: 08/18/2003 8:51:02 AM Central Daylight Time
> From: GypsyJade at UReach.com (Kali)
> To: shadow_legion at yahoogroups.com
>
> Hi Guys,
> Talan's shop was broken into between Saturday night & today. He
> lost all of his tools - a Stanley four drawer tool box full of
> all of the tools that he needs in order to do his job. Hundreds
> of dollars worth of sockets, hand tools, and everything under
> the sun is GONE.
>
> To make this even worse, the idiots grabbed the armour bag
> also.
>
> Talan has very very distinctive armour.
> His face helm gets quite a few comments wherever he goes. It
> has a tongue sticking out that is pierced. The arms & legs are
> splinted and very nicely done. The kidney belt is a large
> leather piece that is banded with plates & has half moon shapes
> & a small shield on the back. The belt is studded with little
> rivets all along the outside edge. Everything (& I mean
> everything) was taken. This is a custom set of armour that
> would cost someone thousands of dollars to replace.
>
> While I do not suspect that someone within society took the
> armour, I can't help thinking that it may show up either at an
> event or on eBay.
>
> Also, I have pictures of his armour if anyone would like to see
> them.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
> Please forward this on to every SCA list on which you are a
> member. I really want to get the word out there.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kali, who is shaking so hard that she does not know what to do
>



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From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 10:34:15 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:34:15 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <200308191700.h7JH04a32535@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEECEGADEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Several posts said things along the lines of:
>Also, the loss of income is an issue.  For
>the larger Baronies, it's not such a concern.
>They have events that host several hundred
>people and can fill their group's coffers
>at a single event.  Often, for the smaller
>groups, there is no hugely attended event to
>cover the entire year's expenditures.
>Although not terribly likely, what if a
>small group's event is washed out the day
>before?  What if something unforseen happens
>and the event must be cancelled?  That group
>will now have NO substantial income for
>the entire year.  It my be rare that it happens,
>but, it could, conceivably,
>result in the folding of a local group.

My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the sky
is falling in!"

The reason why I say that is that the SCA, and more especially, individual
groups, including baronies, didn't used to have the astronomical bank
accounts we now have and take for granted.

I recall many years ago in Bjornsborg when we passed the hat at our baronial
meeting in order to raise enough "front money" to do an event, and then we
counted upon the gate receipts to cover the expenses. I also recall when
having $35.00 (not three hundred and fifty, or three and a half thousand)
was what we considered a propsperous bank account.

Amazing as it seems today for groups that are used to just writing
several-hundred-dollar checks for event expenses, it is in fact possible to
go out, really check out your local community, drum up donations for bread
and other food, meeting spaces, event locations and so forth.

I'll certainly agree that having a fat wallet makes all this easier, but it
is not essential.  And, in fact, if you have to go out and canvass local
businesses looking for one or two who will make a donation to write off on
their taxes in order to be able to put on an event, there is a second
positive effect and that is that many people get exposed to the whole idea
of the SCA that would not otherwise have known about it, and this can be
useful in terms of community relations, membership, etc.

Unless we end up with a limitaion of no more than *one* event per weekend in
the kingdom, there are going to be conflicts.  That's the way it is.  I
suspect that small groups are in fact harmed more than helped by having
multiple events each year, because you still have other events sucking off
your attendance no matter how many you put on, but I don't *know* that for
sure.

Whether or not that's the case, when there were fewer groups and fewer
events in the kingdom (back when rocks were soft), I think each event *felt*
more special. We had fewer chances to see our friends and to play the game
that is so obviously special to us.  I can see a couple of ways to get back
to that: limiting events so there are no conflicts at all; splitting up into
two or more smaller kingdoms; and probably many others.

What Ansteorrans as a group need to decide is:  "why do we hold events?"  --
if it's just to make money to so that we can hold more events later, then
we're rats on a treadmill.  If the reason is to create really cool places
and occasions in which we can, if only for a few minutes, enjoy sharing
knowledge and our imaginations, then I would suggest that we need to
investigate how we can get to more quality, if less quantity.

I urge the folks who have a knee-jerk reaction that "less events means I
and/or my group are discriminated against" to really look at the total
attendance at your groups events over the last 5 years.  Are they going up?
Going down?  How about attendance at *all* events for a year, over a 5-year
period?  Before you start trying to fix it, see if it in fact broke.  Next
step is to figure out, if your attendance is down, then *why* exactly is it
down?  Can you prove it was a conflicting event? Or was it that your event
was too lackluster to draw more people?  Or you had a catastrophic disaster
(floods, for example) that prevented attendance?  We *have* to look at all
those factors.  The SCA now *does* have more money per group than we used
to.  If were were for-profit businesses, we'd be stupid not to look at what
our customers wanted, and why business was not growing vs. declining.
Guessing is worthless, and the only vote that counts is how many customers
pay you to attend your event.

::GUNNVOR::



From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 10:48:15 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:48:15 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>

I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on Kingdom 
events.
The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor in the central region bid on Crown Tournament 
in October. We never thought we had a chance. Low and behold our small 
canton will be hosting the event.

If you do not put in a bid. You cannot win it. Don?t think you are too small 
to try. This will be a whole new experience for us to learn from, and I for 
one am excited about it.

Just my two cents.
Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor



>From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
>Reply-To: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc." 
><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
>
>On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
><snip>
>  All this does in my opinion
> > is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
> > second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> > the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> > given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow
> > those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> > functioning.
> >
> > Eirik
>
>
>Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at the 
>next crown
>tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship 
>tournament. I
>would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many 
>interesting places to
>go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put together 
>or staff since
>the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by someone 
>on the
>kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That is a 
>great chance to
>shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that 
>might or might not
>have been well staffed.
>
>Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should be 
>post
>Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember 
>that
>Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to do 
>was book a
>site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and running 
>the list usually
>had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and 
>Crown areas
>were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the events 
>were
>already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it was at 
>the request
>of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that was 
>easy to
>coordinate.
>
>Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few if 
>any bids
>to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event ahead 
>of time. I
>suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other large 
>group because
>it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute event.
>
>If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two and 
>have
>volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything 
>concrete you are half
>way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown. You 
>can often
>reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full 
>refund if you
>cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament and 
>then
>cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still 
>several months
>ahead.
>
>I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. So 
>is time, so grab
>what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's 
>event and make
>a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make the 
>feast or serve
>the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a 
>reviewing stand).
>
>Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful.
>
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From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 11:01:57 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:01:57 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <Law11-F26xtql2IaPfi00064b6f@hotmail.com>

Just an FYI.

When we (The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor) were told of this change (by the 
seneschal of Elfsea) a date and time for the change was unknown as of yet. 
We are waiting to see if it will go into effect in 2004 or 2005. Many of us 
already have our events on the calendar for 2004 so we just have to wait and 
see what happens.

Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor


>From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:09:25 -0500
>
>So since it is "proposed" there is still room for some discussion on it?
>
>Gilli
>Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <ThoraOdottir at aol.com>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> > There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies
>will
> > be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event
>per
> > year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can 
>be
>no
> > new court business conducted at the unofficial events.
> >
> > This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some
>hard
> > decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to
>save
> > the ones we enjoy through co-operation.
> >
> > Thora Olafsdottir
> > DFT
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From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 13:12:50 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:12:50 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
In-Reply-To: <ea.3cc7111a.2c738b26@aol.com>;
	from YsfaelEleanor@aol.com on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 10:16:06AM
	-0400
References: <ea.3cc7111a.2c738b26@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030819151250.B26218@stardock.pug.net>

YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor at aol.com) said something that sounded like:
> it is also true that an award for a person can be given at an 
> event in an adjoining group or one that is across the Kingdom for that matter

That is definitely true. Apparently I received a King's Archer at
Academy of the Bow but I was unable to present at the event. The award
was read into Law at that event and I was given it later. The later
happened to be Pennsic.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "If you want my views of history
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   then there is something you should know.
Dark Horde Moritu      |   The three men I admire the most are
pug at pug.net            |   Curly, Larry and Moe!" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 13:19:19 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:19:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>;
	from lady_pict2@hotmail.com on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 05:48:15PM
	+0000
References: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030819151919.C26218@stardock.pug.net>

Miss Pict (lady_pict2 at hotmail.com) said something that sounded like:
> I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on Kingdom 
> events.

I'd also like to point out that it means I'd be *more* likely to attend
a smaller groups event than I am now when there are fewer events on the
calendar to have to choose from.

Btw, I'd also like to encourage the Crown to hold Circles at the smaller
group events instead of the already jam packed large events. When you
start dreading going to events because of all the "business" being done,
you start thinking about if you really want to go to it. Spread the
wealth out more.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "And I ain't in it for the power
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   And I ain't in it for my health
Dark Horde Moritu      |   I ain't in it for the glory of anything at all
pug at pug.net            |   And I sure ain't in it for the wealth" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From mtucker at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 14:34:08 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:34:08 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000001c36662$59276cd0$1402a8c0@eirik>
Message-ID: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>

On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 09:58  AM, Ron wrote:
> First of all, why has no of this been told to those shires that don't
> have landed nobles to inform them.

One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire 
in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand? 
Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the 
regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending 
change?"

*Most* of the groups in the kingdom don't have landed nobles to inform 
them. That doesn't make them the downtrodden minority, it makes them 
the majority of groups.

Speaking as a former officer of  the kingdom, I assure you that the 
shires, cantons and colleges are given plenty of consideration at the 
kingdom level. But, it has to be a two-way street. The shire's officers 
have to care enough to attend meetings when they're called, bring news 
back from those meetings and share it with their fellow officers and 
populace.

> As a shire member, I can tell you
> that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups. The
> baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind of
> news to the shires, at least in my region.
>

Is it our neighbor Meridies' problem to keep Ansteorra informed of 
changes made by the BoD? No. It's Ansteorra's problem to stay informed, 
all on her own.

It's not the barony's problem to inform you. It's *your* problem to 
stay informed. Or, failing that, it's your up-line officers (regional 
and kingdom) to see that you are informed of changes.

> ... The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events given
> to shires and cantons if this goes into effect.
> ...
> That would allow those
> groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> functioning.
>
> Eirik

I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you 
don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.

I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather 
have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than 
have 3 bland "formula" events.

The research was done years ago to determine that we needed fewer, 
better, events. The Crown and Kingdom Seneschal suggested that groups 
head in that direction. Very few listened. Modest limits were put in 
place. Still, very few listened. We're about to see stronger limits put 
in place.

I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do 
something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal 
to impose those limits in the first place.

Yours,
Michael Silverhands



From PKieferjr at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 14:59:22 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:59:22 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <36.465a5ba7.2c73f7ba@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 4:34:50 PM Central Daylight Time, 
mtucker at airmail.net writes:

> I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do 
> something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal 
> to impose those limits in the first place.
> 
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands
> 

So, let's see if I get this straight:  As an analogy, we're like a business 
in Chapter 11 that has to reorganize itself into a leaner, meaner business in 
order to survive, which means that we have to sacrifice something along the 
way.  Would this be correct?

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)  (Seriously considering 
reviving the "principality" dead horse.)


From eirik at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 15:13:06 2003
From: eirik at hot.rr.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:13:06 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <004301c3669f$13f28540$1402a8c0@eirik>

> > First of all, why has no of this been told to those shires 
> that don't 
> > have landed nobles to inform them.
> 
> One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from 
> your shire 
> in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand? 
> Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the 
> regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending 
> change?"

I was at Round Table and was in the GOoFs meeting. Apparently this was
announced in the meeting that was restricted to the Landed
Baron/Baronesses. Kinda hard for someone from a group that doesn't have
a Landed Baron/Baroness to find out about it.

Eirik




From mama_mac at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 15:24:49 2003
From: mama_mac at airmail.net (Donna Wallis)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:24:49 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <002001c366a0$b67aaf80$110988cf@donna>

>Michael Silverhands wrote:
>
>One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire
>in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand?
>Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the
>regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending
>change?"


I was at King's Round Table and do not believe this was discussed in any
open session. As I understand it was discussed at the meeting the Crown
had with the Landed Nobles. Our Canton was informed by our Barony of the
changes that would be coming soon.

So Shires were left out unless the Crown or a Landed Noble contacted
them at King's Round Table .  I don't know if the Regional or Kingdom
Seneschal contacted them about the changes.


Dana Mac an Ghabhann
Loch Ruadh REALLY  ROCKS!!!




From mtucker at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 15:30:51 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:30:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <36.465a5ba7.2c73f7ba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C9E20AAF-D294-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 04:59  PM, PKieferjr at aol.com wrote:
>> I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do
>> something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and 
>> Seneschal
>> to impose those limits in the first place.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Michael Silverhands
>>
>
> So, let's see if I get this straight:  As an analogy, we're like a 
> business
> in Chapter 11 that has to reorganize itself into a leaner, meaner 
> business in
> order to survive, which means that we have to sacrifice something 
> along the
> way.  Would this be correct?
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)  (Seriously considering
> reviving the "principality" dead horse.)
>

I disagree with your analogy of a business in Chapter 11. We aren't 
"going down the tubes" financially, as your analogy implies. On the 
contrary, as Mistress Gunnvor and others have posted, we are blessed 
with good fortune (perhaps too much). We have more groups than ever 
before in our history; most groups have more money in their bank 
accounts than ever before. I think that you're missing the point.

I think that I could restate what's been said (by me and others) as: 
"We have a run-away condition of too many low-margin, low-attendance, 
cookie-cutter tiny-tourneys on the calendar; yet high-profile kingdom 
events go begging for bids. Therefore we need to limit the number of 
on-calendar events, to encourage groups to hold better, fewer events."

How did you get from that, to "seriously considering reviving the 
"principality" dead horse"? True, each piece of a divided kingdom would 
have fewer events on its calendar; we have somewhat that situation 
already, with the kingdom calendar deputy charged to prevent 
conflicting events within each region. But will that solve the 
over-riding problem (as restated above)? I don't think so. Limiting 
events by region hasn't helped to unclutter the calendar or improve the 
quality of our events, so how would dividing the kingdom help?

Yours,
Michael Silverhands



From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 19 15:28:22 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:28:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Quoting Michael Tucker <mtucker at airmail.net>:

> One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire
> in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand? 
> Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the 
> regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending 
> change?"

Of course, one might ask why all the pelicans, knights, laurels, white scarves, 
centurians, etc don't all attend the various circles.  We don't even have all 
of any of these groups attend even if the circle is local.<G>

True, the seneschals should have been informed by either the kingdom seneschal 
or their regional and then, in turn, inform their own populace.  Evidently this 
isn't the case with every group.

> 
> *Most* of the groups in the kingdom don't have landed nobles to inform
> 
> them. That doesn't make them the downtrodden minority, it makes them 
> the majority of groups.
> 
> Speaking as a former officer of  the kingdom, I assure you that the 
> shires, cantons and colleges are given plenty of consideration at the 
> kingdom level. But, it has to be a two-way street. The shire's officers
> have to care enough to attend meetings when they're called, bring news
> back from those meetings and share it with their fellow officers and 
> populace.

Again, were the all the seneschals in the kingdom required to be at Round Table 
or send a representative?  If so, then there's no excuse.  If not, then it 
falls back to being informed by kingdom or regional level.

> 
> > As a shire member, I can tell you
> > that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups.
> The
> > baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind
> of
> > news to the shires, at least in my region.
> >
> 
> Is it our neighbor Meridies' problem to keep Ansteorra informed of 
> changes made by the BoD? No. It's Ansteorra's problem to stay informed,
> all on her own.

At least the BOD announces the changes they are contemplating (to a certain 
extent) if it's going to affect the populace in general.  And perhaps the Crown 
or the kingdom seneschal will have just such an announcement in a future Black 
Star.  Hopefully that's the case as it seems that there is a fair amount of 
resistance to such a change.

> 
> It's not the barony's problem to inform you. It's *your* problem to 
> stay informed. Or, failing that, it's your up-line officers (regional 
> and kingdom) to see that you are informed of changes.
> 
<snip>

> I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you 
> don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.
> 
> I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather
> 
> have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than 
> have 3 bland "formula" events.
> 
> The research was done years ago to determine that we needed fewer, 
> better, events. The Crown and Kingdom Seneschal suggested that groups 
> head in that direction. Very few listened. Modest limits were put in 
> place. Still, very few listened. We're about to see stronger limits put
> 
> in place.
> 
> I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do 
> something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal
> 
> to impose those limits in the first place.
> 
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands

Has the problem been brought to the people?

And just what is the problem?  I've been hearing for years that the calendar is 
too crowded.  Everytime I hear that, I check the calendar and actually run the 
numbers.  It makes me wonder just what certain people consider "crowded".

For instance, if you were to look at the current 12 months (Aug '03 to July '04)
of the kindom calendar on line, you will find :

There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events per 
weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)

If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled (Christmas, 
Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings the 
number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)

The breakdown is :

25 weekends with only 1 event
14 weekends with 2 events
4 weekends with 3 events
1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.

This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled have 3 
or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with events 
scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an event 
or 2.

Also something that people don't tend to mention when they say the calendar is 
too crowded is that, in addition to the current group limitations, there is 
also a regional limitation (no more than 1 per region per weekend) and a 
distance limitation (not sure where the mileage between events has to be, but 
I'm sure HL Gwenneth Blackrose can tell us).  Yes, these limitations can be 
waived, but it's not often that they are.

So I guess my whole question is "What is the problem?".  It doesn't appear that 
the current system is broken, so as the old saying goes "If it ain't broke, 
don't fix it."  Improvements are one thing, but I don't see as whole these new 
limitations will improve things appreciably.

Ansgar



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From arabella at elfsea.net  Tue Aug 19 15:33:49 2003
From: arabella at elfsea.net (Lisa Duke)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:33:49 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030819151919.C26218@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <000601c366a1$f60079e0$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>

HL Arabella here:

Pug said.........
When you
start dreading going to events because of all the "business" being done,
you start thinking about if you really want to go to it. Spread the
wealth out more.

Ciao,

--
Phelim "Pug" Gervase

Be very careful what you say Master Pug.  Why should you dread going to an
event because of "business being done"?  The peers of this realm don't have
to.   You know there is a meeting happening twice a year set aside for
nothing but business.  It's already on the Calendar.  It even had a name
change recently.  At the last one, Their Majesties were in their finest
Royal wardrobe to conduct official Royal business.

Be very careful what you wish for, It might come true.

HL Arabella de Montacute
"Never pass up an opportunity to say nothing.  If you need to say something
do it in private."
Foster Prot?g? to Sir Pendaran Glamorgan




From mtucker at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 15:40:17 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:40:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <004301c3669f$13f28540$1402a8c0@eirik>
Message-ID: <1B548FD1-D296-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>

> I was at Round Table and was in the GOoFs meeting. Apparently this was
> announced in the meeting that was restricted to the Landed
> Baron/Baronesses. ...
>
> Eirik
>

> I was at King's Round Table and do not believe this was discussed in 
> any
> open session. As I understand it was discussed at the meeting the Crown
> had with the Landed Nobles. ...
>
> Dana Mac an Ghabhann
> Loch Ruadh REALLY  ROCKS!!!
>

D'oh!

Michael Silverhands

p.s. in that case, I would think that the seneschalate should have 
promptly disseminated this information to the rest of the kingdom. But, 
a) I wasn't there, and b) I don't know what they did or didn't do or 
why, so c) I'll be quiet now. :-P



From Fitzmorgan at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 16:12:31 2003
From: Fitzmorgan at aol.com (Fitzmorgan at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:12:31 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <137.23dbe475.2c7408df@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 5:32:43 PM Central Standard Time, 
mama_mac at airmail.net writes:


> I was at King's Round Table and do not believe this was discussed in any
> open session. As I understand it was discussed at the meeting the Crown
> had with the Landed Nobles. Our Canton was informed by our Barony of the
> changes that would be coming soon.
> 
> So Shires were left out unless the Crown or a Landed Noble contacted
> them at King's Round Table .  I don't know if the Regional or Kingdom
> Seneschal contacted them about the changes.
> 
> 
      I was at Round Table.  I wasn't told about it.  I heard about it from 
someone who heard about it from someone in the B & B meeting.   At this point 
still third-hand rumor for all I know.  I assume it's true because no one is on 
here denying it.

Robert Fitzmorgan
Northern Regional Seneschal


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 16:13:22 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:13:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c366a7$7ca58620$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

My understanding is that the Tor was the only one that bid on it.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miss Pict" <lady_pict2 at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on
Kingdom
> events.
> The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor in the central region bid on Crown
Tournament
> in October. We never thought we had a chance. Low and behold our small
> canton will be hosting the event.
>
> If you do not put in a bid. You cannot win it. Don't think you are too
small
> to try. This will be a whole new experience for us to learn from, and I
for
> one am excited about it.
>
> Just my two cents.
> Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor
>
>
>
> >From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
> ><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
> >
> >On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
> ><snip>
> >  All this does in my opinion
> > > is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
> > > second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> > > the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> > > given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow
> > > those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> > > functioning.
> > >
> > > Eirik
> >
> >
> >Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at
the
> >next crown
> >tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship
> >tournament. I
> >would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many
> >interesting places to
> >go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put together
> >or staff since
> >the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by
someone
> >on the
> >kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That is
a
> >great chance to
> >shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that
> >might or might not
> >have been well staffed.
> >
> >Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should
be
> >post
> >Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember
> >that
> >Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to do
> >was book a
> >site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and
running
> >the list usually
> >had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and
> >Crown areas
> >were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the events
> >were
> >already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it was
at
> >the request
> >of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that
was
> >easy to
> >coordinate.
> >
> >Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few if
> >any bids
> >to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event
ahead
> >of time. I
> >suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other
large
> >group because
> >it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute event.
> >
> >If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two
and
> >have
> >volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything
> >concrete you are half
> >way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown.
You
> >can often
> >reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full
> >refund if you
> >cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament and
> >then
> >cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still
> >several months
> >ahead.
> >
> >I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. So
> >is time, so grab
> >what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's
> >event and make
> >a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make
the
> >feast or serve
> >the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a
> >reviewing stand).
> >
> >Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful.
> >
> >Claire Shayhan
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 16:21:09 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:21:09 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
	<1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <003301c366a8$93bd4720$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Thank you very much for those numbers.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Quoting Michael Tucker <mtucker at airmail.net>:
>
> > One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire
> > in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand?
> > Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the
> > regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending
> > change?"
>
> Of course, one might ask why all the pelicans, knights, laurels, white
scarves,
> centurians, etc don't all attend the various circles.  We don't even have
all
> of any of these groups attend even if the circle is local.<G>
>
> True, the seneschals should have been informed by either the kingdom
seneschal
> or their regional and then, in turn, inform their own populace.  Evidently
this
> isn't the case with every group.
>
> >
> > *Most* of the groups in the kingdom don't have landed nobles to inform
> >
> > them. That doesn't make them the downtrodden minority, it makes them
> > the majority of groups.
> >
> > Speaking as a former officer of  the kingdom, I assure you that the
> > shires, cantons and colleges are given plenty of consideration at the
> > kingdom level. But, it has to be a two-way street. The shire's officers
> > have to care enough to attend meetings when they're called, bring news
> > back from those meetings and share it with their fellow officers and
> > populace.
>
> Again, were the all the seneschals in the kingdom required to be at Round
Table
> or send a representative?  If so, then there's no excuse.  If not, then it
> falls back to being informed by kingdom or regional level.
>
> >
> > > As a shire member, I can tell you
> > > that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups.
> > The
> > > baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind
> > of
> > > news to the shires, at least in my region.
> > >
> >
> > Is it our neighbor Meridies' problem to keep Ansteorra informed of
> > changes made by the BoD? No. It's Ansteorra's problem to stay informed,
> > all on her own.
>
> At least the BOD announces the changes they are contemplating (to a
certain
> extent) if it's going to affect the populace in general.  And perhaps the
Crown
> or the kingdom seneschal will have just such an announcement in a future
Black
> Star.  Hopefully that's the case as it seems that there is a fair amount
of
> resistance to such a change.
>
> >
> > It's not the barony's problem to inform you. It's *your* problem to
> > stay informed. Or, failing that, it's your up-line officers (regional
> > and kingdom) to see that you are informed of changes.
> >
> <snip>
>
> > I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you
> > don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.
> >
> > I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather
> >
> > have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than
> > have 3 bland "formula" events.
> >
> > The research was done years ago to determine that we needed fewer,
> > better, events. The Crown and Kingdom Seneschal suggested that groups
> > head in that direction. Very few listened. Modest limits were put in
> > place. Still, very few listened. We're about to see stronger limits put
> >
> > in place.
> >
> > I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do
> > something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal
> >
> > to impose those limits in the first place.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Michael Silverhands
>
> Has the problem been brought to the people?
>
> And just what is the problem?  I've been hearing for years that the
calendar is
> too crowded.  Everytime I hear that, I check the calendar and actually run
the
> numbers.  It makes me wonder just what certain people consider "crowded".
>
> For instance, if you were to look at the current 12 months (Aug '03 to
July '04)
> of the kindom calendar on line, you will find :
>
> There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events
per
> weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)
>
> If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
(Christmas,
> Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings
the
> number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
>
> The breakdown is :
>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
> This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
have 3
> or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
events
> scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
event
> or 2.
>
> Also something that people don't tend to mention when they say the
calendar is
> too crowded is that, in addition to the current group limitations, there
is
> also a regional limitation (no more than 1 per region per weekend) and a
> distance limitation (not sure where the mileage between events has to be,
but
> I'm sure HL Gwenneth Blackrose can tell us).  Yes, these limitations can
be
> waived, but it's not often that they are.
>
> So I guess my whole question is "What is the problem?".  It doesn't appear
that
> the current system is broken, so as the old saying goes "If it ain't
broke,
> don't fix it."  Improvements are one thing, but I don't see as whole these
new
> limitations will improve things appreciably.
>
> Ansgar
>
>
>
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From celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 16:33:23 2003
From: celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com (Mark Masters)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:33:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs
Message-ID: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>

Once a few years back at an event for the Barony of the Lonely Tower ( 
Omaha, Nebraska ).  I had seen a two piece chair they called a Viking 
Traveling Chair.  It came in two parts, the seat part would slide into a 
grove into the chair back part.  It would then lean back some so that one 
could sit at almost a recline position.  I am just trying to see if any one 
has any pics or blue prints on how to make them.  I have tried looking on 
the net & have not found what I am looking for.  So any help from any one 
would be greatly appreiciated.  Thank you one & all...

In Service to the Dream
Lord Morgan Lucktain
A & S Officer or Barony Bordermarch
Quartermaster of the Pyrate Shiphold Posiedons' Fury

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From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 16:36:39 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:36:39 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000601c366a1$f60079e0$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>;
	from arabella@elfsea.net on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 05:33:49PM -0500
References: <20030819151919.C26218@stardock.pug.net>
	<000601c366a1$f60079e0$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>
Message-ID: <20030819183639.A30079@stardock.pug.net>

Lisa Duke (arabella at elfsea.net) said something that sounded like:
> Be very careful what you say Master Pug.  Why should you dread going to an
> event because of "business being done"?

  Because of the old motto.

When you stop having fun, stop doing it.

  The Peers of the Realm do a lot more "business" than what is seen at
  the King's Round Table. There is more "business" to the game of the
  SCA than what the officers do. Just ask the Laurels about judging
  sometime.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "And I ain't in it for the power
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   And I ain't in it for my health
Dark Horde Moritu      |   I ain't in it for the glory of anything at all
pug at pug.net            |   And I sure ain't in it for the wealth" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 16:39:00 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:39:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Coastal] Vivking Chairs
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>;
	from celtic_chaos75@hotmail.com on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at
	06:33:23PM -0500
References: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030819183900.B30079@stardock.pug.net>

Mark Masters (celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com) said something that sounded like:
> Once a few years back at an event for the Barony of the Lonely Tower ( 
> Omaha, Nebraska ).  I had seen a two piece chair they called a Viking 
> Traveling Chair.  It came in two parts, the seat part would slide into a 
> grove into the chair back part.  It would then lean back some so that one 
> could sit at almost a recline position.  I am just trying to see if any one 
> has any pics or blue prints on how to make them.  I have tried looking on 
> the net & have not found what I am looking for.  So any help from any one 
> would be greatly appreiciated.  Thank you one & all...

http://www.currentmiddleages.org/tents/chair4stargazer.pdf

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "What about your friends?
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   They're Defective!
Dark Horde Moritu      |   All the parts are out of stock."
pug at pug.net            |   --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From Ldyinnes at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 16:49:59 2003
From: Ldyinnes at aol.com (Ldyinnes at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:49:59 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs
Message-ID: <16.3419b6a3.2c7411a7@aol.com>

Check out the Known World Handbook.

innes


From uther at lcc.net  Tue Aug 19 17:00:14 2003
From: uther at lcc.net (mike young)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:00:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
	<1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <01c901c366ae$091d1770$982222d1@theparents>


>
>>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
> This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
have 3
> or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
events
> scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
event
> or 2.
>
> Also something that people don't tend to mention when they say the
calendar is
> too crowded is that, in addition to the current group limitations, there
is
> also a regional limitation (no more than 1 per region per weekend) and a
> distance limitation (not sure where the mileage between events has to be,
but
> I'm sure HL Gwenneth Blackrose can tell us).  Yes, these limitations can
be
> waived, but it's not often that they are.


150 miles
Don't forget that 4 weekends a year are reserved for crown and coronation.

gwyneth

>
> So I guess my whole question is "What is the problem?".  It doesn't appear
that
> the current system is broken, so as the old saying goes "If it ain't
broke,
> don't fix it."  Improvements are one thing, but I don't see as whole these
new
> limitations will improve things appreciably.
>
> Ansgar
>
>
>
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>



From agillilan at swbell.net  Tue Aug 19 17:14:50 2003
From: agillilan at swbell.net (April Gillilan)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:14:50 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
In-Reply-To: <20030819151250.B26218@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <005501c366b0$12f63b30$6401a8c0@PORTEGE>

This is definitely true.  It doesn't matter what the event is, you can
recommend people who will be there for awards, whether they are from the
sponsoring group or not.

I asked the OP gurus in our shire, and from January 2002-now, 13 people in
out shire have received 16 awards in that time frame.  Only 4 awards were
given out at our group's event.

Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do not
recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.  Anytime
a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in award
recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It doesn't
matter that it's not "our" event.

Gilyan
Shire of Mooneschadowe



> YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor at aol.com) said something that sounded
> like:
> > it is also true that an award for a person can be given at an
> > event in an adjoining group or one that is across the Kingdom for that
> matter
> 
> That is definitely true. Apparently I received a King's Archer at
> Academy of the Bow but I was unable to present at the event. The award
> was read into Law at that event and I was given it later. The later
> happened to be Pennsic.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> --
> Phelim "Pug" Gervase

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From DonPieter at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 17:16:48 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:16:48 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Non-calender courts
Message-ID: <27.4665326e.2c7417f0@aol.com>

To tell the truth the fewer events per group thing doesn't bother me as much 
as some others BUT.... there is one thing that is. If non-calender events such 
as local yule revels can not give out awards that carry an AoA. Many baronys 
have local awards (atleast one) that carrys with it an AoA. Small local events 
are a great time to give out such awards because when you are at an event 
with mostly people from the local area it meens alot to the group. Giving local 
awards at large events where lots of people are out of towners isn't as 
special. So thats my opinion as if anyone wanted it.

Don Pieter Rausch


From DonPieter at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 17:18:37 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:18:37 EDT
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
Message-ID: <28.3c64a3db.2c74185d@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time, 
agillilan at swbell.net writes:

> 
> Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do not
> recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.  Anytime
> a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in award
> recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It doesn't
> matter that it's not "our" event.
> 
> Gilyan
> Shire of Mooneschadowe
> 

True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what about 
the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any event.
Pieter


From snorri at houston.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 17:32:58 2003
From: snorri at houston.rr.com (Snorri Hallsson)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:32:58 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
References: <17d.1f41e959.2c72ebb7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101c366b2$9b542260$c2fea8c0@steven>

Mistress Kat brought this up ...
> I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our
recent
>  meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per
year
> *including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event per
year.

Just out of curiosity, I know that each barony in Ansteorra has one
perpetual event date, a set weekend every year that a barony has reserved on
the calendar per Kingdom law.  My question is, why was this established?
What was the reasoning for creating PEDs for baronies but not shires,
cantons, etc. when this law was passed?  (Responders, act like I don't know
anything, ask my wife, it's real easy to do.)


Lord Snorri Hallsson



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 17:38:05 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:38:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <sf41df18.014@ag.tamu.edu>
Message-ID: <00a601c366b3$527feb40$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Please don't forget, Middleford is pretty close to the center of the
Kingdom.  We too are within 150 miles of a good number of groups.  And if
you expand that mileage just a little, say a 4 hour drive, my, my.

While some groups may be maxed out on what awards their populace can get,
others aren't.  Some groups even have population that rotate in and out on a
more or less regular base.  Examples of those groups are those near military
basese, like Middleford and Namron, and all those groups with colleges.
There's a bunch of these so I'm not going to even try to list them.

Groups such as yours and ours have there scheduling challenges.  Military
deployment, training exercises, Boy Scout events and Wicken Weekends just
give us opportunities to excell.  Thre are certain time of the year because
of my working as a civilian contractor on Fort Hood, I'm pretty much a write
off, like the month of August.

AS for being able to get dates on the calendar, well...have you heard of the
5Ps? Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance. : If one waits to within 4
months of when they want to do an event, yep, it might be a little tight.
Right now, we're just waiting for the calendar to progress a little further
so we can put in a request for War Chieftain 2005.

Gilli

Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman White" <gn-white at tamu.edu>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Greetings from Master Jin Liu Ch'ang,
>
> I normally do not post to the list, preferring to be a lurker, but I felt
the need to speak on this topic.
> Gilli said that event limits are a bad thing because:
> >Some groups don't have landed folks.
> I come from the Shire of the Shadowlands, one of the small groups that
have trouble getting event dates.
> We have no landed or even unlanded barons in our group.
> Our group is within 150 miles of Stargate and its cantons, Ravensfort,
Bryn Gwlad, and most other groups in the Southern and Coastal Regions.
> As a group, you do not want to have an event the week before or after
another close by group much less the same date so that cuts out most
weekends.
> When you combine that with the fact that the community in which we are
based, Bryan/College Station, has an enormous university (TAMU) that holds
its own events that basically wreck traffic for many weekends, especially in
the fall, we have experienced many problems getting dates for events.
> Part of our problem with scheduling events is that we dare not try to
schedule an event against an A&M football game, graduation, or other large
college event.
> But another problem is that our surrounding groups have felt the need to
hold 3 to 4 events per year.
> When there are approximately 10 groups nearby, combined with coronations
and such, this does not leave many free weekends for us to have events.
> Therefore, I am glad to hear that something is being done.
>
> As for Gilli's reasons that the limit is a bad thing:
> >1.    Reduces opportunities to get awards given to populace.
>
> Most of the people in my group have either gotten their awards at other
group's events or they got them from a visiting baron and baroness.
> This occurred so often in our history that it resulted in Baron Don Tivar
and Baroness Aethylean (I apologize if I misspelled their names) becoming
the first persons to receive a Comet for service to a group in which they
were not a resident.
> Myself, I received my Iris and Laurel at Ravensfort events because our
group was unable to get event dates during that period.
> Therefore, his second objection:
>
> >2.    Will increase court times. Instead of being able to have the awards
> >given at several events during the year it will now be at only one for
> >Shires and Cantons.
>
> Courts have been too long for years.
> The most objectionable reason for court length in my mind is the feeling
by some people that they need to do presentations in court.
> I feel that if you feel the need to do a presentation in court, you are
doing it for the wrong reasons.
> As for the ability to receive awards several times in the year, be happy
to have an event to get them once.
> I also do not believe that holding only one event a year will hurt most
people as far as getting awards as very few deserve more than one a year.
> As for his third objection:
>
> >3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several
a
> >year now.  And most groups don't do them.
>
> Our last few events have had less than maybe a dozen people attend from
outside the group because other groups were having bigger events.  In one
case, we thought we had a chance to hold a well attended event but the
Kingdom calendar changed and it resulted in Elfsea having an event opposite
ours.
>
> I have nothing to say about his fourth and fifth objections, except been
there, gone through it for years.
> >4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third
for
> >Baronies.
> >5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.
>
> As for his last statement:
> >I hate to say it, but the reason the Kingdom calendar is too full is
because
> >the Kingdom is too big.  Now there is politically incorrect thought.
>
> This may be true, but if you look at the calendars for other Kingdoms, you
will find that very few of them have groups holding 3 and 4 events a year.
>
> Gilli's last statement:
> >I will email the Crown tomorrow.  It's too late tonight to do so
> >effectively.  But item one above really bothers me.
>
> Discussion on decisions such as this are always welcome but I remember
Ulsted and Cateau when they were members of the Shire of the Shadowlands so
I know they remember what it is like to be unable to get dates.
>
> It must be nice to live where there are fewer surrounding groups and you
can get event dates.
>
> Jin Liu Ch'ang
> m.k.a. Norman White
> gn-white at tamu.edu
>
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 17:43:38 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:43:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
References: <17d.1f41e959.2c72ebb7@aol.com>
	<001101c366b2$9b542260$c2fea8c0@steven>
Message-ID: <00b201c366b4$19ce4200$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

I think that is a wonderful question.

In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
only two?

Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?

If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all three) that
would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Snorri Hallsson" <snorri at houston.rr.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question


> Mistress Kat brought this up ...
> > I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our
> recent
> >  meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per
> year
> > *including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event
per
> year.
>
> Just out of curiosity, I know that each barony in Ansteorra has one
> perpetual event date, a set weekend every year that a barony has reserved
on
> the calendar per Kingdom law.  My question is, why was this established?
> What was the reasoning for creating PEDs for baronies but not shires,
> cantons, etc. when this law was passed?  (Responders, act like I don't
know
> anything, ask my wife, it's real easy to do.)
>
>
> Lord Snorri Hallsson
>
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From lymadelina at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 15:51:21 2003
From: lymadelina at earthlink.net (Madelina de Lindesay)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:51:21 -0500 (GMT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Coastal] Vivking Chairs
Message-ID: <1025712.1061340674426.JavaMail.nobody@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Uddgar once told me these chairs are an invention of the 20th century.  Does anyone have documentation?

Madelina


From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 18:02:20 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:02:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually Viking Chairs
In-Reply-To: <200308200045.h7K0jRa09598@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEIEGEDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Lord Morgan Lucktain asked:
>...I had seen a two piece chair they
>called a Viking Traveling Chair.  It
>came in two parts, the seat part would
>slide into a grove into the chair back
>part.  It would then lean back some so
>that one could sit at almost a recline
>position.  I am just trying to see if any
>one has any pics or blue prints on how
>to make them.  I have tried looking on
>the net & have not found what I am looking
>for.  So any help from any one
>would be greatly appreiciated.

Firstly, these are not Viking chairs by any stretch of the imagination.  How
the two board, non-period camp chairs got to be called "Viking chairs"
involves the general evolution of "folk understandings" in the SCA.

To locate the two-board, modern camp chairs, try searching for "stargarzer
chair".  There are online plans for this not medieval chair at:

http://www.currentmiddleages.org/tents/chair4stargazer.pdf

HOWEVER... if you'd like an actual Viking chair, I can help you with that,
too.  Check out my article on woodworking in the Viking Age
(http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/wood.htm) in the "Furniture" section.  Then
also consult the Bibliography, which has one section devoted to
"Reconstructions, Plans and How To Articles".  There's one chair from Lund,
Sweden (ca. 1000-1050) that is almost identical to a chair I've seen offered
commercially at various places such as Walmart from time to time.

::GUNNVOR::







From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 18:06:37 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:06:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually A Viking Chair
In-Reply-To: <200308200045.h7K0jRa09598@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEMEGEDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Lord Morgan Lucktain asked:
>...I had seen a two piece chair they
>called a Viking Traveling Chair.  It
>came in two parts, the seat part would
>slide into a grove into the chair back
>part.  It would then lean back some so
>that one could sit at almost a recline
>position.  I am just trying to see if any
>one has any pics or blue prints on how
>to make them.  I have tried looking on
>the net & have not found what I am looking
>for.  So any help from any one
>would be greatly appreiciated.

Firstly, these are not Viking chairs by any stretch of the imagination.  How
the two board, non-period camp chairs got to be called "Viking chairs"
involves the general evolution of "folk understandings" in the SCA.

To locate the two-board, modern camp chairs, try searching for "stargarzer
chair".  There are online plans for this not medieval chair at:

http://www.currentmiddleages.org/tents/chair4stargazer.pdf
http://cls.coe.utk.edu/mcnutt/SCA/portfolio/woodworking/bogchair/bogchairpla
ns.htm

And though I'm sure no one would have guessed this, there are a series of
messages about this type of chair in Stefan's Florilegium at
http://www.florilegium.org/files/HOME/chairs-msg.html as well ;-)

HOWEVER... if you'd like an actual Viking chair, I can help you with that,
too.  Check out my article on woodworking in the Viking Age
(http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/wood.htm) in the "Furniture" section.  Then
also consult the Bibliography, which has one section devoted to
"Reconstructions, Plans and How To Articles".  There's one chair from Lund,
Sweden (ca. 1000-1050) that is almost identical to a chair I've seen offered
commercially at various places such as Walmart from time to time.

::GUNNVOR::






From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 19:14:23 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:14:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030819211420.0136e9d8@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 07:32 PM 8/19/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Mistress Kat brought this up ...
>> I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our
>recent
>>  meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per
>year
>> *including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event per
>year.
>
>Just out of curiosity, I know that each barony in Ansteorra has one
>perpetual event date, a set weekend every year that a barony has reserved on
>the calendar per Kingdom law.  My question is, why was this established?
>What was the reasoning for creating PEDs for baronies but not shires,
>cantons, etc. when this law was passed?  (Responders, act like I don't know
>anything, ask my wife, it's real easy to do.)


I wasn't in on the decision-making process, but I *think* the reasoning
went like this: 

Some groups have "traditional" events (such as Steppes Warlord, Candlemas
in Bryn Gwlad or Namron Protectorate.) Locking those dates into the kingdom
calendar means, on the one hand, that the group doesn't have to fight for
that weekend every year and on the other hand, groups planning events near
that time will already know that, for example, Namron Protectorate is on
Columbus Day weekend, so they can plan around it.

(Bear in mind that when this was done, the number of groups in Ansteorra
was significantly smaller than it is now.)

	-Tivar Moondragon



From cchipman at nomadics.com  Tue Aug 19 20:35:13 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:35:13 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
	<1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <00f601c366cc$117c82c0$19c11f43@nomadics.com>

Have you added in the following events:

Gulf Wars
Pennsic
Estrella
Lillies
Diamond Wars

While not everyone in the kingdom goes to those events, they do factor into
the calendar.  Depending on how you count those (Pennsic 2, GW 2, Lillies 2,
Estrella 1, and Diamond Wars 1) thats another 10 events.

Jean Paul (doing recon behind enemy lines :) )

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


-- snip --
> There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events
per
> weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)
>
> If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
(Christmas,
> Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings
the
> number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
>
> The breakdown is :
>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
> This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
have 3
> or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
events
> scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
event
> or 2.
>
-- snip -- 
> Ansgar
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------
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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Tue Aug 19 20:37:18 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:37:18 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
References: <28.3c64a3db.2c74185d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <010401c366cc$5bd01170$19c11f43@nomadics.com>

Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
(Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either Comets,
Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.

Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)


> In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time,
> agillilan at swbell.net writes:
>
> >
> > Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do
not
> > recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.
Anytime
> > a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in
award
> > recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It
doesn't
> > matter that it's not "our" event.
> >
> > Gilyan
> > Shire of Mooneschadowe
> >
>
> True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what
about
> the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any
event.
> Pieter
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 19:42:01 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:42:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net><1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
	<00f601c366cc$117c82c0$19c11f43@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c366c4$a4d8ca40$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Diamond Wars???

Where and when is that??

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Chipman" <cchipman at nomadics.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Have you added in the following events:
>
> Gulf Wars
> Pennsic
> Estrella
> Lillies
> Diamond Wars
>
> While not everyone in the kingdom goes to those events, they do factor
into
> the calendar.  Depending on how you count those (Pennsic 2, GW 2, Lillies
2,
> Estrella 1, and Diamond Wars 1) thats another 10 events.
>
> Jean Paul (doing recon behind enemy lines :) )
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> -- snip --
> > There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events
> per
> > weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)
> >
> > If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
> (Christmas,
> > Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings
> the
> > number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
> >
> > The breakdown is :
> >
> > 25 weekends with only 1 event
> > 14 weekends with 2 events
> > 4 weekends with 3 events
> > 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
> >
> > This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
> have 3
> > or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
> events
> > scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
> event
> > or 2.
> >
> -- snip --
> > Ansgar
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------
> > This mail sent through IMP: mcgee1.sfasu.edu
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> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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>
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From PKieferjr at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 19:42:25 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:42:25 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 5:33:15 PM Central Daylight Time, 
mtucker at airmail.net writes:
How did you get from that, to "seriously considering reviving the 
"principality" dead horse"? True, each piece of a divided kingdom would 
have fewer events on its calendar; we have somewhat that situation 
already, with the kingdom calendar deputy charged to prevent 
conflicting events within each region. But will that solve the 
over-riding problem (as restated above)? I don't think so. Limiting 
events by region hasn't helped to unclutter the calendar or improve the 
quality of our events, so how would dividing the kingdom help?

Yours,
Michael Silverhands
I'm basically looking at this as "we've become overwhelmed that we can't do 
things efficiently or effectively within the current structure without coming 
up short somewhere", so we add another layer of sorts.  One would have to 
acknowledge that someone can't be everywhere they'd like to be (i.e., Crown, et. 
al.), so another layer, in the form of a coronet principality, delegated certain 
duties when the monarchy cannot be there in person.  Sort of like a 
"stand-in" (although a noble is supposed to do this as well).

Take a look at the number of groups overall. Unless I'm in error, that's 41 
total.  Is this an unusually high number for any kingdom?  Did other kingdoms 
run into this "overpopulation" problem?  It reminds me a lot of the fact that 
our planet is home to 6 billion people, and that affects practically 
everything.  This appears to be one of those effects:  A metric buttload of SCA'ers (a 
Good Thing (TM), but a logistical nightmare).  How many kingdoms are there now? 
 I think I've lost track, but you get the idea.  The Kingdom itself may have 
grown too big to be handled in a official monarchial capacity as one undivided 
unit.

41 groups, 39 available weekends.  Still sounds like we've grown rather big.  
May be time to beat that dead horse again.

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 19:45:02 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:45:02 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
References: <28.3c64a3db.2c74185d@aol.com>
	<010401c366cc$5bd01170$19c11f43@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <004401c366c5$0f46e240$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Well, once that thing is read into law, it's like a heat seeking missile.
That's a good thing.  Those precious scribes put in far too much work on
those scroll to let them go to waste.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Chipman" <cchipman at nomadics.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)


> Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
> (Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either
Comets,
> Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.
>
> Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
>
>
> > In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time,
> > agillilan at swbell.net writes:
> >
> > >
> > > Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you
do
> not
> > > recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.
> Anytime
> > > a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in
> award
> > > recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It
> doesn't
> > > matter that it's not "our" event.
> > >
> > > Gilyan
> > > Shire of Mooneschadowe
> > >
> >
> > True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what
> about
> > the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any
> event.
> > Pieter
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ansteorra mailing list
> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:02:23 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:02:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c366c7$7c1853c0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

>From where I stand; though dark, dank and there seems to be a foul smell in
the air (Ooops, sorry), I think things are going fine.  Which means if it
ain't broke, don't fix it.  However, should we have an area or region that
has become all they can be as that area or region, and they and the
resulting split would both meet Kingdom status, I'd say COOL.  However,
there's a bunch of IF in there.

Thing is, folks WANT to be ANSTEORRAN.  Go figure.  :)

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <PKieferjr at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> In a message dated 8/19/2003 5:33:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
> mtucker at airmail.net writes:
> How did you get from that, to "seriously considering reviving the
> "principality" dead horse"? True, each piece of a divided kingdom would
> have fewer events on its calendar; we have somewhat that situation
> already, with the kingdom calendar deputy charged to prevent
> conflicting events within each region. But will that solve the
> over-riding problem (as restated above)? I don't think so. Limiting
> events by region hasn't helped to unclutter the calendar or improve the
> quality of our events, so how would dividing the kingdom help?
>
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands
> I'm basically looking at this as "we've become overwhelmed that we can't
do
> things efficiently or effectively within the current structure without
coming
> up short somewhere", so we add another layer of sorts.  One would have to
> acknowledge that someone can't be everywhere they'd like to be (i.e.,
Crown, et.
> al.), so another layer, in the form of a coronet principality, delegated
certain
> duties when the monarchy cannot be there in person.  Sort of like a
> "stand-in" (although a noble is supposed to do this as well).
>
> Take a look at the number of groups overall. Unless I'm in error, that's
41
> total.  Is this an unusually high number for any kingdom?  Did other
kingdoms
> run into this "overpopulation" problem?  It reminds me a lot of the fact
that
> our planet is home to 6 billion people, and that affects practically
> everything.  This appears to be one of those effects:  A metric buttload
of SCA'ers (a
> Good Thing (TM), but a logistical nightmare).  How many kingdoms are there
now?
>  I think I've lost track, but you get the idea.  The Kingdom itself may
have
> grown too big to be handled in a official monarchial capacity as one
undivided
> unit.
>
> 41 groups, 39 available weekends.  Still sounds like we've grown rather
big.
> May be time to beat that dead horse again.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From ferret at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:16:38 2003
From: ferret at hot.rr.com (Paul DeLisle)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:16:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <01c901c366ae$091d1770$982222d1@theparents>
Message-ID: <CCEDJGIDBGOMKABAAKMBAEMDECAA.ferret@hot.rr.com>

> > 25 weekends with only 1 event
> > 14 weekends with 2 events
> > 4 weekends with 3 events
> > 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.

...looking up at the banners, blowing in the breeze; 
and remembering what we're here for:

...PRICELESS...

In Service, I remain
Alden Pharamond
Tempio, Ansteorra




From jerryn at houston.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:18:52 2003
From: jerryn at houston.rr.com (Gerald Norris)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:18:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <200308200045.h7K0jRa09598@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <IOEKLKKIAMOLDFPOJHJPAEFKCGAA.jerryn@houston.rr.com>

A little while ago, Gilli said something like:

> I think that is a wonderful question.
>
> In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
> only two?
>
> Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?
>
> If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all
> three) that
> would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
>
> Gilli

Alas, Gilli, you have discovered the secret plot of all baronies, and so the
tickling hamsters must be summoned.

"Bring out the Hamsters!"

*In the background an odd strain of music reminiscent of "Thus Spake
Zarathustra" but probably a little tinnier can be heard as a low bass thud
that is more tactile than audible and a rumble that reminds you of the day
the whole class had the bean salad and what a noise THAT was but it's mixed
with the grinding of stone and finally creaks to a stop and the silence is
thick enough to swim through and then you hear -
the heart-sickening double-thud -
and the eerie deep chittering -
as two large bundles of fur start lolloping toward you*

In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
HL Gerald of Leesville
Ravenskald of Ravensfort
A bard of Stargate
Kingdom Ansteorra



From DonPieter at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 20:30:35 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:30:35 EDT
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
Message-ID: <65.1772554f.2c74455b@aol.com>

Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry an AoA did I not?  The 
comet,thistle and AoA are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local awards that carry 
AoA's. ie The Firebrand of Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
Pieter


In a message dated 8/19/2003 9:39:52 PM Central Standard Time, 
cchipman at nomadics.com writes:

> Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
> (Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either Comets,
> Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.
> 
> Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
> 
> 
> >In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time,
> >agillilan at swbell.net writes:
> >
> >>
> >>Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do
> not
> >>recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.
> Anytime
> >>a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in
> award
> >>recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It
> doesn't
> >>matter that it's not "our" event.
> >>
> >>Gilyan
> >>Shire of Mooneschadowe
> >>
> >
> >True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what
> about
> >the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any
> event.
> >Pieter
> >_______________________________________________



From ferret at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:37:19 2003
From: ferret at hot.rr.com (Paul DeLisle)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:37:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <IOEKLKKIAMOLDFPOJHJPAEFKCGAA.jerryn@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CCEDJGIDBGOMKABAAKMBMEMEECAA.ferret@hot.rr.com>

> > If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all
> > three) that
> > would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
> > Gilli
>
> Alas, Gilli, you have discovered the secret plot of all baronies,
> and so the tickling hamsters must be summoned.
> "Bring out the Hamsters!"
>
> *In the background an odd strain of music reminiscent of "Thus Spake
> Zarathustra" but probably a little tinnier can be heard as a low bass thud
> that is more tactile than audible and a rumble that reminds you of the day
> the whole class had the bean salad and what a noise THAT was but
> it's mixed
> with the grinding of stone and finally creaks to a stop and the silence is
> thick enough to swim through and then you hear -
> the heart-sickening double-thud -
> and the eerie deep chittering -
> as two large bundles of fur start lolloping toward you*
>
> In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
> HL Gerald of Leesville
> Ravenskald of Ravensfort
> A bard of Stargate
> Kingdom Ansteorra

...*not* normally a "Me, too" kinda guy...but...
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You rock!
(B.T.W...    ME, TOO!)

In Service, I remain
Alden Pharamond
Tempio, Ansteorra

(WELL DONE, m'Lord!)




From philipwhite at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 20:38:14 2003
From: philipwhite at hotmail.com (Craig Shupee')
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:38:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Surprise Court in Barn
Message-ID: <20030819223814.A1484@stardock.pug.net>

Greetings Ansteorrans and Dancers!

As enthusiastic people from the Known World were arranging the floor at 
Pennsic for dance ? clearing away tables and sweeping away debris ? one 
Ansteorran was preparing to organize dance.  Meanwhile ? those Ansteorrans 
at Pennsic where gathering en masse.  Rumors had already been spread that 
the Ansteorran Crown was going to make a confident display of Royalty by 
making a special presentation to a member of their populous.

The Royal Progress began at the Ansteorran camp.  Preceded by Their heralds 
bearing the proud banners of the Kingdom, His Majesty Ulsted the Unsteady 
and Her Majesty Cateau D?Ardennes led their subjects forth through the lands 
of Pennsic in full regalia.  Each member of their populous clothed in some 
of their best court garb.  Every witness of this regal Progress bowed low in 
respect for this potent display of community and society.

As the mass of Ansteorrans appeared at the barn where dance was about to 
commence, they were able to surprise Lady Lowrie Leulyn as she was 
discussing which dances to prepare for with the musicians.  Startled by the 
gathering of Ansteorrans lead by the Crown, I think that Lowrie was slightly 
dumbstruck.  Suddenly, Court had been opened and the Crown was announcing 
their respect for Lowrie.  Her Majesty Cateau eloquently addressed her 
kingdom and the lurking dancers of Lowrie?s deeds.  Swiftly, the Crown had 
appeared and recognized Lady Lowrie with a Sable Thistle in the Field of 
Dance.  This all happening while surrounded by her peers and friends of the 
Known World.

It was certainly a magical and thrilling way to begin the evening dancing.  
This show of respect and commitment is greatly appreciated because the Crown 
and the Kingdom went to special efforts so that this could happen.

I personally extend my gratitude to the Crown and the Kingdom ? for Their 
support of a dancer and of the dance community.

Your Servant to Command,
Philip White

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From chiang at odsy.net  Tue Aug 19 20:38:38 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:38:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs
References: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401c366cc$8b6b9170$4750cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

I have one of those type chairs. Won it at Passe deArms in Adlersruhe a few
years ago. They are pretty neat chairs. My young daughter promptly claimed
it and calls it her clothes pin chair.
Come to Gothic Wars on Labor Day weekend and I will show you mine <G>
HE Chiang, who never passes up a chance to plug Gothic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Masters" <celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>; <Bordermarch at ansteorra.org>;
<coastal at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 6:33 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs


> Once a few years back at an event for the Barony of the Lonely Tower (
> Omaha, Nebraska ).  I had seen a two piece chair they called a Viking
> Traveling Chair.  It came in two parts, the seat part would slide into a
> grove into the chair back part.  It would then lean back some so that one
> could sit at almost a recline position.  I am just trying to see if any
one
> has any pics or blue prints on how to make them.  I have tried looking on
> the net & have not found what I am looking for.  So any help from any one
> would be greatly appreiciated.  Thank you one & all...
>
> In Service to the Dream
> Lord Morgan Lucktain
> A & S Officer or Barony Bordermarch
> Quartermaster of the Pyrate Shiphold Posiedons' Fury





From lyonsden19 at att.net  Tue Aug 19 22:41:14 2003
From: lyonsden19 at att.net (William E. Lyon)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:41:14 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <00f601c366cc$117c82c0$19c11f43@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <KPEIIPINJLHKDOMBKHBOGEHACCAA.lyonsden19@att.net>


should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?

Uilleam, who just usually lurks
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Carl Chipman
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:35 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


Have you added in the following events:

Gulf Wars
Pennsic
Estrella
Lillies
Diamond Wars

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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 20:52:01 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:52:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Wars RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <KPEIIPINJLHKDOMBKHBOGEHACCAA.lyonsden19@att.net>
Message-ID: <20030820035201.54929.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>



"William E. Lyon" <lyonsden19 at att.net> wrote: 

>should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?

>Uilleam, who just usually lurks


>Have you added in the following events:

>Gulf Wars

We are principals in this war...so we better have it on our calander

>Pennsic

This is like the SCA World Wide convention...it behooves  us to have as large as presence there as possible...


>Estrella

We have a treaty with Calontir to fight with them at this war...so they will fight with us at Gulf War...

>Lillies


Haven't made it to this one...but I've heard that it is a really fun war...

>Diamond Wars

A war that is fun....and near by (in Arkansas)

Lorraine Deerslayer




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From maaggie3 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 19 20:52:29 2003
From: maaggie3 at comcast.net (Lisa A. May)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:52:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEECEGADEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>
Message-ID: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>

Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!

While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out that
all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of scheduled
events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming events
are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the next
twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .

Margaret

****************************************
Countess Margaret ny Connor
Barony of the Steppes
Kingdom of Ansteorra
****************************************

"And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink as
friends."  W. Shakespeare.

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income

<snip>

My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the sky
is falling in!"

<much, much snippage>

::GUNNVOR::

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From lyonsden19 at att.net  Tue Aug 19 22:56:23 2003
From: lyonsden19 at att.net (William E. Lyon)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:56:23 -0700
Subject: Wars RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030820035201.54929.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KPEIIPINJLHKDOMBKHBOIEHBCCAA.lyonsden19@att.net>

yes on the calendar, but not considered as congestion

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of L T
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:52 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Wars RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?




"William E. Lyon" <lyonsden19 at att.net> wrote:

>should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?

>Uilleam, who just usually lurks


>Have you added in the following events:

>Gulf Wars

We are principals in this war...so we better have it on our calander

>Pennsic

This is like the SCA World Wide convention...it behooves  us to have as
large as presence there as possible...


>Estrella

We have a treaty with Calontir to fight with them at this war...so they will
fight with us at Gulf War...

>Lillies


Haven't made it to this one...but I've heard that it is a really fun war...

>Diamond Wars

A war that is fun....and near by (in Arkansas)

Lorraine Deerslayer




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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 20:59:03 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:59:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually Viking Chairs
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEIEGEDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>
Message-ID: <20030820035903.34504.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>



"C. L. Ward" <gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com> wrote:
>Firstly, these are not Viking chairs by any stretch of the imagination. How
>the two board, non-period camp chairs got to be called "Viking chairs"
>involves the general evolution of "folk understandings" in the SCA.

Another name for them is "African Birthing Chairs"

Lorraine DeerSlayer



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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Tue Aug 19 22:02:27 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:02:27 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
References: <65.1772554f.2c74455b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <020801c366d8$41806b10$19c11f43@nomadics.com>

Oops, sorry about misunderstanding.  I've always lived in a shire, so was
not thinking of those awards and circumstances.  However, the Baronies still
will have TWO events to give the award out at...

Jean Paul



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>; <cchipman at nomadics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)


> Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry an AoA did I not?  The
> comet,thistle and AoA are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local awards
that carry
> AoA's. ie The Firebrand of Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
> Pieter
>
>
> In a message dated 8/19/2003 9:39:52 PM Central Standard Time,
> cchipman at nomadics.com writes:
>
> > Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
> > (Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either
Comets,
> > Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.
> >
> > Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)
> >



From IagoAH at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 21:09:59 2003
From: IagoAH at aol.com (IagoAH at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:09:59 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <14f.22bef79f.2c744e97@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/03 9:42:29 PM Central Daylight Time, gilli at hot.rr.com 
writes:


> Diamond Wars???
> 
> Where and when is that??
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.

September or October, I think, in Arkansas.

Iago


From edrei at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 21:10:29 2003
From: edrei at earthlink.net (David  Backlin)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:10:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] 10 DAYS!!
Message-ID: <028301c366d1$018b24c0$2b50be3f@gateway>

Only 10 more days until the Shire of Smythkepe presents Mid Summer Knight's
Dream XI: the War of the Roses.

We've got a lot planned and hopefully something for everyone:


A&S Competitions

For beginners, or those create works only for fun, we offer the Red Rose
Category. Documentation welcome, but not necessary. Entries will be
available for populace voting from 11am to 5pm on Saturday.

Have you made a period garment or armor? Do you have a well researched game
or other handmade creation? Do you have the explanations and documentation
to demonstrate your craft to others? For you, we offer the White Rose
Category. Entries will reviewed by experienced judges who can give your
effort its due. Entries need to be at the judging table by 11:30.

Children can have their talents displayed too, by showing their artwork or
things made in your very own Rosebud Category! This is not a competition and
all childrens entries will receive a participation token.


Classes:
We have a wide variety of classes being held from Waterbearing 101,
Experimenting with Period Pigment Paints, Feastocrating 101, an introduction
to the Bardic Arts (by Gleann Abhann's Principality Bard Lady Alina nic
Bhaird !!)
and much more (including COGA approved classes).

Fighting activities include:
Heavy Fighting:
Midnight Boffer Dagger Duel
Tourney of Arms (featuring The Wheel of Death)
Loot Tourney
Battle of the Roses -
Woodland Battle, Bridge Battle, much more, including a Fledgling Tourney
(authorized 18 months or less)

Light Fighting:
Duelist tourney (an ongoing tourney for the weekend)
Burning deck tourney
Torchlight fights
Favor Tourney. Entrants must bear a favor to participate)
and so much more.

There will also be a Children's Boffer Dagger tourney (details to be
announced on site), as well as Youth Combat.

If nothing else, come shop the merchants and enjoy our feast ;)

Our MSKD Website has lots more information (including the Feast Menu).

http://www.smythkeeptavern.org/


We hope to see everyone there!!!



Ld Edrei the Quiet (mka David Backlin)
Merchant-crat  Mid Summer Knight's Dream XI
August 29-Sept 1 2003
Shire of Smythkepe





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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 21:12:04 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030819183639.A30079@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <20030820041204.57932.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>

I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something else...
 
A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if you have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> wrote:
Lisa Duke (arabella at elfsea.net) said something that sounded like:
> Be very careful what you say Master Pug. Why should you dread going to an
> event because of "business being done"?

Because of the old motto.

When you stop having fun, stop doing it.

The Peers of the Realm do a lot more "business" than what is seen at
the King's Round Table. There is more "business" to the game of the
SCA than what the officers do. Just ask the Laurels about judging
sometime.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase | "And I ain't in it for the power
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra | And I ain't in it for my health
Dark Horde Moritu | I ain't in it for the glory of anything at all
pug at pug.net | And I sure ain't in it for the wealth" --Meatloaf
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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 21:13:35 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:13:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <14f.22bef79f.2c744e97@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030820041335.60925.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com>

Unfortunately it is always the same weekend as Raven's Fort's Defender event!!!
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

IagoAH at aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/03 9:42:29 PM Central Daylight Time, gilli at hot.rr.com 
writes:


> Diamond Wars???
> 
> Where and when is that??
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.

September or October, I think, in Arkansas.

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From PKieferjr at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 21:24:52 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:24:52 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <103.348660e2.2c745214@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 10:42:26 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lyonsden19 at att.net writes:
should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?
Considering the amount of attendence by Ansteorrans, that would be a big 
hearty "YES".

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 19 22:28:50 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:28:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1061357330.3f430712a2e59@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Yes, those numbers were for the twelve months starting in the current month, 
which is why I used the term

Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:

> Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
> 
> While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
> that
> all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
> scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
> scheduled
> events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
> events
> are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
> next
> twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
> 
> Margaret
> 
> ****************************************
> Countess Margaret ny Connor
> Barony of the Steppes
> Kingdom of Ansteorra
> ****************************************
> 
> "And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink
> as
> friends."  W. Shakespeare.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
> 
> <snip>
> 
> My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the
> sky
> is falling in!"
> 
> <much, much snippage>
> 
> ::GUNNVOR::
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From DonnelShaw at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 22:39:01 2003
From: DonnelShaw at aol.com (DonnelShaw at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:39:01 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually Viking Chairs
Message-ID: <135.2400e773.2c746375@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 11:01:24 PM Central Standard Time, 
ldeerslayer at yahoo.com writes:

> Another name for them is "African Birthing Chairs"
> 
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
> 
> 

Now that is a scary idea. Keeping balanced and giving birth at the same time. 


From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 22:39:57 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:39:57 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events
In-Reply-To: <200308200402.h7K42ua15485@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEMEGHDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

> Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry
> an AoA did I not?  The  comet,thistle and AoA
> are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local
> awards that carry AoA's. ie The Firebrand of
>Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
> Pieter

Pieter, not all local awards carry AoAs.  The Bjornsborg Firebrands, at
least when they started, did not, although the Ursae Majoris and later the
Ursae Australis did. A barony can have as many (or as few) nonarmigerous
awards as they want.

And, as for what you do about local awards you'd like to give at these
non-calendar events, is the Crown can read 'em into law at any Crown court -
for which one does not have to have the whole kingdom present.  I'd think
that the Crown could summon a few witnesses into Their camp a little ahead
of Group X's noncalendar event, open Their Court, read the scrolls into law,
Close Court, and send the awards via messenger (or FedEx, etc.) to Group X
to be duly presented with much publich hoorah and rejoicing at the
non-calendar event.

But, honest-to-goshen, "having an event so we can give out awards" has gotta
be the worst reason for holding an event I have ever heard in my life.  The
awards can't be all we're here for... surely some folks have got to be doing
cool stuff in the SCA because they think it's neat, or fun, etc.  Awards are
the cherry set atop the ice cream and hot fudge on the sundae... nice, but
not, after all, what you paid $3 for at the Dairy Queen.

On a related but slightly tangent topic, one thing that just kind of took me
by surprise the other day was hearing that some people got offended if they
didn't get their awards in evening court because they felt that somehow they
had been given less of an honor.  By my lights, an award given to me doesn't
mean that I have had an Honor!! bestowed upon me by the Crown (though that
is part of it).  Rather, the Big Deal of an award is that friends,
colleages, and other people doing some of the same stuff I do in the SCA
thought I was doing something neat enough for recognition.  The Crown may or
may not really know every person to whom They grant an award... but the
Crown does know that the person being given the award has in some way
impressed the people who recommended the recipient for that award.

I personally enjoy it when the Crown convenes court on the listfield, or at
the archery range, or on the dancefloor, and grants an award to a person
witnessed by the members of that person's SCA community... We may each live
in a given barony or shire or canton, but each of has one or more
"communities" with whom we play, be it chivalric combat, A&S, archery,
equestrian, rapier, the kitchen crew, etc. and I feel it is very special to
get an award in some of these "communities" with the folks we play with in
these venues witnessing, at least or even more special than it is to get one
in one's local SCA group's big evening court.

Over last weekend, I heard the opinion voiced that compared to some other
kingdoms, Ansteorra gives out "too many" awards and that consequently
they're not as highly valued here as they might be elsewhere.  That was a
very different belief than one I'd ever encountered, but it was one that
made me think.  I do have to giggle when I envision the chaos and riot that
would ensue if it were suddenly announced that half of the awards currently
given in Ansteorra were to be permanently retired and that the remaining
ones would be given out half as often than before...  but certainly it would
make courts shorter, and you wouldn't have to worry about no awards being
given at noncalendar events, lol!

::GUNNVOR::

Insomnia.  *sigh* It leads to waxing elephants.




From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 19 22:44:56 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:44:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1061358296.3f430ad8a1c96@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Apologies for that last post.

Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current month, 
which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>

As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella, Pennsic, etc 
as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals (like 
Gulf War)

For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :

(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know there were 
some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers down.  The 
Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)

83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events per 
weekend.
If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events over 43 
weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.

Breakdown by number of events per weekend :

5 weekends - no events
19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
21 weekends - 2 events
6 weekends - 3 events
1 weekend - 4 events

I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the Blackstars I 
have readily available, if needed<G>

We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.

Ansgar
(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)


Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:

> Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
> 
> While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
> that
> all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
> scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
> scheduled
> events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
> events
> are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
> next
> twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
> 
> Margaret
> 
> ****************************************
> Countess Margaret ny Connor
> Barony of the Steppes
> Kingdom of Ansteorra
> ****************************************
> 
> "And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink
> as
> friends."  W. Shakespeare.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
> 
> <snip>
> 
> My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the
> sky
> is falling in!"
> 
> <much, much snippage>
> 
> ::GUNNVOR::
> 
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From Reihla at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 23:15:41 2003
From: Reihla at aol.com (Reihla at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:15:41 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
Message-ID: <104.34a2d56d.2c746c0d@aol.com>

> why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
> only two?
> Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?

I have to say that, for the most part, the idea of a barony hosting a local 
event to raise money is a myth.  I don't know about other groups, but 
Wiesenfeuer typically breaks even or makes a few hundred on local events.  Our coffers 
are healthy, yes, but that's really mostly from *years* of making a few 
hundred dollars on one event per year.  Our events are usually very well attended 
(we average @250-300 at baronial and @150 for our Yule event).  Our baronial 
event usually makes just enough to cover our expenses, plus pay for site (which 
charges us per person) and any consumables that are needed for the event.  When 
we found ourselves actually making money on the event we spent more money to 
make things more comfortable for folks (renting the pool, investing in misting 
systems, etc.).  Our December event makes a little money, but we find it is 
better to drop the site fee because it allows more people to attend.    

That's not to say that I think making money is a bad thing.  We've got 
ongoing expenses like meeting space, upkeep on storage, upgrading and repairing 
baronial property, new regalia, prizes, etc. that cost.  Nice that we can raise a 
little money to cover those things.

I've played in both a moderately sized barony and a small shire (well, it was 
small when *I* was there).  My experience leads me to believe that baronies 
were given one more event per year because of their larger populaces (one more 
court to allow recognition for the extra people).  I wasn't there when the 
decision was made, though, so that's just a guess.  Besides, baronies worked hard 
to attain that status.  I don't think I'd be alone to suggest that perhaps 
they might have earned a few extras for their effort (nobles to represent them 
to the Crown, an extra date on the calendar, etc.).  If shires want the perks 
they can do the work it takes to grow and petition for elevation in status.

It's worth noting that Wiesenfeuer already dropped it's third event last year 
for a couple of reasons:  one, we wanted to bid for Kingdom events and 
couldn't seem to scrape up the enthusiasm or the staff and, two, we were running 
into burn-out from our core working members and, three, we had a new canton that 
wanted to sponsor an event and we preferred to focus our energies on helping 
them.    

Kat  >^.,.^<




From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 23:39:52 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:39:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>
References: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F4317B8.2080700@earthlink.net>

PKieferjr at aol.com wrote:

> Take a look at the number of groups overall. Unless I'm in error, that's 41 
> total.  Is this an unusually high number for any kingdom?  Did other kingdoms 
> run into this "overpopulation" problem?  It reminds me a lot of the fact that 
> our planet is home to 6 billion people, and that affects practically 
> everything.  This appears to be one of those effects:  A metric buttload of SCA'ers (a 
> Good Thing (TM), but a logistical nightmare).  How many kingdoms are there now? 
>  I think I've lost track, but you get the idea.  The Kingdom itself may have 
> grown too big to be handled in a official monarchial capacity as one undivided 
> unit.

There are currently 17 kingdoms.  According to each kingdom's web page 
(which may not be up-to-date, but should be close enough for your 
question), they have the following groups.

As for number of events, the standard seems to be 1-3 events per 
weekend; An Tir has the most, with 7 events scheduled for this coming 
weekend.


An Tir
Principality of Avacal
	3 baronies, 4 cantons, 6 shires
Principality of the Summits
	2 baronies, 1 canton, 8 shires
Principality of Tir Righ
	2 baronies, 16 shires, 1 port, 1 college
Central An Tir (not in a principality)
	8 baronies, 4 cantons, 12 shires, 4 colleges


Ansteorra
Central Region
	2 baronies, 4 cantons, 2 shires, 1 college
Coastal Region
	3 baronies, 2 cantons, 4 shires, 1 college
Northern Region
	4 baronies, 2 cantons, 3 shires
Southern Region
	3 baronies, 1 canton, 5 shires
Western Region
	1 barony, 5 shires


Artemisia
4 baronies, 14 shires, 1 college


Atenveldt
6 baronies, 8 shires, 1 march, 3 colleges


Atlantia
16 baronies, 20 cantons, 10 shires, 2 colleges, 1 stronghold


AEthelmearc
Region 1
	1 barony, 3 shires
Region 2
	1 barony, 1 canton, 4 shires, 1 college
Region 3
	2 baronies, 1 canton, 2 shires
Region 4
	2 baronies, 2 cantons, 2 shires
Region 5
	1 barony, 3 shires, 1 dominion, 1 stronghold


Caid
11 baronies, 13 cantons, 6 shires, 7 colleges, 1 pagus


Calontir
6 baronies, 4 cantons, 20 shires, 3 colleges, 1 stronghold


Drachenwald
web site didn't respond


Ealdomere
5 baronies, 14 cantons, 5 shires, 1 college, 1 stronghold


East
Northern Shores Region
	2 baronies, 8 cantons, 4 shires, 1 port
Northern Region
	1 barony, 8 shires, 1 province
Central Region
	6 baronies, 10 cantons, 6 shires
Southern Region
	4 baronies, 9 cantons, 11 shires, 1 crown province, 1 bailiwick


Lochac
10 baronies, 8 cantons, 8 shires, 9 colleges


Middle
(As an aside, the Middle's Seneschal has *20* deputies!)
Region of Constellation
	3 baronies, 11 shires
Region of Midlands
	4 baronies, 10 shires, 1 college, 1 province
Principality of Northshield (has 3 regions)
	5 baronies, 2 cantons, 22 shires, 3 colleges
Region of Oaken
	6 baronies, 10 cantons, 14 shires, 3 colleges
Region of Pentamere
	4 baronies, 9 cantons, 9 shires, 1 riding
	

Meridies
9 baronies, 2 cantons, 49 shires, 1 college


Outlands
4 baronies, 2 cantons, 16 shires, 7 colleges


Trimaris
3 baronies, 2 cantons, 18 shires, 1 college, 1 stronghold


West
Principality of the Mists
	2 baronies, 4 cantons, 7 shires, 2 collges, 1 province
Principality of Cynagua
	2 baronies, 14 shires, 1 college, 1 province
Principality of Oertha
	3 baronies, 1 canton, 1 college
The Marches (not in a principality)
	2 baronies, 2 palatine baronies, 2 cantons, 2 shires, 1 college, 3 
strongholds, 1 vale



--Perronnelle

-- 
Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.  -- Steven Wright



From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 23:41:17 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:41:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3F43180D.6010807@earthlink.net>

Lisa A. May wrote:

> While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out that
> all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
> scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of scheduled
> events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming events
> are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the next
> twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .

If anyone want so to run the numbers, here's the raw data:

01/05/02	ce	Steppes	Twelfth Night
01/05/02	co	Westgate	Winter Collegium
01/12/02	w	Crossrode Keep	Coronation
01/19/02	w	Bonwicke	Twelfth Night
01/19/02	ce	Emerald Keep	Academy of the Rapier
01/19/02	n	Northkeep	Winterkingdom
01/19/02	co	Seawinds	Siege of the Abbey
01/26/02	s	Middleford	Ice Axe
01/26/02	ce	Steppes	Queens
02/02/02	w	Adlersruhe	Bards & Arts
02/02/02	s	Bryn Gwlad	Candlemas
02/09/02	ce	Elfsea	Baronial College
02/09/02	co	Gates Edge	Pestilence Ball
02/16/02	co	La Marche S	Black Stag
02/16/02	ce	Lindenwood	Border Wars
02/23/02	s	Bjornsborg	Ransom Tourney
02/23/02	n	Wiesenfeuer	Mead Bee War
03/02/02	ce	Three Bridges	Kings Round Table
03/23/02	w	Bonwicke	Crown
03/30/02	ce	Emerald Keep	Tournament of Emeralds
04/06/02	ce	Elfsea	Spring Faire
04/06/02	co	Greywood	Guardian o/t Gauntlet
04/13/02	co	Gates Edge	Academy of the Bow
04/13/02	s	Tempio	Hero of the Temple
04/20/02	co	Bordermarch	Baronial
04/20/02	s	Ffynnon Gath	Highland Games
04/27/02	w	Bonwicke	Champions de la Croix
04/27/02	s	Ravens Fort	A Day at the Court
04/27/02	n	Wastelands	Wasteland Games
05/04/02	n	Brad Leah	Conquest
05/04/02	co	Stargate	Squires & Cadets
05/11/02	w	Mendersham	Defender
05/11/02	n	Namron	Beltane Games
05/18/02	n	Eldern Hills	Eldern
05/18/02	co	Loch Soilleir	Loch Guardian
05/25/02	ce	Steppes	Warlord
06/01/02	n	Northkeep	Castellan
06/01/02	co	Stone Bridge	Golden Arrow
06/08/02	w	Adlersruhe	Passe de Armes
06/08/02	ce	Rosenfeld	Defender
06/15/02	w	Crossrode Keep	Sundered Shield
06/15/02	ce	Lindenwood	Midsummer Masque
06/22/02	n	Namron	Kings College
06/29/02	ce	Dragonsfire T	Guardian of the Tor
06/29/02	co	Gates Edge	Midsummer Faire
07/06/02	n	Mooneschadowe	Heraldic Scribal Symp
07/13/02	s	Middleford	Coronation
07/20/02	ce	Rosenfeld	Kings Round Table
07/27/02	co	Greywood	Queens
08/03/02	s	Shadowlands	Anniversary
08/10/02	ce	Loch Ruadh	Lughnasad
08/24/02	ce	Steppes	Artisan
08/31/02	w	Trelac	Gothic Wars
08/31/02	n	Wiesenfeuer	Baronial
09/07/02	co	Greywood	Battle of the Pines
09/07/02	n	Mooneschadowe	Guardian
09/14/02	s	Middleford	Warchief/Cav o/t Brid
09/14/02	co	Stargate	Baronial
09/21/02	ce	Glaslyn	Defender
09/21/02	s	Ravens Fort	Defender
09/28/02	ce	Elfsea	Defender
09/28/02	n	Wastelands	Defender
10/05/02	co	Greywood	Laurel Prize Tourney
10/12/02	s	Bryn Gwlad	Fall Event / Baronial
10/12/02	n	Namron	Protectorate
10/19/02	s	Bjornsborg	Tournament of Heroes
10/19/02	w	Blacklake	Sentinel
10/26/02	n	Eldern Hills	Samhain
10/26/02	s	Tempio	Tourney o/t 5 Pillars
11/02/02	co	Stargate	Crown
11/09/02	ce	Rosenfeld	Three Kings
11/09/02	w	Trelac	Melee & Mayhem
11/16/02	co	Bordermarch	Melees
11/16/02	n	Rundel	Margrave/Vormund
11/23/02	ce	Emerald Keep	Hunters Moon
11/23/02	co	Gates Edge	Cour de l'Armour
12/07/02	s	Bjornsborg	?
12/07/02	s	Bryn Gwlad	Yule Revel
12/07/02	co	Loch Soilleir	Yule Revel
12/07/02	co	Seawinds	Defender
12/07/02	n	Wiesenfeuer	Yule Revel
12/14/02	ce	Dragonsfire T	Yule Revel
12/14/02	co	Stargate	Yule Revel
12/28/02	co	La Marche S	Golden Hart


--Perronnelle

-- 
Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.  -- Steven Wright



From gudze at pagancow.org  Wed Aug 20 00:08:37 2003
From: gudze at pagancow.org (Gudze O'Domhnaill)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:08:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events
References: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEMEGHDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>
Message-ID: <02cf01c366ea$57a027c0$420496ac@genji>

I had not heard that Ansteorran awards were sometimes viewed as less
meaningful because of their frequency, but this does not terribly surprise
me.

I am not one to judge the merits of all persons receiving an award,
armigerous or otherwise... But I would certainly concur that awards given
with less frequency tend to be more highly-valued.

As a bearer of no awards, I can say that I would be much more excited to
earn an award that isn't frequently awarded than on that is given to
everyone who meets a certain requirement of exceptional service. (Again, I'm
not saying that's how it is now, just making an example.) For example, I
would love to be the Employee of the Month, but I'd love even more to be
Employee of the Year. I'd be happy with the former, but truly excited about
the latter.

It is my humble opinion that nonarmigerous awards should make up the vast
majority of those awarded. Additionally, I might set a soft approximation of
how many of a certain award I wish to present at a given event or in a given
month/year ("soft" because I wouldn't exclude someone who was deserving
simply because I hit that number). That would help maintain the relative
value of, and prestige associated with, a given award.

Humble Regards,
Gudze O'Domhnaill

P.S. I will be weighing in on the event number issue, after I catch up on
reading everyone else's replies. :)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C. L. Ward" <gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 00:39
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events


> > Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry
> > an AoA did I not?  The  comet,thistle and AoA
> > are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local
> > awards that carry AoA's. ie The Firebrand of
> >Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
> > Pieter
>
> Pieter, not all local awards carry AoAs.  The Bjornsborg Firebrands, at
> least when they started, did not, although the Ursae Majoris and later the
> Ursae Australis did. A barony can have as many (or as few) nonarmigerous
> awards as they want.
>
> And, as for what you do about local awards you'd like to give at these
> non-calendar events, is the Crown can read 'em into law at any Crown
court -
> for which one does not have to have the whole kingdom present.  I'd think
> that the Crown could summon a few witnesses into Their camp a little ahead
> of Group X's noncalendar event, open Their Court, read the scrolls into
law,
> Close Court, and send the awards via messenger (or FedEx, etc.) to Group X
> to be duly presented with much publich hoorah and rejoicing at the
> non-calendar event.
>
> But, honest-to-goshen, "having an event so we can give out awards" has
gotta
> be the worst reason for holding an event I have ever heard in my life.
The
> awards can't be all we're here for... surely some folks have got to be
doing
> cool stuff in the SCA because they think it's neat, or fun, etc.  Awards
are
> the cherry set atop the ice cream and hot fudge on the sundae... nice, but
> not, after all, what you paid $3 for at the Dairy Queen.
>
> On a related but slightly tangent topic, one thing that just kind of took
me
> by surprise the other day was hearing that some people got offended if
they
> didn't get their awards in evening court because they felt that somehow
they
> had been given less of an honor.  By my lights, an award given to me
doesn't
> mean that I have had an Honor!! bestowed upon me by the Crown (though that
> is part of it).  Rather, the Big Deal of an award is that friends,
> colleages, and other people doing some of the same stuff I do in the SCA
> thought I was doing something neat enough for recognition.  The Crown may
or
> may not really know every person to whom They grant an award... but the
> Crown does know that the person being given the award has in some way
> impressed the people who recommended the recipient for that award.
>
> I personally enjoy it when the Crown convenes court on the listfield, or
at
> the archery range, or on the dancefloor, and grants an award to a person
> witnessed by the members of that person's SCA community... We may each
live
> in a given barony or shire or canton, but each of has one or more
> "communities" with whom we play, be it chivalric combat, A&S, archery,
> equestrian, rapier, the kitchen crew, etc. and I feel it is very special
to
> get an award in some of these "communities" with the folks we play with in
> these venues witnessing, at least or even more special than it is to get
one
> in one's local SCA group's big evening court.
>
> Over last weekend, I heard the opinion voiced that compared to some other
> kingdoms, Ansteorra gives out "too many" awards and that consequently
> they're not as highly valued here as they might be elsewhere.  That was a
> very different belief than one I'd ever encountered, but it was one that
> made me think.  I do have to giggle when I envision the chaos and riot
that
> would ensue if it were suddenly announced that half of the awards
currently
> given in Ansteorra were to be permanently retired and that the remaining
> ones would be given out half as often than before...  but certainly it
would
> make courts shorter, and you wouldn't have to worry about no awards being
> given at noncalendar events, lol!
>
> ::GUNNVOR::
>
> Insomnia.  *sigh* It leads to waxing elephants.
>
>
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From gudze at pagancow.org  Wed Aug 20 00:39:36 2003
From: gudze at pagancow.org (Gudze O'Domhnaill)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com> <3F4317B8.2080700@earthlink.net>
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As promised, I'm weighing in. Okay, so I'm a lightweight, but I'm one who
can type. :)

On the topic of Barony vs. Shire (et al):

I agree with the new proposed numbers of Calendar events per year.As someone
said, Baronies worked hard to become such, and typically have more people
than the shires, cantons, etc. Instead of using this proposal to further
divide our weekends, we (the people of Ansteorra) should band together to
make the events that ARE held that much more spectacular, as someone said.

On the topic of Money:

This is a waste of a topic. Yes, money is an unavoidable concern for
thriving organizations. However, to make this a prime argument against the
event limits counters the reason we have events (as someone said). In my
humble opinion, the events that should be listed are the ones that come with
a lot of hoo-hah; events that would make people want to travel cross-kingdom
just to be there. Start holding events like that that, and the money will
take care of itself (as long as someone keeps an eye on it).

On the topic of Barony-Shire Cooperation:

I can see no reason why a barony couldn't hold an event with participation
from the neighboring shires and cantons one weekend, and for a shire to do
the same with the support of a barony on another weekend. There is no need
to compete with your neighbors for weekends and money. With some good
planning and cooperation, this problem will work itself out.

On the topic of Splitting the Kingdom:

I would certainly hate to see Ansteorra split, especially since Ansteorra
has a long history and a lot of people in every corner that wouldn't want to
live anywhere else. However, I can see this as an opportunity as well. It
could be an opportunity for unprecedented inter-kingdom relations. I don't
know how often kingdoms split, but I'd think it would make for a great
chance for two siter kingdoms to possibly accomplish what one couldn't alone
(not referring to anything specific, just trying to whet some imaginations).

On the topic of Information Dissemination:

It is my opinion that each region (to include as least one barony or other
group having landed nobles that are "in the loop") should hold meetings.
Representatives from each group would attend, and anything that happens on
the BOD or Kingdom level that isn't advertised very much would be told to
them. This would also be a great time to plan inter-group events. :)

On the topic of Viruses (or virii, if you prefer):

They stink.

Okay, I need some caffeine. Anyone who disagrees, please do comment to the
list or to me privately. I'm happy to discuss and defend (and, if necessary,
change my mind about) anything I've said. However, I have a feeling that
this post is basically a summary of the topics presented already, with a
little of my own flavor. Thank you all who read this far!

Humble Regards,
Gudze O'Domhnaill




From cnetterville at ih2000.net  Wed Aug 20 04:26:39 2003
From: cnetterville at ih2000.net (charles netterville)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:26:39 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Symantec Security Response - W32.Sobig.F@mm
Message-ID: <000901c3670d$febada00$7e6222d1@g1w3z6>

I'm not sure who it is, but I've been sent this virus sixty or more times this morning alone. Please take a moment to run a scan on your computer to see if you are infected. If so, this link contains a patch. Thanks, Chuck

 http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.f at mm.html

From PKieferjr at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 05:46:05 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:46:05 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
Message-ID: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2003 12:47:41 AM Central Daylight Time, 
j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:
We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
I think it's safe to say that Estrella, Gulf and Pennsic are significant 
enough to be included (I hadn't even heard about those other two mentioned; 
definitely a first for me).

Lord Johann (Paul)


From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Wed Aug 20 06:13:34 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:13:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com>
References: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1061385214.3f4373fef15eb@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Disclaimer : The numbers I provided were meant for a quick reference so they 
aren't 100% accurate.  However, I can state that the numbers and percentages 
won't change very much even if one were to be more meticulous.

Gulf War was included, the rest were not.  Again, I dealt with events that were 
strictly Ansteorran or that Ansteorra was a principal (such as Gulf War).

As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how many 
Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious and, while it 
does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic, I'd suggest any 
responses have the thread renamed to something like "Estrella attendance" 
or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in knowing what the numbers are like.
Feel free to post to me privately.

Ansgar

Quoting PKieferjr at aol.com:

> In a message dated 8/20/2003 12:47:41 AM Central Daylight Time, 
> j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:
> We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to
> how 
> many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for
> our 
> purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
> I think it's safe to say that Estrella, Gulf and Pennsic are significant
> 
> enough to be included (I hadn't even heard about those other two
> mentioned; 
> definitely a first for me).
> 
> Lord Johann (Paul)
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From rixende at mail2noble.com  Wed Aug 20 06:24:52 2003
From: rixende at mail2noble.com (Jhan Knebel)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:24:52 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <1df4d01c3671e$702fda90$0a0b010a@mail2world.com>

This year, Diamond Wars is opposite Elfsea Defender (as it has been in
many years past) on the last weekend in September.

Rixende

<-----Original Message-----> 
From: IagoAH at aol.com
Sent: 8/19/2003 11:14:59 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?

In a message dated 8/19/03 9:42:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
gilli at hot.rr.com 
writes:


> Diamond Wars???
> 
> Where and when is that??
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.

September or October, I think, in Arkansas.

Iago
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From DAFPIG at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 06:56:27 2003
From: DAFPIG at aol.com (DAFPIG at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:56:27 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Combat Archery on a lighter note
Message-ID: <178.1ef99644.2c74d80b@aol.com>

Greeting all, 

I wrote the below piece about 5 years ago, It seems to be the perfect time
to resurrect it ( with a few minor changes) as the melee season is about to 
begin.  Ansteorra needs
more combat archers,,,come on out and have a good time:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

Well, its that time of the year again. The weather is starting to cool 
down(maybe) and the roars and grunts of the fighters can be hear echoing 
through the wood and fields. Once again it is archery season. I have put 
together a few tips for those of you hunting these extordinary creatures for 
the first time. 

1. Baiting: the use of an object/s to encourage your prey to come to you. 

A. Heavy Fighters: The best bait for these massive animals is the use 
of decoys. They cannot seem to resist the clashing and banging around of 
thier own kind. When they see other fighters fighting, they tend to rush 
headlong to join them. If you don't have access to such decoys, try spreading 

some bright shiny objects around such as stainless steel gaunlets or a shiny 
helm, using long peices as ratten is also effective. Heavy fighters are 
drawn to such things as these. 

B. Light fighters: Oh, the rare and elusive light fighter, We usually 
don't hunt these graceful creatures because of thier rarity. They don't seem 
drawn to the noise of others fighting. So I have found that to effectively 
bait them into range, one must use other objects to entice them. The use of 
a few yards of expensive trim or lace seems to work, What always does the job 

though, is the sight of very sharp, fancy clothing. This approach has never 
failed me yet. 

2. Choosing your hunting Terrain: have a working knowledge of the terrain you 

will be hunting in. 

A. Open field: The open fields are the most common area to find both 
heavy and light game. This is the area they perfer to engage in their ritual 
combat. Because of the lack of ready cover, an archer must stay alert and on 
thier toes at all times. Being spotted by one of these fierce creatures can 
be dangerous. 

B. Bridges: For some unkown reason, Heavy fighters tend to gather at 
bridges. They strive to reach the other side, push and fighting thier way 
through. Ironically, it doesn't seem to matter which side they start from, as 

long as they end up on the opposite bank. It is here that we archers revel in 

the ease of the kill. Often it is too easy to bag your limit and only the 
fact 
that your quiver is empty do you stop. 

3. Types of archery equipment: What tips to use, and when. 

A. There are ,of course, a multitude of tips avaliable this season, the 
Markland, Thistle and several types of Baldar blunts. We won't be discussing 
the 
disgusting golf tube thingys. Remember, Heavy fighters are encased in an 
armor-like skin. The thickness of this pelt varies with each individual. I 
usually start with a fine Markland tip or perhaps a baldar blunt for average 
game. I switch to my Thistle tips ,at close range, when I encounter thicker 
pelted fighters. Often these massive animals are unable to feel that they are 

dying, stuck on the end of a wonderful shot. It is during these times, One 
should verbally remind them of this fact. Often a POLITE verbal reminder will 
do the 
job. 

B. +++ Special note for the lighter game. Use only the foam covered 
Marklands to hunt this prey. These animals tend to be VERY thin pelted and 
are usually easily damaged. 

4. Safety tips: when to run like heck. 

A. A combat archer must ALWAYS be on thier toes and aware of what is 
going on. For some reason, most of the massive heavy prey hate archers on 
site and will go to extreme measures to kill us. Upon sighting archery 
equipment, Heavy fighters tend to foam and fleck at the mouth, in a desperate 

attempt to stop us. So be aware. One way to avoid such encounters when being 
chased by these lumbering mammonths, is to run directly into another group of 

heavies. This tends to confuse the pursuing fighter and they usually stop to 
fight with the heavies you are hiding among. If you are caught out in the 
open with no means of escape, Fall to the ground or your knees yelling "I 
YEILD". This has 2 effects on these animals. 1st, they stop their headlong 
charge on you and 2nd, instead of whompen you, they tend to just tap you. I 
don't know if they are confused by the yelling or the falling to the ground. 

Well, These are all the tips I have for now. The season is opening for a 
majority of us next weekend at Gothic Wars. Come on out if you can and go 
hunting with us. 

Countess Octavia 




From gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu  Wed Aug 20 06:56:18 2003
From: gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Gail Taylor)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:56:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
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	<1061358296.3f430ad8a1c96@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
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Are we including Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving as viable potential 
event weekends?  

IGH

j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

>Apologies for that last post.
>
>Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current month, 
>which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>
>
>As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella, Pennsic, etc 
>as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals (like 
>Gulf War)
>
>For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :
>
>(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know there were 
>some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers down.  The 
>Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)
>
>83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
>47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events per 
>weekend.
>If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events over 43 
>weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.
>
>Breakdown by number of events per weekend :
>
>5 weekends - no events
>19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
>21 weekends - 2 events
>6 weekends - 3 events
>1 weekend - 4 events
>
>I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the Blackstars I 
>have readily available, if needed<G>
>
>We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
>many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
>purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
>
>Ansgar
>(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)
>
>
>Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:
>
>  
>
>>Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
>>
>>While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
>>that
>>all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
>>scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
>>scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
>>scheduled
>>events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
>>events
>>are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
>>next
>>twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
>>
>>Margaret
>>
>>****************************************
>>Countess Margaret ny Connor
>>Barony of the Steppes
>>Kingdom of Ansteorra
>>****************************************
>>
>>"And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink
>>as
>>friends."  W. Shakespeare.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
>>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
>>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>>Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the
>>sky
>>is falling in!"
>>
>><much, much snippage>
>>
>>::GUNNVOR::
>>
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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 07:06:06 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:06:06 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000a01c366c7$7c1853c0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3F4339FE.22831.686E21@localhost>

On 19 Aug 2003 at 22:02, Bob Dewart wrote:

> Thing is, folks WANT to be ANSTEORRAN.  Go figure.  :)
> 
> Gilli


How about the Principality of North Ansteorra and the Principality of South Ansteorra? 
We already  have a precedent with many of the states of the US. (Dakotas, Carolinas)


Giggle, Not serious.

Claire 


From morgancain at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 07:15:37 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:15:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events
Message-ID: <003301c36725$921b0100$eeeff5d1@homeseries>

Gunnora said:

> But, honest-to-goshen, "having an event so we can give out awards"
> has gotta be the worst reason for holding an event I have ever heard
> in my life.  The awards can't be all we're here for... surely some folks
> have got to be doing cool stuff in the SCA because they think it's neat,
> or fun, etc.  Awards are the cherry set atop the ice cream and hot
> fudge on the sundae... nice, but not, after all, what you paid $3 for
> at the Dairy Queen.

I have to agree (especially as I prefer the cherry-dip myself <g>).  I got my first award in A.S. XXII or something like that (it was a long time ago, and I've slept since then), and if I wore all the medallions I've received since then I'd just clank.  They'd get in the way when I try to do things, so most reside in a pretty little box at home that if I am thinking about it, perhaps once in every couple years or so I actually remember to take to an event so I might wear them for sitting around in court if I think about it.  In my case, the awards *do* get in the way of fun, at least in a fairly literal physical sense.

I think it may depend upon when you started, and where, and who was around you at the time.  If they make a big hairy deal about awards, then it's all you can think about.  If they focus on Having Fun And Doing Shtuff, then you focus on that too.  I ended up in a group that had the latter attitude, and I guess it has affected my outlook.  I remember the group to the north of us (it was in a different kingdom far away from here) was very award-hungry and sometimes they would look down on us for not having slews of awards and big courts at our events.  We thought their focus was wrong, because they always thought about activities and events only in terms of what they could do towards getting awards, not in terms of how they could have fun and make fun for other people.

It did make our events easier, because we had an unwritten agreement that they got all the Royalty and courts, with a few minor exceptions every once in a couple years or so.  We cheerfully dragged people to their events to get awards if needed.  That way, our events could have a lot more fighting and dancing and entertainment, which we enjoyed more.  They got all the pomp and royal sucking-up they enjoyed.  Think of that as an alternative to having on-calendar, award-giving events - what fits your group's personality?  Can you work out something with a nearby group that likes having court?

> Over last weekend, I heard the opinion voiced that compared
> to some other kingdoms, Ansteorra gives out "too many" awards
> and that consequently they're not as highly valued here as they
> might be elsewhere.

It was interesting to see the comment.  Did they mean that Ansteorra has more awards than other Kingdoms, or that they are given out with less provocation?  There's a big difference.  I've seen awards created to recognize things that don't fit into any other category, which can then give encouragement to the persons doing that art/skill, as well as those who might come into it later.  This is not necessarily a bad thing, especially as the Society grows and we add activities that twenty or thirty years ago were not done.

I have to admit, one of the hardest awards I've gotten was given for an art I wasn't practicing.  As a result, I've felt forced to do the art, and teach other people to do it, when I'm not really interested in that.  It's been a learning experience, but it's also an unpleasant weight.  This made me feel the other way, that awards are given with too little justification.  It's uncomfortable to have to earn an award after it is given.

My tuppence,

                                        ---= Morgan Cain  *

* the little one from Steppes

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
" There is no key to happiness. The door is always open. "  (Unknown)
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)

From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Wed Aug 20 07:26:55 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:26:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <3F437E02.9060308@lonestar.utsa.edu>
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	<1061358296.3f430ad8a1c96@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
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In most cases, there aren't any events Christmas weekend.  It's about a 50/50 
shot, from what I can tell as to having an event scheduled Thanksgiving 
weekend.  There is almost always an event on Easter weekend.

I'll try to list the weekends that I didn't find events for last year and the 
current year.  I've got all the data at home.

Ansgar

Quoting Gail Taylor <gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>:

> Are we including Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving as viable potential 
> event weekends?  
> 
> IGH
> 
> j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:
> 
> >Apologies for that last post.
> >
> >Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current
> month, 
> >which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>
> >
> >As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella,
> Pennsic, etc 
> >as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals
> (like 
> >Gulf War)
> >
> >For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :
> >
> >(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know
> there were 
> >some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers
> down.  The 
> >Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)
> >
> >83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
> >47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events
> per 
> >weekend.
> >If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events
> over 43 
> >weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.
> >
> >Breakdown by number of events per weekend :
> >
> >5 weekends - no events
> >19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
> >21 weekends - 2 events
> >6 weekends - 3 events
> >1 weekend - 4 events
> >
> >I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the
> Blackstars I 
> >have readily available, if needed<G>
> >
> >We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as
> to how 
> >many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for
> our 
> >purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
> >
> >Ansgar
> >(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)
> >
> >
> >Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
> >>
> >>While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
> >>that
> >>all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> >>scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months
> of
> >>scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
> >>scheduled
> >>events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
> >>events
> >>are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
> >>next
> >>twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
> >>
> >>Margaret
> >>
> >>****************************************
> >>Countess Margaret ny Connor
> >>Barony of the Steppes
> >>Kingdom of Ansteorra
> >>****************************************
> >>
> >>"And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and
> drink
> >>as
> >>friends."  W. Shakespeare.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> >>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
> >>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >>Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
> >>
> >><snip>
> >>
> >>My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little,
> the
> >>sky
> >>is falling in!"
> >>
> >><much, much snippage>
> >>
> >>::GUNNVOR::
> >>
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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 07:30:23 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:30:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
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On 20 Aug 2003 at 8:13, j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

> As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how
> many Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious
> and, while it does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic,
> I'd suggest any responses have the thread renamed to something like
> "Estrella attendance" or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in
> knowing what the numbers are like. Feel free to post to me privately.
> 
> Ansgar
> 
I am not sure the simple quantity of Ansteorrans in attendance is all there is to consider. 
We often have agreements, formal or otherwise with allies in these other kingdoms. 
That often means at least that our Royalty will be in attendance, meaning that while they 
are out of kingdom we cannot hold any royal court events, unless we have Heirs still at 
home. 

So it impacts us. I would like to see events like Estrella War and others listed on the 
Kingdom Calendar and noted as such as a Convenience not as a Kingdom Scheduled 
event just to assist my planning. 

I may want to hold an event during Pennsic but I also want to be sure I am not counting 
on the Crown to attend. I can't always remember those dates in relation to our calendar. 


Claire 


From PKieferjr at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 07:47:13 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:47:13 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
Message-ID: <36.465f8fe8.2c74e3f1@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2003 9:03:28 AM Central Daylight Time, 
gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu writes:
Are we including Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving as viable potential 
event weekends?  

IGH

j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

>Apologies for that last post.
>
>Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current 
month, 
>which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>
>
>As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella, Pennsic, 
etc 
>as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals (like 
>Gulf War)
>
>For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :
>
>(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know there 
were 
>some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers down.  
The 
>Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)
>
>83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
>47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events per 
>weekend.
>If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events over 
43 
>weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.
>
>Breakdown by number of events per weekend :
>
>5 weekends - no events
>19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
>21 weekends - 2 events
>6 weekends - 3 events
>1 weekend - 4 events
>
>I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the Blackstars 
I 
>have readily available, if needed<G>
>
>We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
>many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
>purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
>
>Ansgar
>(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)



Wouldn't count on having any events Christmas, Thanksgiving or New Year's

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From swhite at Pegasus-International.com  Wed Aug 20 07:55:45 2003
From: swhite at Pegasus-International.com (Sandra White)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:55:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] event limits - sampling technique
Message-ID: <251FC9010DCAD711B86F00A0C9E92C3F0AD7FE@10mail.deltacom.net>

>From a technical standpoint, I would like to point out a couple of flaws in
this math.
 
1)    The on-line calendar is unofficial.
2)    Many events won't go onto the calendar a year in advance.
 
I propose instead that we look at the last year's worth of Black Stars on a
month by month basis. I think we'll find very different results.
 
Kind Regards,
 
Clara von Ulm
(Who has run into the "unable to get an event date" syndrome, as a member of
a Barony.)
 
P.S. As I have been rapidly reading the many, many messages since this post,
I see that Countess Margaret brought this up as well.
 
 
Ansgar wrote:
> If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
(Christmas,
> Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That 
> brings
the
> number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
>
> The breakdown is :
>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
 
 


From karolus at gte.net  Wed Aug 20 10:02:14 2003
From: karolus at gte.net (Karolus)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:02:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
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I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf, but
I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think we
had the 8 in the rental car at War.

Karolus
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events


> On 20 Aug 2003 at 8:13, j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:
>
> > As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how
> > many Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious
> > and, while it does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic,
> > I'd suggest any responses have the thread renamed to something like
> > "Estrella attendance" or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in
> > knowing what the numbers are like. Feel free to post to me privately.
> >
> > Ansgar
> >
> I am not sure the simple quantity of Ansteorrans in attendance is all
there is to consider.
> We often have agreements, formal or otherwise with allies in these other
kingdoms.
> That often means at least that our Royalty will be in attendance, meaning
that while they
> are out of kingdom we cannot hold any royal court events, unless we have
Heirs still at
> home.
>
> So it impacts us. I would like to see events like Estrella War and others
listed on the
> Kingdom Calendar and noted as such as a Convenience not as a Kingdom
Scheduled
> event just to assist my planning.
>
> I may want to hold an event during Pennsic but I also want to be sure I am
not counting
> on the Crown to attend. I can't always remember those dates in relation to
our calendar.
>
>
> Claire
> _______________________________________________
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> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>



From cellach at breezykilt.com  Wed Aug 20 10:46:38 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:46:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
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Speaking of Estrella, the wife and I are starting to plan for it next year.
She'll be 6 months preggers, so, it'll be hotel city for us.  I have friends
from Caid that attend each year.  It'll be good to see them and to scream
"Ansteorra!" at them all week long.  I've never gone, so, if you have some
tips for us, we'd appreciate it!

As far as the Ansteorra contingent is concerned, we must be aligned and make
ourselves known!

In Service,
Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karolus" <karolus at gte.net>
To: <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>; "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
<ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events


> I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf,
but
> I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think
we
> had the 8 in the rental car at War.
>
> Karolus
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events
>
>
> > On 20 Aug 2003 at 8:13, j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:
> >
> > > As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how
> > > many Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious
> > > and, while it does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic,
> > > I'd suggest any responses have the thread renamed to something like
> > > "Estrella attendance" or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in
> > > knowing what the numbers are like. Feel free to post to me privately.
> > >
> > > Ansgar
> > >
> > I am not sure the simple quantity of Ansteorrans in attendance is all
> there is to consider.
> > We often have agreements, formal or otherwise with allies in these other
> kingdoms.
> > That often means at least that our Royalty will be in attendance,
meaning
> that while they
> > are out of kingdom we cannot hold any royal court events, unless we have
> Heirs still at
> > home.
> >
> > So it impacts us. I would like to see events like Estrella War and
others
> listed on the
> > Kingdom Calendar and noted as such as a Convenience not as a Kingdom
> Scheduled
> > event just to assist my planning.
> >
> > I may want to hold an event during Pennsic but I also want to be sure I
am
> not counting
> > on the Crown to attend. I can't always remember those dates in relation
to
> our calendar.
> >
> >
> > Claire
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ansteorra mailing list
> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> >
>
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From zubeydah at northkeep.org  Tue Aug 19 23:37:21 2003
From: zubeydah at northkeep.org (Zubeydah the Wanderer)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:37:21 +0600
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: OOK Wars/Events
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Three attended from Northkeep... myself, Marcus Quietly, and Lynn the 
Inquisitive. 

 -zubeydah 

 


Karolus writes: 

> I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf, but
> I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think we
> had the 8 in the rental car at War. 
> 
> Karolus



From morgancain at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 12:04:06 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (morgancain at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:04:06 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
Message-ID: <265000-2200383201946936@M2W049.mail2web.com>

I thought there were only six of us there - Chiara, Big Morgan, Master Etc.
Modius, and Their Majesties - because excepting Morgan (whom Chiara saw
elsewhere) there were only five of us in court, and I didn't see any other
specifically Ansteorran people there that I recall.

I guessed there were more when I saw more than the two of us (Chiara and
myself) listed on the volunteer posting post-war.  If you saw a waterbearer
in an Ansteorran tabard at Estrella this past year, it was one of us.

I think the reason we-all didn't think the others were there is that unlike
last year, there wasn't a specifically Ansteorran Camp onsite.

                             ---= Morgan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Three attended from Northkeep... myself, Marcus Quietly,
> and Lynn the Inquisitive. 
>
> -zubeydah 
>
> Karolus writes: 
>
> I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf,
but
> I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think
> we had the 8 in the rental car at War. 
> 
> Karolus

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From lg_photo at texas.net  Wed Aug 20 12:26:59 2003
From: lg_photo at texas.net (Alice Morrow Harris)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:26:59 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
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PKieferjr at aol.com wrote:

> I
> I'm basically looking at this as "we've become overwhelmed that we can't do
> things efficiently or effectively within the current structure without coming
> up short somewhere", so we add another layer of sorts.  One would have to
> acknowledge that someone can't be everywhere they'd like to be (i.e., Crown, et.al.),
> so another layer, in the form of a coronet principality, delegated certain duties when
> the monarchy cannot be there in person.  Sort of like a "stand-in" (although a noble is
> supposed to do this as well).
>

Greetings From Alina:

If it's the issue of not having the crown coming to the events of shire & canton so the
local populace can recieve awards, I thought there was something already in place. I'm
mentioning that the nearest barony's baron and/or baroness to the group giving out the
awards for the Crown. I think I heard mention of that at the last Red Tape meeting and in
the past.

Alina




From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Wed Aug 20 12:34:09 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:34:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
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Quoting PKieferjr at aol.com:

> Wouldn't count on having any events Christmas, Thanksgiving or New
> Year's
> 
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)

Going back and answering Isobel's question :


For the years 99-02 :
   There were no events on Christmas weekend
   There were events on 2 Thanksgiving weekends
   There were events on 3 New Year's weekends

For the years 98-01 & 03 :
   There were events on all of the Easter weekends.

So pretty much, like I said, almost no events on Christmas, about 50/50 for 
Thanksgiving, and almost all Easters have events.

Ansgar



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From dmriney at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 13:11:46 2003
From: dmriney at earthlink.net (Don and Monica)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:11:46 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income -= Holiday Events
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There are many a holiday weekend that my family and I have choosen to go to
an event.  Thanksgiving is one of the best times due to the Turkey being
done on Thursday, eat left overs on Friday - go to an event and escape the
family on Saturday & Sunday.

Rosalia
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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income


> Quoting PKieferjr at aol.com:
>
> > Wouldn't count on having any events Christmas, Thanksgiving or New
> > Year's
> >
> > Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
>
> Going back and answering Isobel's question :
>
>
> For the years 99-02 :
>    There were no events on Christmas weekend
>    There were events on 2 Thanksgiving weekends
>    There were events on 3 New Year's weekends
>
> For the years 98-01 & 03 :
>    There were events on all of the Easter weekends.
>
> So pretty much, like I said, almost no events on Christmas, about 50/50
for
> Thanksgiving, and almost all Easters have events.
>
> Ansgar
>
>
>
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From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 20 13:21:19 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:21:19 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>

That is my point. If you don't put in a bid, you cannot be considered to 
host a Kingdom level event.

I am still very new to all of this so my misunderstanding was that only 
large groups like Baronies and such would be awarded Kingdom events since 
they had the people and the money to pull it off. A smaller group like a 
canton or shire would be overlooked. Boy was I wrong. And glad of it.

I had always thought that groups were clamoring to host a Kingdom event. 
What better way to be assured the Crown would be there. That alone should 
boost attendance for an event. Now I have found out that groups are not 
bidding on Kingdom events.

To me this is an opportunity missed. It is also a great way for a new 
autocrat to get their feet wet so to speak. Supply a site, host gate, 
provide a meal and follow the crowns instructions. How tuff is that?
What is holding groups back from bidding on Kingdom events? You don't even 
have to fight the calendar.

Respectfully,
Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor




>From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:13:22 -0500
>
>My understanding is that the Tor was the only one that bid on it.
>
>Gilli
>Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Miss Pict" <lady_pict2 at hotmail.com>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:48 PM
>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> > I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on
>Kingdom
> > events.
> > The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor in the central region bid on Crown
>Tournament
> > in October. We never thought we had a chance. Low and behold our small
> > canton will be hosting the event.
> >
> > If you do not put in a bid. You cannot win it. Don't think you are too
>small
> > to try. This will be a whole new experience for us to learn from, and I
>for
> > one am excited about it.
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> > Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
> > ><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> > >To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> > >Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> > >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
> > >
> > >On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
> > ><snip>
> > >  All this does in my opinion
> > > > is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of 
>a
> > > > second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to 
>gain
> > > > the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> > > > given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would 
>allow
> > > > those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep 
>them
> > > > functioning.
> > > >
> > > > Eirik
> > >
> > >
> > >Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at
>the
> > >next crown
> > >tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship
> > >tournament. I
> > >would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many
> > >interesting places to
> > >go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put 
>together
> > >or staff since
> > >the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by
>someone
> > >on the
> > >kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That 
>is
>a
> > >great chance to
> > >shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that
> > >might or might not
> > >have been well staffed.
> > >
> > >Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should
>be
> > >post
> > >Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember
> > >that
> > >Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to 
>do
> > >was book a
> > >site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and
>running
> > >the list usually
> > >had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and
> > >Crown areas
> > >were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the 
>events
> > >were
> > >already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it 
>was
>at
> > >the request
> > >of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that
>was
> > >easy to
> > >coordinate.
> > >
> > >Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few 
>if
> > >any bids
> > >to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event
>ahead
> > >of time. I
> > >suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other
>large
> > >group because
> > >it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute 
>event.
> > >
> > >If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two
>and
> > >have
> > >volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything
> > >concrete you are half
> > >way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown.
>You
> > >can often
> > >reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full
> > >refund if you
> > >cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament 
>and
> > >then
> > >cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still
> > >several months
> > >ahead.
> > >
> > >I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. 
>So
> > >is time, so grab
> > >what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's
> > >event and make
> > >a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make
>the
> > >feast or serve
> > >the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a
> > >reviewing stand).
> > >
> > >Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful.
> > >
> > >Claire Shayhan
> > >_______________________________________________
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From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 13:38:19 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:38:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] event limits - sampling technique
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Sandra White wrote:

> Clara von Ulm
> (Who has run into the "unable to get an event date" syndrome, as a member of
> a Barony.)
>  
> P.S. As I have been rapidly reading the many, many messages since this post,
> I see that Countess Margaret brought this up as well.

And I posted the raw data for last year's events in another, related, 
thread.

--Perronnelle

-- 
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From zubeydah at northkeep.org  Wed Aug 20 01:50:03 2003
From: zubeydah at northkeep.org (Zubeydah the Wanderer)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:50:03 +0600
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>
References: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030820085003.959.qmail@vectra.stormreaver.net>

Could I ask.. and I'm not sure even who to direct the  question TO... but... 
have ANY bids been received for the 25th Anniversary of the Kingdom 
celebration? 

curiously in service, 


zubeydah the wanderer
Founding Member: Northern Regional Waterbearing & Cheerleading Squad
Creatrix of Evil Things Chocolately 

.. azure, an ewer bendwise within an orle argent..


From kaitlyn_mckenna at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 20 14:11:56 2003
From: kaitlyn_mckenna at hotmail.com (Kaitlyn McKenna)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:11:56 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re:event limits
Message-ID: <Law9-F115aBtr4RN9uK0006ff2e@hotmail.com>

Hmmm..on an up side:

1. Non-calendar events don't have to do NMS
2. The on-line calendar is unofficial..so any event could be listed there, 
"calendar" or not.

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From baroness_maleah at cox.net  Wed Aug 20 15:39:40 2003
From: baroness_maleah at cox.net (Maleah)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:39:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
References: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>
	<20030820085003.959.qmail@vectra.stormreaver.net>
Message-ID: <00af01c3676c$06232000$6400a8c0@banshee>

I know that Namron put in for it and have heard through the grapevine that
others have too, but we haven't heard anything back as of yet. I figured
Pennsic kinda took over and we'd hear something when everyone got back and
had a chance to look at the bids.

Maleah
Baroness of Namron

Zubeydah wrote:
> Could I ask.. and I'm not sure even who to direct the  question TO...
but...
> have ANY bids been received for the 25th Anniversary of the Kingdom
> celebration?




From dssweet at okstate.edu  Wed Aug 20 15:27:19 2003
From: dssweet at okstate.edu (Deborah Sweet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:27:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <OF5C085869.9A4FE148-ON86256D88.007222CD@okstate.edu>

Perronnelle said:
>If anyone want so to run the numbers, here's the raw data:
<big snip of data>

Wow. Thanks for that. Just what I wanted.

So after trying to torture the data until it confessed, here's what I came 
up with. It's entirely possible I missed something as I'm having trouble 
seeing well right now.

Of the 52 weekends, 5 *as listed* had no events - however, obviously one 
was Pennsic and one was Gulf Wars so I'll say 3 event-free weekends 
(Thanksgiving, closest prior to xmas, and the one prior to GW). So that's 
49 used weekends for events.

16 - weekends with 1 event (but let's add 2 for GW and Pennsic so it's - 
18)
28 - weekends with 2 events
1 - weekend with 3 events
1 - weekend with 4 events
1 - weekend with 5 events (but there was a question mark in the data so it 
probably was really a 4 event weekend)

That's a total of 86 events.

Taking out the four protected events, 82 events divided by 45 weekends is 
an average of 1.8 events per weekend. Or it could be said that 69% of the 
used weekends had at least two events and 31% of the used weekends had 
only one event.

Other Kingdom level events held last year were: two King's Round Tables, 
two Queen's Champions, King's College, Academy of the Bow, and Academy of 
the Rapier (according to the list of event titles and the list of "other 
Kingdom Events" from Kingdom law that is online). I've chosen to add 
Heraldic Symposium and Laurel's Prize Tourney to this list. [Other listed 
Kingdom level events may have been bundled up with other scheduled events, 
but were not indicated from the data that Perronnelle posted.] 

So of the 13 Kingdom events only three had at least one opposing event. Of 
the 13 baronial ped events, only one had no competition (only one guess 
what event that was).

If you look at the calendar by month, at least in 2002, the summer months 
of June, July, & August accounted for 9 single event weekends (out of 14 
possible weekends). Five of those nine events were kingdom level events. 
Of the remaining doubled-up weekends, all were in June except for one at 
the end of August. So July is a really unpopular month to hold events 
(like that needs saying).

(From here on down I'll use the sum of 84 events since GW & Pennsic aren't 
hosted by any of our internal groups.)

Baronies hosted 36 events - 13 peds, 4 kingdom events (both Crowns, Kings 
College & a Queen's Champion), and 19 other events. So each barony held an 
average of 2.76 events. 

Non-baronies (30 groups: 19 shires, 9 cantons, 2 colleges) hosted 48 
events - 9 kingdom level events and 39 others. Each non-barony held an 
average of 1.6 events. 

By region Coastal held the most with 22 events  - 26% of the events. 
Central was second with 20 events (24%). North was third with 16 events 
(19%); the South had 15 events (18%) and the West held 11 events (13%). Or 
in other words, Coastal & Central together held 50% of the events; and the 
North, South & West regions together held the other 50%.

Coastal Region had four Kingdom level events as did Central. The West and 
the North both had two kingdom level events and the South had only one.

So my conclusions are thus: Yah, the average is almost 2 events per 
weekend - that's full. Something needs to be done - my thoughts are to 
dock the baronies back to 2 events (ped + 1), just like the rest of us. 
Though I don't object strongly to the proposed change - Mooneschadowe has 
long struggled to find that "perfect" second event, be it theme, date on 
calendar or other. So for the past several years we've only had Guardian. 
However, we've put in bids for kingdom level events and got them (Heraldic 
Symposium, King's College, etc.) We've got one in now for KA&S.

Estrill
yah, another one of those opinionated Mooneschadeen


From cpenny at swbell.net  Wed Aug 20 15:35:12 2003
From: cpenny at swbell.net (Cairenn Day)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:35:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <1ab.1907c33f.2c7374e2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F43F7A0.FA0FD1A9@swbell.net>

I want to chime in with my 2 cents worth.  Steppes is one of the groups
that has three calendar events a year.  We do 12th Night, were there is
a large amount of Kingdom business transacted, we host Circles, Peerages
made (many are not local), The same problem exists at Steppes Warlord.
So far Artisan isn't quite as bad.  We have this problem, simply because
of location, if you live in the north (for example), and you have
friends in the south, the Steppes-Elfsea area will allow both groups to
attend your Peerage ceremony.  We don't mind hosting all of these
Kingdom items, but it takes away from the awards given to local people.
Artisan is our best opportunity to celebrate the people of our Barony.
If we take one event off calendar, then we (and the Kingdom) loses these
chances.  What I am the most afraid of, is that groups will end up
dropping their Arts events.  Many of these will be folded into their
fighting events, this was very common in the past.  It will lessen the
importance of the Arts, and what about the person who fights and does
beautiful artwork?  If they happen to be both a squire and a apprentice,
and their Knight and their Laurel want them to enter both?  We have just
started to get stand alone Arts events, that highlight our artists, I
don't want us to go back to the time of the "stick-jocks", when they
were known by everyone, but no one  realized that their lady was a
superb artist in herself.
Please excuse me if I have been too sharp in my comments, I'm nursing a
bad toothache.

Cairenn,  Artist and former (and hope to be again) "stick-jock"



From Fitzmorgan at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 15:41:09 2003
From: Fitzmorgan at aol.com (Fitzmorgan at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:41:09 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
Message-ID: <14c.2307cfd0.2c755305@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2003 3:46:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
zubeydah at northkeep.org writes:


> Could I ask.. and I'm not sure even who to direct the  question TO... 
> but... 
> have ANY bids been received for the 25th Anniversary of the Kingdom 
> celebration? 
> 
> curiously in service, 
> 
> 
> zubeydah the wanderer
> Founding Member: Northern Regional Waterbearing & Cheerleading Squad
> Creatrix of Evil Things Chocolately 
> 
> .. azure, an ewer bendwise within an orle argent..

       I know of Two bids.  One in the North and one in the Central Region.  
I'm not sure when the decision will be made.   

Robert


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 15:42:53 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:42:53 -0500
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <20030820041204.57932.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004101c3676c$a524ff20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

This, to me, sounds like lots of missed opportunities to let the next
generation of leaders get some experience.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:12 PM
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't
have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up
that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or
something else...
>
> A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone
you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if you
have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
> Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> wrote:
> Lisa Duke (arabella at elfsea.net) said something that sounded like:
> > Be very careful what you say Master Pug. Why should you dread going to
an
> > event because of "business being done"?
>
> Because of the old motto.
>
> When you stop having fun, stop doing it.
>
> The Peers of the Realm do a lot more "business" than what is seen at
> the King's Round Table. There is more "business" to the game of the
> SCA than what the officers do. Just ask the Laurels about judging
> sometime.
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 15:44:40 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:44:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <103.348660e2.2c745214@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004201c3676c$a5608180$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Did over half the Kingdom go to Pennisc?  Perhaps they do to Gulf War.  But
other than GW I wouldn't.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <PKieferjr at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> In a message dated 8/19/2003 10:42:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> lyonsden19 at att.net writes:
> should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?
> Considering the amount of attendence by Ansteorrans, that would be a big
> hearty "YES".
>
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From agillilan at swbell.net  Wed Aug 20 15:54:27 2003
From: agillilan at swbell.net (April Gillilan)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:54:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
In-Reply-To: <14c.2307cfd0.2c755305@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002801c3676e$02f06bc0$6701a8c0@PORTEGE>

A lot of people have been throwing around and computing wonderful numbers
and statistics on the number of events held in the kingdom over the past
years, and I would like to see some more.  :)

Is there anyone (or office) that has the numbers of what groups have bid on
what kingdom level events?  A lot of people are saying that kingdom level
events don't get bid on very much, and I would like to see if that is true,
or just another assumption.

Gilyan
Yep, that's right folks - an opinionated Mooneschadeen



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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 16:19:20 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:19:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <004101c3676c$a524ff20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030820231920.39243.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com>

Gilli,
 
Maybe I'm dull headed this evening...but I don't see how your comment relates to my comment...explain please
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
This, to me, sounds like lots of missed opportunities to let the next
generation of leaders get some experience.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" 
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:12 PM
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't
have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up
that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or
something else...
>
> A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone
you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if you
have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
> 

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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 16:34:14 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:34:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <OF5C085869.9A4FE148-ON86256D88.007222CD@okstate.edu>
Message-ID: <3F43BF26.26650.791D5D@localhost>

It occurs to me that the issue is far more complex than  just a crowded Kingdom 
calendar problem. 

Okay. Some few weekends had one or no events listed. That is not the only 
consideration. Not only is your event affected by the Kingdom calendar  and the 
proximity of other groups events, but also when any facilities are available. With facility 
rentals crowded and the Kingdom calendar crowded it can be VERY difficult to find a 
weekend that can work for your group. And sometimes there are other local conflicts. 
Many groups have annual events in their cities that are not SCA sponsored that they 
participate in, as they should, but that also provides conflicts. And as far apart as many 
of our groups are, we are still close enough to draw from the much of the same 
populations at the same time.

With the population increase of both the state and the SCA  facilities need to be bigger 
than in the past so that reduces the number of sites to choose from and then those sites 
are heavily used by other groups. I know that in Bryn Gwlad, we try to book Candlemas 
sites as much as 2 years in advance when they let us and we sometimes still have to  
argue for that PED weekend. And larger facilities cost more upfront as well. 

This increase in population is good for the SCA but it is straining  the resources of 
individual groups in the kingdom.  >IF< Ansteorra divided >right now< into two 
kingdoms, they would still be of a comparable size as far as numbers of groups goes, 
with other SCA kingdoms. That is why our calendar is more crowded than those 
kingdom's calendars. I just hope that our population size makes it possible for us to host 
successfully that many more events at a time.  

Disclaimer: I am not advocating Principalities at this time. This example is intended only 
for illustration and comparison purposes. 

This is such a complex issue there is no single elegant solution. But I am always in favor 
of Quality over Quantity. Traveling EVERY weekend is exhausting no matter how much I 
want to go to a particular event. 

Just more opinions from Claire .

On 20 Aug 2003 at 17:27, Deborah Sweet wrote:

> Perronnelle said:
> >If anyone want so to run the numbers, here's the raw data:
> <big snip of data>
> 
> Wow. Thanks for that. Just what I wanted.
> 
> So after trying to torture the data until it confessed, here's what I
> came up with. It's entirely possible I missed something as I'm having
> trouble seeing well right now.

>Lots of great and useful statics cut here.<


From uther at lcc.net  Wed Aug 20 17:52:14 2003
From: uther at lcc.net (mike young)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:52:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] events, awards, limits, oh my
Message-ID: <001c01c3677e$7cd8a960$502422d1@theparents>

I guess we have just never had enough awards to give here in Greywood that it took more than one event a year to give them all out . LOL!

Didn't this used to be the way it was anyway?
Or am I just mis-remembering?    The past twenty years just flew by so fast....

gwyneth
kingdom calendar secretary



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 20:25:15 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:25:15 -0500
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <20030820231920.39243.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007801c36793$d834d3a0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

You said, "more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun at
events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they end
up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something
else...".

Those crisis management or something else's might have just as easily been
taken care of by someone else, IF given the chance, opportunity or perhaps a
bit of guidance.   But as we have talked before, some folks just keep
jumping into the fire till they get a grumpy golden brown.  I guarantee you
that one of two things would have happened had that peer not been there: 1)
someone else would have taken care of it, or 2) folks would have just lived
with it.

Teaching is what we do, or at least I thought so.  That should also include
letting folks do what they have been tought or let them do on the job
training.

So, it was a self infected wound.  By their continuing to jump in the fire,
the deprived some one of the opportunity to feel the heat some to get use to
it.  Folks get use to haveing someone take care of things to the point the
one doing the taking care of walks off. That's a terrible loss, but it
dosen't seem to bring things to a hault nor change the nature of the beast.

To add to this sad fact of life, it's not just peers this sort of thing
happens to either.

Did that help?

Gilli

Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Gilli,
>
> Maybe I'm dull headed this evening...but I don't see how your comment
relates to my comment...explain please
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
> Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
> This, to me, sounds like lots of missed opportunities to let the next
> generation of leaders get some experience.
>
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "L T"
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:12 PM
> Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> > I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't
> have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up
> that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or
> something else...
> >
> > A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone
> you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if
you
> have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
> >
> > Lorraine DeerSlayer



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 20:31:51 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:31:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re:event limits
References: <Law9-F115aBtr4RN9uK0006ff2e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c36794$c426be40$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

That's not the case, or at least it wasn't.

For awhile there, they allowed my Archer's Revel (a non calendar event)
which was and is held the last weekend of November to be on the unofficial
calendar.

Then it was decide that if the event couldn't be placed on the offical
calendar in the Black Star, then it couldn't be on line calendar either.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kaitlyn McKenna" <kaitlyn_mckenna at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:11 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re:event limits


> Hmmm..on an up side:
>
> 1. Non-calendar events don't have to do NMS
> 2. The on-line calendar is unofficial..so any event could be listed there,
> "calendar" or not.
>
> kaitlyn
>
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From suzannebooth at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 20:42:48 2003
From: suzannebooth at yahoo.com (Suzanne Booth)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:42:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Farewell to Ansteorra
Message-ID: <20030821034248.93026.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings from HL Suzanne de la Fert? and Ld Angus de Botha!

Please forgive the bandwidth, but this is the quickest way to spread news of
our upcoming move to all of our friends in the Kingdom.  If you do not know us,
pleas feel free to delete this message without reading further.

Due to economic circumstances (Suzanne's job), we will be departing our beloved
Kingdom of Ansteorra for the Kingdom of Calontir (Barony of the Lonely Tower)
in a week and a half.  

Suzanne's consulting project ran out at the end of July and the consulting
company had no new project assignments foreseen until mid-October at the
earliest.  So ... a massive job search effort was rewarded with the offer of a
permanent position (no more consulting!) with a software firm in Omaha,
Nebraska, to start on September 2nd!  Angus will be receiving a transfer from
his company (O'Reilly Auto Parts) to Omaha, so his job is safe.

We will miss all of our dear friends that we have made here in Ansteorra much
more than you can ever know.  If you would like our forwarding address, please
contact us via Suzanne's email (SuzanneBooth at yahoo.com) and we will send you
the information poste haste!

Love,

Suzanne and Angus
Barony of Bjornsborg, Kingdom of Ansteorra



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From letebts at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 20:44:47 2003
From: letebts at earthlink.net (Elaine Crittenden)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:44:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Non-calendar courts
Message-ID: <E19pgOV-0004qY-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Inset in the "big picture":

Just musing back to a previous thread about people who talk during award
ceremonies and trying to connect it with the present thread...

There might be a correlation about local awards being given at big
events--ya don't know the recipient and ya can't hear, so there's no vested
interest in having an emotional bond with the awardee that would make the
awarding "special". That equals "boredom" with no "fast-forward" remote
control to speed things up until there's a part of the ceremonies that the
talker is bonded to. [Ahhh, the insidious "fallout" from modern
technologies....  ;-)  ]

Lete
Still a-thinkin'....





...............................
 Small local events
> are a great time to give out such awards because when you are at an event
> with mostly people from the local area it meens alot to the group. Giving
local
> awards at large events where lots of people are out of towners isn't as
> special. So thats my opinion as if anyone wanted it.
>
> Don Pieter Rausch
>


From letebts at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 20:55:44 2003
From: letebts at earthlink.net (Elaine Crittenden)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:55:44 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question
Message-ID: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

An impish little thought just jumped into my brain: 

Why couldn't a Barony which has an extra event date they don't want to use
barter the date to another group that wants a date and can't because of
limitations? I am thinking along the lines of politicians who have a certain
number of minutes to speak and yield part or all of the time the former is
alotted to another politician for the latter's use.

Next question:
Now just what could one barter for time? Hmmmmm. Interesting ponderance...

Lete
[Jes' thinkin'......... again.  ;-) ]
.....................

> I think that is a wonderful question.
>
> In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
> only two?
>
> Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?
>
> If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all three) that
> would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
>
> Gilli


From Lightfootcim at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 20:59:35 2003
From: Lightfootcim at aol.com (Lightfootcim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:59:35 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Mistress Lorraine Deerslayer
Message-ID: <144.1783aea0.2c759da7@aol.com>

Please forgive the bandwith, but would Mistress Lorrraine please contact me 
privately?

Thanks!

HL John Lightfoot


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 21:05:14 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:05:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question
References: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <002401c36799$70353be0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Hehehehehehehehe.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elaine Crittenden" <letebts at earthlink.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>; "Kingdom
of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:55 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question


> An impish little thought just jumped into my brain:
>
> Why couldn't a Barony which has an extra event date they don't want to use
> barter the date to another group that wants a date and can't because of
> limitations? I am thinking along the lines of politicians who have a
certain
> number of minutes to speak and yield part or all of the time the former is
> alotted to another politician for the latter's use.
>
> Next question:
> Now just what could one barter for time? Hmmmmm. Interesting ponderance...
>
> Lete
> [Jes' thinkin'......... again.  ;-) ]
> .....................
>
> > I think that is a wonderful question.
> >
> > In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial
groups
> > only two?
> >
> > Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?
> >
> > If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all three)
that
> > would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
> >
> > Gilli
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From rixende at mail2noble.com  Thu Aug 21 07:01:00 2003
From: rixende at mail2noble.com (Jhan Knebel)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:01:00 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] OT: SCAdian's Missing Son
Message-ID: <e535c01c367ec$a6d31520$2801010a@mail2world.com>


>More details and photo at website listed below.
>***********************
>
>From: "grainnechormaic" 
>Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:26:04 -0000
>Subject: [TY] SCAdian's missing son....please read
>
>My son, Nicholaus Kirkpatrick is missing. The last reliable sighting
>of him was at pre-registration some day (the registrar isn't sure
>which day) the week of July 15, 2003 at Watkins College in Nashville.
>
>Please visit the link
>http://www.geocities.com/find_nick_22/Find_Nick.html
>
>Please pass this link to everyone you know. If he is alive and for
>whatever reason has decided to "go walkabout", he may be in or headed
>for the California area.
>
>Thanks to all.
>
>Grainne inghean Chormaic (m.k.a. Karen Kirkpatrick)


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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 21 11:02:25 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:02:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Farewell to Ansteorra
In-Reply-To: <20030821034248.93026.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030821180225.28595.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>

Calontir is gaining some damn fine people!!!
 
Kief and I will miss you both!!!
 
Lorraine

Suzanne Booth <suzannebooth at yahoo.com> wrote:
Greetings from HL Suzanne de la Fert? and Ld Angus de Botha!

Please forgive the bandwidth, but this is the quickest way to spread news of
our upcoming move to all of our friends in the Kingdom. If you do not know us,
pleas feel free to delete this message without reading further.

Due to economic circumstances (Suzanne's job), we will be departing our beloved
Kingdom of Ansteorra for the Kingdom of Calontir (Barony of the Lonely Tower)
in a week and a half. 

Suzanne's consulting project ran out at the end of July and the consulting
company had no new project assignments foreseen until mid-October at the
earliest. So ... a massive job search effort was rewarded with the offer of a
permanent position (no more consulting!) with a software firm in Omaha,
Nebraska, to start on September 2nd! Angus will be receiving a transfer from
his company (O'Reilly Auto Parts) to Omaha, so his job is safe.

We will miss all of our dear friends that we have made here in Ansteorra much
more than you can ever know. If you would like our forwarding address, please
contact us via Suzanne's email (SuzanneBooth at yahoo.com) and we will send you
the information poste haste!

Love,

Suzanne and Angus
Barony of Bjornsborg, Kingdom of Ansteorra



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From dssweet at okstate.edu  Thu Aug 21 14:59:04 2003
From: dssweet at okstate.edu (Deborah Sweet)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:59:04 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <OF7FD23D85.81A60819-ON86256D89.006F8ABF@okstate.edu>

Claire said:
>With the population increase of both the state and the SCA  facilities 
need to be bigger 
>than in the past so that reduces the number of sites to choose from and 
then those sites 

Hold up there. While Texas may have had an increase in *their* state 
population, the same is not true of Oklahoma - we lost a US 
Representative. Therefore the rest that followed that statement may not be 
true up here.


>This increase in population is good for the SCA but it is straining  the 
resources of 
>individual groups in the kingdom.  >IF< Ansteorra divided >right now< 
into two 
>kingdoms, they would still be of a comparable size as far as numbers of 
groups goes, 
>with other SCA kingdoms. 

Well, not really, at least according the numbers that Perronnelle posted 
earlier about the number of groups in the other kingdoms. No one region in 
Ansteorra has as many groups as the smallest kingdom (by number of groups 
Atenveldt - 18). And even if we could somehow divide totally in half (21 
and 22 groups), that still would put both new kingdoms near the bottom of 
the rankings (ie, only Atenveldt (18) and Artemisia (19) would have fewer 
groups). Somehow I think the designator "small" is to be avoided when 
talking to Texans. :)

As an example of a viable principality (at least in the BoD's eyes), the 
Principality of Northshield will be going kingdom in October of this year 
- and they have 32 groups in their principality, already divided into 
three regions. And even with Northshield breaking away from the Middle, 
the Middle will still have the most number of groups with 86 (down from 
118). The next newest Kingdom, Lochac, has 35 groups. 

Right now Ansteorra ranks as the eighth most populous kingdom by comparing 
total number of groups. If you compared kingdoms by *percentage* number of 
baronial level groups, however, Ansteorra ranks number 3 with 30 percent 
of our groups baronial level (behind Atenveldt and Atlantia, 
respectively). We're number seven in percentages of Cantons with 21 
percent. And for percentages of shires, we're number 12 at 44 percent. The 
total averages by adding all kingdoms is: 21% baronial, 20% canton, 50% 
shire, and 11% other. As a kingdom, Ansteorra has: 30% baronial, 21% 
cantons, 44% shires, and 5% other. So we're baronial-heavy and a little 
light in shires and "other" groups (though probably if we sat down and 
counted up all the dormant colleges that might change a bit).

I'd really like to take the time and figure out the square miles (or some 
other logical number) covered by each kingdom, and the actual number of 
persons living there, and the number of persons per square mile, and 
compare kingdoms across the board to see which ones really are "large" or 
"small" for their areas, possible population, etc. Only then can real 
meaning be placed behind these numbers.

Estrill
continuously opinionated
 




From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Thu Aug 21 16:40:42 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <KBOCEPCBEMIKPGAA@mailcity.com>


I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.

Nell

------------------------------

I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you 
don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.

I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather 
have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than 
have 3 bland "formula" events.

Yours,
Michael Silverhands



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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Thu Aug 21 18:30:24 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:30:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
References: <KBOCEPCBEMIKPGAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3684c$fe6d8760$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

I believe that would be called a multi group event.  They are allowed.  But,
I think, you have to get Kingdom approval.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth Turner" <nellwynn0 at lycos.com>
To: "ansteorra list" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:40 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events


>
> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or
shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as a
required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the perfect
solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>
> Nell
>
> ------------------------------
>
> I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you
> don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.
>
> I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather
> have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than
> have 3 bland "formula" events.
>
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands
>
>
>
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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 21 20:05:12 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:05:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <007801c36793$d834d3a0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030822030512.3761.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com>



Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
>You said, "more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun at
>events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they >end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something
>else...".

>Those crisis management or something else's might have just as easily been
>taken care of by someone else, IF given the chance, opportunity or perhaps a
>bit of guidance.

People ARE given the chance...they have the chance everytime a problem comes up...they are just not confident enough or just don't want to deal with stuff so instead of following procedure, asking advice, or doing the research themselves...they run to an "authority" to handle it...

I'm not saying that there aren't situations that we need the immediate attention of authority for...anything dealing with legal issues needs to be taken to the chain of command immediately...

I'm talking about personality conflicts, timing issues, or even just discontent...

> But as we have talked before, some folks just keep
>jumping into the fire till they get a grumpy golden brown. I guarantee you
>that one of two things would have happened had that peer not been there: 1)
>someone else would have taken care of it, or 2) folks would have just lived
>with it.

I seem to understand from this comment that you think the Peers are jumping in without allowing others to take care of it...and I was coming from the direct opposite point of view...that people draw in the Peers too quickly at times...instead of working through things themselves...

and ya know...both viewpoints are valid...!

>Teaching is what we do, or at least I thought so. That should also include
>letting folks do what they have been tought or let them do on the job
>training.


Very true...and sometimes that means standing back and watching the "kids" make their mistakes and sometimes it means teaching by example...


>So, it was a self infected wound. By their continuing to jump in the fire,
>the deprived some one of the opportunity to feel the heat some to get use to
>it. Folks get use to haveing someone take care of things to the point the
>one doing the taking care of walks off. That's a terrible loss, but it
>dosen't seem to bring things to a hault nor change the nature of the beast.

In some ways it is a self perpetuating thing...but you might consider that any time a Peer walks away...they will be called down 7 ways to sunday about how they abrogated their responsibilities and cussed for being a "bad Peer"...tell ya what....I've got that T-Shirt...and unfortunately it is a large part of being a Peer...like being a parent...you have to be able to "fade the heat"...for your every action, non-action and reaction...you also have to figure out when to give advice, when to let the little birds fly...and when to walk away...not an easy thing...

>To add to this sad fact of life, it's not just peers this sort of thing
>happens to either.


I'm sure it even happens to Gillis ;-)


>Did that help?


It helped me...I really did not understand where you were coming from on that one...

Thanks for the response...


>Gilli

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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Thu Aug 21 20:22:04 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:22:04 -0500
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <20030822030512.3761.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3685c$90d27f20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Yep, it sure does happen to Gillis too.

People will say or do as they please.  Even as hard skined as I appear to
be, it is sometimes hard to ignore some things that are said and even
implied by the way they are said.  Some times I really do admire the outward
appearance politicans can give on personal attacks and the like.

But one should ask ones self, "If I walk away, who benifits?"

As it is true, that people will say and do as they please, they will also
have opinons and attitudes on various subjects. I'm not too sure any of
those have been changed on this list.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:05 PM
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


>
>
> Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
> >You said, "more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun
at
> >events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they
>end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something
> >else...".
>
> >Those crisis management or something else's might have just as easily
been
> >taken care of by someone else, IF given the chance, opportunity or
perhaps a
> >bit of guidance.
>
> People ARE given the chance...they have the chance everytime a problem
comes up...they are just not confident enough or just don't want to deal
with stuff so instead of following procedure, asking advice, or doing the
research themselves...they run to an "authority" to handle it...
>
> I'm not saying that there aren't situations that we need the immediate
attention of authority for...anything dealing with legal issues needs to be
taken to the chain of command immediately...
>
> I'm talking about personality conflicts, timing issues, or even just
discontent...
>
> > But as we have talked before, some folks just keep
> >jumping into the fire till they get a grumpy golden brown. I guarantee
you
> >that one of two things would have happened had that peer not been there:
1)
> >someone else would have taken care of it, or 2) folks would have just
lived
> >with it.
>
> I seem to understand from this comment that you think the Peers are
jumping in without allowing others to take care of it...and I was coming
from the direct opposite point of view...that people draw in the Peers too
quickly at times...instead of working through things themselves...
>
> and ya know...both viewpoints are valid...!
>
> >Teaching is what we do, or at least I thought so. That should also
include
> >letting folks do what they have been tought or let them do on the job
> >training.
>
>
> Very true...and sometimes that means standing back and watching the "kids"
make their mistakes and sometimes it means teaching by example...
>
>
> >So, it was a self infected wound. By their continuing to jump in the
fire,
> >the deprived some one of the opportunity to feel the heat some to get use
to
> >it. Folks get use to haveing someone take care of things to the point the
> >one doing the taking care of walks off. That's a terrible loss, but it
> >dosen't seem to bring things to a hault nor change the nature of the
beast.
>
> In some ways it is a self perpetuating thing...but you might consider that
any time a Peer walks away...they will be called down 7 ways to sunday about
how they abrogated their responsibilities and cussed for being a "bad
Peer"...tell ya what....I've got that T-Shirt...and unfortunately it is a
large part of being a Peer...like being a parent...you have to be able to
"fade the heat"...for your every action, non-action and reaction...you also
have to figure out when to give advice, when to let the little birds
fly...and when to walk away...not an easy thing...
>
> >To add to this sad fact of life, it's not just peers this sort of thing
> >happens to either.
>
>
> I'm sure it even happens to Gillis ;-)
>
>
> >Did that help?
>
>
> It helped me...I really did not understand where you were coming from on
that one...
>
> Thanks for the response...
>
>
> >Gilli
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
>
>
>
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From mtucker at airmail.net  Thu Aug 21 23:06:49 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:06:49 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
In-Reply-To: <KBOCEPCBEMIKPGAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <D121DC26-D466-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 06:40  PM, Beth Turner wrote:

>
> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or 
> shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as 
> a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the 
> perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>
> Nell
>

Au contraire, Madame! :-)

It is entirely acceptable for two or three groups of any sort - 
cantons, shires, baronies, mix-and-match - to do an event together. If 
several cantons banded together to host an event, it would most likely 
count as their "required" event.

I deliberately put "required" in quotes because, strictly speaking, 
they aren't *required* to host an event each year. Per Kingdom Law, 
they are merely required to demonstrate "regular activity". This is 
usually accomplished by hosting events, but it isn't required that you 
host an event every year, or that you do it solo. Talk to the kingdom 
seneschal if you aren't sure.

Yours,
Michael Silverhands
(former territorial Baron; former regional Seneschal; author of the 
June, 2000 edition of the Seneschal's Handbook; currently not holding 
any office whatsoever *smile*)



From mtucker at airmail.net  Fri Aug 22 00:03:55 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 02:03:55 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
In-Reply-To: <D121DC26-D466-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <CB44DA82-D46E-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>

Ah, curse the luck, quoting myself. So cut my pay. :-P

> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 06:40  PM, Beth Turner wrote:
>> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons 
>> or shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count 
>> as a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the 
>> perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>>
>> Nell
>>
>

On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 01:06  AM, Michael Tucker wrote:
> It is entirely acceptable for two or three groups of any sort - 
> cantons, shires, baronies, mix-and-match - to do an event together. If 
> several cantons banded together to host an event, it would most likely 
> count as their "required" event.
>

One minor but important point that I'd like to clarify: such an event 
*would* probably count as their "proof of activity", but it would *not* 
count against any of the sponsoring group's event limit (e.g. one event 
per year). They can still have a "solo" on-calendar event if they want 
to, in addition to the multi-group event. So, it's the best of both 
worlds.

Michael Silverhands



From IagoAH at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 04:31:50 2003
From: IagoAH at aol.com (IagoAH at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:31:50 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <1da.fb6ac39.2c775926@aol.com>

I'll be out of the next session.  I'll send an updated copy of my character 
along.

Greg


From rixende at mail2noble.com  Fri Aug 22 06:44:08 2003
From: rixende at mail2noble.com (Jhan Knebel)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 06:44:08 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Propane Heater Recall
Message-ID: <fa5801c368b3$75ba1570$0a04010a@mail2world.com>

Greetings Ansteorra!
 
I received this recall notice, and figured that it could easily affect
numerous Ansteorrans.  If you purchased one of these heaters from
Academy, please follow the instructions!
 
In Service,
Rixende
 
http://www.safetyalerts.com/recall/p/02/p0013182.htm
 
The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission announces the following
recall in voluntary cooperation with the firm below. Consumers should
stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed. 

Name of product: Timber Creek Propane Heaters 

Units: About 40,400

Manufacturer: Academy Sports and Outdoors, of Katy, Texas

Hazard: The heaters can emit high levels of carbon monoxide (CO), posing
a risk of CO poisoning to consumers if used indoors.

Incidents/Injuries: No injuries have been reported. This recall is being
conducted to prevent the possibility of injuries.

Description: The heaters have a 6 inch heat reflector and operate with a
disposable 16.4-ounce or 14.1-ounce propane tank, sold separately. The
product has a chrome neck, a black "on/off" switch, and a black plastic
base that houses the propane cylinder.

Sold at: "Academy Sports and Outdoors" stores exclusively sold the
heaters in Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee
and Texas from Sept. 2001 through May 2003 for about $20.

Manufactured in: China

Remedy: Return the heaters to any Academy Store for a refund.

Consumer Contact: Academy stores at (800) 577-8684 between 8:30 a.m. and
5 p.m. CT Monday through Friday, or visit the firm's Web site at
www.academy.com.

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From kschumach at comcast.net  Wed Aug 20 12:27:18 2003
From: kschumach at comcast.net (Kristin Schumacher)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:27:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] virus warning
Message-ID: <3F43CB96.20105@comcast.net>

Greetings and sorry for any cross-posting,
I just wanted to let you know that Norton Anti-Virus just quarantined an 
email with the W32.Dumaru at mm virus.  It had an attachment that was named 
patch.exe.  According to Norton this is a particularly nasty virus that 
destroys the programs it infects.  Since the email was quarantined, I'm 
not sure who it was from so you may want to run a virus scan on your 
system.  Luckily I was able to stop it from doing anything to my system 
due to Norton. 

in service,
Ly Annabel Kincaid




From Medicfem at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 07:37:16 2003
From: Medicfem at aol.com (Medicfem at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:37:16 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Propane Heater Recall
Message-ID: <5B59D7A4.0DF592BE.0079E0D6@aol.com>

Thank You! I happen to own the exact model mentioned. I appreciate the info.

Lady Caley of Lancashire
Chirurgeon in the Shire of Seawinds
Autocrat Seawinds Defender Oct.24-26,2003


From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 10:57:35 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:57:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000601c3685c$90d27f20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030822175735.12866.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com>



Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
(snip)

>As it is true, that people will say and do as they please, they will also
>have opinons and attitudes on various subjects. I'm not too sure any of
>those have been changed on this list.

I think that the great thing about this list is that all the people who read it will see that there is no ONE point of view...and there is no ONE authority on any given subject...and so they will read the stuff here...and be able to form a better opinion or be more effective for themselves and their group because they have seen more than one point of view...

I have also seen people be able to bring out their perceptions and have them validated...or dispelled here...which I think is a good thing...

>Gilli
Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.


Lorraine



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From medievalbelle at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 11:34:12 2003
From: medievalbelle at yahoo.com (Stacy E. Dickey)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:34:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
Message-ID: <20030822183412.3292.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings all,

   I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdo armourer in
attendance at Defender this year. Duke Andreas Icefalcon will be
selling armour and rattan, sharing merchant space with Spiers
Saddlery. If you have any specific pieces you'd like him to bring,
please contact me <colete at stickjock.com> and I'll arrange it.


Pour Dieu, Roi, et Pays...
Madame Colete d'Evreux


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From valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 12:52:08 2003
From: valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com (John Yates)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:52:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
In-Reply-To: <20030822183412.3292.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030822195208.25881.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com>

   There's another reason to make this year's Defender
my first event to make there. He has been a long-time
member of the Arnour Archive, and it would be cool to
meet him in person.

Valstarr


--- "Stacy E. Dickey" <medievalbelle at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greetings all,
> 
>    I'm pleased to mention we will have an East
> Kingdo armourer in
> attendance at Defender this year. Duke Andreas
> Icefalcon will be
> selling armour and rattan, sharing merchant space
> with Spiers
> Saddlery. If you have any specific pieces you'd like
> him to bring,
> please contact me <colete at stickjock.com> and I'll
> arrange it.
> 
> 
> Pour Dieu, Roi, et Pays...
> Madame Colete d'Evreux
> 
> 
> =====
> 
> "Speak softly and carry a big stick." ~T.R.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From Ciard49 at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 13:00:51 2003
From: Ciard49 at aol.com (Ciard49 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:00:51 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
Message-ID: <ac.46562dc0.2c77d073@aol.com>



> I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdom armourer in
> attendance at Defender this year.

Which Defender would that be, please?

Ciard


From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 22 13:44:27 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:44:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
References: <ac.46562dc0.2c77d073@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE68FkuutSgcO00000463@hotmail.com>

hehe...

ElfSea Defender.

Here's his armour:

http://www.icefalcon.com/

Morgan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Ciard49 at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender


> 
> 
> > I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdom armourer in
> > attendance at Defender this year.
> 
> Which Defender would that be, please?
> 
> Ciard
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From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Fri Aug 22 14:53:48 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:53:48 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <OJCJHIHLBIBPPGAA@mailcity.com>


Merci beaucoup, Monsieur

Obviously I was misinformed all around.  I guess if you want to be sure of something, you need to look it up yourself.  <sigh>

In service,
Nell


--------- Original Message ---------

DATE: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:06:49
From: Michael Tucker <mtucker at airmail.net>
To: nellwynn0 at lycos.com,"Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Cc: 

>
>On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 06:40  PM, Beth Turner wrote:
>
>>
>> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or 
>> shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as 
>> a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the 
>> perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>>
>> Nell
>>
>
>Au contraire, Madame! :-)
>
>It is entirely acceptable for two or three groups of any sort - 
>cantons, shires, baronies, mix-and-match - to do an event together. If 
>several cantons banded together to host an event, it would most likely 
>count as their "required" event.
>
>I deliberately put "required" in quotes because, strictly speaking, 
>they aren't *required* to host an event each year. Per Kingdom Law, 
>they are merely required to demonstrate "regular activity". This is 
>usually accomplished by hosting events, but it isn't required that you 
>host an event every year, or that you do it solo. Talk to the kingdom 
>seneschal if you aren't sure.
>
>Yours,
>Michael Silverhands
>(former territorial Baron; former regional Seneschal; author of the 
>June, 2000 edition of the Seneschal's Handbook; currently not holding 
>any office whatsoever *smile*)
>
>



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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 15:41:08 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:41:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE68FkuutSgcO00000463@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030822224108.43286.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>

Glad to see he's back from the sandbox...
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
hehe...

ElfSea Defender.

Here's his armour:

http://www.icefalcon.com/

Morgan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender


> 
> 
> > I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdom armourer in
> > attendance at Defender this year.
> 
> Which Defender would that be, please?
> 
> Ciard
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From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 02:04:23 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 02:04:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby
Message-ID: <20030823090423.29904.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com>

oh!  Sally's water just broke!  We are going to be at Craig Hospital, 801 N. Foreman st.  Vinita, OK.  918-256-7551, under Sally Stewart.
Yeah!!!
Robert and Sally



Lord Skerri Valtorsson
Knight Marshall
Incipient Canton of Chemin Noir
Barony of Northkeep
Kingdom of Ansteorra

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From IagoAH at aol.com  Sat Aug 23 06:02:37 2003
From: IagoAH at aol.com (IagoAH at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:02:37 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <fb.4553e4f9.2c78bfed@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/22/03 6:34:10 AM Central Daylight Time, IagoAH at aol.com 
writes:


> I'll be out of the next session.  I'll send an updated copy of my character 
> 
> along.
> 
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
> 

Sorry folks this was written in a "reply all" to a gaming group. Don't know 
how addresses got changed to the ansteorra list. 

Iago


From LrdWayland at aol.com  Sun Aug 24 00:02:59 2003
From: LrdWayland at aol.com (LrdWayland at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 03:02:59 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX
Message-ID: <134.24331130.2c79bd23@aol.com>

Greetings,
 I heard there was some bit of a discussion on this list about who all went 
to Estrella War. I must have missed the thread, but I sure haven't missed the 
event.
 Many of us from Seawinds have been going to this event for several years. We 
usually bring around 6 or more people, once we fielded 10 (I think) fighters 
under the Ansteorran banner. We've gone as a Seawinds unit at times, however, 
in the past three years we've fought as Legio Australis.
 If you were there at the last Estrella, you may have seen our encampment. We 
set up with our Outlands allies and erected two 3-story wooden towers as our 
camp entrance. I cannot say enough about the wonderful hospitality shown to us 
over the many years by our wonderful Outlands neighbors. They welcome us as 
long lost brothers and are very thankful for our continued support. 
 Seawinds/Legio aren't the only Ansteorrans there by any means. I've seen 
many from our Kingdom fighting in other units, such as the Fray and as 
Ansteorrans with our Crown at times.
 The event itself is totally awesome, great battles where warriors from 
Ansteorra shine upon the battlefield through our heroic deeds. I've heard fighters 
from other kingdoms talking about us at the days end. Ansteorrans have a well 
earned reputation as honorable and extremely deadly opponents. I hope that 
even more will join us there next year to help keep our reputation alive & 
strong. 
 Our Outlands brothers have supported us at Gulf War, so please, let's do our 
Kingdom proud by continuing to support them, make that extra effort to attend 
Estrella War XX in Feb 2004.

Wayland
commander/Leg-Aus
Lt. Seawinds Shire Guard


From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 24 04:32:13 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 04:32:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <20030824113213.59140.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com>

We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures today or tomorrow!


Lord Skerri Valtorsson
Knight Marshall
Incipient Canton of Chemin Noir
Barony of Northkeep
Kingdom of Ansteorra

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From isabeau at ansteorra.net  Sun Aug 24 07:42:40 2003
From: isabeau at ansteorra.net (isabeau)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:42:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <200308240942.AA225902792@ansteorra.net>

Wonderful!  (sorry about the c-section, though. they suck.)  August is a great month for birthdays, I had my twins on Aug 11th. 18 years ago (yikes!)

Congratulations to all and a big Welcome to Heather Louise :)

Isabeau
>We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures today or tomorrow!
>
>
>Lord Skerri Valtorsson
>Knight Marshall
>Incipient Canton of Chemin Noir
>Barony of Northkeep
>Kingdom of Ansteorra
>
>Praise no sword before wet, no ale before drunk, nor ice before crossed
>
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From isabeau at ansteorra.net  Sun Aug 24 07:56:19 2003
From: isabeau at ansteorra.net (isabeau)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:56:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <200308240956.AA259916076@ansteorra.net>

Welcome Heather Louise!


>We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures today or tomorrow!


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From cnetterville at ih2000.net  Sun Aug 24 08:32:16 2003
From: cnetterville at ih2000.net (charles netterville)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:32:16 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
References: <200308240956.AA259916076@ansteorra.net>
Message-ID: <001101c36a54$e7b064c0$266222d1@g1w3z6>

Congratulations and welcome to the newest subject of Ansteorra.
    August is indeed a wonderful time to be born. I did it myself on the
26th almost 37 years ago. The arrival of new life and unbounded joy is the
perfect way to celebrate one's birthday. Tell little Heather Louise thank
you for giving me just that opportunity this year. And unto the undoubtedly
beaming and proud parents, I say VIVAT!!! The fun begins now. In joyous
service, Elrique of Bordermarch
----- Original Message -----
From: "isabeau" <isabeau at ansteorra.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] baby update


> Welcome Heather Louise!
>
>
> >We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather
Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the
hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be
there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures
today or tomorrow!
>
>
> --
> Do not worry about what people are thinking about you--for they are not
thinking about you. They are wondering what you are thinking about them.
>
>
>
> --
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> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>
>




From cnetterville at ih2000.net  Sun Aug 24 08:45:38 2003
From: cnetterville at ih2000.net (charles netterville)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:45:38 -0500
Subject: Fw: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <002001c36a56$c4faac40$266222d1@g1w3z6>


----- Original Message -----
From: "charles netterville" <cnetterville at ih2000.net>
To: <isabeau at ansteorra.net>; "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
<ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] baby update


> Congratulations and welcome to the newest subject of Ansteorra.
>     August is indeed a wonderful time to be born. I did it myself on the
> 26th almost 37 years ago. The arrival of new life and unbounded joy is the
> perfect way to celebrate one's birthday. Tell little Heather Louise thank
> you for giving me just that opportunity this year. And unto the
undoubtedly
> beaming and proud parents, I say VIVAT!!! The fun begins now. In joyous
> service, Elrique of Bordermarch
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "isabeau" <isabeau at ansteorra.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] baby update
>
>
> > Welcome Heather Louise!
> >
> >
> > >We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather
> Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the
> hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be
> there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures
> today or tomorrow!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Do not worry about what people are thinking about you--for they are not
> thinking about you. They are wondering what you are thinking about them.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> >
> >
>




From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Sun Aug 24 09:05:04 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:05:04 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
In-Reply-To: <001101c36a54$e7b064c0$266222d1@g1w3z6>
Message-ID: <B95EF66D-D64C-11D7-83D5-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 10:32 AM, charles netterville wrote:
> Congratulations and welcome to the newest subject of Ansteorra.
>     August is indeed a wonderful time to be born. I did it myself on 
> the
> 26th almost 37 years ago. The arrival of new life and unbounded joy is 
> the
> perfect way to celebrate one's birthday. Tell little Heather Louise 
> thank
> you for giving me just that opportunity this year. And unto the 
> undoubtedly
> beaming and proud parents, I say VIVAT!!! The fun begins now. In joyous
> service, Elrique of Bordermarch

Greetings Elrique,

Congratulations, it seems we share the same birthday!

For those in the SCA who now have a baby there are a few files in the 
Florilegium that might be of interest. I highly recommend those that 
detail how to keep your baby safe at SCA camping events and those that 
might help ease the work of caring for your children. Here are a few 
from the CHILDREN section:
babies-msg       (103K)  2/ 2/01    Camping with babies.
baby-gifts-msg    (20K)  4/13/98    Period-type and SCA-useful baby 
gifts.
baby-slings-msg    (9K)  2/ 2/01    Cloth slings for carrying your baby.
child-wagons-msg   (7K)  9/27/99    Wagons for hauling children at 
events.
p-cradles-msg      (5K)  9/ 7/01    Period baby cradles.
teething-toys-msg (22K)  1/ 5/01    Period and SCA teething toys for 
infants.

And for those whose babies are still on the way:
pregnancy-msg      (9K)  9/ 3/99    Pregnancy in period. Handling it in 
the SCA.

...and for those who would like to start such a project in the future:
aphrodisiacs-msg  (15K)  7/31/01    Medieval aphrodisiacs.

Stefan
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    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
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From vscribe at ansteorra.org  Sun Aug 24 15:50:20 2003
From: vscribe at ansteorra.org (Ansteorra Virtual Scribe)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:50:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX
References: <134.24331130.2c79bd23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <028301c36a92$38c30420$31baee0c@c59303a>

I am looking forward to going again. But as Morgan stated below, we really
did not see many Ansteorrans. We hunted for about 2 hours through all the
campsites looking at all the banners. We found old Ansteorran's that moved
to other kingdoms, thank god for remembering old heraldry *grin*, but no one
current.

It was not until much later while shopping that I saw one of our siege
engines and a few members. I was very happy to see them. Then later still,
yes, the towers, I found them, I went the vigil, what a vigil it was. I have
to say. It has been at least a decade since I have seen a vigil like that.
He was indeed a well loved man. :)

I hope to be at Estrella 2004, although, hubby was not very happy when he
realized that 2003 happened to fall on the weekend of Valentines just a few
days before I was to depart even though I had discussed it with him and
purchased my tickets in 2002. Men, and you think we women confuse you, sigh.
;)

And yes, I will be teaching my glove class again, already getting many
inquiries! Yes, I will be taking orders for kits this time.

Chiara
Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <LrdWayland at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 2:02 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX


: Greetings,
:  I heard there was some bit of a discussion on this list about who all
went
: to Estrella War. I must have missed the thread, but I sure haven't missed
the
: event.
:  Many of us from Seawinds have been going to this event for several years.
We
: usually bring around 6 or more people, once we fielded 10 (I think)
fighters
: under the Ansteorran banner. We've gone as a Seawinds unit at times,
however,
: in the past three years we've fought as Legio Australis.
:  If you were there at the last Estrella, you may have seen our encampment.
We
: set up with our Outlands allies and erected two 3-story wooden towers as
our
: camp entrance. I cannot say enough about the wonderful hospitality shown
to us
: over the many years by our wonderful Outlands neighbors. They welcome us
as
: long lost brothers and are very thankful for our continued support.
:  Seawinds/Legio aren't the only Ansteorrans there by any means. I've seen
: many from our Kingdom fighting in other units, such as the Fray and as
: Ansteorrans with our Crown at times.
:  The event itself is totally awesome, great battles where warriors from
: Ansteorra shine upon the battlefield through our heroic deeds. I've heard
fighters
: from other kingdoms talking about us at the days end. Ansteorrans have a
well
: earned reputation as honorable and extremely deadly opponents. I hope that
: even more will join us there next year to help keep our reputation alive &
: strong.
:  Our Outlands brothers have supported us at Gulf War, so please, let's do
our
: Kingdom proud by continuing to support them, make that extra effort to
attend
: Estrella War XX in Feb 2004.
:
: Wayland
: commander/Leg-Aus
: Lt. Seawinds Shire Guard
: _______________________________________________


Chiara
Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <morgancain at earthlink.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events


: I thought there were only six of us there - Chiara, Big Morgan, Master
Etc.
: Modius, and Their Majesties - because excepting Morgan (whom Chiara saw
: elsewhere) there were only five of us in court, and I didn't see any other
: specifically Ansteorran people there that I recall.
:
: I guessed there were more when I saw more than the two of us (Chiara and
: myself) listed on the volunteer posting post-war.  If you saw a
waterbearer
: in an Ansteorran tabard at Estrella this past year, it was one of us.
:
: I think the reason we-all didn't think the others were there is that
unlike
: last year, there wasn't a specifically Ansteorran Camp onsite.
:
:                              ---= Morgan
:
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: > Three attended from Northkeep... myself, Marcus Quietly,
: > and Lynn the Inquisitive.
: >
: > -zubeydah
: >
: > Karolus writes:
: >
: > I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf,
: but
: > I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I
think
: > we had the 8 in the rental car at War.
: >
: > Karolus
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From DonPieter at aol.com  Sun Aug 24 16:09:32 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:09:32 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <e.34b000ff.2c7a9fac@aol.com>

Does the site for gothic have a street address?

Pieter Rausch


From chiang at odsy.net  Sun Aug 24 21:37:40 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:37:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <e.34b000ff.2c7a9fac@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004001c36ac2$9ef40de0$5a50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

Not that I know of it. Do you need directions on how to get there? There is
a website with directions and information on this great event:
http://www.geocities.com/crossrodekeep/GothicWarXII/ . Hope this helps.
Yours in service,
HE Chiang

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From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 6:09 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address


> Does the site for gothic have a street address?
>
> Pieter Rausch





From ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 24 22:05:31 2003
From: ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net (Phelippe Descors)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:05:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War
Message-ID: <20030825050531.95254.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com>

Can someone please post the price to get into Gothic. 
There are no prices listed on the website.

     Phelippe


From dirkthedead at cox.net  Sun Aug 24 22:56:22 2003
From: dirkthedead at cox.net (Dirk the Dead)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:56:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War
References: <20030825050531.95254.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c36acd$9d0fbc80$68216d44@dl.cox.net>




Site is $12 ($3 Non-member fee)  Kids 5-12 are $5

Dirk the All Knowing

> Can someone please post the price to get into Gothic. 
> There are no prices listed on the website.
> 
>      Phelippe



From chiang at odsy.net  Sun Aug 24 22:55:17 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:55:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War
References: <20030825050531.95254.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006501c36acd$768714f0$5a50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

The prices are $12 for adults, $5 for kids 5-12, $3 NMS. I am not sure about
a family cap, but will see what I can find out, but most likely will be
about the same price as three adults.
Chiang, the ever helpful, well mostly anyway

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From: "Phelippe Descors" <ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 12:05 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War


> Can someone please post the price to get into Gothic.
> There are no prices listed on the website.
>
>      Phelippe





From edrei at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 25 04:32:11 2003
From: edrei at earthlink.net (David  Backlin)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:32:11 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] FINAL COUNTDOWN!!
Message-ID: <002d01c36afc$87c5dce0$d02afea9@gateway>

We are approaching the final countdown to Mid Summer Knights Dream in
Smythkepe. Can you believe it's this weekend?? My how time flies.

We have a lot of things planned: fighting (heavy and light), classes
(including COGA classes), a quest, bardic competition and so much more (and
of COURSE there's an anvil toss... would we forget the anvil toss?) Annnnnd,
it's a full weekend event as well, so you can come down Friday night and
have two full days of fun and excitment (or 2 full days of shopping the
merchants if that's what you like;) ).

We are getting ready to bring you the largest MSKD in recent memory, but
something is missing: YOU!!

Our Autocrat, Frederick has been fretting himself purple preparing for his
event, making sure everything will go on as planned.

Our feastocrat Geoffrey is slaving away in a hot kitchen preparing a
sumptious feast for everyone. If you don't come, he'll be very disappointed.


So come on down to our place for the weekend and share some Smythkepe
hospitality.

More details are available at the following website: www.smythkeeptavern.org


MSKD XI. This weekend! Be here! Aloha!




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From rs_teke at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 10:05:33 2003
From: rs_teke at yahoo.com (Christine Grosvenor)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:05:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for Armor
In-Reply-To: <200308251700.h7PH03a01083@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <20030825170533.83527.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com>

The Shire of Tempio is looking to purchase used or
inexpensive armor for the use of loaner gear.  If any
groups or individuals have any gear they would like to
sell, please contact me off the list with information
on the items, their condition, and what you would want
for them.  rs_teke at yahoo.com

In Service, 
Renee' Grosvenor
Shire of Tempio

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From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 10:13:43 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:13:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby
Message-ID: <20030825171343.94874.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks, you alls, that is interesting about three now having the same b-day!  Virgos outweigh others in annis and mine's families.  Wonder what we were all doing in the winter?


Lord Skerri Valtorsson
Knight Marshall
Incipient Canton of Chemin Noir
Barony of Northkeep
Kingdom of Ansteorra

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From morgancain at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 25 10:18:59 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (morgancain at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:18:59 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX 
Message-ID: <184670-220038125171859744@M2W047.mail2web.com>

Has anybody thought of having a Kingdom camp at Estrella as is done
(mostly) at Pennsic?  Or is that heresy?

                     ---= the littler Morgan from Steppes


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From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 25 15:39:41 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:39:41 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030825173533.013b3cc4@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 11:37 PM 8/24/03 -0500, you wrote:

>Not that I know of it. Do you need directions on how to get there? There is
>a website with directions and information on this great event:
>http://www.geocities.com/crossrodekeep/GothicWarXII/ . Hope this helps.
>Yours in service,
>HE Chiang


Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
bottom, rather than the top.

	-Tivar Moondragon
	obsessive cartographer


From jtc at swordworks.org  Mon Aug 25 15:49:12 2003
From: jtc at swordworks.org (James Crouchet)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:49:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <3F43BF26.26650.791D5D@localhost>
References: <3F43BF26.26650.791D5D@localhost>
Message-ID: <200308251749.12282.jtc@swordworks.org>

On Wednesday 20 August 2003 06:34 pm, Elizabeth Crouchet wrote:

> This increase in population is good for the SCA but it is straining  the
> resources of individual groups in the kingdom.  >IF< Ansteorra divided
> >right now< into two kingdoms, they would still be of a comparable size
> as far as numbers of groups goes, with other SCA kingdoms. That is why
> our calendar is more crowded than those kingdom's calendars. I just hope
> that our population size makes it possible for us to host successfully
> that many more events at a time.

Well, we are much bigger than a small kingdom like the Outlands with ony 30 
groups but large kingdoms have as many groups as us. The East, for 
example, which has something like 75 groups in 4 regions. The Middle has 
84 in 4 regions and that does not count the 35 in the soon to be kingdom 
of Northshield. Yes, those are big kingdoms but they manage their calendar 
somehow. Perhaps we should look over some of their ideas and see if they 
are worth stealing. ;-)

Besides, if a new kingdom splits off from the Middle they only have to stop 
being from the Middle. If a new kingdom split off from Ansteorra they 
would have to stop being Ansteorran!

;-)

CD




From jtc at swordworks.org  Mon Aug 25 15:51:52 2003
From: jtc at swordworks.org (James Crouchet)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:51:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question
In-Reply-To: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
References: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200308251751.52841.jtc@swordworks.org>

On Wednesday 20 August 2003 10:55 pm, Elaine Crittenden wrote:
> An impish little thought just jumped into my brain:
>
> Why couldn't a Barony which has an extra event date they don't want to
> use barter the date to another group that wants a date and can't because
> of limitations? I am thinking along the lines of politicians who have a
> certain number of minutes to speak and yield part or all of the time the
> former is alotted to another politician for the latter's use.
>
> Next question:
> Now just what could one barter for time? Hmmmmm. Interesting
> ponderance...

I can see it now: a thriving new business in black market calendar dates.

;-)

Dor?




From celestria_ledragon at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 16:20:22 2003
From: celestria_ledragon at yahoo.com (Celestria LeDragon)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:20:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Book of Hours Exhibition
Message-ID: <20030825232022.61237.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings,
 
At the Kimball Museum in Fort Worth during October 12, 2003?January 18, 2004 they will have 58 pages of books of hours including The luxuriant Hours of Catherine of Cleves.
Here is the website.
 
http://www.kimbellart.org/exhibitions/exh_file.cfm?id=100
 
 
In Service
Lady Celestria leDragon




 


From DonPieter at aol.com  Mon Aug 25 16:29:35 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:29:35 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <136.23875a53.2c7bf5df@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/25/2003 5:43:40 PM Central Standard Time, 
moondrgn at austin.rr.com writes:

> 
> Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
> bottom, rather than the top.
> 
>   -Tivar Moondragon
>   obsessive cartographer
> 

Yre, I looked at it and figured that. 
Pieter
Another obsessive cartographer


From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 25 17:43:46 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:43:46 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <BAY1-F44bj36Kn1FS7400009da1@hotmail.com>

Is is "just" upside down or is it upside down and backwards? Not that sure 
of west Ansteorra.

plachoya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra

>
>
>Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
>bottom, rather than the top.
>
>	-Tivar Moondragon
>	obsessive cartographer

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From cellach at breezykilt.com  Mon Aug 25 18:03:37 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:03:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <052601c36b6d$eddf7d80$1108a8c0@bobby>

> Besides, if a new kingdom splits off from the Middle they only have to stop
> being from the Middle. If a new kingdom split off from Ansteorra they
> would have to stop being Ansteorran!


Clearly, this is the most persuasive bit of argument I've yet to hear on this subject!

Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!


From valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 18:57:44 2003
From: valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com (John Yates)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>

   Missed most of the many posts in this thread  for
the past couple of weeks, but the last couple that
mentioned a kingdom coming out of Ansteorra would have
the people stop calling themselves Ansteorrans.
  Can you see the conversation:
1. "You stop being an  Ansteorran!"
2. "No, YOU stop being an Ansteorran!"
   A little levity (hopefully,) in your Monday
evening.

Regards,
Valstarr


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From ferret at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 25 19:34:17 2003
From: ferret at hot.rr.com (Paul DeLisle)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:34:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CCEDJGIDBGOMKABAAKMBMECMEDAA.ferret@hot.rr.com>

>    Missed most of the many posts in this thread  for
> the past couple of weeks, but the last couple that
> mentioned a kingdom coming out of Ansteorra would have
> the people stop calling themselves Ansteorrans.
>   Can you see the conversation:
> 1. "You stop being an  Ansteorran!"
> 2. "No, YOU stop being an Ansteorran!"
>    A little levity (hopefully,) in your Monday evening.
> Regards, Valstarr

....But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head, and
every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks we're
too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split when
somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
Alden
(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )




From PKieferjr at aol.com  Mon Aug 25 19:47:31 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:47:31 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <1c1.e206ce3.2c7c2443@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time, 
ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head, and
every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks we're
too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split when
somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
Alden
(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....

...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?  
Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a 
nuke on us.

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
(Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)


From swieland at direcway.com  Mon Aug 25 20:17:47 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:17:47 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:  Was
	Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <1c1.e206ce3.2c7c2443@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>

At 10:47 PM 8/25/03 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
>ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
>But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
>least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head, and
>every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks we're
>too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split when
>somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
>Alden
>(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
>Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....
>
>...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?
>Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
>nuke on us.
>
>Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
>(Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)

Heh heh.....reminds me of the mundane country-western song called "I'm in a 
Texas State of Mind"...

Damaris
(wearing asbestos armor for the flames from the Oklahoman 
Ansteorrans)  (geez this is getting complicated) 




From chiang at odsy.net  Mon Aug 25 20:54:12 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:54:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <BAY1-F44bj36Kn1FS7400009da1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c36b85$b6ca9ce0$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

Hey! No picking on us from the Western Region. I personally shall punish the
one who was responsible for doing the map.
So turn the map over, use it and come to Gothic. Have as much fun as allowed
by law.
Chiang, staunch defender of the Western Region

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Bilings" <humble_archer at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address


> Is is "just" upside down or is it upside down and backwards? Not that sure
> of west Ansteorra.
>
> plachoya
>
> humble archer
> Ravens Fort Ansteorra
>
> >
> >
> >Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
> >bottom, rather than the top.
> >
> > -Tivar Moondragon
> > obsessive cartographer





From chiang at odsy.net  Mon Aug 25 20:57:11 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:57:11 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
	WasEvent Limits
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <007201c36b86$21213540$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

And was there not a song "You're the reason God made Oklahoma"
Chiang, closet country fan

----- Original Message -----
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
WasEvent Limits


>
> Heh heh.....reminds me of the mundane country-western song called "I'm in
a
> Texas State of Mind"...
>
> Damaris
> (wearing asbestos armor for the flames from the Oklahoman
> Ansteorrans)  (geez this is getting complicated)
>




From dirkthedead at cox.net  Mon Aug 25 21:23:21 2003
From: dirkthedead at cox.net (Dirk the Dead)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:23:21 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <BAY1-F44bj36Kn1FS7400009da1@hotmail.com>
	<006c01c36b85$b6ca9ce0$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>
Message-ID: <004101c36b89$c8d1f380$68216d44@dl.cox.net>


Wow.. I didn't even realize it was upside down adn I live out here.. Of
course, having been to the site a few times, I wasn't to worried about the
map part (well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it)


Oh, and you can (and possibly will) have more fun than is allowed by law..
just don't get caught.....

...within reason of course.....


Dirk the very possibly soon to be Lost




> Hey! No picking on us from the Western Region. I personally shall punish
the
> one who was responsible for doing the map.
> So turn the map over, use it and come to Gothic. Have as much fun as
allowed
> by law.
> Chiang, staunch defender of the Western Region
>



From ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 25 21:46:13 2003
From: ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net (Lady Deirdre)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:46:13 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
References: <1c1.e206ce3.2c7c2443@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c36b8c$fac7d6e0$c27f8a42@gateway.2wire.net>

I will always be Ansteorran, even though I currently reside in another
kingdom.
Deirdre

----- Original Message -----
From: <PKieferjr at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits


> In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
> ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
> But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
> least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head,
and
> every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks
we're
> too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split
when
> somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
> Alden
> (Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
> Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....
>
> ...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a
location?
> Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
> nuke on us.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
> (Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)
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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Mon Aug 25 21:46:57 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:46:57 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
	WasEvent Limits
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <00f701c36b8d$14a5d940$0f00000a@nomadics.com>

Eh, there's already enough dead horses around here...

JP,
Okla-Ansteorran-who's-going-to-gothic-this-weekend-are-you-happy-Chiang-


Carl Chipman
Nomadics, Inc.
cchipman at nomadics.com
http://www.nomadics.com


-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Susan Wieland
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:18 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
WasEvent Limits

At 10:47 PM 8/25/03 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
>ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
>But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
>least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head,
and
>every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks
we're
>too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split
when
>somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
>Alden
>(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
>Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....
>
>...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a
location?
>Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they
dropped a
>nuke on us.
>
>Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
>(Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)

Heh heh.....reminds me of the mundane country-western song called "I'm
in a 
Texas State of Mind"...

Damaris
(wearing asbestos armor for the flames from the Oklahoman 
Ansteorrans)  (geez this is getting complicated) 


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From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 25 22:09:08 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:09:08 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] dead horses
In-Reply-To: <00f701c36b8d$14a5d940$0f00000a@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <6C3FFEF0-D783-11D7-83D5-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 11:46 PM, Carl Chipman wrote:
> Eh, there's already enough dead horses around here...
Well, might as well make use of them. See this file in the Florilegium:
horse-recipes-msg (32K)  3/ 2/03    Period horse recipes. References.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-MEATS/horse-recipes-msg.html

Hmmm. What evidence do we have for leather made from horsehide in 
period?
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****



From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 26 03:20:06 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 05:20:06 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <BAY1-F145VHXZ6nuHWk00002a5d@hotmail.com>

Not picking. I knew the map was upside down but not if it is backwards.

plachooya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra
>
>Hey! No picking on us from the Western Region. I personally shall punish 
>the
>one who was responsible for doing the map.
>So turn the map over, use it and come to Gothic. Have as much fun as 
>allowed
>by law.
>Chiang, staunch defender of the Western Region
>

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From swieland at direcway.com  Tue Aug 26 04:01:25 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 06:01:25 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom  Splitting:
	WasEvent Limits
In-Reply-To: <007201c36b86$21213540$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>

At 10:57 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:
>And was there not a song "You're the reason God made Oklahoma"
>Chiang, closet country fan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
>WasEvent Limits

I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby 
in the SCA.   It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA.  Ansteorra was 
hosting it.  We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena 
in Burnet Texas.  Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and 
was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands".  So he was doing a 
cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell.  Then he suddenly said, "How do you 
spell Ansteorra?"  My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up, 
"T-E-X-A-S".  Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and 
they were NOT amused.  LOL.

Damaris

In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is 
weird and people take Prozac to make it normal




From isobail at mail.ev1.net  Mon Aug 25 19:58:50 2003
From: isobail at mail.ev1.net (isobail)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:58:50 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] In Search of Several People
Message-ID: <200308252158.AA6553746@mail.ev1.net>


Please pardon the intrusion--
 
Could the following people please contact me at isobail at ev1.net it 
concerns the upcoming Ravensfort Defender event (September 19-22, 
2003)
 
Duke Kien
Don Robert
Lady Meriabella (spelling may be wrong--she is from Tempio and is 
our A&S champion)
Lord Nathan of Gates Edge
HL Gerald of Leesvile
HE Neassa
 
Thank you very much
 
In Service I Remain...
 
Lady Isobail inghean Gilla Chriosd
Ravensfort Reeve
isobail at ev1.net
 

________________________________________________________________
Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net


 
                   


From pippermint at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 26 07:34:25 2003
From: pippermint at sbcglobal.net (Paula Hanna)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:34:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Bonwicke's Twelfth Night & Pre-Twelfth Night College
Message-ID: <20030826143425.56235.qmail@web80213.mail.yahoo.com>

Unto the Noble State of Ansteorra does the Baroness of Bonwicke and Steward of her
Twelfth Night Celebration send greetings.

This missive will be long, but I guarantee there will be something for everyone. If
you get restless before the end, scroll to the heading that interests you most and
start reading from there. ;o) Bonwicke's Twelfth Night - set for December 13th - is
fast approaching, and we wish to invite all of Ansteorra to attend. Great things are
in store this year as we will be hosting a Masquerade Ball in addition to a whole
day brimming with activities.

The schedule is shaping up as follows:

? High Persona Chivalric Tournament and Helm Crest Competition
? Rapier Tournament and Decorated Buckler Competition
? Titled Arts and Sciences Champion of Bonwicke
? Period Sweets and Finger Foods Competition
? Masked Dance and Best Mask Competition
? Grand Italian Feast
? Pre-Twelfth Night College / Oct 18
? Other activities may include charter painting, dance classes and mask-making
activities for the children.

High Persona Chivalric Tournament and Helm Crest Competition:
---
This tournament will most likely be a tourney of counted blows with a nod to the
whim of the Ladies' Gallery. Fighters entering the list must be accompanied by a
consort and must present themselves, their consort and their helm crest (and arms,
etc.) to the gallery via herald. Feel free to display as much pomp and circumstance
in doing so as you like. Please bring your arms on a shield no larger than 8x10 for
the shield tree. The helm crest competition will be judged indoors by the populace.
Displays would be lovely. Helm crests will not have to be fought in merely presented
before the tourney.

Rapier Tournament and Decorated Buckler Competition:
---
The nature of this tournament is yet undecided, but again those who would enter the
list must have a consort, and must present themselves, their consort and their
decorated buckler to the gallery via herald. Again, pomp is always welcomed. The
decorated buckler will be judged indoors by the populace. Displays are a good thing.
---
Most likely, the helm crests and bucklers will be obtained from their displays,
presented before the gallery and returned to their displays afterwards for judging.

Titled Arts and Sciences Champion of Bonwicke:
---
I am calling all artists of Ansteorra who would vie for the title of Bonwicke's
Champion Artisan. As Twelfth Night is a Masquerade Ball, the theme of the Arts &
Sciences shall be "Celebration in Bonwicke". Whether one choses to depict a scene of
celebration, something worn or partaken of in celebration, or merely an object
bearing red and gold, Bonwicke's fair colors, is up to the artist. Be limited only
by your imagination; these are merely suggestions. Points are to be awarded on the
usage of both the theme of "celebration" and "Bonwicke". Please come bearing a
letter of intent and documentation. 

Period Sweets and Finger Foods Competition:
---
We will be holding a period sweets and finger foods contest around mid-afternoon
when the tourneys are waning and before court (and ultimately dinner). Again this
will be judged by popular vote. As the kitchen will be devoted to preparing the
feast for the evening, the food in the competition needs to be as low maintenance as
possible - preferably something that is prepared before arrival that will stand up
well at room tempurature or something that the participants have the means to handle
without the use of the kitchen (with ice chests, crock pots, warmers, etc.)

Masked Dance and Best Mask Competition:
---
This will include, obviously, dancing, and the best mask competition will again be
judged by the populace. It is undecided if the masks will be displayed for the
judging or be judged while being worn during the Ball, but details will, as always,
be forthcoming. 

Pre-Twelfth Night College:
--- 
For any wishing to attend, there will be a pre-Twelfth Night college on Saturday,
October 18th to make ready for the grand event. It will be held in the Barony of
Bonwicke (Lubbock, Tx) at the Canterbury Student Center, 2407 16th St (16th & one
block east of (Texas Tech) University Ave.). Please visit our website
(www.bonwicke.org) for updates on times and maps.

These kind people have graciously volunteered to share their knowledge October 18th:

Period Dance:
Lord William Rufus Guthrie and Lady Elisabeth Quartermain de Guthrie
and Lady Melissant d'Aulnay the Capricious (Capricia)

Mask-Making:
Lady Serafina de Gratia

Helm Crest-Making:
Lord Jasper Codrington

Buckler Construction/Decoration:
Honorable Lord Toshiro Koi

Please join us on this day to prepare for the upcoming Ball, and I look forward to
seeing everyone at Bonwicke'e Twelfth Night!

Thank you for enduring to the end of this tome. Any additional questions,
suggestions or comments may be directed to me, Baroness Oriana, at
pippermint at sbcglobal.net. And thanks go to all who have volunteered and
all who plan on attending. 

Simply,
Oriana della Francesca
Lady Bonwicke
Twelfth Night & Pre-Twelfth Night College Steward


From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 26 08:55:06 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:55:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1061913306.3f4b82da0fad0@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

If it ever happens, there will either be :

a) a principality within Ansteorra which would heve developed enough of it's 
own identity to not be bothered be not being "Ansteorra"

or

b) if the kingdom split without going through a principality stage, why not, as 
someone suggested, use something along the lines or North/South Ansteorra?  For 
that matter a principality could conceivably do the same (as in the case of 
West Virginia [a state, not a principality<G>]

As there doesn't seem to be any big push to split our kingdom, it's all 
hypothetical anyway.<G>

Ansgar

Quoting John Yates <valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com>:

>    Missed most of the many posts in this thread  for
> the past couple of weeks, but the last couple that
> mentioned a kingdom coming out of Ansteorra would have
> the people stop calling themselves Ansteorrans.
>   Can you see the conversation:
> 1. "You stop being an  Ansteorran!"
> 2. "No, YOU stop being an Ansteorran!"
>    A little levity (hopefully,) in your Monday
> evening.
> 
> Regards,
> Valstarr


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From russ at randomgang.com  Tue Aug 26 09:04:51 2003
From: russ at randomgang.com (R. Smith)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:04:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <1061913306.3f4b82da0fad0@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
References: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
	<1061913306.3f4b82da0fad0@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <5352736.1061895891@oklahoma-y03tgc.okstate.edu>



--On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:55 AM -0500 j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

> As there doesn't seem to be any big push to split our kingdom, it's all
> hypothetical anyway.<G>

Yes, I was kind of mystified where that abruptly came from.  I suppose 
perhaps people mentioning principality, but it's not a necessary conclusion 
of principalities (c.f. Principality of the Mists, et al.)

Chandra

-- 
Lord Chandranath <russ{at}randomgang.com>
Cadet to Don Timothy la Corbusier
Apprentice to Master Beorthlic Folkwineson
"Per pale sable and gules, a decrescent argent."





From Medicfem at aol.com  Tue Aug 26 10:48:06 2003
From: Medicfem at aol.com (Medicfem at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:48:06 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <10f.252c0727.2c7cf756@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/26/03 8:58:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:

> b) if the kingdom split without going through a principality stage, why 
> not, as 
> someone suggested, use something along the lines or North/South Ansteorra?  
> For 
> that matter a principality could conceivably do the same (as in the case of 
> West Virginia [a state, not a principality<G>]

Being of one of the southern most shires in this kingdom, I must reply. 
"South Ansteorra" ....  I don't like the sound of it. It is a dead horse.  
The last three groups to the south in Ansteorra are coastal shires. We are 
kind of unified. Often the only people that consistantly go to each others 
events are those from these three sister shires.  I feel when it comes to the 
breaking of a kingdom, many alliances have already been forged that would be 
difficult to break. Our motto... We keep the Kings coast... not the Prince's coast. 
with love for the mamouth size kingdom of ANSTEORRA,

Lady Caley of Lancashire
Shire of Seawinds -  Celebrating 20 years as a proud Ansteorran shire in 2004



From jerryn at houston.rr.com  Tue Aug 26 11:13:36 2003
From: jerryn at houston.rr.com (jerryn at houston.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:13:36 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: In Search of Several People
Message-ID: <16b2db16aaec.16aaec16b2db@texas.rr.com>

replied to privately

In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
HL Gerald of Leesville
Ravenskald of Ravensfort
A Bard of Stargate
Kingdom Ansteorra.



From galenbv at ix.netcom.com  Tue Aug 26 14:05:44 2003
From: galenbv at ix.netcom.com (Galen W. Bevel)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:05:44 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <410-22003822621544743@ix.netcom.com>




> On Wednesday 20 August 2003 06:34 pm, Elizabeth Crouchet wrote:
> Well, we are much bigger than a small kingdom like the Outlands with ony
30 
> groups but large kingdoms have as many groups as us. The East, for 
> example, which has something like 75 groups in 4 regions. The Middle has 
> 84 in 4 regions and that does not count the 35 in the soon to be kingdom 
> of Northshield. Yes, those are big kingdoms but they manage their
calendar 
> somehow. Perhaps we should look over some of their ideas and see if they 
> are worth stealing. ;-)
>
>
> CD
>


Years ago when I was Kingdom seneschal I checked into other Kingdom's
practices because our calendar was getting out of hand even then.  If I
remember correctly, one of the more common ways that large kingdoms handled
the problem then was to lock down their calendar very early.  My faulty
memory seems to remember that the Middle was one of these, but I could
easily be wrong.  What I mean is that _all_ events are scheduled in the
previous year.  If you want to have an event on the calendar in 2004, you
must have it approved, and all the paperwork done and turned in to the KS
in time to make the deadline so that the calendar for the entire year can
be published in the January Kingdom newsletter.  That means if you want to
have a 2004 Yule revel, you would probably have to get  the paperwork into
the kingdom by at least November 2003 so they have time to put together the
calendar and make the December 1st deadline for the January BlackStar. I
believe that some Kingdoms had an even earlier deadline,like June or so,to
allow lead time for the January events.  Taken to extremes, it could end up
meaning that you would have to do the paperwork on your event from 1.5 to 2
years in advance. Not necessarily a proponent or opponent of this idea, it
was just one that I remembered that I thought you all might like to hear.  

Graf Galen Kirchenbauer



From ulfie at cox.net  Tue Aug 26 23:25:42 2003
From: ulfie at cox.net (Ulf Gunnarsson)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:25:42 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <1061953612.2863.15.camel@chuckles.cafecanem.com>

On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby 
> in the SCA.   It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA.  Ansteorra was 
> hosting it.  We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena 
> in Burnet Texas.  Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and 
> was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands".  So he was doing a 
> cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell.  Then he suddenly said, "How do you 
> spell Ansteorra?"  My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up, 
> "T-E-X-A-S".  Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and 
> they were NOT amused.  LOL.


THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em.   :)

Ulf, Baron of Namron
(Dang, that was a fun event...)



From swieland at direcway.com  Wed Aug 27 04:07:04 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:07:04 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
In-Reply-To: <1061953612.2863.15.camel@chuckles.cafecanem.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030827060323.00a2d680@pop3.direcway.com>

At 01:24 AM 8/27/03 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> > I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby
> > in the SCA.   It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA.  Ansteorra was
> > hosting it.  We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena
> > in Burnet Texas.  Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and
> > was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands".  So he was doing a
> > cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell.  Then he suddenly said, "How do 
> you
> > spell Ansteorra?"  My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up,
> > "T-E-X-A-S".  Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and
> > they were NOT amused.  LOL.
>
>
>THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em.   :)
>
>Ulf, Baron of Namron
>(Dang, that was a fun event...)

It was my ex.....and I have no idea where she is now or what she is 
doing.  Heh, heh.....not sure that I really want to know either.

It was fun...Rowan, Queen BROA.  All those swords in the air when she came 
in for grand court.  It was almost a "you are there moment".

Damaris 




From letebts at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 27 09:46:00 2003
From: letebts at earthlink.net (Elaine Crittenden)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:46:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <E19s3O4-0000es-00@pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex" (East), "Wessex" (West), 
"Sussex" (South), and the like?

Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South Carolina," etc.?

Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
J'es' wond'rin'....   ;-)

----------
>From: PKieferjr at aol.com
>
> ...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?
> Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
> nuke on us.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
> (Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra


From seirra78415 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 27 11:24:54 2003
From: seirra78415 at yahoo.com (inez stock)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:24:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 43
In-Reply-To: <200308271700.h7RH07a11134@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <20030827182454.41464.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com>

I do not understand why the kingdom needs to be spilt. I am coming in late on this. could somone please tell me why they would spilt up such a good thing if it is not broken do not fixs it.  In service to the kingdom Lady Mary Bradford.

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits (Medicfem at aol.com)
2. Re: In Search of Several People (jerryn at houston.rr.com)
3. Re: Event Limits? (Galen W. Bevel)
4. Re: Ansteorran State of Mind (Ulf Gunnarsson)
5. Re: Re: Ansteorran State of Mind (Susan Wieland)
6. Re: Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits (Elaine Crittenden)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:48:06 EDT
From: Medicfem at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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In a message dated 8/26/03 8:58:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:

> b) if the kingdom split without going through a principality stage, why 
> not, as 
> someone suggested, use something along the lines or North/South Ansteorra? 
> For 
> that matter a principality could conceivably do the same (as in the case of 
> West Virginia [a state, not a principality]

Being of one of the southern most shires in this kingdom, I must reply. 
"South Ansteorra" .... I don't like the sound of it. It is a dead horse. 
The last three groups to the south in Ansteorra are coastal shires. We are 
kind of unified. Often the only people that consistantly go to each others 
events are those from these three sister shires. I feel when it comes to the 
breaking of a kingdom, many alliances have already been forged that would be 
difficult to break. Our motto... We keep the Kings coast... not the Prince's coast. 
with love for the mamouth size kingdom of ANSTEORRA,

Lady Caley of Lancashire
Shire of Seawinds - Celebrating 20 years as a proud Ansteorran shire in 2004


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:13:36 -0500
From: jerryn at houston.rr.com
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: In Search of Several People
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Message-ID: <16b2db16aaec.16aaec16b2db at texas.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

replied to privately

In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
HL Gerald of Leesville
Ravenskald of Ravensfort
A Bard of Stargate
Kingdom Ansteorra.


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:05:44 -0500
From: "Galen W. Bevel" 
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Message-ID: <410-22003822621544743 at ix.netcom.com>
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> On Wednesday 20 August 2003 06:34 pm, Elizabeth Crouchet wrote:
> Well, we are much bigger than a small kingdom like the Outlands with ony
30 
> groups but large kingdoms have as many groups as us. The East, for 
> example, which has something like 75 groups in 4 regions. The Middle has 
> 84 in 4 regions and that does not count the 35 in the soon to be kingdom 
> of Northshield. Yes, those are big kingdoms but they manage their
calendar 
> somehow. Perhaps we should look over some of their ideas and see if they 
> are worth stealing. ;-)
>
>
> CD
>


Years ago when I was Kingdom seneschal I checked into other Kingdom's
practices because our calendar was getting out of hand even then. If I
remember correctly, one of the more common ways that large kingdoms handled
the problem then was to lock down their calendar very early. My faulty
memory seems to remember that the Middle was one of these, but I could
easily be wrong. What I mean is that _all_ events are scheduled in the
previous year. If you want to have an event on the calendar in 2004, you
must have it approved, and all the paperwork done and turned in to the KS
in time to make the deadline so that the calendar for the entire year can
be published in the January Kingdom newsletter. That means if you want to
have a 2004 Yule revel, you would probably have to get the paperwork into
the kingdom by at least November 2003 so they have time to put together the
calendar and make the December 1st deadline for the January BlackStar. I
believe that some Kingdoms had an even earlier deadline,like June or so,to
allow lead time for the January events. Taken to extremes, it could end up
meaning that you would have to do the paperwork on your event from 1.5 to 2
years in advance. Not necessarily a proponent or opponent of this idea, it
was just one that I remembered that I thought you all might like to hear. 

Graf Galen Kirchenbauer


------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: 27 Aug 2003 01:24:42 -0500
From: Ulf Gunnarsson 
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
To: Kingdom of "Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Message-ID: <1061953612.2863.15.camel at chuckles.cafecanem.com>
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On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby 
> in the SCA. It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA. Ansteorra was 
> hosting it. We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena 
> in Burnet Texas. Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and 
> was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands". So he was doing a 
> cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell. Then he suddenly said, "How do you 
> spell Ansteorra?" My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up, 
> "T-E-X-A-S". Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and 
> they were NOT amused. LOL.


THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em. :)

Ulf, Baron of Namron
(Dang, that was a fun event...)


------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:07:04 -0500
From: Susan Wieland 
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030827060323.00a2d680 at pop3.direcway.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

At 01:24 AM 8/27/03 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> > I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby
> > in the SCA. It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA. Ansteorra was
> > hosting it. We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena
> > in Burnet Texas. Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and
> > was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands". So he was doing a
> > cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell. Then he suddenly said, "How do 
> you
> > spell Ansteorra?" My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up,
> > "T-E-X-A-S". Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and
> > they were NOT amused. LOL.
>
>
>THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em. :)
>
>Ulf, Baron of Namron
>(Dang, that was a fun event...)

It was my ex.....and I have no idea where she is now or what she is 
doing. Heh, heh.....not sure that I really want to know either.

It was fun...Rowan, Queen BROA. All those swords in the air when she came 
in for grand court. It was almost a "you are there moment".

Damaris 



------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:46:00 -0500
From: "Elaine Crittenden" 
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." ,
ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex" (East), "Wessex" (West), 
"Sussex" (South), and the like?

Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South Carolina," etc.?

Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
J'es' wond'rin'.... ;-)

----------
>From: PKieferjr at aol.com
>
> ...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?
> Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
> nuke on us.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
> (Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)
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From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 12:11:01 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:11:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <Law11-F39YHkidcDjoY0000735d@hotmail.com>

If you want an earful on the Dakota Territory becomming two states and the 
briggands from South Dakota stealing the name, catch me at an event 
sometime.  :)

Morgan
North Dakota Native
Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.


From: "Elaine Crittenden" <letebts at earthlink.net>


Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex" (East), "Wessex" (West),
"Sussex" (South), and the like?

Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South Carolina," etc.?

Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
J'es' wond'rin'....   ;-)

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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 12:16:29 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:16:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 43
In-Reply-To: <20030827182454.41464.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <200308271700.h7RH07a11134@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <3F4CBD3D.4700.692D0B@localhost>

On 27 Aug 2003 at 11:24, inez stock wrote:

> I do not understand why the kingdom needs to be spilt. I am coming in
> late on this. could somone please tell me why they would spilt up such
> a good thing if it is not broken do not fixs it.  In service to the
> kingdom Lady Mary Bradford.
> 

I do not believe any one is actually advocating splitting the kingdom, although creating a 
principality or two has been discussed in the past. I think right now it is just a 
hypothetical exercise in response to crowded calendar issues. And, we seem to be 
agreed that actually splitting the kingdom right now would not necessarily solve THAT 
problem.
However, it poses fascinating what-if exploration of cultural or anthropological issues. 
And it seems to be  spurring a little patriotism, which is never a bad thing if we don't get 
carried away with it. 

Just my observations,

Claire 


From dbw6969 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 27 12:40:54 2003
From: dbw6969 at yahoo.com (David Whitford)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:40:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F39YHkidcDjoY0000735d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030827194054.69605.qmail@web11802.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
Are you here yet?
 Robert
> 
> Morgan
> North Dakota Native
> Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.
> 
> 
> From: "Elaine Crittenden" <letebts at earthlink.net>
> 
> 
> Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex"
> (East), "Wessex" (West),
> "Sussex" (South), and the like?
> 
> Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South
> Carolina," etc.?
> 
> Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
> J'es' wond'rin'....   ;-)
> 
> -
> 
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From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 13:33:12 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:33:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <Law11-F46saJbqJGNzs000076b8@hotmail.com>

They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.  :)

Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran


From: David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com>

Are you here yet?
  Robert

--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:

 >
 > Morgan
 > North Dakota Native
 > Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.

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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Wed Aug 27 13:43:29 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:43:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F46saJbqJGNzs000076b8@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <019301c36cdb$df7a07a0$0f00000a@nomadics.com>

Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...

Jean Paul :)


Carl Chipman
Nomadics, Inc.
cchipman at nomadics.com
http://www.nomadics.com


-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Michael Smith
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:33 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits

They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
:)

Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran


From: David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com>

Are you here yet?
  Robert

--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:

 >
 > Morgan
 > North Dakota Native
 > Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.



From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 14:44:46 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:44:46 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
References: <019301c36cdb$df7a07a0$0f00000a@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE37GWSa1aNEV0000046e@hotmail.com>

Won't happen.  Even if you kill me, it'd be MONTHS before my fingers get
cold in west Texas!  :)

Morgan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Chipman"


> Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...
>
> Jean Paul :)
>
>
> Carl Chipman
> Nomadics, Inc.
> cchipman at nomadics.com
> http://www.nomadics.com
>
>

>
> They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
> :)
>
> Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran



From mtucker at airmail.net  Wed Aug 27 14:58:28 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE37GWSa1aNEV0000046e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9735B0B2-D8D9-11D7-BC9B-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 04:44  PM, Michael Smith wrote:

> Won't happen.  Even if you kill me, it'd be MONTHS before my fingers 
> get
> cold in west Texas!  :)
>
> Morgan
>

Thanks, Morgan. That's the funniest thing I've read on this list in a 
while. Actually laughed out loud. :-)

Michael Silverhands



From eirik at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 15:00:12 2003
From: eirik at hot.rr.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:00:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE37GWSa1aNEV0000046e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601c36ce6$9a0e4450$1402a8c0@eirik>

Ah, the wonders of dry ice.

Eirik

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org 
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Michael Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:45 PM
> To: cchipman at nomadics.com; Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
> 
> 
> Won't happen.  Even if you kill me, it'd be MONTHS before my 
> fingers get cold in west Texas!  :)
> 
> Morgan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Chipman"
> 
> 
> > Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...
> >
> > Jean Paul :)
> >
> >
> > Carl Chipman
> > Nomadics, Inc.
> > cchipman at nomadics.com
> > http://www.nomadics.com
> >
> >
> 
> >
> > They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead 
> > fingers.
> > :)
> >
> > Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran
> 
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From rixende at mail2noble.com  Wed Aug 27 06:28:19 2003
From: rixende at mail2noble.com (Jhan Knebel)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:28:19 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Scribal Go Nuts!!!!
Message-ID: <1842701c36c9f$14568440$0a0d010a@mail2world.com>

Cool site with page turning capabilities of period bibles, Qa'ran, and
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From derrykcarr at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 16:43:19 2003
From: derrykcarr at hotmail.com (Derryk Carr)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:43:19 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <BAY8-F46MlDNBO49mV5000001e3@hotmail.com>

Of course you could always do hat I have seen a few people do.... Get it 
tattooed to your body. Then they would have to carve it out of your cold 
hard flesh.

Aldric de Kerr


>From: "Carl Chipman" <cchipman at nomadics.com>
>Reply-To: cchipman at nomadics.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc." 
><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:43:29 -0500
>
>Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...
>
>Jean Paul :)
>
>
>Carl Chipman
>Nomadics, Inc.
>cchipman at nomadics.com
>http://www.nomadics.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Michael Smith
>Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:33 PM
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
>
>They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
>:)
>
>Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran
>
>
>From: David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com>
>
>Are you here yet?
>   Robert
>
>--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  >
>  > Morgan
>  > North Dakota Native
>  > Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.
>
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From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 19:15:00 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:15:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization (was: Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 09:34 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:

(snip)

>Alden
>(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )


Humph. you're just a whippersnapper.

	-Tivar Moondragon
Ansteorran fossil, coming up on 28 years


From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 19:15:00 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:15:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030827171346.006bd740@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 07:43 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:

>>Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
>>bottom, rather than the top.
>>
>>	-Tivar Moondragon
>>	obsessive cartographer


>Is is "just" upside down or is it upside down and backwards? Not that sure 
>of west Ansteorra.
>
>plachoya
>
>humble archer
>Ravens Fort Ansteorra


Sweetwater is west of Abeline. If you print the map out and turn it over,
then your only confusion will be reading the highway numbers upside down.

	-Tivar Moondragon



From YsfaelEleanor at aol.com  Wed Aug 27 21:16:01 2003
From: YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:16:01 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <19f.1994d582.2c7edc01@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/27/2003 6:47:59 PM Central Daylight Time, 
derrykcarr at hotmail.com writes:


> Of course you could always do hat I have seen a few people do.... Get it 
> tattooed to your body. Then they would have to carve it out of your cold 
> hard flesh.
> 
> Aldric de Kerr
> 

ewwwwwww

eleanor


From dyanford at txucom.net  Wed Aug 27 22:59:29 2003
From: dyanford at txucom.net (Dyan Ford)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:59:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization 
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
References: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3F4D9A41.8010609@txucom.net>

Dear Heart,

If _you_ are a 'fossil'... I guess that makes me 'primordial ooze' ... 
_glowing_ primordial ooze!! <BEG>

Shanahan the Fey, called Stormbearer  (circa  1972 -- A.S. VI )




From michaeloflangley at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 06:31:14 2003
From: michaeloflangley at hotmail.com (Michael of Langley)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <Law12-F40FpN9Z08WKU0000ac01@hotmail.com>

Well,

Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there anyone 
who can give the actual street address for the site?



"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."

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From ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 28 07:14:07 2003
From: ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net (Lady Deirdre)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:14:07 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <Law12-F40FpN9Z08WKU0000ac01@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <042801c36d6e$a589af80$c27f8a42@gateway.2wire.net>

A street address for a field next to a lake in the middle of no where west
texas.
Its exit 249 (just a few miles east of Sweetwater) off I-20 and go south.
You can't miss it from there.

Deirdre

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael of Langley" <michaeloflangley at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address


> Well,
>
> Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there
anyone
> who can give the actual street address for the site?
>
>
>
> "...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>
> Michael of Langley
>
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From toshirokoi at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 07:08:02 2003
From: toshirokoi at hotmail.com (Jesus Cavazos)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:08:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
Message-ID: <Law14-F112mhksTJgLP00048a11@hotmail.com>


I hate to tell you this, but there is no actual street address.
The site is out in the middle of the country. The way to get there is to go 
from Abilene to Sweetwater, or from Sweetwater to Abilene, on I-20. When you 
get to Exit 249, a few miles east of Sweetwater, turn south.
Just follow the map. The distance from I-20 to the fork in the road (I 
always wanted to say that) is about four and a half miles.Take the left 
fork. The distance from the fork to the site is only about a quarter mile. 
The site will be on your right. You'll know it by the little stone building 
by the side of the road.
It will seem like you've missed it and are half way to nowhere, but you'll 
be fine as long as you follow the map.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshall


>From: "Michael of Langley" <michaeloflangley at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
>
>Well,
>
>Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there anyone 
>who can give the actual street address for the site?
>
>
>"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>
>Michael of Langley
>

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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 28 10:28:23 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:28:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
In-Reply-To: <Law14-F112mhksTJgLP00048a11@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030828172823.78825.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>

Isn't there an address for the bait shop/store that is a little past the site?
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Jesus Cavazos <toshirokoi at hotmail.com> wrote:

I hate to tell you this, but there is no actual street address.
The site is out in the middle of the country. The way to get there is to go 
from Abilene to Sweetwater, or from Sweetwater to Abilene, on I-20. When you 
get to Exit 249, a few miles east of Sweetwater, turn south.
Just follow the map. The distance from I-20 to the fork in the road (I 
always wanted to say that) is about four and a half miles.Take the left 
fork. The distance from the fork to the site is only about a quarter mile. 
The site will be on your right. You'll know it by the little stone building 
by the side of the road.
It will seem like you've missed it and are half way to nowhere, but you'll 
be fine as long as you follow the map.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshall


>From: "Michael of Langley" 
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
>
>Well,
>
>Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc. Is there anyone 
>who can give the actual street address for the site?
>
>
>"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>
>Michael of Langley
>

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From michaeloflangley at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 10:34:18 2003
From: michaeloflangley at hotmail.com (Michael of Langley)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:34:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
Message-ID: <Law12-F6m9kfNHssSvG000025fc@hotmail.com>

Thank you m'lord!

We will see you there!



"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."

Michael of Langley




>From: "Jesus Cavazos" <toshirokoi at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:08:02 -0500
>
>
>I hate to tell you this, but there is no actual street address.
>The site is out in the middle of the country. The way to get there is to go 
>from Abilene to Sweetwater, or from Sweetwater to Abilene, on I-20. When 
>you get to Exit 249, a few miles east of Sweetwater, turn south.
>Just follow the map. The distance from I-20 to the fork in the road (I 
>always wanted to say that) is about four and a half miles.Take the left 
>fork. The distance from the fork to the site is only about a quarter mile. 
>The site will be on your right. You'll know it by the little stone building 
>by the side of the road.
>It will seem like you've missed it and are half way to nowhere, but you'll 
>be fine as long as you follow the map.
>
>HL Toshiro Koi
>WR Rapier Marshall
>
>
>>From: "Michael of Langley" <michaeloflangley at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
>>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
>>
>>Well,
>>
>>Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there 
>>anyone who can give the actual street address for the site?
>>
>>
>>"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>>
>>Michael of Langley
>>
>
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From bmccrory at oktax.state.ok.us  Thu Aug 28 10:44:51 2003
From: bmccrory at oktax.state.ok.us (Burke McCrory)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:44:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization (was: Kingdom Splitting: Was
	Event Limits)
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030828124234.03f7c850@mailhost.oktax.state.ok.us>

At 09:15 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>At 09:34 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
> >Alden
> >(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
>
>
>Humph. you're just a whippersnapper.
>
>         -Tivar Moondragon
>Ansteorran fossil, coming up on 28 years

I do love it when someone posts, that makes me feel young in the SCA.

Burke
who is celebrating 25 years this fall. 




From toshirokoi at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 12:01:10 2003
From: toshirokoi at hotmail.com (Jesus Cavazos)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:01:10 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
Message-ID: <Law14-F40z4lDPHpNwq00006987@hotmail.com>


I'm sure there is. But it's probably something like Box some number, Route 
something.
Little help that is unless you know the area or the place.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshall


>From: L T <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:28:23 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Isn't there an address for the bait shop/store that is a little past the 
>site?
>
>Lorraine DeerSlayer
>

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From gudze at pagancow.org  Thu Aug 28 11:53:00 2003
From: gudze at pagancow.org (Gudze O'Domhnaill)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:53:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <010b01c36d96$18dc0420$aba39bac@genji>

In my opinion, once Anseorran, always Ansteorran. I, for one, will always
consider myself Ansteorran, even though I now live in Northshield.

Regards,
~Gudze O'Domhnaill




From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 13:11:13 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:11:13 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Crown Tournament feast reservations
Message-ID: <LAW11-F40ogxLDp7mvj0000c10c@hotmail.com>

Greetings to all.

Dragonsfire Tor will be hosting Crown Tournament October 31 ? November 2, 
2003.  The Black Star is out and we are now taking prepaid reservations for 
feast.

Gilli of the Shire of Middleford will providing our food. The menu is:

Flavored Butters and Breads
>     Assorted Cheeses
>     Roast Beast
>     Pasta w/Herb and Garlic Sauce
>     Lyonnes Green Been Almandine
>     Savory Leg of Foul
>     Rice Surprise
>     Orange Glazed Carrots
>     Stuffed Baked Apples
>     Sweet and Unsweetened Tea, Water

Cost is separate from site.
Adults $8.00  		Children 6-12 $4.00 		Children 5 and under: free
NO FAMILY CAP  on FEAST

Make checks payable to SCA Inc./Canton of DFT
Mail to :
Janie Cason
1230 Isla
Stephenville, TX 76401

Please make reservations at crownfeast at hotmail.com. Not dftfeast2. My bad.  
As soon as I receive payment I will send you a confirmation if your email is 
provided.

Come join us. Reservations are limited to 150. I will be at Gothic this 
weekend if you wish to pay then.

We look forward to your reservations.

Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor

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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Thu Aug 28 15:03:05 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:03:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Map to Gothic War
Message-ID: <02ec01c36db0$28eb5950$0f00000a@nomadics.com>

My lady Gilyan made up some detailed aerial photos maps to Gothic war
this weekend for anyone wanting something a bit more north-oriented...
you can see them here:

http://www.cchipman.com/maps_to_gothic_war.htm

Jean Paul de Sens


Carl Chipman
Nomadics, Inc.
cchipman at nomadics.com
http://www.nomadics.com





From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Thu Aug 28 16:00:40 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:00:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Map to Gothic War
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030828180038.006e84b0@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 05:03 PM 8/28/03 -0500, you wrote:

>My lady Gilyan made up some detailed aerial photos maps to Gothic war
>this weekend for anyone wanting something a bit more north-oriented...
>you can see them here:
>
>http://www.cchipman.com/maps_to_gothic_war.htm
>
>Jean Paul de Sens


Now that's just *cool*! Did she get these off a public website somewhere,
or does she have "connections"?

	-Tivar Moondragon
	fossilized cartographer



From meraud at netzero.net  Fri Aug 22 21:02:01 2003
From: meraud at netzero.net (meraud)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:02:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [MR] Fw: SCAdian's missing son....please read
Message-ID: <000001c36dd5$134115c0$e1eb4bab@uymfdlvk>



> Forwarded as requested.... hope she finds him.
> 
> > >From: "grainnechormaic" <celtic_dragonslady at yahoo.com>
> > >Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:26:04 -0000
> > >Subject: [TY] SCAdian's missing son....please read
> > >
> > >My son, Nicholaus Kirkpatrick is missing.  The last reliable sighting
> > >of him was at pre-registration some day (the registrar isn't sure
> > >which day) the week of July 15, 2003 at Watkins College in Nashville.
> > >
> > >Please visit the link
> > > http://www.geocities.com/find_nick_22/Find_Nick.html 
> > >
> > >Please pass this link to everyone you know.  If he is alive and for
> > >whatever reason has decided to "go walkabout", he may be in or headed
> > >for the California area.
> > >
> > >Thanks to all.
> > >
> > >Grainne inghean Chormaic (m.k.a. Karen Kirkpatrick)
> 
> ========================================================================
>                    The Merry Rose Tavern at Cheapside
>     List Info: http://merryrose.atlantia.sca.org/
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From Patrickandjulia at aol.com  Thu Aug 28 19:57:53 2003
From: Patrickandjulia at aol.com (Patrickandjulia at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:57:53 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pavilion Raffle
Message-ID: <16.347cd3c4.2c801b31@aol.com>

Greetings All!

Rosenfeld is in the process of raffling off a list field pavilion set up 
including an 8x10 pavilion with pennants and complete setup, 2 wooden handcrafted 
breakdown chairs, 2 rugs, 2 banners, a handcrafted chest, a chess set and a 
small honor shield with your device for the low, low price of $5.00 per ticket.  
Tickets are available from Centurion William de Molay from now until drawing 
time at Three Kings.  You may purchase tickets from William at Gothic, Battle 
of the Pines, Elfsea Defender and, of course, at 3 Kings. You may also 
purchase tickets by mail.  If you would like to purchase tickets or need further 
info, please contact him at (903) 894-6067.  Pictures are available on the 3 Kings 
webpage at <A HREF="http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org">http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org</A>.

Patrick


From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Thu Aug 28 20:15:16 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:15:16 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization
In-Reply-To: <3F4D9A41.8010609@txucom.net>
Message-ID: <0320C104-D9CF-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 12:59 AM, Dyan Ford wrote:
> If _you_ are a 'fossil'... I guess that makes me 'primordial ooze' ... 
> _glowing_ primordial ooze!! <BEG>
>
> Shanahan the Fey, called Stormbearer  (circa  1972 -- A.S. VI )
So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
hear of the SCA?
What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
Stefan
--------
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    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
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From dyanford at txucom.net  Thu Aug 28 21:44:42 2003
From: dyanford at txucom.net (Dyan Ford)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:44:42 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <0320C104-D9CF-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>
References: <0320C104-D9CF-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3F4EDA3A.30407@txucom.net>

 >>>So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
hear of the SCA?
What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
Stefan<<<<

Oh Boy,  what a set of questions!  Let's see how I can answer....

First, I 'heard of the SCA in college, in the back of the book 'The 
Broken Sword' by Poul Anderson <sigh>.  From what I recall, it mentioned 
a group of  people who spent their summer vacations near Chicago, 
playing 'medieval'.  I remember telling my roommate than I was going as 
soon as I got out of school & got a job -- that was in 1969.  (I _still_ 
have yet to attend Pensic!)

In 1972, I decided that if I couldn't get to Chicago, I'd try to find 
like-minded folk in the Houston area.  So, I hand-lettered a 
'recruitment' poster & posted it at a local Comics Convention.  An old 
friend, JL3, saw it & asked why didn't I just join the group that was 
already in Houston.  I almost freaked, demanding more info.  He said 
that a group had formed some months earlier but had only 3 three 
people.  He offered to make some calls & see about setting up a meeting 
-- which he did.  We all met on the next Sunday to try to restart the 
Barony, 7 in person & 2 by proxy.

And since the group (then known only as 'The Barony in Houston') needed 
a name, we proceeded to debate possibilities.  In those days, groups 
were often named for a predominant local landmark.  Well, we sure didn't 
want the Bayou Barony!  So I thought of NASA and suggested 'StarGate' 
because a reporter had earlier dubbed Houston as the Gateway to the 
Stars.... everyone seemed to like it so the name stuck.  The device 
became a nine pointed star with 3 greater points for the original 
founders & 6 smaller points for the rest of us -- and 1 point was 
'supposed' to be a 'binary' because JL3 was the only married founder (at 
the time) & we wanted to include his Lady (which she now denies --- hey, 
that's how _I_ remember it! )

As to how has it changed..... oh, there are not words to properly 
describe the differences!  I mean, this was years before the Texas 
RenFaire, & we _lived_ the joke of "Are you in a Play?".  No one took us 
seriously and communications with others in the SCA just didn't exist -- 
the nearest groups were Draconia (Baton Rouge, LA) to the East and the 
Atenveldt Barony/Kingdom (Tempe, AZ) to the West.  In those days, there 
were only 4 Kingdoms & Atenveldt extended from the southern Atlantic 
States across to the border of California.  I remember how we struggled 
to find references and information about historical practices.  We truly 
did 'wing it' and things were accepted for the 'effort' involved in the 
making, not the 'historical accuracy' that is demanded today.   The 
Dream was almost a tangible thing in those days & anyone who even made 
the attempt was welcome to play.  I truly miss some of that 'tolerance'.

As to the most 'Memoriables' ... I'm afraid I'll have to put that into 
an article or something.  The email would be much too long!  And this 
email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.

Shanahan the Fey, MLA, OLA, OMS, Starholder




From morgancain at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 28 21:40:11 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:40:11 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra]  Crown Tournament feast reservations 
References: <200308290448.h7T4m2a15860@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <019701c36de7$fe98b700$76051e43@homeseries>

> Gilli of the Shire of Middleford will providing our food. The menu is:
> 
> >     Savory Leg of Foul

Man, I hope that is a typo..........


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From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Thu Aug 28 22:51:45 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:51:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <3F4EDA3A.30407@txucom.net>
Message-ID: <DF999615-D9E4-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

Shanahan the Fey answered me with:
On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 11:44 PM, Dyan Ford wrote:

> >>>So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
> hear of the SCA?
> What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
> the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
> Stefan<<<<
>
> Oh Boy,  what a set of questions!  Let's see how I can answer....

> In 1972, I decided that if I couldn't get to Chicago, I'd try to find 
> like-minded folk in the Houston area.  So, I hand-lettered a 
> 'recruitment' poster & posted it at a local Comics Convention.  An old 
> friend, JL3, saw it & asked why didn't I just join the group that was 
> already in Houston.  I almost freaked, demanding more info.  He said 
> that a group had formed some months earlier but had only 3 three 
> people.  He offered to make some calls & see about setting up a 
> meeting -- which he did.  We all met on the next Sunday to try to 
> restart the Barony, 7 in person & 2 by proxy.
Oh Thank you! Thank you. This is wonderful. You've given details of 
both Stargate and Ansteorran history which I've never heard before. In 
fact, you've managed to get this message saved for the Anst-hist-msg, 
SCA-hist-msg and the placenames-msg files in the Florilegium. :-)

Sigh. What was wrong with "The Bayou Barony"? Although I guess that 
would need to be changed a little bit to "Green Bayou" or "Bayou 
Country" or some such.
> As to the most 'Memoriables' ... I'm afraid I'll have to put that into 
> an article or something.  The email would be much too long!
Please? Pretty please? I'd love to have such articles on the early days 
of the SCA or the might have been stories or just first hand accounts 
of how it was different then. In some kingdoms folks think driving two 
or three hours to an event is too far. From the recent discussions here 
on whether the kingdom calender is overloaded or not. On whether 
Ansteorra should split because it has too many groups etc, you can see 
quite a contrast from what I've been told of the early days of the SCA. 
I suspect that had you told folks then that there would be a choice of 
two or three events every weekend, that Pennsic would have over 12 
thousand folks attending, they wouldn't have believed it. The baronies 
usually have more members now than the kingdoms did then.

My standard policy for Florilegium articles is that the author keeps 
the copyright and I will accept updates or removal requests :-( at any 
time. I just want to get interesting, useful info out there where folks 
can use it and enjoy it.
> And this email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.
I don't think so and I really doubt very many others do either. I'd 
rather read this than another flamewar on principalities. :-)
>
> Shanahan the Fey, MLA, OLA, OMS, Starholder
Stefan
--------
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    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
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From cadunham at worldnet.att.net  Thu Aug 28 23:08:28 2003
From: cadunham at worldnet.att.net (Chris A. Dunham)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:08:28 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <DF999615-D9E4-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <MFEAJMFCKKCDIHALCCCLAEPICAAA.cadunham@worldnet.att.net>

>> And this email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.
>I don't think so and I really doubt very many others do either. I'd
>rather read this than another flamewar on principalities. :-)

Absolutely.  I'd definitely love to hear more of this than constant (and
somewhat pointless) debates.  So, yes, give us more!!

Xavier William Terrant
House Rivenshield



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Fri Aug 29 00:00:02 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:00:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra]  Crown Tournament feast reservations
References: <200308290448.h7T4m2a15860@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
	<019701c36de7$fe98b700$76051e43@homeseries>
Message-ID: <000701c36dfb$2c783480$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

OPPS!!!

That was a foul mistake on my fowl dish.  :)

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Morgan Cain (Ansteorra)" <morgancain at earthlink.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Crown Tournament feast reservations


> > Gilli of the Shire of Middleford will providing our food. The menu is:
> > 
> > >     Savory Leg of Foul
> 
> Man, I hope that is a typo..........
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> " There is no key to happiness. The door is always open. "  (Unknown)
> "....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
>         ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)
> _______________________________________________
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From Julie at ettros.com  Fri Aug 29 05:51:59 2003
From: Julie at ettros.com (Julie Cunningham)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:51:59 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
Message-ID: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>

Being a newbie still, I LOVE stories like this.  Is there a place somewhere to read more about the history of the SCA?  How did Steppes get started?

Kathryn of Ayr
(Kate)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dyan Ford [mailto:dyanford at txucom.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:45 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories


 >>>So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
hear of the SCA?
What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
Stefan<<<<

Oh Boy,  what a set of questions!  Let's see how I can answer....

First, I 'heard of the SCA in college, in the back of the book 'The 
Broken Sword' by Poul Anderson <sigh>.  From what I recall, it mentioned 
a group of  people who spent their summer vacations near Chicago, 
playing 'medieval'.  I remember telling my roommate than I was going as 
soon as I got out of school & got a job -- that was in 1969.  (I _still_ 
have yet to attend Pensic!)

In 1972, I decided that if I couldn't get to Chicago, I'd try to find 
like-minded folk in the Houston area.  So, I hand-lettered a 
'recruitment' poster & posted it at a local Comics Convention.  An old 
friend, JL3, saw it & asked why didn't I just join the group that was 
already in Houston.  I almost freaked, demanding more info.  He said 
that a group had formed some months earlier but had only 3 three 
people.  He offered to make some calls & see about setting up a meeting 
-- which he did.  We all met on the next Sunday to try to restart the 
Barony, 7 in person & 2 by proxy.

And since the group (then known only as 'The Barony in Houston') needed 
a name, we proceeded to debate possibilities.  In those days, groups 
were often named for a predominant local landmark.  Well, we sure didn't 
want the Bayou Barony!  So I thought of NASA and suggested 'StarGate' 
because a reporter had earlier dubbed Houston as the Gateway to the 
Stars.... everyone seemed to like it so the name stuck.  The device 
became a nine pointed star with 3 greater points for the original 
founders & 6 smaller points for the rest of us -- and 1 point was 
'supposed' to be a 'binary' because JL3 was the only married founder (at 
the time) & we wanted to include his Lady (which she now denies --- hey, 
that's how _I_ remember it! )

As to how has it changed..... oh, there are not words to properly 
describe the differences!  I mean, this was years before the Texas 
RenFaire, & we _lived_ the joke of "Are you in a Play?".  No one took us 
seriously and communications with others in the SCA just didn't exist -- 
the nearest groups were Draconia (Baton Rouge, LA) to the East and the 
Atenveldt Barony/Kingdom (Tempe, AZ) to the West.  In those days, there 
were only 4 Kingdoms & Atenveldt extended from the southern Atlantic 
States across to the border of California.  I remember how we struggled 
to find references and information about historical practices.  We truly 
did 'wing it' and things were accepted for the 'effort' involved in the 
making, not the 'historical accuracy' that is demanded today.   The 
Dream was almost a tangible thing in those days & anyone who even made 
the attempt was welcome to play.  I truly miss some of that 'tolerance'.

As to the most 'Memoriables' ... I'm afraid I'll have to put that into 
an article or something.  The email would be much too long!  And this 
email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.

Shanahan the Fey, MLA, OLA, OMS, Starholder


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From rbnew5 at netscape.net  Fri Aug 29 10:56:51 2003
From: rbnew5 at netscape.net (Elizabeth Hawkwood)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:56:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pavilion Raffle
References: <16.347cd3c4.2c801b31@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F4F93E3.50701@netscape.net>

I could not reach the desired page from the link you gave but, after a 
little
reasearch I found it at:
http://rosenfeld.ansteorra.org/threekings/three_kings_2003.htm
All I have to say is, "WOW!!"

/Elizabeth Hawkwood

Patrickandjulia at aol.com wrote:

>Greetings All!
>
>Rosenfeld is in the process of raffling off a list field pavilion set up 
>including an 8x10 pavilion with pennants and complete setup, 2 wooden handcrafted 
>breakdown chairs, 2 rugs, 2 banners, a handcrafted chest, a chess set and a 
>small honor shield with your device for the low, low price of $5.00 per ticket.  
>Tickets are available from Centurion William de Molay from now until drawing 
>time at Three Kings.  You may purchase tickets from William at Gothic, Battle 
>of the Pines, Elfsea Defender and, of course, at 3 Kings. You may also 
>purchase tickets by mail.  If you would like to purchase tickets or need further 
>info, please contact him at (903) 894-6067.  Pictures are available on the 3 Kings 
>webpage at <A HREF="http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org">http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org</A>.
>
>Patrick
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>

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From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Fri Aug 29 15:31:07 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:31:07 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030829172729.006ca520@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 12:59 AM 8/28/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear Heart,
>
>If _you_ are a 'fossil'... I guess that makes me 'primordial ooze' ... 
>_glowing_ primordial ooze!! <BEG>
>
>Shanahan the Fey, called Stormbearer  (circa  1972 -- A.S. VI )


<chuckle> Shanahan, you're one of about five people who remember *me* as a
newbie.

	-Tivar Moondragon


From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Fri Aug 29 19:18:05 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:18:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>
Message-ID: <30BC7458-DA90-11D7-85E5-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

  Kathryn of Ayr asked:
> Being a newbie still, I LOVE stories like this.  Is there a place 
> somewhere to read more about the history of the SCA?  How did Steppes 
> get started?
Well, you might be interested in some of the files in the SCA-STORIES 
section of the Florilegium such as:
Anst-hist-msg     (86K)  3/22/01    Histories of the Kingdom of 
Ansteorra.
Anst-sword-msg    (25K)  2/17/99    Histories of the Ansteorran Sword 
of State.
child-stories-msg (44K)  9/ 7/01    Stories of SCA children.
Mordona-arbed-art  (8K)  2/21/00    Mordonna DuBois' adventure at 
Estrella.
placenames-msg   (110K) 10/ 4/00    Origins and meanings of SCA 
placenames.
placenames2-msg   (60K)  1/22/02    More origins and meanings of SCA 
placenmaes.
romance-today-msg (12K)  4/13/00    Romantic ideas from period to use 
today.
SCA-authors-msg   (36K) 12/16/94    Authors who have been/are SCA 
members.
SCA-fence-hst-msg	(14K) 11/19/99    History of rapier combat in the SCA.
SCA-hist3-msg    (126K)  5/29/01    Msgs on the history of the SCA.
SCA-in-books-msg  (32K)  8/21/96    Mentions of the SCA in books and 
magazines.
SCA-noteables-msg (19K)  4/12/01    20th century noteables in the SCA.
SCA-romance-msg   (33K) 10/12/01    SCA romances and meeting SOs in the 
SCA.
SCA-stories3-msg  (64K)  2/22/00    SCA stories related after 5/1/96.
vanity-plates-msg (50K) 10/19/98    SCA vanity auto license plates.
you-know-msg      (99K)  5/13/99    You know you're in the SCA when...

You might also look at the SCA-SOCIOLOGY section and since you say you 
are new, the NEWCOMERS section.
And when you finish those, there are about 1800 other files in the 
Florilegium to take a look at. :-)
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****



From jyeates at realtime.net  Fri Aug 29 23:51:12 2003
From: jyeates at realtime.net (jay yeates)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:51:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030829172729.006ca520@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <049601c36ec3$1c6a9150$0a7ba8c0@kharsag>

 
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<chuckle> Shanahan, you're one of about five people who remember *me* as a newbie.

...
and fewer still as a pre-newbie .. (g)

'wolf

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From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 30 20:53:39 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>
References: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>
Message-ID: <3F517143.7070909@earthlink.net>

Julie Cunningham wrote:
> Being a newbie still, I LOVE stories like this.  Is there a place somewhere to read more about the history of the SCA?  How did Steppes get started?
> 
> Kathryn of Ayr
> (Kate)

There's lots of interesting reading in the old BoD minutes.

The current minutes are here:  http://www.sca.org/BOD/welcome.html

The historical minutes are here:  http://www.sca.org/BOD/minutes/

--Perronnelle

-- 
Don't use the name of the Lord in vain:  Make sure whoever you're 
swearing at sees every gesture and hears every word.  -- Raymond Lesser, 
20 Things I Learned from God (or voices inside myhead, I'm not sure 
which, yet)



From burkemc at cox.net  Sat Aug 30 22:33:25 2003
From: burkemc at cox.net (Burke McCrory)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:33:25 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Wiesenfeuer Baronial Champion rescheduled to Sunday
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030831002529.03e1baf8@pop.central.cox.net>

I just got back in from Wiesenfeuer Baronial Champion and at His 
Excellency's request am posting the following.  Because of heavy rain that 
moved in just at the end of court His Excellency Lucais has rescheduled the 
Chivalric List to Sunday at 10am.  He hopes that everyone who was unable to 
attend the list at its original Saturday Night time, will come up and 
participate on Sunday in the bright light of day for the coveted title 
of  Wiesenfeuer Baronial Champion.

Sir Burke




From cyranobcc at netzero.net  Sun Aug 31 10:06:57 2003
From: cyranobcc at netzero.net (cyranobcc)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:06:57 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Academy of the Rapier
Message-ID: <011c01c36fe2$4ab87340$698d4a43@pcname>

Unto all good gentles of this fair land, I, Lord Brian mac Cael, wish to invite you all to attend ACADEMY OF THE RAPIER, to be held in the Barony of the Stargate on September 13, 2003!!!

Teaching will be geared to all levels of skill and knowledge and will include Classroom, Drilling, Sparring, and One-On-One instruction.

The Academy will be run in conjunction with Stargate's "A Day at the Coliseum", so there will be plenty of activities for non-rapier combatants too.  Both events will come together for evening feast.

Website info will be available shortly.

Contact me at: 281-895-8170 or cyranobcc at netzero.net with any questions.



From niklas at pbgilbert.net  Sun Aug 31 18:49:58 2003
From: niklas at pbgilbert.net (Paul Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:49:58 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Raven's Fort Defender XXI Web Page
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030831204713.0289ec60@mail.cox-internet.com>

Greetings,

The web page for this years Barony of Raven's Fort Defender XXI is up with 
info about the event and the feast menu.

The URL is.....

www.ravensfortevents.com

If anyone has any questions about the event please let us know.

HE Niklas
Baron of Raven's Fort



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Paul Gilbert,   KE5ZW                   H.E. Niklas Vasilevich,
Huntsville, Texas                       Baron of The Barony Raven's Fort
niklas at pbgilbert.net                    CSM, Crane, ORH, KGA , AoA
936-291-9532 home                               Kingdom of Ansteorra
936-581-5632 cellular                           Society for Creative 
Anachronism
                               AIM Name: KE5ZW
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




From ylwrose2 at juno.com  Fri Aug  1 06:26:58 2003
From: ylwrose2 at juno.com (ylwrose2 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:26:58 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <20030801.062700.868.15.ylwrose2@juno.com>

> >"Their Oaken Excellencies" speaks of the stalwart strength of the 
> > Oak Tree and of Their Excellencies Steppes.
> >
> >Morgan the Taller
> 
> 
> Let's see...
> 
> Steppes: Their Downtrodden Excellencies

Good Don Tivar, despite your good-natured attempt at humor, I must
protest.  If you are alluding to the "steps" in our baronial ensign, they
lead upward.  I would suggest instead, Their Enduring Excellencies, as a
cousin of our founding Baron (who bears an *amazing* family resemblance
to the Baron himself) was seen in our fair lands only last summer. 
Enduring indeed!

Lady Francesca

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From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Fri Aug  1 07:22:45 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:22:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: "Bear" History
In-Reply-To: <200308011412.h71ECnA11586@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEGEMADDAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Mistress Shanahan said:
>In the pre-history times, Bjornsborg
>was "Bears-Fort" ... Bear --> Bare...
>See..?

Bjornsborg's arms have two white bears.  The history of the name also should
note that San Antonio is in Bexar County, which is pronounced "bay-har" and
sounds remarkably like "bear" if done quickly.

::GUNNVOR::

(Older than rope, but not older than dirt.)



From Gwenhuyvar at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 08:23:11 2003
From: Gwenhuyvar at aol.com (Gwenhuyvar at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:23:11 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] German Fest Cabins
Message-ID: <160.23f2a53e.2c5bdfdf@aol.com>

Greetings,
If you would like to make cabin reservation for German Fest September 19-21 , 
please contact me as soon as possible at <A HREF="mailto:gwenhuyvar at aol.com">gwenhuyvar at aol.com</A>.  They are 
filling up fast.  When you contact me give me the SCA name and Mundane Name of each 
person you are making reservations for.  Thanks a lot.
In service 
Lady Gwenhuyvar verch Morgant Dedwydd
Shire of Brad Leah


From Julie at ettros.com  Fri Aug  1 08:53:13 2003
From: Julie at ettros.com (Julie Cunningham)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:53:13 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] German Fest Cabins
Message-ID: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E012ACBA7@ettros2.ettros.com>

Where is this?  Please help the newbie!

Kathryn of Ayr
(Julie)

-----Original Message-----
From: Gwenhuyvar at aol.com [mailto:Gwenhuyvar at aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:23 AM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] German Fest Cabins


Greetings,
If you would like to make cabin reservation for German Fest September 19-21 , 
please contact me as soon as possible at <A HREF="mailto:gwenhuyvar at aol.com">gwenhuyvar at aol.com</A>.  They are 
filling up fast.  When you contact me give me the SCA name and Mundane Name of each 
person you are making reservations for.  Thanks a lot.
In service 
Lady Gwenhuyvar verch Morgant Dedwydd
Shire of Brad Leah
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From pippermint at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  1 13:34:15 2003
From: pippermint at sbcglobal.net (Paula Hanna)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:34:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
Message-ID: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>

As Baroness of Bonwicke, I was really hoping to have some cool title to tag onto my
name. Alas, our arms are just 100 percent charge-free! For those who don't know,
they are a red and gold countercharged dancity. Hm.

I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or something
like that.

Oriana
Lady Bonwicke
who entertains herself greatly
;o)


From gam at door.net  Fri Aug  1 08:39:00 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:39:00 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Pity Party
Message-ID: <002901c35843$07cf8700$6701a8c0@anns>

Good People of the Ansteorra, friends: 

We the Barony of Bonwicke wish our travelers well, and that their journey to the Eastern lands are safe. May you return with many great memories and stories to tell us. To that end, We want to remind you that at Our lands will be a Pennsic Pity Party. There are plans for a snowball tourney, bardic, arts, and other activities. So plan on joining us on August 8-10 2003

Site Fee: Show up with camping gear or sleeping bag to stay at the house. Plenty of floor space available. Site is Maximillian and Anastasiya's Property. Note house is owned by cats and dogs they just let the humans live there.

Feast Fee: Pot luck- bring something or have something for the ladies to prepare. 

Directions: From points East and South. Make your way to I-27 head north past the airport. Take exit 11 (FM 1294) heading west. approximately 10 miles you will come to a gently curve. There will be a crossroad there turn right. You are now on FM 2528. The site is the 7th house. Sign will be posted. 

Points North coming down I-27 please take exit 11 and follow previous instruction.

Points West if coming from Brownfield take loop to North Frankford (FM 2528) go past the Walmart and then on to Clovis Hwy (84). Go across railroad tracks, you will come to a stop sign approximately 6 miles continue until you come to the 7th house. Signs will be posted.

If coming from Clovis, take the first stop light left (north) at FM 2528, cross the railroad tracks and follow previous instructions.

If you get lost call 806-741-1828 or 806-787-8007

If you can not make Pennsic, hope to see you there. Remember War in the Western Lands of Ansteorra is just a few weeks away.


From hlannes at ev1.net  Fri Aug  1 15:01:01 2003
From: hlannes at ev1.net (D. Vandever)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:01:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c35878$6aaabcc0$75d6dacf@dvanderver>

My Dear Baroness of Bonwicke,
If memory serves me, your illustrious barony is the farthest West in our
fair Kingdom. Perhaps that would entitle you to the epithet of "The Really
Way Out There Excellency". Just my 2 cents of suggestion. Until then, I
remain...
In Service,
Annes
Dear God,  Help me to be the person
my dog thinks I am.  Amen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paula Hanna" <pippermint at sbcglobal.net>
To: "ansteorra" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 3:34 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)


> As Baroness of Bonwicke, I was really hoping to have some cool title to
tag onto my
> name. Alas, our arms are just 100 percent charge-free! For those who don't
know,
> they are a red and gold countercharged dancity. Hm.
>
> I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or
something
> like that.
>
> Oriana
> Lady Bonwicke
> who entertains herself greatly
> ;o)
> _______________________________________________
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> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>



From chiang at odsy.net  Fri Aug  1 15:19:03 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:19:03 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
	<001b01c35878$6aaabcc0$75d6dacf@dvanderver>
Message-ID: <003101c3587a$eafbf0e0$5150cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

No kidding, a bout 90 miles and we are in another Kingdom.
HE Chiang, who is luckily landless

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Vandever" <hlannes at ev1.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)


> My Dear Baroness of Bonwicke,
> If memory serves me, your illustrious barony is the farthest West in our
> fair Kingdom. Perhaps that would entitle you to the epithet of "The Really
> Way Out There Excellency". Just my 2 cents of suggestion. Until then, I
> remain...
> In Service,
> Annes
> Dear God,  Help me to be the person
> my dog thinks I am.  Amen





From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  1 15:41:54 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:41:54 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Queens Champion
Message-ID: <BAY1-F86TAMyJKrFQNb00017fbd@hotmail.com>

Sounds as if I missed a very fine Queen's. Sure sucks when you have to fix 
things around the house instead of go play.

plachoya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra
>
>I think is is also worth noting that Don Tivar was awarded the Queen's
>Blade of Honor.
>
>Dor?
>
> >
> > The fighting was fierce, and I am pleased to say that not once was foul
> > called or warning given; each of the competitors upheld all that we
> > consider fair and just.
> >
> > In the final round (if age hasn't take my memory yet) Don Aaron Harper
> > fought Don Brendan McKewan.  In the end, Don Brendan won the tournament
> > and the honor to be called Queen's Champion.
> >
> > At the court that evening, Cadet Brian MacCael received a blade from the
> > hands of Her Serpentine Excellency for his valor on the field through
> > the day.
> >
> > In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
> > HL Gerald of Leesville
> > Ravenskald of Ravensfort
> > A bard of Stargate
> > Kingdom Ansteorra
> >

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From alexscribe at worldnet.att.net  Fri Aug  1 16:50:13 2003
From: alexscribe at worldnet.att.net (Eva Mehlhose)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:50:13 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c35887$a788de60$d8c9fea9@dell>


>
> I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or
something
> like that.
>
> Oriana
> Lady Bonwicke
> who entertains herself greatly
> ;o)


ooohhhhh....
does that make you a bonny wicked Lady?????????
grinning ear to ear
Alex the Scribe, Atenveldt

sorry, could absolutely positively not resist



From dirkthedead at cox.net  Fri Aug  1 18:41:24 2003
From: dirkthedead at cox.net (Dirk the Dead)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:41:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c35897$2f54d2e0$68216d44@dl.cox.net>

*rubs head in frustration*




> As Baroness of Bonwicke, I was really hoping to have some cool title to
tag onto my
> name. Alas, our arms are just 100 percent charge-free! For those who don't
know,
> they are a red and gold countercharged dancity. Hm.
>
> I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or
something
> like that.
>
> Oriana
> Lady Bonwicke
> who entertains herself greatly
> ;o)



From Jennamonster at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 21:16:28 2003
From: Jennamonster at aol.com (Jennamonster at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:16:28 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Seeking...
Message-ID: <1cd.e8ee4c2.2c5c951c@aol.com>


Would the good gentle in charge of Lost and Found from the recent Coronation 
kindly contact me off-list regarding a misplaced chirurgeon's baldric? I can 
describe it if you have said item. We did not see the original posting. 

With thanks,

Lady Elysia Katherine O'Malley


From catmafia at swbell.net  Sat Aug  2 18:41:19 2003
From: catmafia at swbell.net (Susan O'Neal)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 20:41:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>

I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them (and 
are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.  These are one of my 
favorite things and the ones Kit's friend brought from New Orleans just 
wern't that good, so I was going to make some.  This started me thinking 
about the fact that this is one of those things I learned from my mom and 
was never done with a recipe, you just did it and with whatever of the 
basic ingredience you had available-meaning I've made them possibly 
hundreds of different ways.  So I went to search for a recipe and found 10 
or so and was struck by how most were things I had done, but all were 
different.

I would love to hear how you all do it and what qualities the end result 
had, my favorite are the thick, creamy ones-but tend to enjoy any of the 
results.  I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole, 
which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  I also found the name 
of the person they were supposidly named after, 
http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html

Looking forward to hearing how everyone makes them,

Susan the Curious
catmafia at swbell.net




From Kvarner at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  2 20:39:59 2003
From: Kvarner at austin.rr.com (Kevin Varner)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:39:59 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <3.0.32.20030731184721.01638af0@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001601c35970$eab5d460$c1f7fea9@austin.rr.com>

Considering two of the guard live in your house I doubt we'd need to knock
at 3:00 a.m. ; )
HL Duncan MacConacher na' Dunheath
Captain, Baronial Guard
 &
Tivars Cadet

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Zakes" <moondrgn at austin.rr.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility


> At 06:09 PM 7/31/03 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >"Their Oaken Excellencies" speaks of the stalwart strength of the Oak
Tree
> >and of Their Excellencies Steppes.
> >
> >Morgan the Taller
>
>
> Let's see...
>
> Steppes: Their Downtrodden Excellencies
>
> Stargate: Their Spaced-Out Excellencies
>
> Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies
>
> Bordermarch: Their Borderline Excellencies
>
> Elfsea: Their Fair, but Soggy Excellencies
>
> Eldern Hills: Their Ancient Excellencies
>
> Bonwicke: Their Bonwicked Excellencies
>
> Namron: Their Twisted (or perhaps Blowhard) Excellencies
>
> Ravensfort: Their Flighty Excellencies
>
> Northkeep: Their Distant Excellencies
>
> Bryn Gwlad: Their Magnificent Excellencies (hey, I live there; you think I
> want the Baronial Guard knocking on my door at 3:00 A.M.? <G>)
>
> -Tivar Moondragon
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From Kvarner at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  2 20:41:24 2003
From: Kvarner at austin.rr.com (Kevin Varner)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:41:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <20030801002937.62344.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c35971$1ce5bae0$c1f7fea9@austin.rr.com>

Tell us a story Uncle Tivar!
Aerin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phelippe Descors" <ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility


> Do I really want to know the story behind this???
> 
>    Phelippe (the Wary)
> 
> Chris Zakes <moondrgn at austin.rr.com> wrote:At 06:09 PM
> 7/31/03 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> <snipped>
> 
> Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies
> 
> 
> -Tivar Moondragon
> 
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From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  2 21:04:31 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:04:31 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>
Message-ID: <95B92DB4-C567-11D7-94C3-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

Susan the Curious asked about pralines.
> I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them 
> (and are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.
I asked this question on the SCA-Cooks list. The praline as it is 
generally made now is from Louisiana. However, it is a variation on a 
sweet from Europe with several New World ingredients substituted 
because they weren't available in Louisiana. Pecans substituted for 
almonds? for instance. I can't remember the rest of the information 
right now, but I may have place it in this file in the FOOD-SWEETS 
section of the Florilegium:
candy-msg        (188K) 11/16/01    Period candy. Recipes. Candied 
fruit peels.

>  I also found the name of the person they were supposidly named after, 
> http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html
I'm not sure about this site, but on general principles I find such 
claims on commercial sites to be a bit suspect, especially if it adds 
glamour or romance to the item they are selling.
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****



From davidjhughes.tx at netzero.net  Sat Aug  2 21:11:55 2003
From: davidjhughes.tx at netzero.net (David Hughes)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 23:11:55 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>
Message-ID: <3F2C8B8B.5010600@netzero.net>



Susan O'Neal wrote:
> I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them 
> (and are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.  These are 
> one of my favorite things and the ones Kit's friend brought from New 
> Orleans just wern't that good, so I was going to make some.  This 
> started me thinking about the fact that this is one of those things I 
> learned from my mom and was never done with a recipe, you just did it 
> and with whatever of the basic ingredience you had available-meaning 
> I've made them possibly hundreds of different ways.  So I went to search 
> for a recipe and found 10 or so and was struck by how most were things I 
> had done, but all were different.
> 
> I would love to hear how you all do it and what qualities the end result 
> had, my favorite are the thick, creamy ones-but tend to enjoy any of the 
> results.  I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole, 
> which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  I also found the 
> name of the person they were supposidly named after, 
> http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html
> 
> Looking forward to hearing how everyone makes them,
> 
> Susan the Curious
> catmafia at swbell.net
> 
   From various sources

Praline
Etymology: French, from Count Plessis-Praslin died 1675 French soldier
Date: 1723

  Pralines have been a New Orleans tradition since the early 1700s, 
when Louisiana was still a French territory. Legend has it that a 
French military officer, Count Plessis-Praslin, ordered his chef to 
concoct a simple dessert made of sugar and pecans, both prevalent 
locally grown crops.

  C?sar de Choiseul, Count Plessis-Praslin (1598-1675), French soldier 
and diplomat

Out of period, by roughly 30 to 60 years, but still tasty!

David Gallowglass



From twilit16 at swbell.net  Sat Aug  2 23:21:27 2003
From: twilit16 at swbell.net (Twilight16)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 01:21:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] sale at renstore
Message-ID: <00ad01c35987$78b37630$0300a8c0@pavilion>

Greetings one and all,

Thought some of you might like this sale some stuff is up to 50% off.. Renstore.com

Baroness Elayne




From merlainenisaille at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  3 04:57:04 2003
From: merlainenisaille at hotmail.com (Merlaine ni Saille)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 07:57:04 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
Message-ID: <Sea2-F200xJdQdSe9g400012f0e@hotmail.com>

if you pose that question to the "SCAFoodsandFeasts" yahoogroup, I'm more 
than certain that they could find something similar.. 'fer instance: candied 
nuts (not pecans, they're indigenous to the US only), were served during the 
meal.. I can't tell you right now where in the meal it was, but there are 
several who do... I would suggest Master Huen of the Godecookery website.

Maire

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From vscribe at ansteorra.org  Sun Aug  3 07:42:28 2003
From: vscribe at ansteorra.org (Ansteorra Virtual Scribe)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:42:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>
Message-ID: <03c301c359ce$6b994e10$31baee0c@c59303a>

Well, to throw a wrench into the works here .... my mom is from South
America and she has been making this "candy" for many years. I always
thought they were pralines. Look like them, taste like them, I hate the nuts
so she makes them without the nuts just for me but insists that is how the
tradition calls for them to be made. Mom is not one to be argued with. 5
foot tall tornado who is always right .... :)

I will send you the recipe if you like.

Chiara
Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan O'Neal" <catmafia at swbell.net>
To: <Northkeep at ansteorra.org>; <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:41 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question


: I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them (and
: are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.  These are one of my
: favorite things and the ones Kit's friend brought from New Orleans just
: wern't that good, so I was going to make some.  This started me thinking
: about the fact that this is one of those things I learned from my mom and
: was never done with a recipe, you just did it and with whatever of the
: basic ingredience you had available-meaning I've made them possibly
: hundreds of different ways.  So I went to search for a recipe and found 10
: or so and was struck by how most were things I had done, but all were
: different.
:
: I would love to hear how you all do it and what qualities the end result
: had, my favorite are the thick, creamy ones-but tend to enjoy any of the
: results.  I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole,
: which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  I also found the name
: of the person they were supposidly named after,
: http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html
:
: Looking forward to hearing how everyone makes them,
:
: Susan the Curious
: catmafia at swbell.net
:
:
: _______________________________________________
: Ansteorra mailing list
: Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
: http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From mtucker at airmail.net  Sun Aug  3 09:06:41 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:06:41 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
In-Reply-To: <03c301c359ce$6b994e10$31baee0c@c59303a>
Message-ID: <781F71F1-C5CC-11D7-84B9-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Sunday, August 3, 2003, at 09:42  AM, Ansteorra Virtual Scribe wrote:

> Well, to throw a wrench into the works here .... my mom is from South
> America and she has been making this "candy" for many years. I always
> thought they were pralines. ...
>
> Chiara
> Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
>

According to the article which Stefan referred to in his Florilegium 
(which I read last night), there was a traditional Spanish/Catalan 
candy from our period. My completely unfounded guess is that this (or 
something like it; there were lots of variations on the theme, 
according to the article) might have been a source of inspiration for 
whoever developed the Praline. And it might be the ancestor of the 
South American confection which was handed down to your mom. It seems 
logical, anyway.

Yours,
Michael Silverhands



From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Sun Aug  3 10:50:05 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:50:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030803125003.01619360@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 10:39 PM 8/2/03 -0500, you wrote:

(snip)

>> Bryn Gwlad: Their Magnificent Excellencies (hey, I live there; you think I
>> want the Baronial Guard knocking on my door at 3:00 A.M.? <G>)
>>
>> -Tivar Moondragon


>Considering two of the guard live in your house I doubt we'd need to knock
>at 3:00 a.m. ; )
>HL Duncan MacConacher na' Dunheath
>Captain, Baronial Guard
> &
>Tivars Cadet


And that's supposed to reassure me?

	-Tivar Moondragon


From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Sun Aug  3 10:57:45 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:57:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030803125745.016185a8@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 10:41 PM 8/2/03 -0500, you wrote:

>> <snipped>
>> 
>> Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies
>> 
>> -Tivar Moondragon


>> Do I really want to know the story behind this???
>> 
>>    Phelippe (the Wary)


>Tell us a story Uncle Tivar!
>Aerin


It's a pun on bear/bare. Bjornsborg has bears on their arms, the group was
once called "Bear's Fort" (until the name was translated to "Bjornsborg")
and the mundane location is in Bexar (pronounced "bay-are" or "bear")
County, which is the home of the Alamo--the most famous fort in Texas.

(And I probably shouldn't mention what was common dress at Barbarian
Invitational in Bjornsborg, back in the old days. <G>)

	-Tivar Moondragon



From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  3 12:09:03 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:09:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] sale at renstore
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c35987$78b37630$0300a8c0@pavilion>
Message-ID: <20030803190903.11820.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you, excellency.  I used to work for them when I lived in Ax.  Not good to work for in alot of ways, but they are really good to customers.

Twilight16 <twilit16 at swbell.net> wrote:Greetings one and all,

Thought some of you might like this sale some stuff is up to 50% off.. Renstore.com

Baroness Elayne


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From muriel at entelesoft.com  Sun Aug  3 12:30:48 2003
From: muriel at entelesoft.com (muriel at entelesoft.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:30:48 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030731184721.01638af0@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c359f5$be614090$b7026144@kim>

And of course we can't forget....

His Flaming Excellency of Wiesenfeuer.

--Muriel and Donnchadh Beag who can't believe no one mentioned that yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Chris Zakes
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:47 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility


At 06:09 PM 7/31/03 -0500, you wrote:

>"Their Oaken Excellencies" speaks of the stalwart strength of the Oak Tree
>and of Their Excellencies Steppes.
>
>Morgan the Taller


Let's see...

Steppes: Their Downtrodden Excellencies

Stargate: Their Spaced-Out Excellencies

Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies

Bordermarch: Their Borderline Excellencies

Elfsea: Their Fair, but Soggy Excellencies

Eldern Hills: Their Ancient Excellencies

Bonwicke: Their Bonwicked Excellencies

Namron: Their Twisted (or perhaps Blowhard) Excellencies

Ravensfort: Their Flighty Excellencies

Northkeep: Their Distant Excellencies

Bryn Gwlad: Their Magnificent Excellencies (hey, I live there; you think I
want the Baronial Guard knocking on my door at 3:00 A.M.? <G>)

	-Tivar Moondragon
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From uther at lcc.net  Sun Aug  3 12:39:09 2003
From: uther at lcc.net (mike young)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:39:09 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] calendar
Message-ID: <009a01c359f6$e9ac35b0$0100a8c0@theparents>


Last changed: 7/31/03

*PED = Perpetual Event Date

 

August 2003
1?3          Steppes Artisan Competition ? Steppes (Dallas, TX) 

               Midsummer Faire  ? Gates Edge (Houston, TX)

8?10        Lughnasad ? Loch Ruadh (Benbrook/White Settlement, TX)

               Westgate Winter Collegium ? Westgate (Houston, TX)

                (during Pennsic)

15?17      (during Pennsic)

22?24      Artisan of the Flame ? Glaslyn (Denton, TX) 

29?31      Wiesenfeuer Baronial ? Wiesenfeuer  (Oklahoma City, OK) *PED

                Gothic Wars ? Cross Roads Keep (Big Springs, TX)*

1              Monday ? September 1st
 

September 2003
1              Monday ? September 1st
5?7          Battle of the Pines ? Greywood (Lufkin/Nacogdoches TX) 

12?14      A Day at the Coliseum ? Stargate (Houston, Tx)

                 Mooneschadowe Guardian XXIII - Mooneschadowe (Stillwater, OK)

19?21       Defender of the Fort ? RavensFort (Huntsville, TX) *PED

                German Fest ? Brad Leah (Wichita Falls, TX)

26?28      Elfsea Defender ? Elfsea (Ft. Worth, TX) *PED

               Golden Arrow String of Pearls ? Stonebridge Keep (Victoria, Tx)

 

October 2003
3?5          Battle of Three Kings ? Rosenfeld (Tyler, TX) 

10?12      Namron Protectorate ? Namron (Norman , OK) *PED

               Cour d? Amour ? Gates Edge (Houston, Tx)

                Sunday ? Columbus Day
17?19      Heroes ? Bjornsborg (San Antonio, TX) *PED

24?26      Samhain Celebration ? Eldern Hills (Lawton/Ft. Sills, OK) *PED

                Samhain Stew ? Tempio (Temple, TX)

               Seawinds Defender String of Pearls ? Shire of Seawinds (Corpus Christi, Tx)

               Fall Arts Symposium ? Loch Ruadh- ( Ft. Worth, Tx)

 

November 2003
31?2        Crown Tourney ? Dragonsfire Tor  ? (Stephenville, Tx)

                Friday ? Halloween

              January Queen's Champion Bids Due
7?9          Bryn Gwlad Fall Event  ?  Bryn Gwlad (Austin, TX) 

               WinterKingdom ? Northkeep (Tulsa , OK)

14?16      Harvest Dance ? Mendersham (Abilene, TX) 

                Warchieftain/Cavalier of the Bridge ? Middleford (Killeen/Ft Hood/Copperas Cove, TX) 

                Autumn Melees ? Bordermarch (Beaumont, TX) *PED

21?23      Hunter?s Moon ? Emerald Keep (Waco, Tx)

27                Thursday ? Thanksgiving
28?30

 

December 2003
5?7                Dragonsfire Tor Yule Revel ? Dragonsfire Tor (Stephenville, TX) 

               Wiesenfeuer Yule Revel ? (Oklahoma City, OK)

                Ffynnon Gath Yule Revel-(San Marcos, Tx)

12?14      Stargate Yule Revel ? Stargate (Houston, TX) 

               Bonwicke Twelfth Night ? Bonwicke (Lubbock, Tx)

19?21     Tourney of the Golden Hart ? La Marche Sauvage (McAllen, TX)

25                Thursday ? Christmas Day
26?28      

 

January 2004
1                Thursday ? New Year?s Day         
2?4          Steppes 12th Night Court and Feast ? Steppes (Dallas, TX) 

9?11                Coronation ? TBA

16?18      King?s Round Table ? TBA

               May Crown Tourney Bids Due - Southern Region

19           Monday ? Martin Luther King Jr. Day
23?24      Queens Champion ? TBA

30?1                Kingdom A&S ? TBA

 

February 2004
6?8                Candlemas Feast ? Bryn Gwlad (Austin , TX) *PED 

13?15      Border Wars ? Lindenwood (Irving, TX) 

                Un Jour Dans La Vie Bis ? Ravens Fort (Huntsville, TX) 

               Coastal Invasion ? Seawinds (Corpus Christi, TX)

20?22      Tourney of the Black Stag XIII ? La Marche Sauvage (McAllen, TX) 

                War College ? Wiesenfeuer (Oklahoma City, OK)

27?29                Bjornsborg Spring Court ? Bjornsborg (San Antonio, TX)

              

 

 

 



From marccarlson20 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  3 14:29:47 2003
From: marccarlson20 at hotmail.com (Marc Carlson)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:29:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>

>Northkeep: Their Distant Excellencies

"Distant"?

Actually they are extremely approachable...

Marc/Diarmaid

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From kitty at swbell.net  Sun Aug  3 15:17:29 2003
From: kitty at swbell.net (Kitty O'Neal)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine>

> Actually they are extremely approachable...
> 
> Marc/Diarmaid

Unless you live in, say, La Marche Sauvage...

Ekaterina


From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  3 16:32:43 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 18:32:43 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <BAY1-F12BvRnfvcySa40001b444@hotmail.com>

Well they would be there just in case some of the other Baronial Guard came 
to call.

plachoya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra



>
> >Considering two of the guard live in your house I doubt we'd need to 
>knock
> >at 3:00 a.m. ; )
> >HL Duncan MacConacher na' Dunheath
> >Captain, Baronial Guard
> > &
> >Tivars Cadet
>
>
>And that's supposed to reassure me?
>
>	-Tivar Moondragon

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From ggavit at interconnect.net  Sun Aug  3 18:53:52 2003
From: ggavit at interconnect.net (Gail Gavit)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 20:53:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
Message-ID: <002701c35a2b$42054100$9b25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gail Gavit" <ggavit at interconnect.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys


> This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
> Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed a
> dark hour.
> Lady Katherine Brandon
> Seneschal (Acting)
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" <mystikal_dragon_master at juno.com>
> To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
> Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>
>
> > My friends,
> >
> > I have some dreadfull news to give you. My brother David was involved in
> > a serious motorcycle accident in Florida today around 10:45am EDT. The
> > other person did not see David on his bike and supposedly ran him over.
> > >From what I have gotten from my mother and the trauma news at Orlando
> > Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
threatening
> > head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10 this
> > evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
> > should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
> >
> >
> > Russ aka Drake(SCA)
> >
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From steldr at cox.net  Mon Aug  4 06:37:32 2003
From: steldr at cox.net (Mercedes/Stephanie)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:37:32 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>
	<001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine>
Message-ID: <00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>

Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I prefer
Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.

Mercedes
Baroness of Northkeep

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kitty O'Neal" <kitty at swbell.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] re: Epithets for Landed Nobility


> Actually they are extremely approachable...
>
> Marc/Diarmaid

Unless you live in, say, La Marche Sauvage...

Ekaterina
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From russ at randomgang.com  Mon Aug  4 06:51:26 2003
From: russ at randomgang.com (Chandranath)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 08:51:26 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>
	<001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine>
	<00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>
Message-ID: <183439125.1059987086@[192.168.39.2]>



--On Monday, August 04, 2003 8:37 AM -0500 "Mercedes/Stephanie" 
<steldr at cox.net> wrote:

> Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
> they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I
> prefer Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.

I think of you as Their Well-Fortified Excellencies, you know.

Chandra

-- 
Lord Chandranath <russ{at}randomgang.com>
"Per pale sable and gules, a decrescent argent."
mka Russ Smith (http://www.randomgang.com/~russ/)


From steldr at cox.net  Mon Aug  4 07:17:45 2003
From: steldr at cox.net (Mercedes/Stephanie)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:17:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com><001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine><00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>
	<183439125.1059987086@[192.168.39.2]>
Message-ID: <015901c35a93$2cfe46e0$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>

Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I like that!!!!

Mercedes

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chandranath" <russ at randomgang.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] re: Epithets for Landed Nobility




--On Monday, August 04, 2003 8:37 AM -0500 "Mercedes/Stephanie" 
<steldr at cox.net> wrote:

> Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
> they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I
> prefer Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.

I think of you as Their Well-Fortified Excellencies, you know.

Chandra

-- 
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"Per pale sable and gules, a decrescent argent."
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From gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu  Mon Aug  4 07:47:33 2003
From: gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Gail Taylor)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:47:33 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
References: <002701c35a2b$42054100$9b25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>
Message-ID: <3F2E7205.4020300@lonestar.utsa.edu>

Is Lawrence the Rampant, David?  Was he injured?  Or another brother?

Isobel

Gail Gavit wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Gail Gavit" <ggavit at interconnect.net>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
>Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>
>
>  
>
>>This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
>>Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed a
>>dark hour.
>>Lady Katherine Brandon
>>Seneschal (Acting)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" <mystikal_dragon_master at juno.com>
>>To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
>>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>My friends,
>>>
>>>I have some dreadfull news to give you. My brother David was involved in
>>>a serious motorcycle accident in Florida today around 10:45am EDT. The
>>>other person did not see David on his bike and supposedly ran him over.
>>>>From what I have gotten from my mother and the trauma news at Orlando
>>>Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
>>>      
>>>
>threatening
>  
>
>>>head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10 this
>>>evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
>>>should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
>>>
>>>
>>>Russ aka Drake(SCA)
>>>
>>>________________________________________________________________
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>>>      
>>>
>Canada.
>  
>
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>>    
>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>      
>>>
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>>>
>>>      
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From morgancain at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  4 08:33:18 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:33:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] WordFame to Teens
Message-ID: <00a201c35a9d$c12b1fa0$ae051e43@homeseries>

I want to commend a lot of our children and teens who helped out, even in small ways, at Steppes Artisan this weekend.  Lady Donnel already told how her children helped, all Friday evening and for setup and tear-down on Saturday, and I second her on all the effort they gave.  Richard and Emily were not the only ones helping; she's just better at remembering her children's names than I am at remembering those of all whom I spotted helping.  There were no organized children's activities, but they made their own fun, in the hall and in the playlot and around the legal areas of site.  I saw many children and teens helping in various ways - waterbearing (Lady Gerita told me the only responder to her request for assistance was a young boy); managing a list table; fetching and carrying; older looking after smaller (through MANY swings in the playyard); helping to roll hoses and otherwise assist in breakdown on the field; folding banners (with just a little instruction); and when I appeared on the deck with a trashbag in hand in the evening I was almost instantly confronted with a line of teens with empty bottles and other trash, so that the desk was cleared in about a minute.

I didn't get all the names, for which I am very sorry.  Who thinks to carry a notepad to pick up trash?  There were "the usual suspects" and some new faces as well.  Several of them asked me questions about why things were so for the event, always politely, and their conversations were always within acceptable boundaries of politeness and volume.  For all that we read in the papers about how teens cause trouble, about children running wild, I didn't see it at Steppes Artisan.  (OK, there was the early lineup at the supper buffet, but that hardly counts.)  Remember, these are our future, and I think we can be proud.

VIVANT!

                            ---= Morgan the Short Twin

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea,
 never regains its original dimensions."
                                 ---= Oliver Wendell Holmes
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)



From prand at swbell.net  Mon Aug  4 08:37:41 2003
From: prand at swbell.net (Patty)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:37:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
In-Reply-To: <3F2E7205.4020300@lonestar.utsa.edu>
Message-ID: <20030804153741.7535.qmail@web80203.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes it is Lawrence who is injured.  We do not have many details except what his brother sent.  He is supposedly stable but that is all we know.  Kim arrived last night, hopefully we will get more news soon. Please keep Lawrence and his family in your prayers.
 
Catriona

Gail Taylor <gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> wrote:
Is Lawrence the Rampant, David? Was he injured? Or another brother?

Isobel

Gail Gavit wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Gail Gavit" 
>To: 
>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
>Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>
>
> 
>
>>This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
>>Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed a
>>dark hour.
>>Lady Katherine Brandon
>>Seneschal (Acting)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" 
>>To: 
>>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
>>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>>My friends,
>>>
>>>I have some dreadfull news to give you. My brother David was involved in
>>>a serious motorcycle accident in Florida today around 10:45am EDT. The
>>>other person did not see David on his bike and supposedly ran him over.
>>>>From what I have gotten from my mother and the trauma news at Orlando
>>>Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
>>> 
>>>
>threatening
> 
>
>>>head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10 this
>>>evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
>>>should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
>>>
>>>
>>>Russ aka Drake(SCA)
>>>
>>>________________________________________________________________
>>>The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
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>>>Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
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>>> 
>>>
>Canada.
> 
>
>>Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark & more.
>> 
>>
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From Medicfem at aol.com  Mon Aug  4 08:43:42 2003
From: Medicfem at aol.com (Medicfem at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:43:42 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
Message-ID: <aa.2099d14e.2c5fd92e@aol.com>

It is David. Centurion lawrence. seawinds seneshal. shire guard captain, 
order of the falcon, squire times two.

all is still in limbo right now. kim and his mom are there. send lots of 
prayers their way.

a very sad seawinder and friend,

caley


From sharon at polkawitch.com  Mon Aug  4 09:14:43 2003
From: sharon at polkawitch.com (sharon)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:14:43 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
References: <aa.2099d14e.2c5fd92e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101c35aa3$867046a0$f9bc6620@SharonLaptop>

i just got this news. I am very sad to hear this.
I pray very hard for his recovery.  If anyone can get Kim word, pls let her
know that my thoughts are with them.

Vivaine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Medicfem at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys


> It is David. Centurion lawrence. seawinds seneshal. shire guard captain,
> order of the falcon, squire times two.
>
> all is still in limbo right now. kim and his mom are there. send lots of
> prayers their way.
>
> a very sad seawinder and friend,
>
> caley
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From born2bonstage at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  4 10:07:35 2003
From: born2bonstage at yahoo.com (Little Dancer)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:07:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] My prayers are with you...
Message-ID: <20030804170735.22398.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com>

My prayers are with you...
 
The Gypsy Brenna O'dempsy


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From hillaryrg at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  4 10:42:27 2003
From: hillaryrg at yahoo.com (Hillary Greenslade)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:42:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline Question
Message-ID: <20030804174228.41910.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>

<<I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole, 
which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  >>

I grew up in south Texas; and they are found in every Mexican food
restaurant everywhere.  I would never have considered them a French
confectionary, but rather from Spain or Castille, as the Florilegium
suggests. As Spain and France are border neighbors, possible culture
exchange in foods occurred.   

Since the recipe's simple, it's not inconcievable that it was found in
several cultures (Spain, France, native Indians of the Americas), and time
has 'standardized' the name and current form.   I prefer pralines
hard/crunchy, not soft/chewy. 

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From marccarlson20 at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  4 10:54:02 2003
From: marccarlson20 at hotmail.com (Marc Carlson)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 12:54:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re: Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <Law9-F59q9LwLLbeI8K0002a956@hotmail.com>

--On Monday, Chandra wrote:
>>Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
>>they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I
>>prefer Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.
>I think of you as Their Well-Fortified Excellencies, you know.

15 essential minerals and vitamins added in...

(And Kitty, my point wsa that traveling distance is releative -- they are 
just as distant from the folks down in la Marche Sauvage as the folks down 
in La Marche Sauvage are from us.  And to consider them "their Distant 
Excellencies" perpetuates the belief that it's just too far to travel to 
come and visit us up here, when there are members of our populace (and of 
Mooneschadowes, and the rest) who are willing to suck it up to travel to the 
distant lands to the south.  Not me mind you, but other people - like Their 
Excellencies.

Which might make them "Their willing-to-travel-regularly Excellencies" 
although I can see that this might be a little long for this particular 
project.

Marc/Diarmaid

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From swieland at direcway.com  Mon Aug  4 11:21:24 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:21:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline Question
In-Reply-To: <20030804174228.41910.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030804132022.00a1b540@pop3.direcway.com>

At 10:42 AM 8/4/03 -0700, you wrote:


>Since the recipe's simple, it's not inconcievable that it was found in
>several cultures (Spain, France, native Indians of the Americas), and time
>has 'standardized' the name and current form.   I prefer pralines
>hard/crunchy, not soft/chewy.
>
>Hillary

I just like 'em all. :-)

Damaris





From holland.cooley at us.army.mil  Mon Aug  4 11:11:36 2003
From: holland.cooley at us.army.mil (holland.cooley at us.army.mil)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:11:36 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Bardic Winner
Message-ID: <625e9ad62626be.62626be625e9ad@us.army.mil>

Greetings, I am trying to contact the winner of the Bardic event held at the Shire of Tempio's spring event. Any help would be greatly appreciated


Lord Alasdair Mac Roibeirt



From ggavit at interconnect.net  Mon Aug  4 12:12:03 2003
From: ggavit at interconnect.net (Gail Gavit)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:12:03 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
References: <002701c35a2b$42054100$9b25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>
	<3F2E7205.4020300@lonestar.utsa.edu>
Message-ID: <000d01c35abc$4ab87560$9c25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>

Yes, Lawrence the Rampant is David Ruiz. Yes, he was seriously injured. His
brother is th one who posted this message to the Seawinds list.
Katherine Brandon
Seneschal, Shire of Seawinds


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gail Taylor" <gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys


> Is Lawrence the Rampant, David?  Was he injured?  Or another brother?
>
> Isobel
>
> Gail Gavit wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Gail Gavit" <ggavit at interconnect.net>
> >To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
> >Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
> >>Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed
a
> >>dark hour.
> >>Lady Katherine Brandon
> >>Seneschal (Acting)
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" <mystikal_dragon_master at juno.com>
> >>To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
> >>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
> >>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>My friends,
> >>>
> >>>I have some dreadfull news to give you. My brother David was involved
in
> >>>a serious motorcycle accident in Florida today around 10:45am EDT. The
> >>>other person did not see David on his bike and supposedly ran him over.
> >>>>From what I have gotten from my mother and the trauma news at Orlando
> >>>Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
> >>>
> >>>
> >threatening
> >
> >
> >>>head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10
this
> >>>evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
> >>>should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Russ aka Drake(SCA)
> >>>
> >>>________________________________________________________________
> >>>The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> >>>Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
> >>>Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
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Sponsor ---------------------~-->
> >>>Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge & refill kit orders to US &
> >>>
> >>>
> >Canada.
> >
> >
> >>Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark & more.
> >>
> >>
> >>>http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510
> >>>http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/PJ_qlB/TM
>
>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------~->
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From morgancain at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  4 13:05:33 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:05:33 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Remaining Items - Lost & Found - Steppes
	Artisan/Champion/Archery
Message-ID: <012f01c35ac3$cf277ce0$ae051e43@homeseries>

Many of the items left behind have already been claimed.  The following still need owners:

1)    Arrow, blue and red fletching.

5)    Gorget.

7)    Red and gold rapier hood.

9)    Blue bag with gold straps and harp with Ansteorran star painted on the
front - please ID contents to collect.


The first three were gleaned off the field when it was cleared in the afternoon, the fourth was found in the hall during clean-up.  If you believe some item is yours, please contact me at morgancain at earthlink.net.  We have people going to Lughnasad next weekend and can deliver the items there, as well as going to Pennsic.  Not sure if anybody is going to Westgate (not)Winter Collegium, but can check.  If these don't work, we'll figure out something.

                                    ---= Morgan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea,
 never regains its original dimensions."
                                 ---= Oliver Wendell Holmes
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)



From bronwen at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug  4 19:30:27 2003
From: bronwen at austin.rr.com (Bronwen Fraseir)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:30:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant
Message-ID: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>

It is with great sadness that I impart the following news.  HL Centurion Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, squire to Sir Kief av Kiersted and Equis Romanius Scipio Vesperanius; MKA Lawrence David Ruiz left his body this morning at 3:45 am in Cocoa, Florida in the company of his wife and mother.

At this time his body is being sustained on life support and recipients have been found for his heart and liver.  The rest of his organs are being tested and recipients are being sought.

The result of his death was a severe head trauma due to a motorcycle accident early Sunday morning.  Kim asks that everyone respect her privacy and not call or e-mail until further notified while she grieves the passing of her husband and attends to business.  

There will be memorial services to be announced at a later date and she asks that no flowers be sent as a charity will be named in lieu of flowers and gifts.

Please keep Lawrence's family in your thoughts and prayers while they cope with this difficult time.

Bronwen Fraseir
DeAnn Ewing



From plsampson at hotpop.com  Mon Aug  4 22:09:12 2003
From: plsampson at hotpop.com (Penny Sampson)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:09:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant
In-Reply-To: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>
References: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>
Message-ID: <20030805000429.3A47.PLSAMPSON@hotpop.com>

I dont remember if we got the pleasure of meeting Lawrence the Rampant,
but our sympathys are with our friends from Seawinds and the family of
Laurence. 
God bless you all, and your all in our prayers as you go through this
tough time. 

Penny and Dale Sampson (Stone Bridge Keep)




From cyranobcc at netzero.net  Tue Aug  5 01:44:20 2003
From: cyranobcc at netzero.net (cyranobcc)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 03:44:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Academy of the Rapier
Message-ID: <01e301c35b2d$c5977800$c2884a43@pcname>

Greetings All!

The website for this year's Academy of the Rapier is now available at:

http://gatesedge.ansteorra.org/files/aor.htm

Look forward to seeing all there.

Ld Brian





From morgancain at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  5 06:15:29 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:15:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] One more Found item - Artisan
Message-ID: <010001c35b53$aaf37140$d4a31e43@homeseries>

While I was sorting out the box of Lost & Found items to take to Steppes Business Meeting tonight, I found one item that I overlooked before - a small pendant of a Celtic cross, a little over an inch long.  It is flat on the reverse, so was cast.

Let me know if this is yours, and it will be returned.

                                            ---= Morgan


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea,
 never regains its original dimensions."
                                 ---= Oliver Wendell Holmes
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)



From dragonetti at generich.com  Tue Aug  5 09:45:47 2003
From: dragonetti at generich.com (Armand Dragonetti)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:45:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant
References: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>
Message-ID: <00b501c35b71$05a901a0$34bafea9@Prowler>

Many of us know names. Many of us know faces. Some of us know the names and
faces. I've known a man by name, face and deed; with the heart of a lion;
near knighthood; and truly a knight in my mind already.
My squire brother and friend,
HL Centurion Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle.
http://www.generich.com/elfsea/steppeswarlord02/sw02-31.jpg

It pains me to say goodbye. You will be sorely missed, but never forgotten.

Armand Dragonetti

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bronwen Fraseir" <bronwen at austin.rr.com>
To: <Ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Cc: <Ansteorra-Squires at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:30 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant


It is with great sadness that I impart the following news.  HL Centurion
Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, squire to Sir Kief av Kiersted and Equis
Romanius Scipio Vesperanius; MKA Lawrence David Ruiz left his body this
morning at 3:45 am in Cocoa, Florida in the company of his wife and mother.

At this time his body is being sustained on life support and recipients have
been found for his heart and liver.  The rest of his organs are being tested
and recipients are being sought.

The result of his death was a severe head trauma due to a motorcycle
accident early Sunday morning.  Kim asks that everyone respect her privacy
and not call or e-mail until further notified while she grieves the passing
of her husband and attends to business.

There will be memorial services to be announced at a later date and she asks
that no flowers be sent as a charity will be named in lieu of flowers and
gifts.

Please keep Lawrence's family in your thoughts and prayers while they cope
with this difficult time.

Bronwen Fraseir
DeAnn Ewing

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From gam at door.net  Tue Aug  5 15:15:40 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:15:40 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Pity Party
Message-ID: <000e01c35b9f$1c9a2e60$6701a8c0@anns>

Greetings Good People,

Bonwicke's Pennsic Pity Paty is just days away are you ready?

I have a sorta schedule for anyone interested.  NOTHING is set in stone and very subject to change.  

Friday if you want to show up  beware we may not be at the house until 5ish.  Just call 806-787-8007 that would be my cell I will be in town taking care of mundane stuff.

Saturday 
Get up around 7ish my kids will make sure of that whether we want them to or not. 

After that we will do stuff.  Breakfast, food is always high on the list of things to do.  If you want to bring stuff to cook we will.  
Then if the Rapiers wish to get started before it gets to hot lets do.  Prize will be a fighters cloak made with your colors.  
After that we will relax the day away with stories and songs, arts and sciences.  Her Excellency will field questions on scrolls and other subjects.  And if you have a arts question or project please bring it and we will do the best to answer questions or provide projects for persons to do.  Idle hand leds to mischief I have been told.  Don't forget there is a bardic of No ******* there I was for the day story.

Then when it starts to cool off again, we will start the heavy tourney.  The prize will be a pair of steel half gauntlets.

Food will be served sometime.  Yes it will.  I have a brisket and a turkey that will be served, do not forget to bring a pot luck for the feast.  

If you have anything you wish to see done or do at the PPP please let me know.

May you have a safe journey in your travels be it Pennsic or the Barony of Bonwicke's Pennsic Pity Party

Anastasiya

Directions
>From points East and South. Make your way to I-27 head north past the airport. Take exit 11 (FM 1294) heading west. approximately 10 miles you will come to a gently curve. There will be a crossroad there turn right. You are now on FM 2528. The site is the 7th house. Sign will be posted. 

Points North coming down I-27 please take exit 11 and follow previous instruction.

Points West if coming from Brownfield take loop to North Frankford (FM 2528) go past the Walmart and then on to Clovis Hwy (84). Go across railroad tracks, you will come to a stop sign approximately 6 miles continue there that until you come to the 7th house. Signs will be posted.

If coming from Clovis, take the first stop light left across railroad tracks and follow previous instructions.

If you get lost call 806-741-1828 or 806-787-8007



PS did I finally make it to the western regional list. Please say yes.

Anastasiya


From bronwen at austin.rr.com  Tue Aug  5 22:25:10 2003
From: bronwen at austin.rr.com (Bronwen Fraseir)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:25:10 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lawrence's Last Gift
Message-ID: <003301c35bdb$1b9d87a0$6501a8c0@Emerald>

Lawrence's wife Kim (Muirin) wanted all to know that she is happy to announce that for her birthday, 8/5/03, her last gift from her husband was the donation of his organs to several recipients.

Lawrence was an organ donor and recipients were found for all of his major organs.  There are several people who will live longer, healthier lives thanks to this gift.

Bronwen Fraseir
DeAnn Ewing

From Reihla at aol.com  Wed Aug  6 09:46:43 2003
From: Reihla at aol.com (Reihla at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:46:43 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lawrence's Last Gift
Message-ID: <1a4.18319df4.2c628af3@aol.com>

> Lawrence was an organ donor and recipients were found for all of 
> his major organs.  There are several people who will live longer, 
> healthier lives thanks to this gift.

Though he was my brother Centurion I didn't know Lawrence well because we 
lived so far apart.  However, many are the tales I heard of his fighting prowess 
and battlefield heroism.  Thank you for telling us of his last gift.  It is a 
story truly worthy of an Ansteorran hero.  In my mind Lawrence will join the 
list of people I remember whenever I hear the phrase "because that's what 
heroes do."  

- Cts. Kat, CSS


From hillaryrg at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  6 12:19:59 2003
From: hillaryrg at yahoo.com (Hillary Greenslade)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:19:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
Message-ID: <20030806191959.80678.qmail@web12809.mail.yahoo.com>

Pulled from another list, for those with cable.  
Enjoy, Hillary 


Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
It must have been one of his last projects, it's
dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.

Looks like some members of Britannia and other
English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
hillfort recreations and shots.

Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
recreations, with actors and reenactors.
I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.

It has some interesting side bits - like
the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.

A video and CD of the program is available from
the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
http://tlc.discovery.com/


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From cellach at breezykilt.com  Wed Aug  6 13:12:02 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:12:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
References: <20030806191959.80678.qmail@web12809.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <02a801c35c56$ffda1110$1208a8c0@bobby>

I watched this last night.  It wasn't riveting entertainment, although, it
was certainly worth watching.  I recommend it.

Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hillary Greenslade" <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:19 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite


> Pulled from another list, for those with cable.
> Enjoy, Hillary
>
>
> Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
> Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
> King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
> The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
> It must have been one of his last projects, it's
> dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.
>
> Looks like some members of Britannia and other
> English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
> but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
> of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
> hillfort recreations and shots.
>
> Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
> recreations, with actors and reenactors.
> I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
> The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
> is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
> Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.
>
> It has some interesting side bits - like
> the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
> cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
> in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
> stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
> fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
> the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
> the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
> removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
> Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
> but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.
>
> A video and CD of the program is available from
> the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
> when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
> http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
> Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
> http://tlc.discovery.com/
>
>
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From baroness_maleah at cox.net  Wed Aug  6 20:38:05 2003
From: baroness_maleah at cox.net (Maleah)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:38:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
Message-ID: <005501c35c95$50221800$6400a8c0@banshee>

I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir Gunthar. If someone has that
info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,
Maleah
Baroness of Namron



From sarapenrose at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  7 07:06:05 2003
From: sarapenrose at yahoo.com (Kimberly Koch)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
In-Reply-To: <005501c35c95$50221800$6400a8c0@banshee>
Message-ID: <20030807140605.12347.qmail@web12707.mail.yahoo.com>

Answered privately.

--- Maleah <baroness_maleah at cox.net> wrote:
> I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir
> Gunthar. If someone has that
> info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly
> appreciate it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Maleah
> Baroness of Namron
> 
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From macpob1 at airmail.net  Thu Aug  7 08:05:22 2003
From: macpob1 at airmail.net (Martha A. Compton)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Oops! Another Steppes Artisan Thanks
Message-ID: <20030807100522.B8947@stardock.pug.net>

Due to post-event craziness I neglected to thank our gracious Central
Regional Scribe, H.L. Ceinwen ferch Rhuel , for hand delivering blank
scrolls to us for the charter painting table.  I apologize for the
oversight and send her the grateful thanks of the entire Steppes scribal
community.

H.L. Muireann
Principal, Steppes Calligraphers & Illuminators Guild
--
Alis volat propriis - She flies with her own wings.


From Charley at lcc.net  Thu Aug  7 08:05:42 2003
From: Charley at lcc.net (Charley Atchley)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:42 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
Message-ID: <20030807100542.C8947@stardock.pug.net>

Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning. 

http://www.msnusers.com/AdamickFamily

Athaulf


From lg_photo at texas.net  Thu Aug  7 15:24:29 2003
From: lg_photo at texas.net (Alice Morrow Harris)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:24:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
References: <20030807100542.C8947@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <3F32D19E.948AB82B@texas.net>



Charley Atchley wrote:

> Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning.
>

Greetings From Alina:

Congratulations on your new baby son. Wishing your wife a speedy recuperation after the surgery to delivery of your precious one.

Wishing You And Your Wife Many Wonderful Times With Your Son,
Alina



From smithfamily at paxway.com  Thu Aug  7 18:02:33 2003
From: smithfamily at paxway.com (Tom & Kim Smith)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:02:33 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Feast still available
Message-ID: <009101c35d48$c11122a0$cf864a43@Eadgar>

Feast for the Westgate Winter Collegium event this weekend Saturday August 9 are still available, come one, come all !

Feast will be sold at the door on a first come first served basis, no more reservations taken as of today.

The menu is: 
french bread, butter, white bean soup flavored with thyme, bacon and green onion sprinkles
roast pork loin with pan reduction sauce, glazed carrots
"boerf" bourginion, green vegetables in season, rice
peach pie
lemonade


From gam at door.net  Thu Aug  7 15:31:31 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:31:31 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] PPP
Message-ID: <002601c35d33$a72d8780$6701a8c0@anns>

The day is set and arrangements have been made are you prepared to travel to War or do you just need some friends to share your pity of not being able to attend Pennsic.  Then do as you must.  Just remember Bonwicke has prepared to help you with your pity.

Just us this weekend if you have no where else to turn.  

Have a safe trip when you travel this weekend.  

With warm thoughts 

Anastasiya

From SiobhanON at aol.com  Fri Aug  8 07:18:27 2003
From: SiobhanON at aol.com (SiobhanON at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:18:27 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Chirurgeons/Elfsea Defender
Message-ID: <6.1689d69a.2c650b33@aol.com>

Greetings,
    I will be Chirurgeon in Charge at Elfsea's 25th Defender. I need 
volunteers to work shifts. We will be having all manner of competition, including 
Equestrian, so we can not have too many chirurgeons. Please contact me privately, 
or on the list, if you are interested in working a shift or apprenticing. Let 
me know the hours you will be available and I will work up a schedule. 
Many thanks.
Siobhan


From caladin at io.com  Fri Aug  8 12:22:10 2003
From: caladin at io.com (caladin)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:22:10 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lughnasad Chiv tourney question...
References: <200308071700.h77H05A04348@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <002001c35de2$5d487e90$ca02e00a@austin.mgam>


Anyone know the format of the Lughnasaad Chivalric tourney this weekend?

I'd like to know what to pack, stick wise.

Thanks!

Caladin-


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>       (Cellach Ferguson)
>    3. ISO Count Gunthar (Maleah)
>    4. Re: ISO Count Gunthar (Kimberly Koch)
>    5. Oops! Another Steppes Artisan Thanks (Martha A. Compton)
>    6. A new birth (Charley Atchley)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:19:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Hillary Greenslade <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs
> Nite
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <20030806191959.80678.qmail at web12809.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Pulled from another list, for those with cable.
> Enjoy, Hillary
>
>
> Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
> Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
> King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
> The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
> It must have been one of his last projects, it's
> dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.
>
> Looks like some members of Britannia and other
> English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
> but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
> of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
> hillfort recreations and shots.
>
> Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
> recreations, with actors and reenactors.
> I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
> The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
> is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
> Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.
>
> It has some interesting side bits - like
> the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
> cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
> in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
> stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
> fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
> the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
> the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
> removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
> Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
> but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.
>
> A video and CD of the program is available from
> the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
> when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
> http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
> Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
> http://tlc.discovery.com/
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:12:02 -0500
> From: "Cellach Ferguson" <cellach at breezykilt.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program
> Thurs Nite
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <02a801c35c56$ffda1110$1208a8c0 at bobby>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I watched this last night.  It wasn't riveting entertainment, although, it
> was certainly worth watching.  I recommend it.
>
> Cellach Ferguson
> Alba Gu Brath!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hillary Greenslade" <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:19 PM
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs
Nite
>
>
> > Pulled from another list, for those with cable.
> > Enjoy, Hillary
> >
> >
> > Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
> > Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
> > King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
> > The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
> > It must have been one of his last projects, it's
> > dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.
> >
> > Looks like some members of Britannia and other
> > English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
> > but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
> > of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
> > hillfort recreations and shots.
> >
> > Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
> > recreations, with actors and reenactors.
> > I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
> > The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
> > is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
> > Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.
> >
> > It has some interesting side bits - like
> > the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
> > cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
> > in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
> > stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
> > fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
> > the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
> > the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
> > removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
> > Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
> > but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.
> >
> > A video and CD of the program is available from
> > the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
> > when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
> > http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
> > Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
> > http://tlc.discovery.com/
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > http://search.yahoo.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ansteorra mailing list
> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:38:05 -0500
> From: "Maleah" <baroness_maleah at cox.net>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
> To: "Ansteorra" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <005501c35c95$50221800$6400a8c0 at banshee>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir Gunthar. If someone has
that
> info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
> Maleah
> Baroness of Namron
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kimberly Koch <sarapenrose at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <20030807140605.12347.qmail at web12707.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Answered privately.
>
> --- Maleah <baroness_maleah at cox.net> wrote:
> > I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir
> > Gunthar. If someone has that
> > info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly
> > appreciate it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Maleah
> > Baroness of Namron
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ansteorra mailing list
> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:22 -0500
> From: "Martha A. Compton" <macpob1 at airmail.net>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Oops! Another Steppes Artisan Thanks
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <20030807100522.B8947 at stardock.pug.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Due to post-event craziness I neglected to thank our gracious Central
> Regional Scribe, H.L. Ceinwen ferch Rhuel , for hand delivering blank
> scrolls to us for the charter painting table.  I apologize for the
> oversight and send her the grateful thanks of the entire Steppes scribal
> community.
>
> H.L. Muireann
> Principal, Steppes Calligraphers & Illuminators Guild
> --
> Alis volat propriis - She flies with her own wings.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:42 -0500
> From: Charley Atchley <Charley at lcc.net>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <20030807100542.C8947 at stardock.pug.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda
Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a
new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning.
>
> http://www.msnusers.com/AdamickFamily
>
> Athaulf
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>
>
> End of Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 9
> ***************************************



From Patrickandjulia at aol.com  Fri Aug  8 16:45:03 2003
From: Patrickandjulia at aol.com (Patrickandjulia at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:45:03 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Another Loss
Message-ID: <41.325cbba9.2c658fff@aol.com>

We would like to share the news of the passing of Baroness Pashley's husband 
this morning.  While he did not participate in our Society as his Ladywife, he 
supported her faithfully in her endeavors to make the SCA a place for Heroes.

Patrick & Julia


From fairbourne at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  9 06:02:22 2003
From: fairbourne at sbcglobal.net (Nolen Dale)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:02:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Another Loss
In-Reply-To: <41.325cbba9.2c658fff@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001001c35e76$79902eb0$8e5f8f42@nolandal>

Paishley you and yours are in my thoughts.
Richard Fairbourne


-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of
Patrickandjulia at aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 6:45 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Another Loss


We would like to share the news of the passing of Baroness Pashley's husband
this morning.  While he did not participate in our Society as his Ladywife,
he
supported her faithfully in her endeavors to make the SCA a place for
Heroes.

Patrick & Julia
_______________________________________________
Ansteorra mailing list
Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra




From MikaelaOfWestgate at ev1.net  Sat Aug  9 23:20:32 2003
From: MikaelaOfWestgate at ev1.net (Mikaela de Sevilla)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:20:32 +1000
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
References: <20030807100542.C8947@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <002001c35f07$8128cb50$0200000a@caspar>

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

I had a look at your pictures and I enjoyed them so much.  You not only have
a beautiful boy but a very lovely family as well.  I got all teary eyed,
especially since I am looking forward to the rest of my family too.
Hopefully the pictures of my babys birth will be as clear as your and I can
post them too.

So very grateful to be able to see a part of your family,
and counting down my last few weeks.

Mikaela de Sevilla
Living in the land down under.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charley Atchley" <Charley at lcc.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:05 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth


> Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda
Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a
new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning.
>
> http://www.msnusers.com/AdamickFamily
>
> Athaulf



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Sun Aug 10 15:46:18 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:46:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lughnasad
References: <009a01c359f6$e9ac35b0$0100a8c0@theparents>
Message-ID: <000701c35f91$3888ec60$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

For those of us who coudn't go what happen?  Who got awards, etc.??

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.


From gam at door.net  Sun Aug 10 13:35:09 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:35:09 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Pity Party
Message-ID: <003101c35f7e$e4be4a60$6701a8c0@anns>

Greetings,

I wanted to thank all that journeyed to Our lands and showed your support.  I hope you all had a wonderful time, and We hope to see you all once again to enjoy your company.  

Anastasiya

From catmafia at swbell.net  Mon Aug 11 06:47:28 2003
From: catmafia at swbell.net (Susan O'Neal)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:47:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Address change
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030811083156.0388cb58@postoffice.swbell.net>

I hope we will be up by Wednesday night, but the new address is to be 
catmafia at cablelynx.com.  My backup is catmafia03 at yahoo.com

Lady Susan the Curious
Northkeep






From muirin at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 11 14:14:07 2003
From: muirin at hotmail.com (Kimberly Keplar)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:14:07 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for Kief and Lorraine
Message-ID: <BAY9-F63Ay4MoSn03t30002e783@hotmail.com>


Would either Sir Kief or Lorraine contact me off list?  If you will email me 
a phone number I would gladly call either or both of you, the information i 
have is out of date.

Thank you,

Muirin

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From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Mon Aug 11 15:05:53 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:05:53 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: [NR] re: sales tax
Message-ID: <JJNMLPIPKNBJMGAA@mailcity.com>

That's a relief.  I could just hear all the interesting language involved.  ;-)

Nell
--

--------- Original Message ---------

DATE: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:48:44
From: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
To: "'nellwynn0 at lycos.com'" <nellwynn0 at lycos.com>, "'Northern Region of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.'" <northern at ansteorra.org>
Cc: 

>As a 501(c)(3) entity, the SCA is exempt from sales tax on sales of food to
>or by the organization as per 68 O.S. 2001, Section 1357.11.  
>
>Since I do a lot of feasts, I learned this one a number of years ago.  It is
>amended every year, usually by transfering it into the new section of law.
>
>Bear
>
>> My daughter-in-law had a horrid thought a couple of days ago. 
>>  Are we going to have to start charging tax on feast?  It 
>> says that tax is due on, and I quote,
>> 
>> 710:65-19-40. Caterers 
>> 
>> Nell
> 
>



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From robintheacquirer_2000 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 12 10:51:28 2003
From: robintheacquirer_2000 at hotmail.com (Chris Andrews)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:51:28 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] In search of 
Message-ID: <BAY1-F47KAC4jRWBGQ80000ade0@hotmail.com>

Could anyone who lives in the greater Midland / Odessa area please contact 
me,

In Service,
Lachlan of An Tir

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From padraig_ruad at irishbard.org  Wed Aug 13 11:11:16 2003
From: padraig_ruad at irishbard.org (Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:11:16 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: Lughnasad Lost and Found
Message-ID: <000101c361c9$03624b00$fd96fea9@computer>

My apologies if you receive this multiple times.  It was posted to
Ansteorra-Announce on Monday but so far has failed to come through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain" <padraig_ruad at irishbard.org>
To: <ansteorra-announce at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:05 PM
Subject: Lughnasad Lost and Found


> The following is a list of items found by the Lughnasad tear-down crew:
>
> 5 Chairs (collapsible, metal frames with cloth seats/backs)
> 1 10'x10' tarp
> 1 rattan mace
> 1 Zippo lighter
> 1 small folding multi-purpose tool
> 1 small brass bell
> 1 man's ring
> 1 child's ring
>
> If any of these items belong to you, please email me privately at
> padraig_ruad at irishbard.org, including a description of the item, and I
will
> make arrangements to have it returned it to you.
>
> In Service,
> Padr?ig Ruad ? Maolag?in
> Lughnasad Autocrat
> -------------------------------
> Nunc est bibendum
> ***********************
> ***********************
> Politicians prefer unarmed peasants.
>



From padraig_ruad at irishbard.org  Wed Aug 13 11:10:07 2003
From: padraig_ruad at irishbard.org (Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:10:07 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: Lughnasad Awards and Titled Bard
Message-ID: <000001c361c9$02ba7240$fd96fea9@computer>

My apologies if you receive this multiple times.  It was posted to
Ansteorra-Announce on Monday but so far has failed to come through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain" <padraig_ruad at irishbard.org>
To: <ansteorra-announce at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 8:14 PM
Subject: Lughnasad Awards and Titled Bard


> My thanks to everyone who attended Loch Ruadh's Lughnasad celebration this
> past weekend.  You helped to make our event a great success, and I hope
that
> you all enjoyed it at least as much as I did.  While the weather wasn't as
> cool as I would have liked, at least we had cloud cover and breezes
> throughout the day on Saturday, and the storms that pounded the Metroplex
> thankfully bypassed us.
>
> My individual thank you list will follow in a separate missive - it is
> extensive, and I want to try to list everyone.
>
> As Court Herald, it is my pleasure to announce that the following awards
> were given:
>
> Connal Mac an Ghabhann - Sable Thistle, Brewing
> Magdalea Mac an Ghabhann - Sable Thistle, Brewing
> Daniel the Younger - Rising Star of Ansteorra
> Brighid MacFergus - Award of Arms
> Rolf Sewardson - Sable Comet, Loch Ruadh
> Dohmnall Dubh O'Ruairc - Sable Comet, Loch Ruadh
> Tangwystl verch Maredudd - Portcullis of Elfsea
> Madelina de Lindesay - Portcullis of Elfsea
>
> And it is my honor to announce the new Titled Bard of Loch Ruadh:
> Grimvere Longtooth,
> holder of the Scarlet Cloak, the crooked staff and the silver harp pendant
> for the next year.
>
> It was a hotly contested competition, and every piece performed was
> praiseworthy.  Many thanks to all the competing bards, and also to Lord
and
> Lady Loch Ruadh, and my predecessor in the title, Elanor O'Rourke, for
> helping to judge and aiding in a most difficult decision.
>
> And if you thought this year's Lughnasad was good, just wait until next
> year.  You ain't seen nothin' yet!
>
> In Service,
> Padr?ig Ruad ? Maolag?in
> Lughnasad Autocrat AS XXXVIII



From padraig_ruad at irishbard.org  Wed Aug 13 12:35:27 2003
From: padraig_ruad at irishbard.org (Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:35:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Re:  Lughnasad
References: <20030813.142200.-1883917.1.lizdenpeters@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004401c361d2$0d2598a0$fd96fea9@computer>

The Misty Forest we have usedin the past, but the pump-and-fan system was
the brainchild of John Stegall (he hasn't chosen a persona name yet),
Grainne nic Seadna's lord husband.  We are contemplating what an appropriate
recognition might be - I like your idea of canonization.  :)

I am glad that you enjoyed our event, and thank you for your kind words.  I
hope eveyone who attended had at least as much fun as I did.

In Service,
Padr?ig Ruad ? Maolag?in
Lughnasad Autocrat AS XXXVIII
Lady Fionnuala wrote:

> M'lord,
>
> Whoever came up with the misting station needs to be canonized!  While it
> was not as hot as it has been in years past, that installation was a
> lifesaver as I do not do at all well in the heat.  Also, the fact that
> mist was directed over the list field was a good idea for those fighting
> in the heat even though we may hear grumbles about rusted armor.
>
> I try to attend this event every year.  It is low-key, fun and the food
> is good.  Watching the donnybrook was great fun and a good way for the
> kids to stay cool.
>
> Thanks to all  for a fun and lovely event.
>
> Lady Fionnuala the Fey (Nuala)



From charding at nwlink.com  Wed Aug 13 18:43:16 2003
From: charding at nwlink.com (Cathy Harding)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:43:16 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Some one seeking Master William Bjornson
Message-ID: <NEBBJBIBEKDBGCJJIOLJEEFLGEAA.charding@nwlink.com>

Greetings,
I have been told that someone from Ansteorra was seeking to contact Master
William Bjornson (of An Tir).  We have been fighting various computer viral
infections and the @home to attbi to comcast mess, so he has had changing
email address problems.  He can be reached at either dawson.bill at comcast.net
or at this address.

Maeve

www.billdawsonmetalsmith.com



From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Thu Aug 14 09:34:57 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:34:57 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] virus
Message-ID: <PMEOJEGPEILGNGAA@mailcity.com>

I learned when I was working as an online tech to check out all virus warnings that you get from individuals.  This is what McAfee has to say about the jdbgmgr.exe "virus"
.  
Virus Profile 
 
Virus Information 
Name: Jdbgmgr.exe hoax 
Risk Assessment   
  - Home Users: N/A 
  - Corporate Users: N/A 
Date Discovered: N/A 
Date Added: 4/8/2002 
Origin: Unknown 
Length: 0 
Type: Hoax 
SubType: - 
DAT Required: N/A 
 
  Quick Links 
Virus Characteristics 
Removal Instructions 
 
 
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Virus Characteristics  
 
AVERT HOAX Notice!!

McAfee AVERT Labs would like to inform you of a new email HOAX.

This email message is just a HOAX. Although, the JDBGMGR.EXE file may become infected by a number of valid viruses (most commonly W32/Magistr at MM), the details of this HOAX message are not based on actual events.

We are advising users who receive the email to delete the message and DO NOT pass it on as this is how an email HOAX propagates.

JDBGMGR.EXE is the Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java. This application is only useful for Java developers and does not need to be restored on other user's systems. In the event that this file has already been deleted and you need to restore it, see the Removal Instructions for instructions. 
It uses this icon: 

 

Below is the actual text from the message that may be received via email. There are numerous variations on these messages. 

(English version)

I found the little bear in my machine because of that I am sending this message in order for you to find it in your machine.  The procedure is very simple: 

The objective of this e-mail is to warn all Hotmail users about a new virus that is spreading by MSN Messenger.  The name of this virus is jdbgmgr.exe and it is sent automatically by the Messenger and by the address book too.  The virus is not detected by McAfee or Norton and it stays quiet for 14 days before damaging the system.  

The virus can be cleaned before it deletes the files from your system.  In order to eliminate it, it is just necessary to do the following steps: 
1. Go to Start, click "Search"
2.- In the "Files or Folders option" write the name jdbgmgr.exe 
3.- Be sure that you are searching in the drive "C" 
4.- Click "find now" 
5.- If the virus is there (it has a little bear-like icon with the name of jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT FOR ANY REASON
6.- Right click and delete it (it will go to the Recycle bin) 
7.- Go to the recycle bin and delete it or empty the recycle bin. 

IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS IN ALL OF YOUR SYSTEMS SEND THIS MESSAGE TO ALL OF YOUR CONTACTS LOCATED IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK BEFORE IT CAN CAUSE ANY DAMAGE.

  
And this is from Norton:

Jdbgmgr.exe file hoax  
Reported on: April 12, 2002  
Last Updated on: July 19, 2003 02:47:09 AM 

  
  

Symantec Security Response encourages you to ignore any messages regarding this hoax. It is harmless and is intended only to cause unwarranted concern.


Type: Hoax 




This hoax, like the SULFNBK.EXE Warning hoax, tries to encourage you to delete a legitimate Windows file from your computer. Jdbgmgr.exe is the file to which the hoax refers, and it is the Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java. The Jdbgmgr.exe file may be installed when you install Windows.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Notes: 
Some versions of this hoax take advantage of an actual threat, the W32.bugbear at mm worm. The Jdbgmgr.exe file mentioned in the hoax has a bear icon. The actual W32.bugbear at mm worm file is a .exe file and does not have a bear icon. 
Other versions of this hoax have slightly different ways in which they refer to the Jdbgmgr.exe file, usually in the subject of the email message. 
For example: 

Subject: "jdbg" Virus: how to detect and remove.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



NOTE: Recent 

The Windows Jdbgmgr.exe file has a teddy bear icon in the hoax, as illustrated below:





CAUTION: A virus can infect Jdbgmgr.exe. The W32.Efortune.31384 at mm virus in particular targets this file. Norton AntiVirus has provided protection against W32.Efortune.31384 at mm since May 11, 2001.

NOTE: If you have already deleted the Jdbgmgr.exe file, in most cases, you do not need to re-install it. The following quote is extracted from the Microsoft Knowledge Base article, "Virus Hoax: Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java (Jdbgmgr.exe) Is Not a Virus (Q322993)."

"The Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java (Jdbgmgr.exe) is only used by Microsoft Visual J++ 1.1 developers.

If you follow the e-mail message instructions and delete this file, you do not have to recover it unless you use Microsoft Visual J++ 1.1 to develop Java programs on Windows XP, Windows NT 4.0, Windows 98 Second Edition, Windows 98, or Windows 95."

If you need to restore this file, follow the instructions in "Virus Hoax: Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java (Jdbgmgr.exe) Is Not a Virus (Q322993)."


Hoax messages
This hoax has appeared in several languages. Some examples of the exact content, which is copied from the hoax message, are:

English, version 1

I found the little bear in my machine because of that I am sending this message in order for you to find it in your machine. The procedure is very simple:

The objective of this e-mail is to warn all Hotmail users about a new virus that is spreading by MSN Messenger. The name of this virus is jdbgmgr.exe and it is sent automatically by the Messenger and by the address book too. The virus is not detected by McAfee or Norton and it stays quiet for 14 days before damaging the system.

The virus can be cleaned before it deletes the files from your system. In order to eliminate it, it is just necessary to do the following steps:
1. Go to Start, click "Search"
2.- In the "Files or Folders option" write the name jdbgmgr.exe
3.- Be sure that you are searching in the drive "C"
4.- Click "find now"
5.- If the virus is there (it has a little bear-like icon with the name of jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT FOR ANY REASON
6.- Right click and delete it (it will go to the Recycle bin)
7.- Go to the recycle bin and delete it or empty the recycle bin.

IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS IN ALL OF YOUR SYSTEMS SEND THIS MESSAGE TO ALL OF YOUR CONTACTS LOCATED IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK BEFORE IT CAN CAUSE ANY DAMAGE.


I hope both companies will forgive me for the copy and paste but it is important and it let me do it.

Nell

 
 




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From culn97 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 16 07:33:01 2003
From: culn97 at yahoo.com (Rod Jackson)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 07:33:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Hospitaller of Emerald Keep
Message-ID: <20030816143301.94244.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com>


Pardon the bandwidth, I am in search of the Hospitaller of the Shire of Emerald Keep.

 

The Link thru the Shire web site seems to be broken.

 

Please contact me off list about a demo at a Waco school.

 

Thank you.

 

Your servant,

 

Lord Colin McCrandall,

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From muirin at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 16 08:27:55 2003
From: muirin at hotmail.com (Kimberly Keplar)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:27:55 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle
Message-ID: <BAY9-F41CzrHRpCyxpN000413b9@hotmail.com>


Greetings all,

Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, mka Lawrence David 
Ruiz, will be held on Sat., 23 August 2003 at Seaside Memorial Park and 
Funeral Home in Corpus Christi, Tx.  All are welcome to attend.  In lieu of 
flowers or gifts, donations in Lawrence's name are being given to Ronald 
McDonald House and Charlie's Place (a charitable drug rehabilitation center 
in Corpus Christi).  For more informaition, please call Seaside Memorial 
Park.

Seaside Memorial Park and Funeral Home
4357 Ocean Dr.
Corpus Christi Tx 78412
(361) 992-9411

Take your best route to Ocean Dr.  Turn on Robert.  At blinking light, right 
into cemetary.  The services are at the large chaple just inside the 
cemetary,

I thank you all for the warm thoughts and prayers during this time.

In continued Service,

Muirin
mka Kim Keplar-Ruiz

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From b-richard at houston.rr.com  Sat Aug 16 21:19:47 2003
From: b-richard at houston.rr.com (Beth Richard)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:19:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for Finnacan from Namron
Message-ID: <20030816231947.B23044@stardock.pug.net>

Would Finnacan from Namron please send me your new e-mail address?  I
sent mail to the one you had in May, but it bounced.

Thanks!
Tangwistel Telynores (Telynor)
  The Canton of Gate's Edge, Ansteorra (Houston, TX)
  b-richard at houston.rr.com


From becalhoun at excite.com  Sun Aug 17 18:36:47 2003
From: becalhoun at excite.com (becalhoun at excite.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:36:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] International Fest
Message-ID: <20030818013647.1D54F3DFA@xmxpita.excite.com>



Come and join the Barony of the Eldern Hills at its largest demo of the year.  We try to present as many aspects of the SCA as possible.  International Festival is held on the 27th and 28th of Sept.  We are located at the corner of 4th and B streets in Lawton, OK (right next to the library).

For the fighting demos;
Heralds will announce each fighter onto the field each day.  Ladies will present favors to their selected champions. ONLY AUTHORIZED FIGHTERS will be allowed onto the field.  Demo rules; not tourny (fall down when you are killed, etc..  Fighters bring a drawing of your arms on a heater shield, (1/4" thick) no larger than 10" by 12" to be posted on a list tree.

For the Arts and Sciences demos;
Both static and works in progress will be accepted.  You are encouraged to bring something to actually work on to impress the crowd.  Impress them with your skills and show the crowd how easy it is to actualy do the task.

Demonstrations of dance and fighting skills not normally a part of SCA events will be used as intermissions for the fighters.

If you need additional information please cal  or email 
Baron Michel mac Donnchaid 580-252-2520 mg1m at swbell.net
Ld Shawn Colquhoun 580-536-2425 BECalhoun at excite.com

Lord Shawn 
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From diegovalor22 at grandecom.net  Sun Aug 17 14:27:21 2003
From: diegovalor22 at grandecom.net (George Berry)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:27:21 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the
	Rampant of Ram's Isle
References: <BAY9-F41CzrHRpCyxpN000413b9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c36506$58849940$9a3c9b18@i7h0m3>

Dear Friends,

The time for the service is 10:00AM.  (I checked with the Seaside Funeral
Home.)

In Service,
George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kimberly Keplar" <muirin at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Cc: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's
Isle


>
> Greetings all,
>
> Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, mka Lawrence
David
> Ruiz, will be held on Sat., 23 August 2003 at Seaside Memorial Park and
> Funeral Home in Corpus Christi, Tx.  All are welcome to attend.  In lieu
of
> flowers or gifts, donations in Lawrence's name are being given to Ronald
> McDonald House and Charlie's Place (a charitable drug rehabilitation
center
> in Corpus Christi).  For more informaition, please call Seaside Memorial
> Park.
>
> Seaside Memorial Park and Funeral Home
> 4357 Ocean Dr.
> Corpus Christi Tx 78412
> (361) 992-9411
>
> Take your best route to Ocean Dr.  Turn on Robert.  At blinking light,
right
> into cemetary.  The services are at the large chaple just inside the
> cemetary,
>
> I thank you all for the warm thoughts and prayers during this time.
>
> In continued Service,
>
> Muirin
> mka Kim Keplar-Ruiz
>
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From muirin at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 18 05:29:46 2003
From: muirin at hotmail.com (Kimberly Keplar)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:29:46 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the
	Rampant of Ram's Isle
Message-ID: <BAY9-F24QMRU9sMEUAM00010f63@hotmail.com>


Thank you Diego...lately my blonde roots have been showing more often than 
usual.  If anyone requires more information, please contact me off list.

Muirin

>From: "George Berry" <diegovalor22 at grandecom.net>
>Reply-To: SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com
>To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>, <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>CC: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of 
>Ram's Isle
>Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:27:21 -0500
>
>Dear Friends,
>
>The time for the service is 10:00AM.  (I checked with the Seaside Funeral
>Home.)
>
>In Service,
>George
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kimberly Keplar" <muirin at hotmail.com>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Cc: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 10:27 AM
>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's
>Isle
>
>
> >
> > Greetings all,
> >
> > Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, mka Lawrence
>David
> > Ruiz, will be held on Sat., 23 August 2003 at Seaside Memorial Park and
> > Funeral Home in Corpus Christi, Tx.  All are welcome to attend.  In lieu
>of
> > flowers or gifts, donations in Lawrence's name are being given to Ronald
> > McDonald House and Charlie's Place (a charitable drug rehabilitation
>center
> > in Corpus Christi).  For more informaition, please call Seaside Memorial
> > Park.
> >
> > Seaside Memorial Park and Funeral Home
> > 4357 Ocean Dr.
> > Corpus Christi Tx 78412
> > (361) 992-9411
> >
> > Take your best route to Ocean Dr.  Turn on Robert.  At blinking light,
>right
> > into cemetary.  The services are at the large chaple just inside the
> > cemetary,
> >
> > I thank you all for the warm thoughts and prayers during this time.
> >
> > In continued Service,
> >
> > Muirin
> > mka Kim Keplar-Ruiz
> >
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From medievalbelle at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 18 13:56:10 2003
From: medievalbelle at yahoo.com (Stacy E. Dickey)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:56:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Baron Gavin
Message-ID: <20030818205610.12844.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry for the bandwidth, folks, but would Gavin please contact me
privately? A mutual friend out of kingdom is in search of you.


~Madame Colete d'Evreux

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From edrei at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 18 07:30:55 2003
From: edrei at earthlink.net (David  Backlin)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:30:55 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [TY] ARMOR SHOP LOOTED/ MEMPHIS,TN AREA
Message-ID: <019c01c36595$597554e0$d02afea9@gateway>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Kane1Lissa at aol.com>
To: <meridian-ty at yahoogroups.com>


> This is a member of Shadow Legion. Keep a lookout for this stuff and
> crosspost freely!
>
> Duchess Ilissa
> Meridies
> ******************************************************
> Subj:    [Shadow_Legion] Talan's shop was robbed.  ARMOUR MISSING!  Please
> read!
> Date:   08/18/2003 8:51:02 AM Central Daylight Time
> From:   GypsyJade at UReach.com (Kali)
> To: shadow_legion at yahoogroups.com
>
> Hi Guys,
> Talan's shop was broken into between Saturday night & today.  He
> lost all of his tools - a Stanley four drawer tool box full of
> all of the tools that he needs in order to do his job.  Hundreds
> of dollars worth of sockets, hand tools, and everything under
> the sun is GONE.
>
> To make this even worse, the idiots grabbed the armour bag
> also.
>
>  Talan has very very distinctive armour.
> His face helm gets quite a few comments wherever he goes.  It
> has a tongue sticking out that is pierced.  The arms & legs are
> splinted and very nicely done.  The kidney belt is a large
> leather piece that is banded with plates & has half moon shapes
> & a small shield on the back.  The belt is studded with little
> rivets all along the outside edge.  Everything (& I mean
> everything) was taken.  This is a custom set of armour that
> would cost someone thousands of dollars to replace.
>
> While I do not suspect that someone within society took the
> armour, I can't help thinking that it may show up either at an
> event or on eBay.
>
> Also, I have pictures of his armour if anyone would like to see
> them.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
> Please forward this on to every SCA list on which you are a
> member.  I really want to get the word out there.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kali, who is shaking so hard that she does not know what to do
>



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From stargate_seneschal at mail.ev1.net  Mon Aug 18 09:00:37 2003
From: stargate_seneschal at mail.ev1.net (stargate_seneschal)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:00:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] FWD: Texas Gulf Coast area SCA Rapier Board
Message-ID: <200308181100.AA69337408@mail.ev1.net>

For those who may have an interest. (This was received in my old 
Seneschal mail account.) 

Lady Isabeau Quiquandon
(FORMER Stargate Seneschal)

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "John Trojanowski" <john at trojanowski.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:09:56 -0500

Greetings All:
>
>My name is John Trojanowski and I am a sport (modern) fencer in 
the Houston-Galveston area. I also run a website for the benefit 
of said fencers within the Gulf Coast Division of the USFA.
>
>However, in the process of creating a forum site with a variety 
of boards for discussion (lack of communication is a big problem 
sometimes) I determined to expand the scope.
>
>So on this site 
>http://campechesteel.proboards15.com/index.cgi
>
>I have set up a board for historical fencing discussion and for 
SCA fencing discussion. My primary emphasis is the Gulf Coast 
region, but this is by no means a rule, just a re-occurring focus. 
I have corresponded with the few folks I communicate with in the 
SCA (Chris "Don Tivar Moondragon" Zakes, Elizabeth Zakes, 
Robert "Lyelf" Lyle), but they are all in Austin or the Dallas-Ft. 
Worth area.
>
>What I'd like to do is offer use of this board for the 
rapier/light fencers of the Gulf Coast Region of the SCA. If you 
folks decide you like it, I'd be happy to let one amongst you 
serve as moderator.
>
>It's new. No postings yet. Feel free to explore and use and get 
back to me. Let your fencers know.
>
>John Trojanowski
>
>
 

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From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 15:49:28 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:49:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Ansteorra-announce] Jams and jellies for
	Protectorate
Message-ID: <20030818174928.A15398@stardock.pug.net>

On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 09:04 PM, Maleah wrote:
>     Part of the festivities at this year's Protectorate is a Jams and
> Jellies competition sponsored by HE Ulf and myself. This is to help 
> showcase
> the aspiring cooks in our great kingdom.

> So, dig through your recipes, take advantage of the end of season 
> sales and
> bring your viands to Protectorate.
For those looking for recipes to try for this interesting competition, 
there are a few files in the Florilegium that might prove to be of use.
In the FOOD-SWEETS section:
marmalades-msg    (60K)  5/17/02    Period marmalades and fruit jellies 
and jams
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-SWEETS/marmalades-msg.html

There are also several files in the FOOD-FRUITS section that have 
information on various period fruits which might be useable in jellies 
and jams. Here are two of them:
fruits-msg       (104K)  5/21/02    Medieval fruits and fruit dishes. 
Recipes.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-FRUITS/fruits-msg.html
fruit-quinces-msg (64K) 12/14/02    Period uses and recipes for quinces.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-FRUITS/fruit-quinces-msg.html

Stefan
--------
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    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 18:43:30 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:43:30 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Greetings and Hi There,

I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't heard
any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?

Thanks for the info.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.



From pug at pug.net  Mon Aug 18 19:21:02 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:21:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>;
	from gilli@hot.rr.com on Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 08:43:30PM -0500
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>

Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
> calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't heard
> any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?

  Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a fact
  today.

  Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more per
  year if they hold any of the following:

- Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
- A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event

Ciao,

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From Reihla at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 19:55:51 2003
From: Reihla at aol.com (Reihla at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:55:51 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <17d.1f41e959.2c72ebb7@aol.com>

I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our recent 
 meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per year 
*including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event per year. 
 

I'm almost sure there was a discussion about which of Wiesenfeuer's three 
events per year we weren't going to do in order to bring us in line with the new 
policy.

Or maybe I was hallucinating.  

- Kat  >^.,.^<


From ThoraOdottir at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 20:04:19 2003
From: ThoraOdottir at aol.com (ThoraOdottir at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:04:19 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <f7.2f39227b.2c72edb3@aol.com>

There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies will 
be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event per 
year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can be no 
new court business conducted at the unofficial events.  

This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some hard 
decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to save 
the ones we enjoy through co-operation.

Thora Olafsdottir
DFT


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:06:27 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:06:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

I am well aware of the 2 events for Shires and Cantons and 3 for Baronies,
plus any Kingdom of Regional events that they might do.  We have been on
that system for a good many years now.

However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number of
calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not seen
anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a year
while a Barony could do two.

Is this true?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> > I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
> > calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't
heard
> > any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
>
>   Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a fact
>   today.
>
>   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more per
>   year if they hold any of the following:
>
> - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
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Blvd
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:09:25 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:09:25 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <f7.2f39227b.2c72edb3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c365ff$4cc74720$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

So since it is "proposed" there is still room for some discussion on it?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <ThoraOdottir at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies
will
> be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event
per
> year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can be
no
> new court business conducted at the unofficial events.
>
> This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some
hard
> decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to
save
> the ones we enjoy through co-operation.
>
> Thora Olafsdottir
> DFT
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:16:51 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:16:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <f7.2f39227b.2c72edb3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c36600$566b1f80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Also, when and where was it proposed?  I've seen no such discussion on such
a monumental change in how we do business discussed or even mentioned on the
RT list.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <ThoraOdottir at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies
will
> be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event
per
> year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can be
no
> new court business conducted at the unofficial events.
>
> This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some
hard
> decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to
save
> the ones we enjoy through co-operation.
>
> Thora Olafsdottir
> DFT
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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From meadhbh at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:30:47 2003
From: meadhbh at austin.rr.com (meadhbh)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:30:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>

It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
more information.

Mistress Meadhbh
Secretary to the Kingdom Seneschal

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Bob Dewart
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:06 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?

I am well aware of the 2 events for Shires and Cantons and 3 for
Baronies,
plus any Kingdom of Regional events that they might do.  We have been on
that system for a good many years now.

However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number
of
calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not
seen
anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a
year
while a Barony could do two.

Is this true?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> > I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the
number of
> > calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I
haven't
heard
> > any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
>
>   Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a
fact
>   today.
>
>   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more
per
>   year if they hold any of the following:
>
> - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:39:38 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:39:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>
Message-ID: <002a01c36603$8766c460$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Thanks for the info.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "meadhbh" <meadhbh at austin.rr.com>
To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
> can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
> suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
> more information.
> 
> Mistress Meadhbh
> Secretary to the Kingdom Seneschal
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Bob Dewart
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:06 PM
> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> 
> I am well aware of the 2 events for Shires and Cantons and 3 for
> Baronies,
> plus any Kingdom of Regional events that they might do.  We have been on
> that system for a good many years now.
> 
> However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number
> of
> calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not
> seen
> anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a
> year
> while a Barony could do two.
> 
> Is this true?
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> 
> 
> > Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> > > I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the
> number of
> > > calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I
> haven't
> heard
> > > any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
> >
> >   Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a
> fact
> >   today.
> >
> >   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more
> per
> >   year if they hold any of the following:
> >
> > - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> > - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event
> >
> > Ciao,
> >
> > --
> > Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
> > System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop
> 625
> >  Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben
> White
> Blvd
> >  Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX
> 78741
> > Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that
> matter.
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From PKieferjr at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 20:42:00 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:42:00 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <99.3bf2a00e.2c72f688@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/18/2003 10:32:19 PM Central Daylight Time, 
meadhbh at austin.rr.com writes:

> It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
> can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
> suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
> more information.
> 
> Mistress Meadhbh
> 

Is the calendar getting that crowded?  Is it the result of growth?  I know 
that we've been adding groups at a rather quick pace.

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From jds at randomgang.com  Mon Aug 18 20:59:53 2003
From: jds at randomgang.com (Jennifer Smith)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:59:53 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>
References: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>
Message-ID: <20030819035953.GB15614@randomgang.com>

On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:30:47PM -0500, meadhbh wrote:
> It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
> can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
> suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
> more information.

Isn't this what the redtape mailing list is for?  (I've noticed it's
hardly used at all, which seems silly...)


-- 
Jennifer Smith
jds at randomgang.com


From mtucker at airmail.net  Mon Aug 18 21:43:09 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:43:09 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <001d01c36600$566b1f80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 10:16  PM, Bob Dewart wrote:

> Also, when and where was it proposed?  I've seen no such discussion on 
> such
> a monumental change in how we do business discussed or even mentioned 
> on the
> RT list.
>
> Gilli
>

Hi, Gilli:

This was announced by Their Majesties Ulsted and Cateau at King's Round 
Table (the "Red Tape" event) back on July 19, to the Barons and 
Baronesses in fief and any other officers who were present. I learned 
about it from Godwin and Lissa (Baron and Baroness of Stargate) when 
they got home from the event. It was not put to them as a suggestion by 
the Their Majesties, but rather it was announced to them as a change 
that was going to be made, along with an explanation of why.

To answer Johann Kiefer Hayden's question: yes, the calendar is "that 
crowded". It's been "that crowded" for years, which is why the kingdom 
installed the present limit on events. But Their Majesties evidently 
feel that those limits haven't been successful, hence the lower limits.

As Meadhbh said, this change will be made to Kingdom Law, although it 
hasn't been made yet (so I suppose there's still time to discuss the 
change with the Kingdom Seneschal and Their Majesties).

If you have any questions about this, you should contact the Kingdom 
Seneschal (seneschal at ansteorra.org) or Their Majesties 
(crown at ansteorra.org), or your local Baron and Baroness (who should 
have heard about this first-hand at Round Table). Or raise the subject 
on Red Tape, as a couple of you have suggested.

Personally, I feel that this change is a Good Thing(tm), and should 
encourage us to have fewer, but better, events. It should encourage 
more groups to bid for kingdom events (such as King's College), which 
often go begging for bids at present (or just don't get held). (There's 
a list of these events in Kingdom Law.) It should also encourage events 
that are hosted by multiple groups, pooling their efforts to pull off 
truly spectacular events.

Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they 
want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom 
Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards 
can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the 
Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band candy", or 
any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their 
group's expenses. :-)

Yours in service,
Michael Silverhands



From jtc at swordworks.org  Mon Aug 18 23:02:51 2003
From: jtc at swordworks.org (James Crouchet)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:02:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <200308190102.51369.jtc@swordworks.org>

On Monday 18 August 2003 09:21 pm, Pug Bainter wrote:

>   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more
> per year if they hold any of the following:
>
> - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event

I also understand that events above kingdom level -- Bod Meetings, 40th 
Anniversary of the SCA, Gulf War, KW Dance, KW Heraldic, etc. are exempt 
from the count. However, if you really want the skinny on this ask the 
Seneschal or her calendar deputy. Maybe someone can post the proposed 
text.

Dor?




From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 23:03:03 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:03:03 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c36617$8ea70fa0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Some groups don't have landed folks.

No, it's a bad thing.
1.    Reduces opportunities to get awards given to populace.
2.    Will increase court times. Instead of being able to have the awards
given at several events during the year it will now be at only one for
Shires and Cantons.
3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several a
year now.  And most groups don't do them.
4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third for
Baronies.
5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.

I hate to say it, but the reason the Kingdom calendar is too full is because
the Kingdom is too big.  Now there is politically incorrect thought.

I will email the Crown tomorrow.  It's too late tonight to do so
effectively.  But item one above really bothers me.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Tucker" <mtucker at airmail.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


>
> On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 10:16  PM, Bob Dewart wrote:
>
> > Also, when and where was it proposed?  I've seen no such discussion on
> > such
> > a monumental change in how we do business discussed or even mentioned
> > on the
> > RT list.
> >
> > Gilli
> >
>
> Hi, Gilli:
>
> This was announced by Their Majesties Ulsted and Cateau at King's Round
> Table (the "Red Tape" event) back on July 19, to the Barons and
> Baronesses in fief and any other officers who were present. I learned
> about it from Godwin and Lissa (Baron and Baroness of Stargate) when
> they got home from the event. It was not put to them as a suggestion by
> the Their Majesties, but rather it was announced to them as a change
> that was going to be made, along with an explanation of why.
>
> To answer Johann Kiefer Hayden's question: yes, the calendar is "that
> crowded". It's been "that crowded" for years, which is why the kingdom
> installed the present limit on events. But Their Majesties evidently
> feel that those limits haven't been successful, hence the lower limits.
>
> As Meadhbh said, this change will be made to Kingdom Law, although it
> hasn't been made yet (so I suppose there's still time to discuss the
> change with the Kingdom Seneschal and Their Majesties).
>
> If you have any questions about this, you should contact the Kingdom
> Seneschal (seneschal at ansteorra.org) or Their Majesties
> (crown at ansteorra.org), or your local Baron and Baroness (who should
> have heard about this first-hand at Round Table). Or raise the subject
> on Red Tape, as a couple of you have suggested.
>
> Personally, I feel that this change is a Good Thing(tm), and should
> encourage us to have fewer, but better, events. It should encourage
> more groups to bid for kingdom events (such as King's College), which
> often go begging for bids at present (or just don't get held). (There's
> a list of these events in Kingdom Law.) It should also encourage events
> that are hosted by multiple groups, pooling their efforts to pull off
> truly spectacular events.
>
> Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they
> want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom
> Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards
> can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the
> Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band candy", or
> any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their
> group's expenses. :-)
>
> Yours in service,
> Michael Silverhands
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From Fitzmorgan at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 05:41:06 2003
From: Fitzmorgan at aol.com (Fitzmorgan at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:41:06 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <1ab.1907c33f.2c7374e2@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/18/2003 11:40:19 PM Central Standard Time, 
mtucker at airmail.net writes:


> Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they 
> want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom 
> Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards 
> can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the 
> Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band candy", or 
> any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their 
> group's expenses. :-)
> 
> Yours in service,
> Michael Silverhands
> 

       Which could lead to more events where there is no Court, and we can 
start the parties and the Bardic before Midnight.  

Robert


From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 06:05:25 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:05:25 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>;
	from gilli@hot.rr.com on Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:06:27PM -0500
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
	<000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030819080525.A22649@stardock.pug.net>

Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number of
> calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not seen
> anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a year
> while a Barony could do two.

Unfortunately I was at pennsic for our last business meeting where this
change would have been discussed so I wasn't aware of the change since I
didn't attend Red tape.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "If you don't worry 'bout the future
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   sooner or later it's the past
Dark Horde Moritu      |   And if they say the thrill is gone
pug at pug.net            |   then it's time to take it back" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From arabella at elfsea.net  Tue Aug 19 06:22:19 2003
From: arabella at elfsea.net (Lisa Duke)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:22:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c36617$8ea70fa0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c36654$eae70300$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>

Gilli said:

<snipped>
3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several a
year now.  And most groups don't do them.
4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third for
Baronies.
5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.


HL Arabella, past Kingdom Calendar Deputy here......

Nobody said they can't have the events.  Just that each group will have 1
less on the official Kingdom Calendar.  They can still have that event.
Just no awards can be given out that affect the Order of Precedence, no
armigerous awards.

It won't even affect a groups ability to advertise in the Black Star.  A
group can still pay the standard rate for their event announcement.  They
can still use the allowed free advertisement per year on the non-calendar
event if they wish.  Unless our wonderful chronicler makes a policy change.

An example... This is purely hypothetical.... If the Barony of the Steppes
chooses to make it's Steppes Artisan event off Calendar do you think that
will affect anything?  People will still attend, the B&B  can still give out
Baronial non-armigerous awards, there will still be the artisan competition,
and any other competition the barony wishes to hold.




From gn-white at tamu.edu  Tue Aug 19 06:25:56 2003
From: gn-white at tamu.edu (Norman White)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:25:56 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <sf41df18.014@ag.tamu.edu>

Greetings from Master Jin Liu Ch'ang,

I normally do not post to the list, preferring to be a lurker, but I felt the need to speak on this topic.
Gilli said that event limits are a bad thing because:
>Some groups don't have landed folks. 
I come from the Shire of the Shadowlands, one of the small groups that have trouble getting event dates.
We have no landed or even unlanded barons in our group.
Our group is within 150 miles of Stargate and its cantons, Ravensfort, Bryn Gwlad, and most other groups in the Southern and Coastal Regions.
As a group, you do not want to have an event the week before or after another close by group much less the same date so that cuts out most weekends. 
When you combine that with the fact that the community in which we are based, Bryan/College Station, has an enormous university (TAMU) that holds its own events that basically wreck traffic for many weekends, especially in the fall, we have experienced many problems getting dates for events.
Part of our problem with scheduling events is that we dare not try to schedule an event against an A&M football game, graduation, or other large college event.
But another problem is that our surrounding groups have felt the need to hold 3 to 4 events per year.
When there are approximately 10 groups nearby, combined with coronations and such, this does not leave many free weekends for us to have events.
Therefore, I am glad to hear that something is being done.

As for Gilli's reasons that the limit is a bad thing:
>1.    Reduces opportunities to get awards given to populace.

Most of the people in my group have either gotten their awards at other group's events or they got them from a visiting baron and baroness.
This occurred so often in our history that it resulted in Baron Don Tivar and Baroness Aethylean (I apologize if I misspelled their names) becoming the first persons to receive a Comet for service to a group in which they were not a resident.
Myself, I received my Iris and Laurel at Ravensfort events because our group was unable to get event dates during that period.
Therefore, his second objection:

>2.    Will increase court times. Instead of being able to have the awards
>given at several events during the year it will now be at only one for
>Shires and Cantons.

Courts have been too long for years.
The most objectionable reason for court length in my mind is the feeling by some people that they need to do presentations in court.
I feel that if you feel the need to do a presentation in court, you are doing it for the wrong reasons.
As for the ability to receive awards several times in the year, be happy to have an event to get them once. 
I also do not believe that holding only one event a year will hurt most people as far as getting awards as very few deserve more than one a year.
As for his third objection:

>3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several a
>year now.  And most groups don't do them.

Our last few events have had less than maybe a dozen people attend from outside the group because other groups were having bigger events.  In one case, we thought we had a chance to hold a well attended event but the Kingdom calendar changed and it resulted in Elfsea having an event opposite ours.

I have nothing to say about his fourth and fifth objections, except been there, gone through it for years.
>4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third for
>Baronies.
>5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.

As for his last statement:
>I hate to say it, but the reason the Kingdom calendar is too full is because
>the Kingdom is too big.  Now there is politically incorrect thought.

This may be true, but if you look at the calendars for other Kingdoms, you will find that very few of them have groups holding 3 and 4 events a year.

Gilli's last statement:
>I will email the Crown tomorrow.  It's too late tonight to do so
>effectively.  But item one above really bothers me.

Discussion on decisions such as this are always welcome but I remember Ulsted and Cateau when they were members of the Shire of the Shadowlands so I know they remember what it is like to be unable to get dates.

It must be nice to live where there are fewer surrounding groups and you can get event dates.

Jin Liu Ch'ang
m.k.a. Norman White
gn-white at tamu.edu



From nweders at mail.utexas.edu  Tue Aug 19 06:55:18 2003
From: nweders at mail.utexas.edu (Nancy Wederstrandt)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:55:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS
In-Reply-To: <200308191327.h7JDRDa29994@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030819083938.00b21850@mail.utexas.edu>

Greetings,

I have to agree with several of the written statements but I'd like to 
point out something.

Good events are well-attended whether or not they on on the calendar.  They 
need to be not cookie-cutter, non-boring events.  I won't go to something 
that all I do is sit and not have any exchange or things or interest.  I 
expect I will attend Steppes Artisan because I really enjoy the 
event.  It's an artisan event where it's low key, fun and I get to see 
people who rarely can travel or only make it to this event.

I agree with Michael - the quality has to improve.  I really enjoyed events 
like Maekloth, King Alfonzo's Tourney, Steppes Artisan, the Alexandrian 
Symposia.   Some of the best King's Colleges have been in small 
groups.  Look at Festival of Japan - It's a great even because it's unique.....

Keep in mind Regional events might be a good thing.  The smaller groups in 
a region could get together and hold one for the Region.

It is true that the Kingdom is getting larger.... It will eventually grow 
smaller as well.

Regards,

Clare



From YsfaelEleanor at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 07:16:06 2003
From: YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:16:06 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS
Message-ID: <ea.3cc7111a.2c738b26@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 9:01:12 AM Central Daylight Time, 
nweders at mail.utexas.edu writes:


> 
> Keep in mind Regional events might be a good thing.  The smaller groups in 
> a region could get together and hold one for the Region.
> 
> 

             As well as the fact that it might provide more cohesion within 
the regions, it is also true that an award for a person can be given at an 
event in an adjoining group or one that is across the Kingdom for that matter.  So 
opportunities to take care of court business are not so lost as at first it 
might appear. 

             Peace and Grace
             Ysfael 


From eirik at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 07:58:20 2003
From: eirik at hot.rr.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:58:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <000001c36662$59276cd0$1402a8c0@eirik>

> If you have any questions about this, you should contact the Kingdom 
> Seneschal (seneschal at ansteorra.org) or Their Majesties 
> (crown at ansteorra.org), or your local Baron and Baroness (who should 
> have heard about this first-hand at Round Table). Or raise 
> the subject 
> on Red Tape, as a couple of you have suggested.

First of all, why has no of this been told to those shires that don't
have landed nobles to inform them. As a shire member, I can tell you
that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups. The
baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind of
news to the shires, at least in my region. 
 
> Personally, I feel that this change is a Good Thing(tm), and should 
> encourage us to have fewer, but better, events. It should encourage 
> more groups to bid for kingdom events (such as King's College), which 
> often go begging for bids at present (or just don't get 
> held). (There's 
> a list of these events in Kingdom Law.) It should also 
> encourage events 
> that are hosted by multiple groups, pooling their efforts to pull off 
> truly spectacular events.

What about those groups that have one event a year and it is up against
a Steppes Warlord or it rains for several days and their site is not
usable. These groups would lose money on those events that wouldn't be
recoverable. Non-calender events are good for local stuff that local
folks want to attend, but don't have the draw of calender events. If you
have an event that the Crown attends, you will see a bigger attendance
rather than a non-calender event that no Kingdom business can occur at.
 
> Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they 
> want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom 
> Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards 
> can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the 
> Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band 
> candy", or 
> any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their 
> group's expenses. :-)

This won't keep weekends down to one event. There are 42 groups listed
in the Black Star. There are 52 weekends in the year. Six weekends are
taken up by Crown Tourneys, Coronations, and Round Table events. Four
weekends happen during Pennsic and Gulf wars. That leaves 42 weekends.
There are 65 calender events that can be held. There will still be
weekends that have two or more events during the year. Looking at the
unoffical calendar online for the next year there are less than 6
weekends that have more than two events. All this does in my opinion is
cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events given
to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow those
groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
functioning.

Eirik




From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 08:39:02 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000001c36662$59276cd0$1402a8c0@eirik>
References: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <3F41FE46.10954.328F86@localhost>

On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
<snip>
 All this does in my opinion
> is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
> second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow
> those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> functioning.
> 
> Eirik


Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at the next crown 
tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship tournament. I 
would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many interesting places to 
go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put together or staff since 
the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by someone on the 
kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That is a great chance to 
shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that might or might not 
have been well staffed. 

Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should be post 
Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember that 
Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to do was book a 
site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and running the list usually 
had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and Crown areas 
were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the events were 
already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it was at the request 
of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that was easy to 
coordinate. 

Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few if any bids 
to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event ahead of time. I 
suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other large group because 
it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute event. 

If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two and have 
volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything concrete you are half 
way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown. You can often 
reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full refund if you 
cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament and then 
cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still several months 
ahead. 

I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. So is time, so grab 
what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's event and make 
a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make the feast or serve 
the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a reviewing stand). 

Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful. 

Claire Shayhan


From cellach at breezykilt.com  Tue Aug 19 09:02:47 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:02:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <028701c3666b$57206320$1108a8c0@bobby>

Honestly, it doesn't look as though the calendar will clear up that much to
me.  People will still have to take a hard look at the multiple events that
are happening on a particular weekend and choose which one they wish to
attend.

Also, the loss of income is an issue.  For the larger Baronies, it's not
such a concern.  They have events that host several hundred people and can
fill their group's coffers at a single event.  Often, for the smaller
groups, there is no hugely attended event to cover the entire year's
expenditures.  Although not terribly likely, what if a small group's event
is washed out the day before?  What if something unforseen happens and the
event must be cancelled?  That group will now have NO substantial income for
the entire year.  It my be rare that it happens, but, it could, conceivably,
result in the folding of a local group.

I'm a member of Namron; a large, healthy and strong Barony!  Not everyone
has this amazing opportunity.  Why penalize the smaller groups?  They desire
and, frankly, need the means to grow and expand.  Limiting the opportunities
for smaller groups in order to make it easier to choose which of the large,
long standing events we will attend is beneficial to a scant few.

We have a large, vibrant and healthy Kingdom.  Let's celebrate that rather
than limit it.

Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Greetings and Hi There,
>
> I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
> calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't
heard
> any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
>
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From hellbilly_tx at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 09:19:23 2003
From: hellbilly_tx at yahoo.com (Zach)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:19:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [TY] ARMOR SHOP LOOTED/ MEMPHIS,TN AREA
In-Reply-To: <019c01c36595$597554e0$d02afea9@gateway>
Message-ID: <20030819161923.18445.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com>


I am crawling the pages of ebay all the time looking at armor just to get ideas.  I probably look at ebay every other day.  Please send me the pictures of the armor and I will keep a look out for them.  If I see what looks like a match I will email you.

 
Nickolai Vatavia

David Backlin <edrei at earthlink.net> wrote:
----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: 


> This is a member of Shadow Legion. Keep a lookout for this stuff and
> crosspost freely!
>
> Duchess Ilissa
> Meridies
> ******************************************************
> Subj: [Shadow_Legion] Talan's shop was robbed. ARMOUR MISSING! Please
> read!
> Date: 08/18/2003 8:51:02 AM Central Daylight Time
> From: GypsyJade at UReach.com (Kali)
> To: shadow_legion at yahoogroups.com
>
> Hi Guys,
> Talan's shop was broken into between Saturday night & today. He
> lost all of his tools - a Stanley four drawer tool box full of
> all of the tools that he needs in order to do his job. Hundreds
> of dollars worth of sockets, hand tools, and everything under
> the sun is GONE.
>
> To make this even worse, the idiots grabbed the armour bag
> also.
>
> Talan has very very distinctive armour.
> His face helm gets quite a few comments wherever he goes. It
> has a tongue sticking out that is pierced. The arms & legs are
> splinted and very nicely done. The kidney belt is a large
> leather piece that is banded with plates & has half moon shapes
> & a small shield on the back. The belt is studded with little
> rivets all along the outside edge. Everything (& I mean
> everything) was taken. This is a custom set of armour that
> would cost someone thousands of dollars to replace.
>
> While I do not suspect that someone within society took the
> armour, I can't help thinking that it may show up either at an
> event or on eBay.
>
> Also, I have pictures of his armour if anyone would like to see
> them.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
> Please forward this on to every SCA list on which you are a
> member. I really want to get the word out there.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kali, who is shaking so hard that she does not know what to do
>



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From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 10:34:15 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:34:15 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <200308191700.h7JH04a32535@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEECEGADEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Several posts said things along the lines of:
>Also, the loss of income is an issue.  For
>the larger Baronies, it's not such a concern.
>They have events that host several hundred
>people and can fill their group's coffers
>at a single event.  Often, for the smaller
>groups, there is no hugely attended event to
>cover the entire year's expenditures.
>Although not terribly likely, what if a
>small group's event is washed out the day
>before?  What if something unforseen happens
>and the event must be cancelled?  That group
>will now have NO substantial income for
>the entire year.  It my be rare that it happens,
>but, it could, conceivably,
>result in the folding of a local group.

My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the sky
is falling in!"

The reason why I say that is that the SCA, and more especially, individual
groups, including baronies, didn't used to have the astronomical bank
accounts we now have and take for granted.

I recall many years ago in Bjornsborg when we passed the hat at our baronial
meeting in order to raise enough "front money" to do an event, and then we
counted upon the gate receipts to cover the expenses. I also recall when
having $35.00 (not three hundred and fifty, or three and a half thousand)
was what we considered a propsperous bank account.

Amazing as it seems today for groups that are used to just writing
several-hundred-dollar checks for event expenses, it is in fact possible to
go out, really check out your local community, drum up donations for bread
and other food, meeting spaces, event locations and so forth.

I'll certainly agree that having a fat wallet makes all this easier, but it
is not essential.  And, in fact, if you have to go out and canvass local
businesses looking for one or two who will make a donation to write off on
their taxes in order to be able to put on an event, there is a second
positive effect and that is that many people get exposed to the whole idea
of the SCA that would not otherwise have known about it, and this can be
useful in terms of community relations, membership, etc.

Unless we end up with a limitaion of no more than *one* event per weekend in
the kingdom, there are going to be conflicts.  That's the way it is.  I
suspect that small groups are in fact harmed more than helped by having
multiple events each year, because you still have other events sucking off
your attendance no matter how many you put on, but I don't *know* that for
sure.

Whether or not that's the case, when there were fewer groups and fewer
events in the kingdom (back when rocks were soft), I think each event *felt*
more special. We had fewer chances to see our friends and to play the game
that is so obviously special to us.  I can see a couple of ways to get back
to that: limiting events so there are no conflicts at all; splitting up into
two or more smaller kingdoms; and probably many others.

What Ansteorrans as a group need to decide is:  "why do we hold events?"  --
if it's just to make money to so that we can hold more events later, then
we're rats on a treadmill.  If the reason is to create really cool places
and occasions in which we can, if only for a few minutes, enjoy sharing
knowledge and our imaginations, then I would suggest that we need to
investigate how we can get to more quality, if less quantity.

I urge the folks who have a knee-jerk reaction that "less events means I
and/or my group are discriminated against" to really look at the total
attendance at your groups events over the last 5 years.  Are they going up?
Going down?  How about attendance at *all* events for a year, over a 5-year
period?  Before you start trying to fix it, see if it in fact broke.  Next
step is to figure out, if your attendance is down, then *why* exactly is it
down?  Can you prove it was a conflicting event? Or was it that your event
was too lackluster to draw more people?  Or you had a catastrophic disaster
(floods, for example) that prevented attendance?  We *have* to look at all
those factors.  The SCA now *does* have more money per group than we used
to.  If were were for-profit businesses, we'd be stupid not to look at what
our customers wanted, and why business was not growing vs. declining.
Guessing is worthless, and the only vote that counts is how many customers
pay you to attend your event.

::GUNNVOR::



From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 10:48:15 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:48:15 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>

I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on Kingdom 
events.
The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor in the central region bid on Crown Tournament 
in October. We never thought we had a chance. Low and behold our small 
canton will be hosting the event.

If you do not put in a bid. You cannot win it. Don?t think you are too small 
to try. This will be a whole new experience for us to learn from, and I for 
one am excited about it.

Just my two cents.
Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor



>From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
>Reply-To: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc." 
><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
>
>On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
><snip>
>  All this does in my opinion
> > is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
> > second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> > the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> > given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow
> > those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> > functioning.
> >
> > Eirik
>
>
>Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at the 
>next crown
>tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship 
>tournament. I
>would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many 
>interesting places to
>go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put together 
>or staff since
>the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by someone 
>on the
>kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That is a 
>great chance to
>shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that 
>might or might not
>have been well staffed.
>
>Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should be 
>post
>Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember 
>that
>Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to do 
>was book a
>site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and running 
>the list usually
>had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and 
>Crown areas
>were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the events 
>were
>already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it was at 
>the request
>of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that was 
>easy to
>coordinate.
>
>Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few if 
>any bids
>to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event ahead 
>of time. I
>suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other large 
>group because
>it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute event.
>
>If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two and 
>have
>volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything 
>concrete you are half
>way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown. You 
>can often
>reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full 
>refund if you
>cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament and 
>then
>cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still 
>several months
>ahead.
>
>I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. So 
>is time, so grab
>what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's 
>event and make
>a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make the 
>feast or serve
>the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a 
>reviewing stand).
>
>Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful.
>
>Claire Shayhan
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From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 11:01:57 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:01:57 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <Law11-F26xtql2IaPfi00064b6f@hotmail.com>

Just an FYI.

When we (The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor) were told of this change (by the 
seneschal of Elfsea) a date and time for the change was unknown as of yet. 
We are waiting to see if it will go into effect in 2004 or 2005. Many of us 
already have our events on the calendar for 2004 so we just have to wait and 
see what happens.

Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor


>From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:09:25 -0500
>
>So since it is "proposed" there is still room for some discussion on it?
>
>Gilli
>Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <ThoraOdottir at aol.com>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> > There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies
>will
> > be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event
>per
> > year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can 
>be
>no
> > new court business conducted at the unofficial events.
> >
> > This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some
>hard
> > decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to
>save
> > the ones we enjoy through co-operation.
> >
> > Thora Olafsdottir
> > DFT
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From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 13:12:50 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:12:50 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
In-Reply-To: <ea.3cc7111a.2c738b26@aol.com>;
	from YsfaelEleanor@aol.com on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 10:16:06AM
	-0400
References: <ea.3cc7111a.2c738b26@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030819151250.B26218@stardock.pug.net>

YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor at aol.com) said something that sounded like:
> it is also true that an award for a person can be given at an 
> event in an adjoining group or one that is across the Kingdom for that matter

That is definitely true. Apparently I received a King's Archer at
Academy of the Bow but I was unable to present at the event. The award
was read into Law at that event and I was given it later. The later
happened to be Pennsic.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "If you want my views of history
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   then there is something you should know.
Dark Horde Moritu      |   The three men I admire the most are
pug at pug.net            |   Curly, Larry and Moe!" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 13:19:19 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:19:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>;
	from lady_pict2@hotmail.com on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 05:48:15PM
	+0000
References: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030819151919.C26218@stardock.pug.net>

Miss Pict (lady_pict2 at hotmail.com) said something that sounded like:
> I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on Kingdom 
> events.

I'd also like to point out that it means I'd be *more* likely to attend
a smaller groups event than I am now when there are fewer events on the
calendar to have to choose from.

Btw, I'd also like to encourage the Crown to hold Circles at the smaller
group events instead of the already jam packed large events. When you
start dreading going to events because of all the "business" being done,
you start thinking about if you really want to go to it. Spread the
wealth out more.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "And I ain't in it for the power
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   And I ain't in it for my health
Dark Horde Moritu      |   I ain't in it for the glory of anything at all
pug at pug.net            |   And I sure ain't in it for the wealth" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From mtucker at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 14:34:08 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:34:08 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000001c36662$59276cd0$1402a8c0@eirik>
Message-ID: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>

On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 09:58  AM, Ron wrote:
> First of all, why has no of this been told to those shires that don't
> have landed nobles to inform them.

One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire 
in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand? 
Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the 
regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending 
change?"

*Most* of the groups in the kingdom don't have landed nobles to inform 
them. That doesn't make them the downtrodden minority, it makes them 
the majority of groups.

Speaking as a former officer of  the kingdom, I assure you that the 
shires, cantons and colleges are given plenty of consideration at the 
kingdom level. But, it has to be a two-way street. The shire's officers 
have to care enough to attend meetings when they're called, bring news 
back from those meetings and share it with their fellow officers and 
populace.

> As a shire member, I can tell you
> that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups. The
> baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind of
> news to the shires, at least in my region.
>

Is it our neighbor Meridies' problem to keep Ansteorra informed of 
changes made by the BoD? No. It's Ansteorra's problem to stay informed, 
all on her own.

It's not the barony's problem to inform you. It's *your* problem to 
stay informed. Or, failing that, it's your up-line officers (regional 
and kingdom) to see that you are informed of changes.

> ... The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events given
> to shires and cantons if this goes into effect.
> ...
> That would allow those
> groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> functioning.
>
> Eirik

I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you 
don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.

I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather 
have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than 
have 3 bland "formula" events.

The research was done years ago to determine that we needed fewer, 
better, events. The Crown and Kingdom Seneschal suggested that groups 
head in that direction. Very few listened. Modest limits were put in 
place. Still, very few listened. We're about to see stronger limits put 
in place.

I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do 
something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal 
to impose those limits in the first place.

Yours,
Michael Silverhands



From PKieferjr at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 14:59:22 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:59:22 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <36.465a5ba7.2c73f7ba@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 4:34:50 PM Central Daylight Time, 
mtucker at airmail.net writes:

> I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do 
> something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal 
> to impose those limits in the first place.
> 
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands
> 

So, let's see if I get this straight:  As an analogy, we're like a business 
in Chapter 11 that has to reorganize itself into a leaner, meaner business in 
order to survive, which means that we have to sacrifice something along the 
way.  Would this be correct?

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)  (Seriously considering 
reviving the "principality" dead horse.)


From eirik at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 15:13:06 2003
From: eirik at hot.rr.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:13:06 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <004301c3669f$13f28540$1402a8c0@eirik>

> > First of all, why has no of this been told to those shires 
> that don't 
> > have landed nobles to inform them.
> 
> One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from 
> your shire 
> in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand? 
> Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the 
> regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending 
> change?"

I was at Round Table and was in the GOoFs meeting. Apparently this was
announced in the meeting that was restricted to the Landed
Baron/Baronesses. Kinda hard for someone from a group that doesn't have
a Landed Baron/Baroness to find out about it.

Eirik




From mama_mac at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 15:24:49 2003
From: mama_mac at airmail.net (Donna Wallis)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:24:49 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <002001c366a0$b67aaf80$110988cf@donna>

>Michael Silverhands wrote:
>
>One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire
>in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand?
>Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the
>regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending
>change?"


I was at King's Round Table and do not believe this was discussed in any
open session. As I understand it was discussed at the meeting the Crown
had with the Landed Nobles. Our Canton was informed by our Barony of the
changes that would be coming soon.

So Shires were left out unless the Crown or a Landed Noble contacted
them at King's Round Table .  I don't know if the Regional or Kingdom
Seneschal contacted them about the changes.


Dana Mac an Ghabhann
Loch Ruadh REALLY  ROCKS!!!




From mtucker at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 15:30:51 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:30:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <36.465a5ba7.2c73f7ba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C9E20AAF-D294-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 04:59  PM, PKieferjr at aol.com wrote:
>> I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do
>> something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and 
>> Seneschal
>> to impose those limits in the first place.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Michael Silverhands
>>
>
> So, let's see if I get this straight:  As an analogy, we're like a 
> business
> in Chapter 11 that has to reorganize itself into a leaner, meaner 
> business in
> order to survive, which means that we have to sacrifice something 
> along the
> way.  Would this be correct?
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)  (Seriously considering
> reviving the "principality" dead horse.)
>

I disagree with your analogy of a business in Chapter 11. We aren't 
"going down the tubes" financially, as your analogy implies. On the 
contrary, as Mistress Gunnvor and others have posted, we are blessed 
with good fortune (perhaps too much). We have more groups than ever 
before in our history; most groups have more money in their bank 
accounts than ever before. I think that you're missing the point.

I think that I could restate what's been said (by me and others) as: 
"We have a run-away condition of too many low-margin, low-attendance, 
cookie-cutter tiny-tourneys on the calendar; yet high-profile kingdom 
events go begging for bids. Therefore we need to limit the number of 
on-calendar events, to encourage groups to hold better, fewer events."

How did you get from that, to "seriously considering reviving the 
"principality" dead horse"? True, each piece of a divided kingdom would 
have fewer events on its calendar; we have somewhat that situation 
already, with the kingdom calendar deputy charged to prevent 
conflicting events within each region. But will that solve the 
over-riding problem (as restated above)? I don't think so. Limiting 
events by region hasn't helped to unclutter the calendar or improve the 
quality of our events, so how would dividing the kingdom help?

Yours,
Michael Silverhands



From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 19 15:28:22 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:28:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Quoting Michael Tucker <mtucker at airmail.net>:

> One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire
> in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand? 
> Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the 
> regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending 
> change?"

Of course, one might ask why all the pelicans, knights, laurels, white scarves, 
centurians, etc don't all attend the various circles.  We don't even have all 
of any of these groups attend even if the circle is local.<G>

True, the seneschals should have been informed by either the kingdom seneschal 
or their regional and then, in turn, inform their own populace.  Evidently this 
isn't the case with every group.

> 
> *Most* of the groups in the kingdom don't have landed nobles to inform
> 
> them. That doesn't make them the downtrodden minority, it makes them 
> the majority of groups.
> 
> Speaking as a former officer of  the kingdom, I assure you that the 
> shires, cantons and colleges are given plenty of consideration at the 
> kingdom level. But, it has to be a two-way street. The shire's officers
> have to care enough to attend meetings when they're called, bring news
> back from those meetings and share it with their fellow officers and 
> populace.

Again, were the all the seneschals in the kingdom required to be at Round Table 
or send a representative?  If so, then there's no excuse.  If not, then it 
falls back to being informed by kingdom or regional level.

> 
> > As a shire member, I can tell you
> > that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups.
> The
> > baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind
> of
> > news to the shires, at least in my region.
> >
> 
> Is it our neighbor Meridies' problem to keep Ansteorra informed of 
> changes made by the BoD? No. It's Ansteorra's problem to stay informed,
> all on her own.

At least the BOD announces the changes they are contemplating (to a certain 
extent) if it's going to affect the populace in general.  And perhaps the Crown 
or the kingdom seneschal will have just such an announcement in a future Black 
Star.  Hopefully that's the case as it seems that there is a fair amount of 
resistance to such a change.

> 
> It's not the barony's problem to inform you. It's *your* problem to 
> stay informed. Or, failing that, it's your up-line officers (regional 
> and kingdom) to see that you are informed of changes.
> 
<snip>

> I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you 
> don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.
> 
> I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather
> 
> have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than 
> have 3 bland "formula" events.
> 
> The research was done years ago to determine that we needed fewer, 
> better, events. The Crown and Kingdom Seneschal suggested that groups 
> head in that direction. Very few listened. Modest limits were put in 
> place. Still, very few listened. We're about to see stronger limits put
> 
> in place.
> 
> I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do 
> something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal
> 
> to impose those limits in the first place.
> 
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands

Has the problem been brought to the people?

And just what is the problem?  I've been hearing for years that the calendar is 
too crowded.  Everytime I hear that, I check the calendar and actually run the 
numbers.  It makes me wonder just what certain people consider "crowded".

For instance, if you were to look at the current 12 months (Aug '03 to July '04)
of the kindom calendar on line, you will find :

There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events per 
weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)

If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled (Christmas, 
Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings the 
number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)

The breakdown is :

25 weekends with only 1 event
14 weekends with 2 events
4 weekends with 3 events
1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.

This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled have 3 
or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with events 
scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an event 
or 2.

Also something that people don't tend to mention when they say the calendar is 
too crowded is that, in addition to the current group limitations, there is 
also a regional limitation (no more than 1 per region per weekend) and a 
distance limitation (not sure where the mileage between events has to be, but 
I'm sure HL Gwenneth Blackrose can tell us).  Yes, these limitations can be 
waived, but it's not often that they are.

So I guess my whole question is "What is the problem?".  It doesn't appear that 
the current system is broken, so as the old saying goes "If it ain't broke, 
don't fix it."  Improvements are one thing, but I don't see as whole these new 
limitations will improve things appreciably.

Ansgar



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From arabella at elfsea.net  Tue Aug 19 15:33:49 2003
From: arabella at elfsea.net (Lisa Duke)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:33:49 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030819151919.C26218@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <000601c366a1$f60079e0$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>

HL Arabella here:

Pug said.........
When you
start dreading going to events because of all the "business" being done,
you start thinking about if you really want to go to it. Spread the
wealth out more.

Ciao,

--
Phelim "Pug" Gervase

Be very careful what you say Master Pug.  Why should you dread going to an
event because of "business being done"?  The peers of this realm don't have
to.   You know there is a meeting happening twice a year set aside for
nothing but business.  It's already on the Calendar.  It even had a name
change recently.  At the last one, Their Majesties were in their finest
Royal wardrobe to conduct official Royal business.

Be very careful what you wish for, It might come true.

HL Arabella de Montacute
"Never pass up an opportunity to say nothing.  If you need to say something
do it in private."
Foster Prot?g? to Sir Pendaran Glamorgan




From mtucker at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 15:40:17 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:40:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <004301c3669f$13f28540$1402a8c0@eirik>
Message-ID: <1B548FD1-D296-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>

> I was at Round Table and was in the GOoFs meeting. Apparently this was
> announced in the meeting that was restricted to the Landed
> Baron/Baronesses. ...
>
> Eirik
>

> I was at King's Round Table and do not believe this was discussed in 
> any
> open session. As I understand it was discussed at the meeting the Crown
> had with the Landed Nobles. ...
>
> Dana Mac an Ghabhann
> Loch Ruadh REALLY  ROCKS!!!
>

D'oh!

Michael Silverhands

p.s. in that case, I would think that the seneschalate should have 
promptly disseminated this information to the rest of the kingdom. But, 
a) I wasn't there, and b) I don't know what they did or didn't do or 
why, so c) I'll be quiet now. :-P



From Fitzmorgan at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 16:12:31 2003
From: Fitzmorgan at aol.com (Fitzmorgan at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:12:31 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <137.23dbe475.2c7408df@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 5:32:43 PM Central Standard Time, 
mama_mac at airmail.net writes:


> I was at King's Round Table and do not believe this was discussed in any
> open session. As I understand it was discussed at the meeting the Crown
> had with the Landed Nobles. Our Canton was informed by our Barony of the
> changes that would be coming soon.
> 
> So Shires were left out unless the Crown or a Landed Noble contacted
> them at King's Round Table .  I don't know if the Regional or Kingdom
> Seneschal contacted them about the changes.
> 
> 
      I was at Round Table.  I wasn't told about it.  I heard about it from 
someone who heard about it from someone in the B & B meeting.   At this point 
still third-hand rumor for all I know.  I assume it's true because no one is on 
here denying it.

Robert Fitzmorgan
Northern Regional Seneschal


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 16:13:22 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:13:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c366a7$7ca58620$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

My understanding is that the Tor was the only one that bid on it.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miss Pict" <lady_pict2 at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on
Kingdom
> events.
> The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor in the central region bid on Crown
Tournament
> in October. We never thought we had a chance. Low and behold our small
> canton will be hosting the event.
>
> If you do not put in a bid. You cannot win it. Don't think you are too
small
> to try. This will be a whole new experience for us to learn from, and I
for
> one am excited about it.
>
> Just my two cents.
> Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor
>
>
>
> >From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
> ><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
> >
> >On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
> ><snip>
> >  All this does in my opinion
> > > is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
> > > second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> > > the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> > > given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow
> > > those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> > > functioning.
> > >
> > > Eirik
> >
> >
> >Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at
the
> >next crown
> >tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship
> >tournament. I
> >would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many
> >interesting places to
> >go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put together
> >or staff since
> >the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by
someone
> >on the
> >kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That is
a
> >great chance to
> >shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that
> >might or might not
> >have been well staffed.
> >
> >Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should
be
> >post
> >Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember
> >that
> >Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to do
> >was book a
> >site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and
running
> >the list usually
> >had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and
> >Crown areas
> >were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the events
> >were
> >already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it was
at
> >the request
> >of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that
was
> >easy to
> >coordinate.
> >
> >Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few if
> >any bids
> >to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event
ahead
> >of time. I
> >suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other
large
> >group because
> >it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute event.
> >
> >If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two
and
> >have
> >volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything
> >concrete you are half
> >way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown.
You
> >can often
> >reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full
> >refund if you
> >cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament and
> >then
> >cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still
> >several months
> >ahead.
> >
> >I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. So
> >is time, so grab
> >what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's
> >event and make
> >a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make
the
> >feast or serve
> >the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a
> >reviewing stand).
> >
> >Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful.
> >
> >Claire Shayhan
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 16:21:09 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:21:09 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
	<1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <003301c366a8$93bd4720$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Thank you very much for those numbers.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Quoting Michael Tucker <mtucker at airmail.net>:
>
> > One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire
> > in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand?
> > Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the
> > regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending
> > change?"
>
> Of course, one might ask why all the pelicans, knights, laurels, white
scarves,
> centurians, etc don't all attend the various circles.  We don't even have
all
> of any of these groups attend even if the circle is local.<G>
>
> True, the seneschals should have been informed by either the kingdom
seneschal
> or their regional and then, in turn, inform their own populace.  Evidently
this
> isn't the case with every group.
>
> >
> > *Most* of the groups in the kingdom don't have landed nobles to inform
> >
> > them. That doesn't make them the downtrodden minority, it makes them
> > the majority of groups.
> >
> > Speaking as a former officer of  the kingdom, I assure you that the
> > shires, cantons and colleges are given plenty of consideration at the
> > kingdom level. But, it has to be a two-way street. The shire's officers
> > have to care enough to attend meetings when they're called, bring news
> > back from those meetings and share it with their fellow officers and
> > populace.
>
> Again, were the all the seneschals in the kingdom required to be at Round
Table
> or send a representative?  If so, then there's no excuse.  If not, then it
> falls back to being informed by kingdom or regional level.
>
> >
> > > As a shire member, I can tell you
> > > that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups.
> > The
> > > baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind
> > of
> > > news to the shires, at least in my region.
> > >
> >
> > Is it our neighbor Meridies' problem to keep Ansteorra informed of
> > changes made by the BoD? No. It's Ansteorra's problem to stay informed,
> > all on her own.
>
> At least the BOD announces the changes they are contemplating (to a
certain
> extent) if it's going to affect the populace in general.  And perhaps the
Crown
> or the kingdom seneschal will have just such an announcement in a future
Black
> Star.  Hopefully that's the case as it seems that there is a fair amount
of
> resistance to such a change.
>
> >
> > It's not the barony's problem to inform you. It's *your* problem to
> > stay informed. Or, failing that, it's your up-line officers (regional
> > and kingdom) to see that you are informed of changes.
> >
> <snip>
>
> > I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you
> > don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.
> >
> > I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather
> >
> > have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than
> > have 3 bland "formula" events.
> >
> > The research was done years ago to determine that we needed fewer,
> > better, events. The Crown and Kingdom Seneschal suggested that groups
> > head in that direction. Very few listened. Modest limits were put in
> > place. Still, very few listened. We're about to see stronger limits put
> >
> > in place.
> >
> > I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do
> > something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal
> >
> > to impose those limits in the first place.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Michael Silverhands
>
> Has the problem been brought to the people?
>
> And just what is the problem?  I've been hearing for years that the
calendar is
> too crowded.  Everytime I hear that, I check the calendar and actually run
the
> numbers.  It makes me wonder just what certain people consider "crowded".
>
> For instance, if you were to look at the current 12 months (Aug '03 to
July '04)
> of the kindom calendar on line, you will find :
>
> There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events
per
> weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)
>
> If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
(Christmas,
> Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings
the
> number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
>
> The breakdown is :
>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
> This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
have 3
> or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
events
> scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
event
> or 2.
>
> Also something that people don't tend to mention when they say the
calendar is
> too crowded is that, in addition to the current group limitations, there
is
> also a regional limitation (no more than 1 per region per weekend) and a
> distance limitation (not sure where the mileage between events has to be,
but
> I'm sure HL Gwenneth Blackrose can tell us).  Yes, these limitations can
be
> waived, but it's not often that they are.
>
> So I guess my whole question is "What is the problem?".  It doesn't appear
that
> the current system is broken, so as the old saying goes "If it ain't
broke,
> don't fix it."  Improvements are one thing, but I don't see as whole these
new
> limitations will improve things appreciably.
>
> Ansgar
>
>
>
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From celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 16:33:23 2003
From: celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com (Mark Masters)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:33:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs
Message-ID: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>

Once a few years back at an event for the Barony of the Lonely Tower ( 
Omaha, Nebraska ).  I had seen a two piece chair they called a Viking 
Traveling Chair.  It came in two parts, the seat part would slide into a 
grove into the chair back part.  It would then lean back some so that one 
could sit at almost a recline position.  I am just trying to see if any one 
has any pics or blue prints on how to make them.  I have tried looking on 
the net & have not found what I am looking for.  So any help from any one 
would be greatly appreiciated.  Thank you one & all...

In Service to the Dream
Lord Morgan Lucktain
A & S Officer or Barony Bordermarch
Quartermaster of the Pyrate Shiphold Posiedons' Fury

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From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 16:36:39 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:36:39 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000601c366a1$f60079e0$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>;
	from arabella@elfsea.net on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 05:33:49PM -0500
References: <20030819151919.C26218@stardock.pug.net>
	<000601c366a1$f60079e0$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>
Message-ID: <20030819183639.A30079@stardock.pug.net>

Lisa Duke (arabella at elfsea.net) said something that sounded like:
> Be very careful what you say Master Pug.  Why should you dread going to an
> event because of "business being done"?

  Because of the old motto.

When you stop having fun, stop doing it.

  The Peers of the Realm do a lot more "business" than what is seen at
  the King's Round Table. There is more "business" to the game of the
  SCA than what the officers do. Just ask the Laurels about judging
  sometime.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "And I ain't in it for the power
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   And I ain't in it for my health
Dark Horde Moritu      |   I ain't in it for the glory of anything at all
pug at pug.net            |   And I sure ain't in it for the wealth" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 16:39:00 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:39:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Coastal] Vivking Chairs
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>;
	from celtic_chaos75@hotmail.com on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at
	06:33:23PM -0500
References: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030819183900.B30079@stardock.pug.net>

Mark Masters (celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com) said something that sounded like:
> Once a few years back at an event for the Barony of the Lonely Tower ( 
> Omaha, Nebraska ).  I had seen a two piece chair they called a Viking 
> Traveling Chair.  It came in two parts, the seat part would slide into a 
> grove into the chair back part.  It would then lean back some so that one 
> could sit at almost a recline position.  I am just trying to see if any one 
> has any pics or blue prints on how to make them.  I have tried looking on 
> the net & have not found what I am looking for.  So any help from any one 
> would be greatly appreiciated.  Thank you one & all...

http://www.currentmiddleages.org/tents/chair4stargazer.pdf

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "What about your friends?
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   They're Defective!
Dark Horde Moritu      |   All the parts are out of stock."
pug at pug.net            |   --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From Ldyinnes at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 16:49:59 2003
From: Ldyinnes at aol.com (Ldyinnes at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:49:59 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs
Message-ID: <16.3419b6a3.2c7411a7@aol.com>

Check out the Known World Handbook.

innes


From uther at lcc.net  Tue Aug 19 17:00:14 2003
From: uther at lcc.net (mike young)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:00:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
	<1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <01c901c366ae$091d1770$982222d1@theparents>


>
>>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
> This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
have 3
> or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
events
> scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
event
> or 2.
>
> Also something that people don't tend to mention when they say the
calendar is
> too crowded is that, in addition to the current group limitations, there
is
> also a regional limitation (no more than 1 per region per weekend) and a
> distance limitation (not sure where the mileage between events has to be,
but
> I'm sure HL Gwenneth Blackrose can tell us).  Yes, these limitations can
be
> waived, but it's not often that they are.


150 miles
Don't forget that 4 weekends a year are reserved for crown and coronation.

gwyneth

>
> So I guess my whole question is "What is the problem?".  It doesn't appear
that
> the current system is broken, so as the old saying goes "If it ain't
broke,
> don't fix it."  Improvements are one thing, but I don't see as whole these
new
> limitations will improve things appreciably.
>
> Ansgar
>
>
>
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>
>



From agillilan at swbell.net  Tue Aug 19 17:14:50 2003
From: agillilan at swbell.net (April Gillilan)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:14:50 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
In-Reply-To: <20030819151250.B26218@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <005501c366b0$12f63b30$6401a8c0@PORTEGE>

This is definitely true.  It doesn't matter what the event is, you can
recommend people who will be there for awards, whether they are from the
sponsoring group or not.

I asked the OP gurus in our shire, and from January 2002-now, 13 people in
out shire have received 16 awards in that time frame.  Only 4 awards were
given out at our group's event.

Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do not
recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.  Anytime
a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in award
recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It doesn't
matter that it's not "our" event.

Gilyan
Shire of Mooneschadowe



> YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor at aol.com) said something that sounded
> like:
> > it is also true that an award for a person can be given at an
> > event in an adjoining group or one that is across the Kingdom for that
> matter
> 
> That is definitely true. Apparently I received a King's Archer at
> Academy of the Bow but I was unable to present at the event. The award
> was read into Law at that event and I was given it later. The later
> happened to be Pennsic.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> --
> Phelim "Pug" Gervase

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From DonPieter at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 17:16:48 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:16:48 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Non-calender courts
Message-ID: <27.4665326e.2c7417f0@aol.com>

To tell the truth the fewer events per group thing doesn't bother me as much 
as some others BUT.... there is one thing that is. If non-calender events such 
as local yule revels can not give out awards that carry an AoA. Many baronys 
have local awards (atleast one) that carrys with it an AoA. Small local events 
are a great time to give out such awards because when you are at an event 
with mostly people from the local area it meens alot to the group. Giving local 
awards at large events where lots of people are out of towners isn't as 
special. So thats my opinion as if anyone wanted it.

Don Pieter Rausch


From DonPieter at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 17:18:37 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:18:37 EDT
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
Message-ID: <28.3c64a3db.2c74185d@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time, 
agillilan at swbell.net writes:

> 
> Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do not
> recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.  Anytime
> a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in award
> recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It doesn't
> matter that it's not "our" event.
> 
> Gilyan
> Shire of Mooneschadowe
> 

True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what about 
the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any event.
Pieter


From snorri at houston.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 17:32:58 2003
From: snorri at houston.rr.com (Snorri Hallsson)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:32:58 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
References: <17d.1f41e959.2c72ebb7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101c366b2$9b542260$c2fea8c0@steven>

Mistress Kat brought this up ...
> I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our
recent
>  meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per
year
> *including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event per
year.

Just out of curiosity, I know that each barony in Ansteorra has one
perpetual event date, a set weekend every year that a barony has reserved on
the calendar per Kingdom law.  My question is, why was this established?
What was the reasoning for creating PEDs for baronies but not shires,
cantons, etc. when this law was passed?  (Responders, act like I don't know
anything, ask my wife, it's real easy to do.)


Lord Snorri Hallsson



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 17:38:05 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:38:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <sf41df18.014@ag.tamu.edu>
Message-ID: <00a601c366b3$527feb40$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Please don't forget, Middleford is pretty close to the center of the
Kingdom.  We too are within 150 miles of a good number of groups.  And if
you expand that mileage just a little, say a 4 hour drive, my, my.

While some groups may be maxed out on what awards their populace can get,
others aren't.  Some groups even have population that rotate in and out on a
more or less regular base.  Examples of those groups are those near military
basese, like Middleford and Namron, and all those groups with colleges.
There's a bunch of these so I'm not going to even try to list them.

Groups such as yours and ours have there scheduling challenges.  Military
deployment, training exercises, Boy Scout events and Wicken Weekends just
give us opportunities to excell.  Thre are certain time of the year because
of my working as a civilian contractor on Fort Hood, I'm pretty much a write
off, like the month of August.

AS for being able to get dates on the calendar, well...have you heard of the
5Ps? Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance. : If one waits to within 4
months of when they want to do an event, yep, it might be a little tight.
Right now, we're just waiting for the calendar to progress a little further
so we can put in a request for War Chieftain 2005.

Gilli

Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman White" <gn-white at tamu.edu>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Greetings from Master Jin Liu Ch'ang,
>
> I normally do not post to the list, preferring to be a lurker, but I felt
the need to speak on this topic.
> Gilli said that event limits are a bad thing because:
> >Some groups don't have landed folks.
> I come from the Shire of the Shadowlands, one of the small groups that
have trouble getting event dates.
> We have no landed or even unlanded barons in our group.
> Our group is within 150 miles of Stargate and its cantons, Ravensfort,
Bryn Gwlad, and most other groups in the Southern and Coastal Regions.
> As a group, you do not want to have an event the week before or after
another close by group much less the same date so that cuts out most
weekends.
> When you combine that with the fact that the community in which we are
based, Bryan/College Station, has an enormous university (TAMU) that holds
its own events that basically wreck traffic for many weekends, especially in
the fall, we have experienced many problems getting dates for events.
> Part of our problem with scheduling events is that we dare not try to
schedule an event against an A&M football game, graduation, or other large
college event.
> But another problem is that our surrounding groups have felt the need to
hold 3 to 4 events per year.
> When there are approximately 10 groups nearby, combined with coronations
and such, this does not leave many free weekends for us to have events.
> Therefore, I am glad to hear that something is being done.
>
> As for Gilli's reasons that the limit is a bad thing:
> >1.    Reduces opportunities to get awards given to populace.
>
> Most of the people in my group have either gotten their awards at other
group's events or they got them from a visiting baron and baroness.
> This occurred so often in our history that it resulted in Baron Don Tivar
and Baroness Aethylean (I apologize if I misspelled their names) becoming
the first persons to receive a Comet for service to a group in which they
were not a resident.
> Myself, I received my Iris and Laurel at Ravensfort events because our
group was unable to get event dates during that period.
> Therefore, his second objection:
>
> >2.    Will increase court times. Instead of being able to have the awards
> >given at several events during the year it will now be at only one for
> >Shires and Cantons.
>
> Courts have been too long for years.
> The most objectionable reason for court length in my mind is the feeling
by some people that they need to do presentations in court.
> I feel that if you feel the need to do a presentation in court, you are
doing it for the wrong reasons.
> As for the ability to receive awards several times in the year, be happy
to have an event to get them once.
> I also do not believe that holding only one event a year will hurt most
people as far as getting awards as very few deserve more than one a year.
> As for his third objection:
>
> >3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several
a
> >year now.  And most groups don't do them.
>
> Our last few events have had less than maybe a dozen people attend from
outside the group because other groups were having bigger events.  In one
case, we thought we had a chance to hold a well attended event but the
Kingdom calendar changed and it resulted in Elfsea having an event opposite
ours.
>
> I have nothing to say about his fourth and fifth objections, except been
there, gone through it for years.
> >4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third
for
> >Baronies.
> >5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.
>
> As for his last statement:
> >I hate to say it, but the reason the Kingdom calendar is too full is
because
> >the Kingdom is too big.  Now there is politically incorrect thought.
>
> This may be true, but if you look at the calendars for other Kingdoms, you
will find that very few of them have groups holding 3 and 4 events a year.
>
> Gilli's last statement:
> >I will email the Crown tomorrow.  It's too late tonight to do so
> >effectively.  But item one above really bothers me.
>
> Discussion on decisions such as this are always welcome but I remember
Ulsted and Cateau when they were members of the Shire of the Shadowlands so
I know they remember what it is like to be unable to get dates.
>
> It must be nice to live where there are fewer surrounding groups and you
can get event dates.
>
> Jin Liu Ch'ang
> m.k.a. Norman White
> gn-white at tamu.edu
>
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 17:43:38 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:43:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
References: <17d.1f41e959.2c72ebb7@aol.com>
	<001101c366b2$9b542260$c2fea8c0@steven>
Message-ID: <00b201c366b4$19ce4200$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

I think that is a wonderful question.

In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
only two?

Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?

If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all three) that
would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Snorri Hallsson" <snorri at houston.rr.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question


> Mistress Kat brought this up ...
> > I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our
> recent
> >  meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per
> year
> > *including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event
per
> year.
>
> Just out of curiosity, I know that each barony in Ansteorra has one
> perpetual event date, a set weekend every year that a barony has reserved
on
> the calendar per Kingdom law.  My question is, why was this established?
> What was the reasoning for creating PEDs for baronies but not shires,
> cantons, etc. when this law was passed?  (Responders, act like I don't
know
> anything, ask my wife, it's real easy to do.)
>
>
> Lord Snorri Hallsson
>
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> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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From lymadelina at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 15:51:21 2003
From: lymadelina at earthlink.net (Madelina de Lindesay)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:51:21 -0500 (GMT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Coastal] Vivking Chairs
Message-ID: <1025712.1061340674426.JavaMail.nobody@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Uddgar once told me these chairs are an invention of the 20th century.  Does anyone have documentation?

Madelina


From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 18:02:20 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:02:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually Viking Chairs
In-Reply-To: <200308200045.h7K0jRa09598@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEIEGEDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Lord Morgan Lucktain asked:
>...I had seen a two piece chair they
>called a Viking Traveling Chair.  It
>came in two parts, the seat part would
>slide into a grove into the chair back
>part.  It would then lean back some so
>that one could sit at almost a recline
>position.  I am just trying to see if any
>one has any pics or blue prints on how
>to make them.  I have tried looking on
>the net & have not found what I am looking
>for.  So any help from any one
>would be greatly appreiciated.

Firstly, these are not Viking chairs by any stretch of the imagination.  How
the two board, non-period camp chairs got to be called "Viking chairs"
involves the general evolution of "folk understandings" in the SCA.

To locate the two-board, modern camp chairs, try searching for "stargarzer
chair".  There are online plans for this not medieval chair at:

http://www.currentmiddleages.org/tents/chair4stargazer.pdf

HOWEVER... if you'd like an actual Viking chair, I can help you with that,
too.  Check out my article on woodworking in the Viking Age
(http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/wood.htm) in the "Furniture" section.  Then
also consult the Bibliography, which has one section devoted to
"Reconstructions, Plans and How To Articles".  There's one chair from Lund,
Sweden (ca. 1000-1050) that is almost identical to a chair I've seen offered
commercially at various places such as Walmart from time to time.

::GUNNVOR::







From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 18:06:37 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:06:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually A Viking Chair
In-Reply-To: <200308200045.h7K0jRa09598@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEMEGEDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Lord Morgan Lucktain asked:
>...I had seen a two piece chair they
>called a Viking Traveling Chair.  It
>came in two parts, the seat part would
>slide into a grove into the chair back
>part.  It would then lean back some so
>that one could sit at almost a recline
>position.  I am just trying to see if any
>one has any pics or blue prints on how
>to make them.  I have tried looking on
>the net & have not found what I am looking
>for.  So any help from any one
>would be greatly appreiciated.

Firstly, these are not Viking chairs by any stretch of the imagination.  How
the two board, non-period camp chairs got to be called "Viking chairs"
involves the general evolution of "folk understandings" in the SCA.

To locate the two-board, modern camp chairs, try searching for "stargarzer
chair".  There are online plans for this not medieval chair at:

http://www.currentmiddleages.org/tents/chair4stargazer.pdf
http://cls.coe.utk.edu/mcnutt/SCA/portfolio/woodworking/bogchair/bogchairpla
ns.htm

And though I'm sure no one would have guessed this, there are a series of
messages about this type of chair in Stefan's Florilegium at
http://www.florilegium.org/files/HOME/chairs-msg.html as well ;-)

HOWEVER... if you'd like an actual Viking chair, I can help you with that,
too.  Check out my article on woodworking in the Viking Age
(http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/wood.htm) in the "Furniture" section.  Then
also consult the Bibliography, which has one section devoted to
"Reconstructions, Plans and How To Articles".  There's one chair from Lund,
Sweden (ca. 1000-1050) that is almost identical to a chair I've seen offered
commercially at various places such as Walmart from time to time.

::GUNNVOR::






From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 19:14:23 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:14:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030819211420.0136e9d8@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 07:32 PM 8/19/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Mistress Kat brought this up ...
>> I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our
>recent
>>  meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per
>year
>> *including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event per
>year.
>
>Just out of curiosity, I know that each barony in Ansteorra has one
>perpetual event date, a set weekend every year that a barony has reserved on
>the calendar per Kingdom law.  My question is, why was this established?
>What was the reasoning for creating PEDs for baronies but not shires,
>cantons, etc. when this law was passed?  (Responders, act like I don't know
>anything, ask my wife, it's real easy to do.)


I wasn't in on the decision-making process, but I *think* the reasoning
went like this: 

Some groups have "traditional" events (such as Steppes Warlord, Candlemas
in Bryn Gwlad or Namron Protectorate.) Locking those dates into the kingdom
calendar means, on the one hand, that the group doesn't have to fight for
that weekend every year and on the other hand, groups planning events near
that time will already know that, for example, Namron Protectorate is on
Columbus Day weekend, so they can plan around it.

(Bear in mind that when this was done, the number of groups in Ansteorra
was significantly smaller than it is now.)

	-Tivar Moondragon



From cchipman at nomadics.com  Tue Aug 19 20:35:13 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:35:13 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
	<1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <00f601c366cc$117c82c0$19c11f43@nomadics.com>

Have you added in the following events:

Gulf Wars
Pennsic
Estrella
Lillies
Diamond Wars

While not everyone in the kingdom goes to those events, they do factor into
the calendar.  Depending on how you count those (Pennsic 2, GW 2, Lillies 2,
Estrella 1, and Diamond Wars 1) thats another 10 events.

Jean Paul (doing recon behind enemy lines :) )

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


-- snip --
> There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events
per
> weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)
>
> If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
(Christmas,
> Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings
the
> number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
>
> The breakdown is :
>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
> This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
have 3
> or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
events
> scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
event
> or 2.
>
-- snip -- 
> Ansgar
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------
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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Tue Aug 19 20:37:18 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:37:18 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
References: <28.3c64a3db.2c74185d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <010401c366cc$5bd01170$19c11f43@nomadics.com>

Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
(Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either Comets,
Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.

Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)


> In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time,
> agillilan at swbell.net writes:
>
> >
> > Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do
not
> > recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.
Anytime
> > a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in
award
> > recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It
doesn't
> > matter that it's not "our" event.
> >
> > Gilyan
> > Shire of Mooneschadowe
> >
>
> True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what
about
> the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any
event.
> Pieter
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 19:42:01 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:42:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net><1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
	<00f601c366cc$117c82c0$19c11f43@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c366c4$a4d8ca40$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Diamond Wars???

Where and when is that??

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Chipman" <cchipman at nomadics.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Have you added in the following events:
>
> Gulf Wars
> Pennsic
> Estrella
> Lillies
> Diamond Wars
>
> While not everyone in the kingdom goes to those events, they do factor
into
> the calendar.  Depending on how you count those (Pennsic 2, GW 2, Lillies
2,
> Estrella 1, and Diamond Wars 1) thats another 10 events.
>
> Jean Paul (doing recon behind enemy lines :) )
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> -- snip --
> > There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events
> per
> > weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)
> >
> > If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
> (Christmas,
> > Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings
> the
> > number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
> >
> > The breakdown is :
> >
> > 25 weekends with only 1 event
> > 14 weekends with 2 events
> > 4 weekends with 3 events
> > 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
> >
> > This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
> have 3
> > or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
> events
> > scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
> event
> > or 2.
> >
> -- snip --
> > Ansgar
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------
> > This mail sent through IMP: mcgee1.sfasu.edu
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ansteorra mailing list
> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>
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From PKieferjr at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 19:42:25 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:42:25 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 5:33:15 PM Central Daylight Time, 
mtucker at airmail.net writes:
How did you get from that, to "seriously considering reviving the 
"principality" dead horse"? True, each piece of a divided kingdom would 
have fewer events on its calendar; we have somewhat that situation 
already, with the kingdom calendar deputy charged to prevent 
conflicting events within each region. But will that solve the 
over-riding problem (as restated above)? I don't think so. Limiting 
events by region hasn't helped to unclutter the calendar or improve the 
quality of our events, so how would dividing the kingdom help?

Yours,
Michael Silverhands
I'm basically looking at this as "we've become overwhelmed that we can't do 
things efficiently or effectively within the current structure without coming 
up short somewhere", so we add another layer of sorts.  One would have to 
acknowledge that someone can't be everywhere they'd like to be (i.e., Crown, et. 
al.), so another layer, in the form of a coronet principality, delegated certain 
duties when the monarchy cannot be there in person.  Sort of like a 
"stand-in" (although a noble is supposed to do this as well).

Take a look at the number of groups overall. Unless I'm in error, that's 41 
total.  Is this an unusually high number for any kingdom?  Did other kingdoms 
run into this "overpopulation" problem?  It reminds me a lot of the fact that 
our planet is home to 6 billion people, and that affects practically 
everything.  This appears to be one of those effects:  A metric buttload of SCA'ers (a 
Good Thing (TM), but a logistical nightmare).  How many kingdoms are there now? 
 I think I've lost track, but you get the idea.  The Kingdom itself may have 
grown too big to be handled in a official monarchial capacity as one undivided 
unit.

41 groups, 39 available weekends.  Still sounds like we've grown rather big.  
May be time to beat that dead horse again.

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 19:45:02 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:45:02 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
References: <28.3c64a3db.2c74185d@aol.com>
	<010401c366cc$5bd01170$19c11f43@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <004401c366c5$0f46e240$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Well, once that thing is read into law, it's like a heat seeking missile.
That's a good thing.  Those precious scribes put in far too much work on
those scroll to let them go to waste.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Chipman" <cchipman at nomadics.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)


> Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
> (Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either
Comets,
> Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.
>
> Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
>
>
> > In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time,
> > agillilan at swbell.net writes:
> >
> > >
> > > Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you
do
> not
> > > recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.
> Anytime
> > > a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in
> award
> > > recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It
> doesn't
> > > matter that it's not "our" event.
> > >
> > > Gilyan
> > > Shire of Mooneschadowe
> > >
> >
> > True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what
> about
> > the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any
> event.
> > Pieter
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ansteorra mailing list
> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:02:23 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:02:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c366c7$7c1853c0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

>From where I stand; though dark, dank and there seems to be a foul smell in
the air (Ooops, sorry), I think things are going fine.  Which means if it
ain't broke, don't fix it.  However, should we have an area or region that
has become all they can be as that area or region, and they and the
resulting split would both meet Kingdom status, I'd say COOL.  However,
there's a bunch of IF in there.

Thing is, folks WANT to be ANSTEORRAN.  Go figure.  :)

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <PKieferjr at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> In a message dated 8/19/2003 5:33:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
> mtucker at airmail.net writes:
> How did you get from that, to "seriously considering reviving the
> "principality" dead horse"? True, each piece of a divided kingdom would
> have fewer events on its calendar; we have somewhat that situation
> already, with the kingdom calendar deputy charged to prevent
> conflicting events within each region. But will that solve the
> over-riding problem (as restated above)? I don't think so. Limiting
> events by region hasn't helped to unclutter the calendar or improve the
> quality of our events, so how would dividing the kingdom help?
>
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands
> I'm basically looking at this as "we've become overwhelmed that we can't
do
> things efficiently or effectively within the current structure without
coming
> up short somewhere", so we add another layer of sorts.  One would have to
> acknowledge that someone can't be everywhere they'd like to be (i.e.,
Crown, et.
> al.), so another layer, in the form of a coronet principality, delegated
certain
> duties when the monarchy cannot be there in person.  Sort of like a
> "stand-in" (although a noble is supposed to do this as well).
>
> Take a look at the number of groups overall. Unless I'm in error, that's
41
> total.  Is this an unusually high number for any kingdom?  Did other
kingdoms
> run into this "overpopulation" problem?  It reminds me a lot of the fact
that
> our planet is home to 6 billion people, and that affects practically
> everything.  This appears to be one of those effects:  A metric buttload
of SCA'ers (a
> Good Thing (TM), but a logistical nightmare).  How many kingdoms are there
now?
>  I think I've lost track, but you get the idea.  The Kingdom itself may
have
> grown too big to be handled in a official monarchial capacity as one
undivided
> unit.
>
> 41 groups, 39 available weekends.  Still sounds like we've grown rather
big.
> May be time to beat that dead horse again.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From ferret at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:16:38 2003
From: ferret at hot.rr.com (Paul DeLisle)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:16:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <01c901c366ae$091d1770$982222d1@theparents>
Message-ID: <CCEDJGIDBGOMKABAAKMBAEMDECAA.ferret@hot.rr.com>

> > 25 weekends with only 1 event
> > 14 weekends with 2 events
> > 4 weekends with 3 events
> > 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.

...looking up at the banners, blowing in the breeze; 
and remembering what we're here for:

...PRICELESS...

In Service, I remain
Alden Pharamond
Tempio, Ansteorra




From jerryn at houston.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:18:52 2003
From: jerryn at houston.rr.com (Gerald Norris)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:18:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <200308200045.h7K0jRa09598@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <IOEKLKKIAMOLDFPOJHJPAEFKCGAA.jerryn@houston.rr.com>

A little while ago, Gilli said something like:

> I think that is a wonderful question.
>
> In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
> only two?
>
> Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?
>
> If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all
> three) that
> would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
>
> Gilli

Alas, Gilli, you have discovered the secret plot of all baronies, and so the
tickling hamsters must be summoned.

"Bring out the Hamsters!"

*In the background an odd strain of music reminiscent of "Thus Spake
Zarathustra" but probably a little tinnier can be heard as a low bass thud
that is more tactile than audible and a rumble that reminds you of the day
the whole class had the bean salad and what a noise THAT was but it's mixed
with the grinding of stone and finally creaks to a stop and the silence is
thick enough to swim through and then you hear -
the heart-sickening double-thud -
and the eerie deep chittering -
as two large bundles of fur start lolloping toward you*

In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
HL Gerald of Leesville
Ravenskald of Ravensfort
A bard of Stargate
Kingdom Ansteorra



From DonPieter at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 20:30:35 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:30:35 EDT
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
Message-ID: <65.1772554f.2c74455b@aol.com>

Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry an AoA did I not?  The 
comet,thistle and AoA are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local awards that carry 
AoA's. ie The Firebrand of Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
Pieter


In a message dated 8/19/2003 9:39:52 PM Central Standard Time, 
cchipman at nomadics.com writes:

> Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
> (Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either Comets,
> Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.
> 
> Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
> 
> 
> >In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time,
> >agillilan at swbell.net writes:
> >
> >>
> >>Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do
> not
> >>recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.
> Anytime
> >>a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in
> award
> >>recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It
> doesn't
> >>matter that it's not "our" event.
> >>
> >>Gilyan
> >>Shire of Mooneschadowe
> >>
> >
> >True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what
> about
> >the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any
> event.
> >Pieter
> >_______________________________________________



From ferret at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:37:19 2003
From: ferret at hot.rr.com (Paul DeLisle)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:37:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <IOEKLKKIAMOLDFPOJHJPAEFKCGAA.jerryn@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CCEDJGIDBGOMKABAAKMBMEMEECAA.ferret@hot.rr.com>

> > If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all
> > three) that
> > would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
> > Gilli
>
> Alas, Gilli, you have discovered the secret plot of all baronies,
> and so the tickling hamsters must be summoned.
> "Bring out the Hamsters!"
>
> *In the background an odd strain of music reminiscent of "Thus Spake
> Zarathustra" but probably a little tinnier can be heard as a low bass thud
> that is more tactile than audible and a rumble that reminds you of the day
> the whole class had the bean salad and what a noise THAT was but
> it's mixed
> with the grinding of stone and finally creaks to a stop and the silence is
> thick enough to swim through and then you hear -
> the heart-sickening double-thud -
> and the eerie deep chittering -
> as two large bundles of fur start lolloping toward you*
>
> In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
> HL Gerald of Leesville
> Ravenskald of Ravensfort
> A bard of Stargate
> Kingdom Ansteorra

...*not* normally a "Me, too" kinda guy...but...
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You rock!
(B.T.W...    ME, TOO!)

In Service, I remain
Alden Pharamond
Tempio, Ansteorra

(WELL DONE, m'Lord!)




From philipwhite at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 20:38:14 2003
From: philipwhite at hotmail.com (Craig Shupee')
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:38:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Surprise Court in Barn
Message-ID: <20030819223814.A1484@stardock.pug.net>

Greetings Ansteorrans and Dancers!

As enthusiastic people from the Known World were arranging the floor at 
Pennsic for dance ? clearing away tables and sweeping away debris ? one 
Ansteorran was preparing to organize dance.  Meanwhile ? those Ansteorrans 
at Pennsic where gathering en masse.  Rumors had already been spread that 
the Ansteorran Crown was going to make a confident display of Royalty by 
making a special presentation to a member of their populous.

The Royal Progress began at the Ansteorran camp.  Preceded by Their heralds 
bearing the proud banners of the Kingdom, His Majesty Ulsted the Unsteady 
and Her Majesty Cateau D?Ardennes led their subjects forth through the lands 
of Pennsic in full regalia.  Each member of their populous clothed in some 
of their best court garb.  Every witness of this regal Progress bowed low in 
respect for this potent display of community and society.

As the mass of Ansteorrans appeared at the barn where dance was about to 
commence, they were able to surprise Lady Lowrie Leulyn as she was 
discussing which dances to prepare for with the musicians.  Startled by the 
gathering of Ansteorrans lead by the Crown, I think that Lowrie was slightly 
dumbstruck.  Suddenly, Court had been opened and the Crown was announcing 
their respect for Lowrie.  Her Majesty Cateau eloquently addressed her 
kingdom and the lurking dancers of Lowrie?s deeds.  Swiftly, the Crown had 
appeared and recognized Lady Lowrie with a Sable Thistle in the Field of 
Dance.  This all happening while surrounded by her peers and friends of the 
Known World.

It was certainly a magical and thrilling way to begin the evening dancing.  
This show of respect and commitment is greatly appreciated because the Crown 
and the Kingdom went to special efforts so that this could happen.

I personally extend my gratitude to the Crown and the Kingdom ? for Their 
support of a dancer and of the dance community.

Your Servant to Command,
Philip White

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From chiang at odsy.net  Tue Aug 19 20:38:38 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:38:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs
References: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401c366cc$8b6b9170$4750cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

I have one of those type chairs. Won it at Passe deArms in Adlersruhe a few
years ago. They are pretty neat chairs. My young daughter promptly claimed
it and calls it her clothes pin chair.
Come to Gothic Wars on Labor Day weekend and I will show you mine <G>
HE Chiang, who never passes up a chance to plug Gothic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Masters" <celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>; <Bordermarch at ansteorra.org>;
<coastal at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 6:33 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs


> Once a few years back at an event for the Barony of the Lonely Tower (
> Omaha, Nebraska ).  I had seen a two piece chair they called a Viking
> Traveling Chair.  It came in two parts, the seat part would slide into a
> grove into the chair back part.  It would then lean back some so that one
> could sit at almost a recline position.  I am just trying to see if any
one
> has any pics or blue prints on how to make them.  I have tried looking on
> the net & have not found what I am looking for.  So any help from any one
> would be greatly appreiciated.  Thank you one & all...
>
> In Service to the Dream
> Lord Morgan Lucktain
> A & S Officer or Barony Bordermarch
> Quartermaster of the Pyrate Shiphold Posiedons' Fury





From lyonsden19 at att.net  Tue Aug 19 22:41:14 2003
From: lyonsden19 at att.net (William E. Lyon)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:41:14 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <00f601c366cc$117c82c0$19c11f43@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <KPEIIPINJLHKDOMBKHBOGEHACCAA.lyonsden19@att.net>


should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?

Uilleam, who just usually lurks
 
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From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Carl Chipman
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:35 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


Have you added in the following events:

Gulf Wars
Pennsic
Estrella
Lillies
Diamond Wars

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From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:52:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Wars RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <KPEIIPINJLHKDOMBKHBOGEHACCAA.lyonsden19@att.net>
Message-ID: <20030820035201.54929.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>



"William E. Lyon" <lyonsden19 at att.net> wrote: 

>should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?

>Uilleam, who just usually lurks


>Have you added in the following events:

>Gulf Wars

We are principals in this war...so we better have it on our calander

>Pennsic

This is like the SCA World Wide convention...it behooves  us to have as large as presence there as possible...


>Estrella

We have a treaty with Calontir to fight with them at this war...so they will fight with us at Gulf War...

>Lillies


Haven't made it to this one...but I've heard that it is a really fun war...

>Diamond Wars

A war that is fun....and near by (in Arkansas)

Lorraine Deerslayer




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From maaggie3 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 19 20:52:29 2003
From: maaggie3 at comcast.net (Lisa A. May)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:52:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEECEGADEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>
Message-ID: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>

Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!

While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out that
all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of scheduled
events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming events
are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the next
twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .

Margaret

****************************************
Countess Margaret ny Connor
Barony of the Steppes
Kingdom of Ansteorra
****************************************

"And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink as
friends."  W. Shakespeare.

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income

<snip>

My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the sky
is falling in!"

<much, much snippage>

::GUNNVOR::

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From lyonsden19 at att.net  Tue Aug 19 22:56:23 2003
From: lyonsden19 at att.net (William E. Lyon)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:56:23 -0700
Subject: Wars RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030820035201.54929.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KPEIIPINJLHKDOMBKHBOIEHBCCAA.lyonsden19@att.net>

yes on the calendar, but not considered as congestion

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[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of L T
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:52 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Wars RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?




"William E. Lyon" <lyonsden19 at att.net> wrote:

>should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?

>Uilleam, who just usually lurks


>Have you added in the following events:

>Gulf Wars

We are principals in this war...so we better have it on our calander

>Pennsic

This is like the SCA World Wide convention...it behooves  us to have as
large as presence there as possible...


>Estrella

We have a treaty with Calontir to fight with them at this war...so they will
fight with us at Gulf War...

>Lillies


Haven't made it to this one...but I've heard that it is a really fun war...

>Diamond Wars

A war that is fun....and near by (in Arkansas)

Lorraine Deerslayer




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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 20:59:03 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:59:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually Viking Chairs
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEIEGEDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>
Message-ID: <20030820035903.34504.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>



"C. L. Ward" <gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com> wrote:
>Firstly, these are not Viking chairs by any stretch of the imagination. How
>the two board, non-period camp chairs got to be called "Viking chairs"
>involves the general evolution of "folk understandings" in the SCA.

Another name for them is "African Birthing Chairs"

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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Tue Aug 19 22:02:27 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:02:27 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
References: <65.1772554f.2c74455b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <020801c366d8$41806b10$19c11f43@nomadics.com>

Oops, sorry about misunderstanding.  I've always lived in a shire, so was
not thinking of those awards and circumstances.  However, the Baronies still
will have TWO events to give the award out at...

Jean Paul



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To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>; <cchipman at nomadics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)


> Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry an AoA did I not?  The
> comet,thistle and AoA are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local awards
that carry
> AoA's. ie The Firebrand of Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
> Pieter
>
>
> In a message dated 8/19/2003 9:39:52 PM Central Standard Time,
> cchipman at nomadics.com writes:
>
> > Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
> > (Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either
Comets,
> > Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.
> >
> > Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)
> >



From IagoAH at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 21:09:59 2003
From: IagoAH at aol.com (IagoAH at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:09:59 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <14f.22bef79f.2c744e97@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/03 9:42:29 PM Central Daylight Time, gilli at hot.rr.com 
writes:


> Diamond Wars???
> 
> Where and when is that??
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.

September or October, I think, in Arkansas.

Iago


From edrei at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 21:10:29 2003
From: edrei at earthlink.net (David  Backlin)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:10:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] 10 DAYS!!
Message-ID: <028301c366d1$018b24c0$2b50be3f@gateway>

Only 10 more days until the Shire of Smythkepe presents Mid Summer Knight's
Dream XI: the War of the Roses.

We've got a lot planned and hopefully something for everyone:


A&S Competitions

For beginners, or those create works only for fun, we offer the Red Rose
Category. Documentation welcome, but not necessary. Entries will be
available for populace voting from 11am to 5pm on Saturday.

Have you made a period garment or armor? Do you have a well researched game
or other handmade creation? Do you have the explanations and documentation
to demonstrate your craft to others? For you, we offer the White Rose
Category. Entries will reviewed by experienced judges who can give your
effort its due. Entries need to be at the judging table by 11:30.

Children can have their talents displayed too, by showing their artwork or
things made in your very own Rosebud Category! This is not a competition and
all childrens entries will receive a participation token.


Classes:
We have a wide variety of classes being held from Waterbearing 101,
Experimenting with Period Pigment Paints, Feastocrating 101, an introduction
to the Bardic Arts (by Gleann Abhann's Principality Bard Lady Alina nic
Bhaird !!)
and much more (including COGA approved classes).

Fighting activities include:
Heavy Fighting:
Midnight Boffer Dagger Duel
Tourney of Arms (featuring The Wheel of Death)
Loot Tourney
Battle of the Roses -
Woodland Battle, Bridge Battle, much more, including a Fledgling Tourney
(authorized 18 months or less)

Light Fighting:
Duelist tourney (an ongoing tourney for the weekend)
Burning deck tourney
Torchlight fights
Favor Tourney. Entrants must bear a favor to participate)
and so much more.

There will also be a Children's Boffer Dagger tourney (details to be
announced on site), as well as Youth Combat.

If nothing else, come shop the merchants and enjoy our feast ;)

Our MSKD Website has lots more information (including the Feast Menu).

http://www.smythkeeptavern.org/


We hope to see everyone there!!!



Ld Edrei the Quiet (mka David Backlin)
Merchant-crat  Mid Summer Knight's Dream XI
August 29-Sept 1 2003
Shire of Smythkepe





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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 21:12:04 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030819183639.A30079@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <20030820041204.57932.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>

I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something else...
 
A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if you have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> wrote:
Lisa Duke (arabella at elfsea.net) said something that sounded like:
> Be very careful what you say Master Pug. Why should you dread going to an
> event because of "business being done"?

Because of the old motto.

When you stop having fun, stop doing it.

The Peers of the Realm do a lot more "business" than what is seen at
the King's Round Table. There is more "business" to the game of the
SCA than what the officers do. Just ask the Laurels about judging
sometime.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase | "And I ain't in it for the power
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra | And I ain't in it for my health
Dark Horde Moritu | I ain't in it for the glory of anything at all
pug at pug.net | And I sure ain't in it for the wealth" --Meatloaf
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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 21:13:35 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:13:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <14f.22bef79f.2c744e97@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030820041335.60925.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com>

Unfortunately it is always the same weekend as Raven's Fort's Defender event!!!
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

IagoAH at aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/03 9:42:29 PM Central Daylight Time, gilli at hot.rr.com 
writes:


> Diamond Wars???
> 
> Where and when is that??
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.

September or October, I think, in Arkansas.

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From PKieferjr at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 21:24:52 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:24:52 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <103.348660e2.2c745214@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 10:42:26 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lyonsden19 at att.net writes:
should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?
Considering the amount of attendence by Ansteorrans, that would be a big 
hearty "YES".

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 19 22:28:50 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:28:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1061357330.3f430712a2e59@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Yes, those numbers were for the twelve months starting in the current month, 
which is why I used the term

Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:

> Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
> 
> While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
> that
> all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
> scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
> scheduled
> events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
> events
> are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
> next
> twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
> 
> Margaret
> 
> ****************************************
> Countess Margaret ny Connor
> Barony of the Steppes
> Kingdom of Ansteorra
> ****************************************
> 
> "And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink
> as
> friends."  W. Shakespeare.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
> 
> <snip>
> 
> My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the
> sky
> is falling in!"
> 
> <much, much snippage>
> 
> ::GUNNVOR::
> 
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From DonnelShaw at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 22:39:01 2003
From: DonnelShaw at aol.com (DonnelShaw at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:39:01 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually Viking Chairs
Message-ID: <135.2400e773.2c746375@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 11:01:24 PM Central Standard Time, 
ldeerslayer at yahoo.com writes:

> Another name for them is "African Birthing Chairs"
> 
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
> 
> 

Now that is a scary idea. Keeping balanced and giving birth at the same time. 


From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 22:39:57 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:39:57 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events
In-Reply-To: <200308200402.h7K42ua15485@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEMEGHDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

> Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry
> an AoA did I not?  The  comet,thistle and AoA
> are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local
> awards that carry AoA's. ie The Firebrand of
>Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
> Pieter

Pieter, not all local awards carry AoAs.  The Bjornsborg Firebrands, at
least when they started, did not, although the Ursae Majoris and later the
Ursae Australis did. A barony can have as many (or as few) nonarmigerous
awards as they want.

And, as for what you do about local awards you'd like to give at these
non-calendar events, is the Crown can read 'em into law at any Crown court -
for which one does not have to have the whole kingdom present.  I'd think
that the Crown could summon a few witnesses into Their camp a little ahead
of Group X's noncalendar event, open Their Court, read the scrolls into law,
Close Court, and send the awards via messenger (or FedEx, etc.) to Group X
to be duly presented with much publich hoorah and rejoicing at the
non-calendar event.

But, honest-to-goshen, "having an event so we can give out awards" has gotta
be the worst reason for holding an event I have ever heard in my life.  The
awards can't be all we're here for... surely some folks have got to be doing
cool stuff in the SCA because they think it's neat, or fun, etc.  Awards are
the cherry set atop the ice cream and hot fudge on the sundae... nice, but
not, after all, what you paid $3 for at the Dairy Queen.

On a related but slightly tangent topic, one thing that just kind of took me
by surprise the other day was hearing that some people got offended if they
didn't get their awards in evening court because they felt that somehow they
had been given less of an honor.  By my lights, an award given to me doesn't
mean that I have had an Honor!! bestowed upon me by the Crown (though that
is part of it).  Rather, the Big Deal of an award is that friends,
colleages, and other people doing some of the same stuff I do in the SCA
thought I was doing something neat enough for recognition.  The Crown may or
may not really know every person to whom They grant an award... but the
Crown does know that the person being given the award has in some way
impressed the people who recommended the recipient for that award.

I personally enjoy it when the Crown convenes court on the listfield, or at
the archery range, or on the dancefloor, and grants an award to a person
witnessed by the members of that person's SCA community... We may each live
in a given barony or shire or canton, but each of has one or more
"communities" with whom we play, be it chivalric combat, A&S, archery,
equestrian, rapier, the kitchen crew, etc. and I feel it is very special to
get an award in some of these "communities" with the folks we play with in
these venues witnessing, at least or even more special than it is to get one
in one's local SCA group's big evening court.

Over last weekend, I heard the opinion voiced that compared to some other
kingdoms, Ansteorra gives out "too many" awards and that consequently
they're not as highly valued here as they might be elsewhere.  That was a
very different belief than one I'd ever encountered, but it was one that
made me think.  I do have to giggle when I envision the chaos and riot that
would ensue if it were suddenly announced that half of the awards currently
given in Ansteorra were to be permanently retired and that the remaining
ones would be given out half as often than before...  but certainly it would
make courts shorter, and you wouldn't have to worry about no awards being
given at noncalendar events, lol!

::GUNNVOR::

Insomnia.  *sigh* It leads to waxing elephants.




From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 19 22:44:56 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:44:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1061358296.3f430ad8a1c96@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Apologies for that last post.

Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current month, 
which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>

As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella, Pennsic, etc 
as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals (like 
Gulf War)

For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :

(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know there were 
some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers down.  The 
Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)

83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events per 
weekend.
If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events over 43 
weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.

Breakdown by number of events per weekend :

5 weekends - no events
19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
21 weekends - 2 events
6 weekends - 3 events
1 weekend - 4 events

I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the Blackstars I 
have readily available, if needed<G>

We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.

Ansgar
(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)


Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:

> Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
> 
> While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
> that
> all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
> scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
> scheduled
> events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
> events
> are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
> next
> twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
> 
> Margaret
> 
> ****************************************
> Countess Margaret ny Connor
> Barony of the Steppes
> Kingdom of Ansteorra
> ****************************************
> 
> "And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink
> as
> friends."  W. Shakespeare.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
> 
> <snip>
> 
> My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the
> sky
> is falling in!"
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From Reihla at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 23:15:41 2003
From: Reihla at aol.com (Reihla at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:15:41 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
Message-ID: <104.34a2d56d.2c746c0d@aol.com>

> why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
> only two?
> Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?

I have to say that, for the most part, the idea of a barony hosting a local 
event to raise money is a myth.  I don't know about other groups, but 
Wiesenfeuer typically breaks even or makes a few hundred on local events.  Our coffers 
are healthy, yes, but that's really mostly from *years* of making a few 
hundred dollars on one event per year.  Our events are usually very well attended 
(we average @250-300 at baronial and @150 for our Yule event).  Our baronial 
event usually makes just enough to cover our expenses, plus pay for site (which 
charges us per person) and any consumables that are needed for the event.  When 
we found ourselves actually making money on the event we spent more money to 
make things more comfortable for folks (renting the pool, investing in misting 
systems, etc.).  Our December event makes a little money, but we find it is 
better to drop the site fee because it allows more people to attend.    

That's not to say that I think making money is a bad thing.  We've got 
ongoing expenses like meeting space, upkeep on storage, upgrading and repairing 
baronial property, new regalia, prizes, etc. that cost.  Nice that we can raise a 
little money to cover those things.

I've played in both a moderately sized barony and a small shire (well, it was 
small when *I* was there).  My experience leads me to believe that baronies 
were given one more event per year because of their larger populaces (one more 
court to allow recognition for the extra people).  I wasn't there when the 
decision was made, though, so that's just a guess.  Besides, baronies worked hard 
to attain that status.  I don't think I'd be alone to suggest that perhaps 
they might have earned a few extras for their effort (nobles to represent them 
to the Crown, an extra date on the calendar, etc.).  If shires want the perks 
they can do the work it takes to grow and petition for elevation in status.

It's worth noting that Wiesenfeuer already dropped it's third event last year 
for a couple of reasons:  one, we wanted to bid for Kingdom events and 
couldn't seem to scrape up the enthusiasm or the staff and, two, we were running 
into burn-out from our core working members and, three, we had a new canton that 
wanted to sponsor an event and we preferred to focus our energies on helping 
them.    

Kat  >^.,.^<




From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 23:39:52 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:39:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>
References: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F4317B8.2080700@earthlink.net>

PKieferjr at aol.com wrote:

> Take a look at the number of groups overall. Unless I'm in error, that's 41 
> total.  Is this an unusually high number for any kingdom?  Did other kingdoms 
> run into this "overpopulation" problem?  It reminds me a lot of the fact that 
> our planet is home to 6 billion people, and that affects practically 
> everything.  This appears to be one of those effects:  A metric buttload of SCA'ers (a 
> Good Thing (TM), but a logistical nightmare).  How many kingdoms are there now? 
>  I think I've lost track, but you get the idea.  The Kingdom itself may have 
> grown too big to be handled in a official monarchial capacity as one undivided 
> unit.

There are currently 17 kingdoms.  According to each kingdom's web page 
(which may not be up-to-date, but should be close enough for your 
question), they have the following groups.

As for number of events, the standard seems to be 1-3 events per 
weekend; An Tir has the most, with 7 events scheduled for this coming 
weekend.


An Tir
Principality of Avacal
	3 baronies, 4 cantons, 6 shires
Principality of the Summits
	2 baronies, 1 canton, 8 shires
Principality of Tir Righ
	2 baronies, 16 shires, 1 port, 1 college
Central An Tir (not in a principality)
	8 baronies, 4 cantons, 12 shires, 4 colleges


Ansteorra
Central Region
	2 baronies, 4 cantons, 2 shires, 1 college
Coastal Region
	3 baronies, 2 cantons, 4 shires, 1 college
Northern Region
	4 baronies, 2 cantons, 3 shires
Southern Region
	3 baronies, 1 canton, 5 shires
Western Region
	1 barony, 5 shires


Artemisia
4 baronies, 14 shires, 1 college


Atenveldt
6 baronies, 8 shires, 1 march, 3 colleges


Atlantia
16 baronies, 20 cantons, 10 shires, 2 colleges, 1 stronghold


AEthelmearc
Region 1
	1 barony, 3 shires
Region 2
	1 barony, 1 canton, 4 shires, 1 college
Region 3
	2 baronies, 1 canton, 2 shires
Region 4
	2 baronies, 2 cantons, 2 shires
Region 5
	1 barony, 3 shires, 1 dominion, 1 stronghold


Caid
11 baronies, 13 cantons, 6 shires, 7 colleges, 1 pagus


Calontir
6 baronies, 4 cantons, 20 shires, 3 colleges, 1 stronghold


Drachenwald
web site didn't respond


Ealdomere
5 baronies, 14 cantons, 5 shires, 1 college, 1 stronghold


East
Northern Shores Region
	2 baronies, 8 cantons, 4 shires, 1 port
Northern Region
	1 barony, 8 shires, 1 province
Central Region
	6 baronies, 10 cantons, 6 shires
Southern Region
	4 baronies, 9 cantons, 11 shires, 1 crown province, 1 bailiwick


Lochac
10 baronies, 8 cantons, 8 shires, 9 colleges


Middle
(As an aside, the Middle's Seneschal has *20* deputies!)
Region of Constellation
	3 baronies, 11 shires
Region of Midlands
	4 baronies, 10 shires, 1 college, 1 province
Principality of Northshield (has 3 regions)
	5 baronies, 2 cantons, 22 shires, 3 colleges
Region of Oaken
	6 baronies, 10 cantons, 14 shires, 3 colleges
Region of Pentamere
	4 baronies, 9 cantons, 9 shires, 1 riding
	

Meridies
9 baronies, 2 cantons, 49 shires, 1 college


Outlands
4 baronies, 2 cantons, 16 shires, 7 colleges


Trimaris
3 baronies, 2 cantons, 18 shires, 1 college, 1 stronghold


West
Principality of the Mists
	2 baronies, 4 cantons, 7 shires, 2 collges, 1 province
Principality of Cynagua
	2 baronies, 14 shires, 1 college, 1 province
Principality of Oertha
	3 baronies, 1 canton, 1 college
The Marches (not in a principality)
	2 baronies, 2 palatine baronies, 2 cantons, 2 shires, 1 college, 3 
strongholds, 1 vale



--Perronnelle

-- 
Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.  -- Steven Wright



From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 23:41:17 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:41:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3F43180D.6010807@earthlink.net>

Lisa A. May wrote:

> While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out that
> all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
> scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of scheduled
> events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming events
> are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the next
> twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .

If anyone want so to run the numbers, here's the raw data:

01/05/02	ce	Steppes	Twelfth Night
01/05/02	co	Westgate	Winter Collegium
01/12/02	w	Crossrode Keep	Coronation
01/19/02	w	Bonwicke	Twelfth Night
01/19/02	ce	Emerald Keep	Academy of the Rapier
01/19/02	n	Northkeep	Winterkingdom
01/19/02	co	Seawinds	Siege of the Abbey
01/26/02	s	Middleford	Ice Axe
01/26/02	ce	Steppes	Queens
02/02/02	w	Adlersruhe	Bards & Arts
02/02/02	s	Bryn Gwlad	Candlemas
02/09/02	ce	Elfsea	Baronial College
02/09/02	co	Gates Edge	Pestilence Ball
02/16/02	co	La Marche S	Black Stag
02/16/02	ce	Lindenwood	Border Wars
02/23/02	s	Bjornsborg	Ransom Tourney
02/23/02	n	Wiesenfeuer	Mead Bee War
03/02/02	ce	Three Bridges	Kings Round Table
03/23/02	w	Bonwicke	Crown
03/30/02	ce	Emerald Keep	Tournament of Emeralds
04/06/02	ce	Elfsea	Spring Faire
04/06/02	co	Greywood	Guardian o/t Gauntlet
04/13/02	co	Gates Edge	Academy of the Bow
04/13/02	s	Tempio	Hero of the Temple
04/20/02	co	Bordermarch	Baronial
04/20/02	s	Ffynnon Gath	Highland Games
04/27/02	w	Bonwicke	Champions de la Croix
04/27/02	s	Ravens Fort	A Day at the Court
04/27/02	n	Wastelands	Wasteland Games
05/04/02	n	Brad Leah	Conquest
05/04/02	co	Stargate	Squires & Cadets
05/11/02	w	Mendersham	Defender
05/11/02	n	Namron	Beltane Games
05/18/02	n	Eldern Hills	Eldern
05/18/02	co	Loch Soilleir	Loch Guardian
05/25/02	ce	Steppes	Warlord
06/01/02	n	Northkeep	Castellan
06/01/02	co	Stone Bridge	Golden Arrow
06/08/02	w	Adlersruhe	Passe de Armes
06/08/02	ce	Rosenfeld	Defender
06/15/02	w	Crossrode Keep	Sundered Shield
06/15/02	ce	Lindenwood	Midsummer Masque
06/22/02	n	Namron	Kings College
06/29/02	ce	Dragonsfire T	Guardian of the Tor
06/29/02	co	Gates Edge	Midsummer Faire
07/06/02	n	Mooneschadowe	Heraldic Scribal Symp
07/13/02	s	Middleford	Coronation
07/20/02	ce	Rosenfeld	Kings Round Table
07/27/02	co	Greywood	Queens
08/03/02	s	Shadowlands	Anniversary
08/10/02	ce	Loch Ruadh	Lughnasad
08/24/02	ce	Steppes	Artisan
08/31/02	w	Trelac	Gothic Wars
08/31/02	n	Wiesenfeuer	Baronial
09/07/02	co	Greywood	Battle of the Pines
09/07/02	n	Mooneschadowe	Guardian
09/14/02	s	Middleford	Warchief/Cav o/t Brid
09/14/02	co	Stargate	Baronial
09/21/02	ce	Glaslyn	Defender
09/21/02	s	Ravens Fort	Defender
09/28/02	ce	Elfsea	Defender
09/28/02	n	Wastelands	Defender
10/05/02	co	Greywood	Laurel Prize Tourney
10/12/02	s	Bryn Gwlad	Fall Event / Baronial
10/12/02	n	Namron	Protectorate
10/19/02	s	Bjornsborg	Tournament of Heroes
10/19/02	w	Blacklake	Sentinel
10/26/02	n	Eldern Hills	Samhain
10/26/02	s	Tempio	Tourney o/t 5 Pillars
11/02/02	co	Stargate	Crown
11/09/02	ce	Rosenfeld	Three Kings
11/09/02	w	Trelac	Melee & Mayhem
11/16/02	co	Bordermarch	Melees
11/16/02	n	Rundel	Margrave/Vormund
11/23/02	ce	Emerald Keep	Hunters Moon
11/23/02	co	Gates Edge	Cour de l'Armour
12/07/02	s	Bjornsborg	?
12/07/02	s	Bryn Gwlad	Yule Revel
12/07/02	co	Loch Soilleir	Yule Revel
12/07/02	co	Seawinds	Defender
12/07/02	n	Wiesenfeuer	Yule Revel
12/14/02	ce	Dragonsfire T	Yule Revel
12/14/02	co	Stargate	Yule Revel
12/28/02	co	La Marche S	Golden Hart


--Perronnelle

-- 
Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.  -- Steven Wright



From gudze at pagancow.org  Wed Aug 20 00:08:37 2003
From: gudze at pagancow.org (Gudze O'Domhnaill)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:08:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events
References: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEMEGHDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>
Message-ID: <02cf01c366ea$57a027c0$420496ac@genji>

I had not heard that Ansteorran awards were sometimes viewed as less
meaningful because of their frequency, but this does not terribly surprise
me.

I am not one to judge the merits of all persons receiving an award,
armigerous or otherwise... But I would certainly concur that awards given
with less frequency tend to be more highly-valued.

As a bearer of no awards, I can say that I would be much more excited to
earn an award that isn't frequently awarded than on that is given to
everyone who meets a certain requirement of exceptional service. (Again, I'm
not saying that's how it is now, just making an example.) For example, I
would love to be the Employee of the Month, but I'd love even more to be
Employee of the Year. I'd be happy with the former, but truly excited about
the latter.

It is my humble opinion that nonarmigerous awards should make up the vast
majority of those awarded. Additionally, I might set a soft approximation of
how many of a certain award I wish to present at a given event or in a given
month/year ("soft" because I wouldn't exclude someone who was deserving
simply because I hit that number). That would help maintain the relative
value of, and prestige associated with, a given award.

Humble Regards,
Gudze O'Domhnaill

P.S. I will be weighing in on the event number issue, after I catch up on
reading everyone else's replies. :)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C. L. Ward" <gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 00:39
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events


> > Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry
> > an AoA did I not?  The  comet,thistle and AoA
> > are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local
> > awards that carry AoA's. ie The Firebrand of
> >Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
> > Pieter
>
> Pieter, not all local awards carry AoAs.  The Bjornsborg Firebrands, at
> least when they started, did not, although the Ursae Majoris and later the
> Ursae Australis did. A barony can have as many (or as few) nonarmigerous
> awards as they want.
>
> And, as for what you do about local awards you'd like to give at these
> non-calendar events, is the Crown can read 'em into law at any Crown
court -
> for which one does not have to have the whole kingdom present.  I'd think
> that the Crown could summon a few witnesses into Their camp a little ahead
> of Group X's noncalendar event, open Their Court, read the scrolls into
law,
> Close Court, and send the awards via messenger (or FedEx, etc.) to Group X
> to be duly presented with much publich hoorah and rejoicing at the
> non-calendar event.
>
> But, honest-to-goshen, "having an event so we can give out awards" has
gotta
> be the worst reason for holding an event I have ever heard in my life.
The
> awards can't be all we're here for... surely some folks have got to be
doing
> cool stuff in the SCA because they think it's neat, or fun, etc.  Awards
are
> the cherry set atop the ice cream and hot fudge on the sundae... nice, but
> not, after all, what you paid $3 for at the Dairy Queen.
>
> On a related but slightly tangent topic, one thing that just kind of took
me
> by surprise the other day was hearing that some people got offended if
they
> didn't get their awards in evening court because they felt that somehow
they
> had been given less of an honor.  By my lights, an award given to me
doesn't
> mean that I have had an Honor!! bestowed upon me by the Crown (though that
> is part of it).  Rather, the Big Deal of an award is that friends,
> colleages, and other people doing some of the same stuff I do in the SCA
> thought I was doing something neat enough for recognition.  The Crown may
or
> may not really know every person to whom They grant an award... but the
> Crown does know that the person being given the award has in some way
> impressed the people who recommended the recipient for that award.
>
> I personally enjoy it when the Crown convenes court on the listfield, or
at
> the archery range, or on the dancefloor, and grants an award to a person
> witnessed by the members of that person's SCA community... We may each
live
> in a given barony or shire or canton, but each of has one or more
> "communities" with whom we play, be it chivalric combat, A&S, archery,
> equestrian, rapier, the kitchen crew, etc. and I feel it is very special
to
> get an award in some of these "communities" with the folks we play with in
> these venues witnessing, at least or even more special than it is to get
one
> in one's local SCA group's big evening court.
>
> Over last weekend, I heard the opinion voiced that compared to some other
> kingdoms, Ansteorra gives out "too many" awards and that consequently
> they're not as highly valued here as they might be elsewhere.  That was a
> very different belief than one I'd ever encountered, but it was one that
> made me think.  I do have to giggle when I envision the chaos and riot
that
> would ensue if it were suddenly announced that half of the awards
currently
> given in Ansteorra were to be permanently retired and that the remaining
> ones would be given out half as often than before...  but certainly it
would
> make courts shorter, and you wouldn't have to worry about no awards being
> given at noncalendar events, lol!
>
> ::GUNNVOR::
>
> Insomnia.  *sigh* It leads to waxing elephants.
>
>
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From gudze at pagancow.org  Wed Aug 20 00:39:36 2003
From: gudze at pagancow.org (Gudze O'Domhnaill)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com> <3F4317B8.2080700@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <02e701c366ee$bef6c9c0$420496ac@genji>

As promised, I'm weighing in. Okay, so I'm a lightweight, but I'm one who
can type. :)

On the topic of Barony vs. Shire (et al):

I agree with the new proposed numbers of Calendar events per year.As someone
said, Baronies worked hard to become such, and typically have more people
than the shires, cantons, etc. Instead of using this proposal to further
divide our weekends, we (the people of Ansteorra) should band together to
make the events that ARE held that much more spectacular, as someone said.

On the topic of Money:

This is a waste of a topic. Yes, money is an unavoidable concern for
thriving organizations. However, to make this a prime argument against the
event limits counters the reason we have events (as someone said). In my
humble opinion, the events that should be listed are the ones that come with
a lot of hoo-hah; events that would make people want to travel cross-kingdom
just to be there. Start holding events like that that, and the money will
take care of itself (as long as someone keeps an eye on it).

On the topic of Barony-Shire Cooperation:

I can see no reason why a barony couldn't hold an event with participation
from the neighboring shires and cantons one weekend, and for a shire to do
the same with the support of a barony on another weekend. There is no need
to compete with your neighbors for weekends and money. With some good
planning and cooperation, this problem will work itself out.

On the topic of Splitting the Kingdom:

I would certainly hate to see Ansteorra split, especially since Ansteorra
has a long history and a lot of people in every corner that wouldn't want to
live anywhere else. However, I can see this as an opportunity as well. It
could be an opportunity for unprecedented inter-kingdom relations. I don't
know how often kingdoms split, but I'd think it would make for a great
chance for two siter kingdoms to possibly accomplish what one couldn't alone
(not referring to anything specific, just trying to whet some imaginations).

On the topic of Information Dissemination:

It is my opinion that each region (to include as least one barony or other
group having landed nobles that are "in the loop") should hold meetings.
Representatives from each group would attend, and anything that happens on
the BOD or Kingdom level that isn't advertised very much would be told to
them. This would also be a great time to plan inter-group events. :)

On the topic of Viruses (or virii, if you prefer):

They stink.

Okay, I need some caffeine. Anyone who disagrees, please do comment to the
list or to me privately. I'm happy to discuss and defend (and, if necessary,
change my mind about) anything I've said. However, I have a feeling that
this post is basically a summary of the topics presented already, with a
little of my own flavor. Thank you all who read this far!

Humble Regards,
Gudze O'Domhnaill




From cnetterville at ih2000.net  Wed Aug 20 04:26:39 2003
From: cnetterville at ih2000.net (charles netterville)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:26:39 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Symantec Security Response - W32.Sobig.F@mm
Message-ID: <000901c3670d$febada00$7e6222d1@g1w3z6>

I'm not sure who it is, but I've been sent this virus sixty or more times this morning alone. Please take a moment to run a scan on your computer to see if you are infected. If so, this link contains a patch. Thanks, Chuck

 http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.f at mm.html

From PKieferjr at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 05:46:05 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:46:05 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
Message-ID: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2003 12:47:41 AM Central Daylight Time, 
j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:
We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
I think it's safe to say that Estrella, Gulf and Pennsic are significant 
enough to be included (I hadn't even heard about those other two mentioned; 
definitely a first for me).

Lord Johann (Paul)


From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Wed Aug 20 06:13:34 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:13:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com>
References: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1061385214.3f4373fef15eb@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Disclaimer : The numbers I provided were meant for a quick reference so they 
aren't 100% accurate.  However, I can state that the numbers and percentages 
won't change very much even if one were to be more meticulous.

Gulf War was included, the rest were not.  Again, I dealt with events that were 
strictly Ansteorran or that Ansteorra was a principal (such as Gulf War).

As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how many 
Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious and, while it 
does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic, I'd suggest any 
responses have the thread renamed to something like "Estrella attendance" 
or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in knowing what the numbers are like.
Feel free to post to me privately.

Ansgar

Quoting PKieferjr at aol.com:

> In a message dated 8/20/2003 12:47:41 AM Central Daylight Time, 
> j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:
> We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to
> how 
> many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for
> our 
> purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
> I think it's safe to say that Estrella, Gulf and Pennsic are significant
> 
> enough to be included (I hadn't even heard about those other two
> mentioned; 
> definitely a first for me).
> 
> Lord Johann (Paul)
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From rixende at mail2noble.com  Wed Aug 20 06:24:52 2003
From: rixende at mail2noble.com (Jhan Knebel)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:24:52 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <1df4d01c3671e$702fda90$0a0b010a@mail2world.com>

This year, Diamond Wars is opposite Elfsea Defender (as it has been in
many years past) on the last weekend in September.

Rixende

<-----Original Message-----> 
From: IagoAH at aol.com
Sent: 8/19/2003 11:14:59 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?

In a message dated 8/19/03 9:42:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
gilli at hot.rr.com 
writes:


> Diamond Wars???
> 
> Where and when is that??
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.

September or October, I think, in Arkansas.

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From DAFPIG at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 06:56:27 2003
From: DAFPIG at aol.com (DAFPIG at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:56:27 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Combat Archery on a lighter note
Message-ID: <178.1ef99644.2c74d80b@aol.com>

Greeting all, 

I wrote the below piece about 5 years ago, It seems to be the perfect time
to resurrect it ( with a few minor changes) as the melee season is about to 
begin.  Ansteorra needs
more combat archers,,,come on out and have a good time:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

Well, its that time of the year again. The weather is starting to cool 
down(maybe) and the roars and grunts of the fighters can be hear echoing 
through the wood and fields. Once again it is archery season. I have put 
together a few tips for those of you hunting these extordinary creatures for 
the first time. 

1. Baiting: the use of an object/s to encourage your prey to come to you. 

A. Heavy Fighters: The best bait for these massive animals is the use 
of decoys. They cannot seem to resist the clashing and banging around of 
thier own kind. When they see other fighters fighting, they tend to rush 
headlong to join them. If you don't have access to such decoys, try spreading 

some bright shiny objects around such as stainless steel gaunlets or a shiny 
helm, using long peices as ratten is also effective. Heavy fighters are 
drawn to such things as these. 

B. Light fighters: Oh, the rare and elusive light fighter, We usually 
don't hunt these graceful creatures because of thier rarity. They don't seem 
drawn to the noise of others fighting. So I have found that to effectively 
bait them into range, one must use other objects to entice them. The use of 
a few yards of expensive trim or lace seems to work, What always does the job 

though, is the sight of very sharp, fancy clothing. This approach has never 
failed me yet. 

2. Choosing your hunting Terrain: have a working knowledge of the terrain you 

will be hunting in. 

A. Open field: The open fields are the most common area to find both 
heavy and light game. This is the area they perfer to engage in their ritual 
combat. Because of the lack of ready cover, an archer must stay alert and on 
thier toes at all times. Being spotted by one of these fierce creatures can 
be dangerous. 

B. Bridges: For some unkown reason, Heavy fighters tend to gather at 
bridges. They strive to reach the other side, push and fighting thier way 
through. Ironically, it doesn't seem to matter which side they start from, as 

long as they end up on the opposite bank. It is here that we archers revel in 

the ease of the kill. Often it is too easy to bag your limit and only the 
fact 
that your quiver is empty do you stop. 

3. Types of archery equipment: What tips to use, and when. 

A. There are ,of course, a multitude of tips avaliable this season, the 
Markland, Thistle and several types of Baldar blunts. We won't be discussing 
the 
disgusting golf tube thingys. Remember, Heavy fighters are encased in an 
armor-like skin. The thickness of this pelt varies with each individual. I 
usually start with a fine Markland tip or perhaps a baldar blunt for average 
game. I switch to my Thistle tips ,at close range, when I encounter thicker 
pelted fighters. Often these massive animals are unable to feel that they are 

dying, stuck on the end of a wonderful shot. It is during these times, One 
should verbally remind them of this fact. Often a POLITE verbal reminder will 
do the 
job. 

B. +++ Special note for the lighter game. Use only the foam covered 
Marklands to hunt this prey. These animals tend to be VERY thin pelted and 
are usually easily damaged. 

4. Safety tips: when to run like heck. 

A. A combat archer must ALWAYS be on thier toes and aware of what is 
going on. For some reason, most of the massive heavy prey hate archers on 
site and will go to extreme measures to kill us. Upon sighting archery 
equipment, Heavy fighters tend to foam and fleck at the mouth, in a desperate 

attempt to stop us. So be aware. One way to avoid such encounters when being 
chased by these lumbering mammonths, is to run directly into another group of 

heavies. This tends to confuse the pursuing fighter and they usually stop to 
fight with the heavies you are hiding among. If you are caught out in the 
open with no means of escape, Fall to the ground or your knees yelling "I 
YEILD". This has 2 effects on these animals. 1st, they stop their headlong 
charge on you and 2nd, instead of whompen you, they tend to just tap you. I 
don't know if they are confused by the yelling or the falling to the ground. 

Well, These are all the tips I have for now. The season is opening for a 
majority of us next weekend at Gothic Wars. Come on out if you can and go 
hunting with us. 

Countess Octavia 




From gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu  Wed Aug 20 06:56:18 2003
From: gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Gail Taylor)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:56:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
	<1061358296.3f430ad8a1c96@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
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Are we including Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving as viable potential 
event weekends?  

IGH

j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

>Apologies for that last post.
>
>Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current month, 
>which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>
>
>As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella, Pennsic, etc 
>as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals (like 
>Gulf War)
>
>For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :
>
>(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know there were 
>some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers down.  The 
>Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)
>
>83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
>47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events per 
>weekend.
>If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events over 43 
>weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.
>
>Breakdown by number of events per weekend :
>
>5 weekends - no events
>19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
>21 weekends - 2 events
>6 weekends - 3 events
>1 weekend - 4 events
>
>I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the Blackstars I 
>have readily available, if needed<G>
>
>We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
>many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
>purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
>
>Ansgar
>(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)
>
>
>Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:
>
>  
>
>>Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
>>
>>While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
>>that
>>all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
>>scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
>>scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
>>scheduled
>>events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
>>events
>>are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
>>next
>>twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
>>
>>Margaret
>>
>>****************************************
>>Countess Margaret ny Connor
>>Barony of the Steppes
>>Kingdom of Ansteorra
>>****************************************
>>
>>"And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink
>>as
>>friends."  W. Shakespeare.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
>>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
>>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>>Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the
>>sky
>>is falling in!"
>>
>><much, much snippage>
>>
>>::GUNNVOR::
>>
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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 07:06:06 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:06:06 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000a01c366c7$7c1853c0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3F4339FE.22831.686E21@localhost>

On 19 Aug 2003 at 22:02, Bob Dewart wrote:

> Thing is, folks WANT to be ANSTEORRAN.  Go figure.  :)
> 
> Gilli


How about the Principality of North Ansteorra and the Principality of South Ansteorra? 
We already  have a precedent with many of the states of the US. (Dakotas, Carolinas)


Giggle, Not serious.

Claire 


From morgancain at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 07:15:37 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:15:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events
Message-ID: <003301c36725$921b0100$eeeff5d1@homeseries>

Gunnora said:

> But, honest-to-goshen, "having an event so we can give out awards"
> has gotta be the worst reason for holding an event I have ever heard
> in my life.  The awards can't be all we're here for... surely some folks
> have got to be doing cool stuff in the SCA because they think it's neat,
> or fun, etc.  Awards are the cherry set atop the ice cream and hot
> fudge on the sundae... nice, but not, after all, what you paid $3 for
> at the Dairy Queen.

I have to agree (especially as I prefer the cherry-dip myself <g>).  I got my first award in A.S. XXII or something like that (it was a long time ago, and I've slept since then), and if I wore all the medallions I've received since then I'd just clank.  They'd get in the way when I try to do things, so most reside in a pretty little box at home that if I am thinking about it, perhaps once in every couple years or so I actually remember to take to an event so I might wear them for sitting around in court if I think about it.  In my case, the awards *do* get in the way of fun, at least in a fairly literal physical sense.

I think it may depend upon when you started, and where, and who was around you at the time.  If they make a big hairy deal about awards, then it's all you can think about.  If they focus on Having Fun And Doing Shtuff, then you focus on that too.  I ended up in a group that had the latter attitude, and I guess it has affected my outlook.  I remember the group to the north of us (it was in a different kingdom far away from here) was very award-hungry and sometimes they would look down on us for not having slews of awards and big courts at our events.  We thought their focus was wrong, because they always thought about activities and events only in terms of what they could do towards getting awards, not in terms of how they could have fun and make fun for other people.

It did make our events easier, because we had an unwritten agreement that they got all the Royalty and courts, with a few minor exceptions every once in a couple years or so.  We cheerfully dragged people to their events to get awards if needed.  That way, our events could have a lot more fighting and dancing and entertainment, which we enjoyed more.  They got all the pomp and royal sucking-up they enjoyed.  Think of that as an alternative to having on-calendar, award-giving events - what fits your group's personality?  Can you work out something with a nearby group that likes having court?

> Over last weekend, I heard the opinion voiced that compared
> to some other kingdoms, Ansteorra gives out "too many" awards
> and that consequently they're not as highly valued here as they
> might be elsewhere.

It was interesting to see the comment.  Did they mean that Ansteorra has more awards than other Kingdoms, or that they are given out with less provocation?  There's a big difference.  I've seen awards created to recognize things that don't fit into any other category, which can then give encouragement to the persons doing that art/skill, as well as those who might come into it later.  This is not necessarily a bad thing, especially as the Society grows and we add activities that twenty or thirty years ago were not done.

I have to admit, one of the hardest awards I've gotten was given for an art I wasn't practicing.  As a result, I've felt forced to do the art, and teach other people to do it, when I'm not really interested in that.  It's been a learning experience, but it's also an unpleasant weight.  This made me feel the other way, that awards are given with too little justification.  It's uncomfortable to have to earn an award after it is given.

My tuppence,

                                        ---= Morgan Cain  *

* the little one from Steppes

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
" There is no key to happiness. The door is always open. "  (Unknown)
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)

From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Wed Aug 20 07:26:55 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:26:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <3F437E02.9060308@lonestar.utsa.edu>
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	<1061358296.3f430ad8a1c96@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
	<3F437E02.9060308@lonestar.utsa.edu>
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In most cases, there aren't any events Christmas weekend.  It's about a 50/50 
shot, from what I can tell as to having an event scheduled Thanksgiving 
weekend.  There is almost always an event on Easter weekend.

I'll try to list the weekends that I didn't find events for last year and the 
current year.  I've got all the data at home.

Ansgar

Quoting Gail Taylor <gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>:

> Are we including Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving as viable potential 
> event weekends?  
> 
> IGH
> 
> j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:
> 
> >Apologies for that last post.
> >
> >Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current
> month, 
> >which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>
> >
> >As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella,
> Pennsic, etc 
> >as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals
> (like 
> >Gulf War)
> >
> >For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :
> >
> >(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know
> there were 
> >some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers
> down.  The 
> >Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)
> >
> >83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
> >47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events
> per 
> >weekend.
> >If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events
> over 43 
> >weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.
> >
> >Breakdown by number of events per weekend :
> >
> >5 weekends - no events
> >19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
> >21 weekends - 2 events
> >6 weekends - 3 events
> >1 weekend - 4 events
> >
> >I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the
> Blackstars I 
> >have readily available, if needed<G>
> >
> >We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as
> to how 
> >many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for
> our 
> >purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
> >
> >Ansgar
> >(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)
> >
> >
> >Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
> >>
> >>While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
> >>that
> >>all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> >>scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months
> of
> >>scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
> >>scheduled
> >>events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
> >>events
> >>are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
> >>next
> >>twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
> >>
> >>Margaret
> >>
> >>****************************************
> >>Countess Margaret ny Connor
> >>Barony of the Steppes
> >>Kingdom of Ansteorra
> >>****************************************
> >>
> >>"And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and
> drink
> >>as
> >>friends."  W. Shakespeare.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> >>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
> >>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >>Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
> >>
> >><snip>
> >>
> >>My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little,
> the
> >>sky
> >>is falling in!"
> >>
> >><much, much snippage>
> >>
> >>::GUNNVOR::
> >>
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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 07:30:23 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:30:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
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On 20 Aug 2003 at 8:13, j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

> As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how
> many Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious
> and, while it does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic,
> I'd suggest any responses have the thread renamed to something like
> "Estrella attendance" or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in
> knowing what the numbers are like. Feel free to post to me privately.
> 
> Ansgar
> 
I am not sure the simple quantity of Ansteorrans in attendance is all there is to consider. 
We often have agreements, formal or otherwise with allies in these other kingdoms. 
That often means at least that our Royalty will be in attendance, meaning that while they 
are out of kingdom we cannot hold any royal court events, unless we have Heirs still at 
home. 

So it impacts us. I would like to see events like Estrella War and others listed on the 
Kingdom Calendar and noted as such as a Convenience not as a Kingdom Scheduled 
event just to assist my planning. 

I may want to hold an event during Pennsic but I also want to be sure I am not counting 
on the Crown to attend. I can't always remember those dates in relation to our calendar. 


Claire 


From PKieferjr at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 07:47:13 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:47:13 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
Message-ID: <36.465f8fe8.2c74e3f1@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2003 9:03:28 AM Central Daylight Time, 
gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu writes:
Are we including Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving as viable potential 
event weekends?  

IGH

j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

>Apologies for that last post.
>
>Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current 
month, 
>which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>
>
>As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella, Pennsic, 
etc 
>as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals (like 
>Gulf War)
>
>For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :
>
>(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know there 
were 
>some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers down.  
The 
>Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)
>
>83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
>47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events per 
>weekend.
>If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events over 
43 
>weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.
>
>Breakdown by number of events per weekend :
>
>5 weekends - no events
>19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
>21 weekends - 2 events
>6 weekends - 3 events
>1 weekend - 4 events
>
>I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the Blackstars 
I 
>have readily available, if needed<G>
>
>We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
>many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
>purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
>
>Ansgar
>(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)



Wouldn't count on having any events Christmas, Thanksgiving or New Year's

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From swhite at Pegasus-International.com  Wed Aug 20 07:55:45 2003
From: swhite at Pegasus-International.com (Sandra White)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:55:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] event limits - sampling technique
Message-ID: <251FC9010DCAD711B86F00A0C9E92C3F0AD7FE@10mail.deltacom.net>

>From a technical standpoint, I would like to point out a couple of flaws in
this math.
 
1)    The on-line calendar is unofficial.
2)    Many events won't go onto the calendar a year in advance.
 
I propose instead that we look at the last year's worth of Black Stars on a
month by month basis. I think we'll find very different results.
 
Kind Regards,
 
Clara von Ulm
(Who has run into the "unable to get an event date" syndrome, as a member of
a Barony.)
 
P.S. As I have been rapidly reading the many, many messages since this post,
I see that Countess Margaret brought this up as well.
 
 
Ansgar wrote:
> If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
(Christmas,
> Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That 
> brings
the
> number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
>
> The breakdown is :
>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
 
 


From karolus at gte.net  Wed Aug 20 10:02:14 2003
From: karolus at gte.net (Karolus)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:02:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
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I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf, but
I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think we
had the 8 in the rental car at War.

Karolus
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events


> On 20 Aug 2003 at 8:13, j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:
>
> > As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how
> > many Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious
> > and, while it does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic,
> > I'd suggest any responses have the thread renamed to something like
> > "Estrella attendance" or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in
> > knowing what the numbers are like. Feel free to post to me privately.
> >
> > Ansgar
> >
> I am not sure the simple quantity of Ansteorrans in attendance is all
there is to consider.
> We often have agreements, formal or otherwise with allies in these other
kingdoms.
> That often means at least that our Royalty will be in attendance, meaning
that while they
> are out of kingdom we cannot hold any royal court events, unless we have
Heirs still at
> home.
>
> So it impacts us. I would like to see events like Estrella War and others
listed on the
> Kingdom Calendar and noted as such as a Convenience not as a Kingdom
Scheduled
> event just to assist my planning.
>
> I may want to hold an event during Pennsic but I also want to be sure I am
not counting
> on the Crown to attend. I can't always remember those dates in relation to
our calendar.
>
>
> Claire
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From cellach at breezykilt.com  Wed Aug 20 10:46:38 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:46:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
References: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com> <3F433FAF.56.7EA939@localhost>
	<002501c3673c$ce275a10$0200a8c0@otropf80luile6>
Message-ID: <003b01c36743$01ee4c90$1108a8c0@bobby>

Speaking of Estrella, the wife and I are starting to plan for it next year.
She'll be 6 months preggers, so, it'll be hotel city for us.  I have friends
from Caid that attend each year.  It'll be good to see them and to scream
"Ansteorra!" at them all week long.  I've never gone, so, if you have some
tips for us, we'd appreciate it!

As far as the Ansteorra contingent is concerned, we must be aligned and make
ourselves known!

In Service,
Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karolus" <karolus at gte.net>
To: <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>; "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
<ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events


> I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf,
but
> I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think
we
> had the 8 in the rental car at War.
>
> Karolus
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events
>
>
> > On 20 Aug 2003 at 8:13, j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:
> >
> > > As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how
> > > many Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious
> > > and, while it does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic,
> > > I'd suggest any responses have the thread renamed to something like
> > > "Estrella attendance" or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in
> > > knowing what the numbers are like. Feel free to post to me privately.
> > >
> > > Ansgar
> > >
> > I am not sure the simple quantity of Ansteorrans in attendance is all
> there is to consider.
> > We often have agreements, formal or otherwise with allies in these other
> kingdoms.
> > That often means at least that our Royalty will be in attendance,
meaning
> that while they
> > are out of kingdom we cannot hold any royal court events, unless we have
> Heirs still at
> > home.
> >
> > So it impacts us. I would like to see events like Estrella War and
others
> listed on the
> > Kingdom Calendar and noted as such as a Convenience not as a Kingdom
> Scheduled
> > event just to assist my planning.
> >
> > I may want to hold an event during Pennsic but I also want to be sure I
am
> not counting
> > on the Crown to attend. I can't always remember those dates in relation
to
> our calendar.
> >
> >
> > Claire
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From zubeydah at northkeep.org  Tue Aug 19 23:37:21 2003
From: zubeydah at northkeep.org (Zubeydah the Wanderer)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:37:21 +0600
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: OOK Wars/Events
In-Reply-To: <002501c3673c$ce275a10$0200a8c0@otropf80luile6>
References: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com> <3F433FAF.56.7EA939@localhost>
	<002501c3673c$ce275a10$0200a8c0@otropf80luile6>
Message-ID: <20030820063721.32682.qmail@vectra.stormreaver.net>

Three attended from Northkeep... myself, Marcus Quietly, and Lynn the 
Inquisitive. 

 -zubeydah 

 


Karolus writes: 

> I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf, but
> I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think we
> had the 8 in the rental car at War. 
> 
> Karolus



From morgancain at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 12:04:06 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (morgancain at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:04:06 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
Message-ID: <265000-2200383201946936@M2W049.mail2web.com>

I thought there were only six of us there - Chiara, Big Morgan, Master Etc.
Modius, and Their Majesties - because excepting Morgan (whom Chiara saw
elsewhere) there were only five of us in court, and I didn't see any other
specifically Ansteorran people there that I recall.

I guessed there were more when I saw more than the two of us (Chiara and
myself) listed on the volunteer posting post-war.  If you saw a waterbearer
in an Ansteorran tabard at Estrella this past year, it was one of us.

I think the reason we-all didn't think the others were there is that unlike
last year, there wasn't a specifically Ansteorran Camp onsite.

                             ---= Morgan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Three attended from Northkeep... myself, Marcus Quietly,
> and Lynn the Inquisitive. 
>
> -zubeydah 
>
> Karolus writes: 
>
> I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf,
but
> I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think
> we had the 8 in the rental car at War. 
> 
> Karolus

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From lg_photo at texas.net  Wed Aug 20 12:26:59 2003
From: lg_photo at texas.net (Alice Morrow Harris)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:26:59 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F43CB83.21B32467@texas.net>



PKieferjr at aol.com wrote:

> I
> I'm basically looking at this as "we've become overwhelmed that we can't do
> things efficiently or effectively within the current structure without coming
> up short somewhere", so we add another layer of sorts.  One would have to
> acknowledge that someone can't be everywhere they'd like to be (i.e., Crown, et.al.),
> so another layer, in the form of a coronet principality, delegated certain duties when
> the monarchy cannot be there in person.  Sort of like a "stand-in" (although a noble is
> supposed to do this as well).
>

Greetings From Alina:

If it's the issue of not having the crown coming to the events of shire & canton so the
local populace can recieve awards, I thought there was something already in place. I'm
mentioning that the nearest barony's baron and/or baroness to the group giving out the
awards for the Crown. I think I heard mention of that at the last Red Tape meeting and in
the past.

Alina




From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Wed Aug 20 12:34:09 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:34:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <36.465f8fe8.2c74e3f1@aol.com>
References: <36.465f8fe8.2c74e3f1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1061408049.3f43cd31771ec@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Quoting PKieferjr at aol.com:

> Wouldn't count on having any events Christmas, Thanksgiving or New
> Year's
> 
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)

Going back and answering Isobel's question :


For the years 99-02 :
   There were no events on Christmas weekend
   There were events on 2 Thanksgiving weekends
   There were events on 3 New Year's weekends

For the years 98-01 & 03 :
   There were events on all of the Easter weekends.

So pretty much, like I said, almost no events on Christmas, about 50/50 for 
Thanksgiving, and almost all Easters have events.

Ansgar



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From dmriney at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 13:11:46 2003
From: dmriney at earthlink.net (Don and Monica)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:11:46 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income -= Holiday Events
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	<1061408049.3f43cd31771ec@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <001e01c36757$48774ea0$c1ddfea9@OSIRUS>

There are many a holiday weekend that my family and I have choosen to go to
an event.  Thanksgiving is one of the best times due to the Turkey being
done on Thursday, eat left overs on Friday - go to an event and escape the
family on Saturday & Sunday.

Rosalia
----- Original Message -----
From: <j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income


> Quoting PKieferjr at aol.com:
>
> > Wouldn't count on having any events Christmas, Thanksgiving or New
> > Year's
> >
> > Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
>
> Going back and answering Isobel's question :
>
>
> For the years 99-02 :
>    There were no events on Christmas weekend
>    There were events on 2 Thanksgiving weekends
>    There were events on 3 New Year's weekends
>
> For the years 98-01 & 03 :
>    There were events on all of the Easter weekends.
>
> So pretty much, like I said, almost no events on Christmas, about 50/50
for
> Thanksgiving, and almost all Easters have events.
>
> Ansgar
>
>
>
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From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 20 13:21:19 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:21:19 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>

That is my point. If you don't put in a bid, you cannot be considered to 
host a Kingdom level event.

I am still very new to all of this so my misunderstanding was that only 
large groups like Baronies and such would be awarded Kingdom events since 
they had the people and the money to pull it off. A smaller group like a 
canton or shire would be overlooked. Boy was I wrong. And glad of it.

I had always thought that groups were clamoring to host a Kingdom event. 
What better way to be assured the Crown would be there. That alone should 
boost attendance for an event. Now I have found out that groups are not 
bidding on Kingdom events.

To me this is an opportunity missed. It is also a great way for a new 
autocrat to get their feet wet so to speak. Supply a site, host gate, 
provide a meal and follow the crowns instructions. How tuff is that?
What is holding groups back from bidding on Kingdom events? You don't even 
have to fight the calendar.

Respectfully,
Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor




>From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:13:22 -0500
>
>My understanding is that the Tor was the only one that bid on it.
>
>Gilli
>Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Miss Pict" <lady_pict2 at hotmail.com>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:48 PM
>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> > I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on
>Kingdom
> > events.
> > The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor in the central region bid on Crown
>Tournament
> > in October. We never thought we had a chance. Low and behold our small
> > canton will be hosting the event.
> >
> > If you do not put in a bid. You cannot win it. Don't think you are too
>small
> > to try. This will be a whole new experience for us to learn from, and I
>for
> > one am excited about it.
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> > Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
> > ><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> > >To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> > >Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> > >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
> > >
> > >On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
> > ><snip>
> > >  All this does in my opinion
> > > > is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of 
>a
> > > > second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to 
>gain
> > > > the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> > > > given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would 
>allow
> > > > those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep 
>them
> > > > functioning.
> > > >
> > > > Eirik
> > >
> > >
> > >Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at
>the
> > >next crown
> > >tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship
> > >tournament. I
> > >would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many
> > >interesting places to
> > >go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put 
>together
> > >or staff since
> > >the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by
>someone
> > >on the
> > >kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That 
>is
>a
> > >great chance to
> > >shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that
> > >might or might not
> > >have been well staffed.
> > >
> > >Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should
>be
> > >post
> > >Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember
> > >that
> > >Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to 
>do
> > >was book a
> > >site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and
>running
> > >the list usually
> > >had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and
> > >Crown areas
> > >were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the 
>events
> > >were
> > >already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it 
>was
>at
> > >the request
> > >of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that
>was
> > >easy to
> > >coordinate.
> > >
> > >Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few 
>if
> > >any bids
> > >to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event
>ahead
> > >of time. I
> > >suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other
>large
> > >group because
> > >it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute 
>event.
> > >
> > >If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two
>and
> > >have
> > >volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything
> > >concrete you are half
> > >way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown.
>You
> > >can often
> > >reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full
> > >refund if you
> > >cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament 
>and
> > >then
> > >cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still
> > >several months
> > >ahead.
> > >
> > >I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. 
>So
> > >is time, so grab
> > >what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's
> > >event and make
> > >a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make
>the
> > >feast or serve
> > >the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a
> > >reviewing stand).
> > >
> > >Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful.
> > >
> > >Claire Shayhan
> > >_______________________________________________
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From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 13:38:19 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:38:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] event limits - sampling technique
In-Reply-To: <251FC9010DCAD711B86F00A0C9E92C3F0AD7FE@10mail.deltacom.net>
References: <251FC9010DCAD711B86F00A0C9E92C3F0AD7FE@10mail.deltacom.net>
Message-ID: <3F43DC3B.6000203@earthlink.net>

Sandra White wrote:

> Clara von Ulm
> (Who has run into the "unable to get an event date" syndrome, as a member of
> a Barony.)
>  
> P.S. As I have been rapidly reading the many, many messages since this post,
> I see that Countess Margaret brought this up as well.

And I posted the raw data for last year's events in another, related, 
thread.

--Perronnelle

-- 
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From zubeydah at northkeep.org  Wed Aug 20 01:50:03 2003
From: zubeydah at northkeep.org (Zubeydah the Wanderer)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:50:03 +0600
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>
References: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030820085003.959.qmail@vectra.stormreaver.net>

Could I ask.. and I'm not sure even who to direct the  question TO... but... 
have ANY bids been received for the 25th Anniversary of the Kingdom 
celebration? 

curiously in service, 


zubeydah the wanderer
Founding Member: Northern Regional Waterbearing & Cheerleading Squad
Creatrix of Evil Things Chocolately 

.. azure, an ewer bendwise within an orle argent..


From kaitlyn_mckenna at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 20 14:11:56 2003
From: kaitlyn_mckenna at hotmail.com (Kaitlyn McKenna)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:11:56 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re:event limits
Message-ID: <Law9-F115aBtr4RN9uK0006ff2e@hotmail.com>

Hmmm..on an up side:

1. Non-calendar events don't have to do NMS
2. The on-line calendar is unofficial..so any event could be listed there, 
"calendar" or not.

kaitlyn

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From baroness_maleah at cox.net  Wed Aug 20 15:39:40 2003
From: baroness_maleah at cox.net (Maleah)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:39:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
References: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>
	<20030820085003.959.qmail@vectra.stormreaver.net>
Message-ID: <00af01c3676c$06232000$6400a8c0@banshee>

I know that Namron put in for it and have heard through the grapevine that
others have too, but we haven't heard anything back as of yet. I figured
Pennsic kinda took over and we'd hear something when everyone got back and
had a chance to look at the bids.

Maleah
Baroness of Namron

Zubeydah wrote:
> Could I ask.. and I'm not sure even who to direct the  question TO...
but...
> have ANY bids been received for the 25th Anniversary of the Kingdom
> celebration?




From dssweet at okstate.edu  Wed Aug 20 15:27:19 2003
From: dssweet at okstate.edu (Deborah Sweet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:27:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <OF5C085869.9A4FE148-ON86256D88.007222CD@okstate.edu>

Perronnelle said:
>If anyone want so to run the numbers, here's the raw data:
<big snip of data>

Wow. Thanks for that. Just what I wanted.

So after trying to torture the data until it confessed, here's what I came 
up with. It's entirely possible I missed something as I'm having trouble 
seeing well right now.

Of the 52 weekends, 5 *as listed* had no events - however, obviously one 
was Pennsic and one was Gulf Wars so I'll say 3 event-free weekends 
(Thanksgiving, closest prior to xmas, and the one prior to GW). So that's 
49 used weekends for events.

16 - weekends with 1 event (but let's add 2 for GW and Pennsic so it's - 
18)
28 - weekends with 2 events
1 - weekend with 3 events
1 - weekend with 4 events
1 - weekend with 5 events (but there was a question mark in the data so it 
probably was really a 4 event weekend)

That's a total of 86 events.

Taking out the four protected events, 82 events divided by 45 weekends is 
an average of 1.8 events per weekend. Or it could be said that 69% of the 
used weekends had at least two events and 31% of the used weekends had 
only one event.

Other Kingdom level events held last year were: two King's Round Tables, 
two Queen's Champions, King's College, Academy of the Bow, and Academy of 
the Rapier (according to the list of event titles and the list of "other 
Kingdom Events" from Kingdom law that is online). I've chosen to add 
Heraldic Symposium and Laurel's Prize Tourney to this list. [Other listed 
Kingdom level events may have been bundled up with other scheduled events, 
but were not indicated from the data that Perronnelle posted.] 

So of the 13 Kingdom events only three had at least one opposing event. Of 
the 13 baronial ped events, only one had no competition (only one guess 
what event that was).

If you look at the calendar by month, at least in 2002, the summer months 
of June, July, & August accounted for 9 single event weekends (out of 14 
possible weekends). Five of those nine events were kingdom level events. 
Of the remaining doubled-up weekends, all were in June except for one at 
the end of August. So July is a really unpopular month to hold events 
(like that needs saying).

(From here on down I'll use the sum of 84 events since GW & Pennsic aren't 
hosted by any of our internal groups.)

Baronies hosted 36 events - 13 peds, 4 kingdom events (both Crowns, Kings 
College & a Queen's Champion), and 19 other events. So each barony held an 
average of 2.76 events. 

Non-baronies (30 groups: 19 shires, 9 cantons, 2 colleges) hosted 48 
events - 9 kingdom level events and 39 others. Each non-barony held an 
average of 1.6 events. 

By region Coastal held the most with 22 events  - 26% of the events. 
Central was second with 20 events (24%). North was third with 16 events 
(19%); the South had 15 events (18%) and the West held 11 events (13%). Or 
in other words, Coastal & Central together held 50% of the events; and the 
North, South & West regions together held the other 50%.

Coastal Region had four Kingdom level events as did Central. The West and 
the North both had two kingdom level events and the South had only one.

So my conclusions are thus: Yah, the average is almost 2 events per 
weekend - that's full. Something needs to be done - my thoughts are to 
dock the baronies back to 2 events (ped + 1), just like the rest of us. 
Though I don't object strongly to the proposed change - Mooneschadowe has 
long struggled to find that "perfect" second event, be it theme, date on 
calendar or other. So for the past several years we've only had Guardian. 
However, we've put in bids for kingdom level events and got them (Heraldic 
Symposium, King's College, etc.) We've got one in now for KA&S.

Estrill
yah, another one of those opinionated Mooneschadeen


From cpenny at swbell.net  Wed Aug 20 15:35:12 2003
From: cpenny at swbell.net (Cairenn Day)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:35:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <1ab.1907c33f.2c7374e2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F43F7A0.FA0FD1A9@swbell.net>

I want to chime in with my 2 cents worth.  Steppes is one of the groups
that has three calendar events a year.  We do 12th Night, were there is
a large amount of Kingdom business transacted, we host Circles, Peerages
made (many are not local), The same problem exists at Steppes Warlord.
So far Artisan isn't quite as bad.  We have this problem, simply because
of location, if you live in the north (for example), and you have
friends in the south, the Steppes-Elfsea area will allow both groups to
attend your Peerage ceremony.  We don't mind hosting all of these
Kingdom items, but it takes away from the awards given to local people.
Artisan is our best opportunity to celebrate the people of our Barony.
If we take one event off calendar, then we (and the Kingdom) loses these
chances.  What I am the most afraid of, is that groups will end up
dropping their Arts events.  Many of these will be folded into their
fighting events, this was very common in the past.  It will lessen the
importance of the Arts, and what about the person who fights and does
beautiful artwork?  If they happen to be both a squire and a apprentice,
and their Knight and their Laurel want them to enter both?  We have just
started to get stand alone Arts events, that highlight our artists, I
don't want us to go back to the time of the "stick-jocks", when they
were known by everyone, but no one  realized that their lady was a
superb artist in herself.
Please excuse me if I have been too sharp in my comments, I'm nursing a
bad toothache.

Cairenn,  Artist and former (and hope to be again) "stick-jock"



From Fitzmorgan at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 15:41:09 2003
From: Fitzmorgan at aol.com (Fitzmorgan at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:41:09 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
Message-ID: <14c.2307cfd0.2c755305@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2003 3:46:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
zubeydah at northkeep.org writes:


> Could I ask.. and I'm not sure even who to direct the  question TO... 
> but... 
> have ANY bids been received for the 25th Anniversary of the Kingdom 
> celebration? 
> 
> curiously in service, 
> 
> 
> zubeydah the wanderer
> Founding Member: Northern Regional Waterbearing & Cheerleading Squad
> Creatrix of Evil Things Chocolately 
> 
> .. azure, an ewer bendwise within an orle argent..

       I know of Two bids.  One in the North and one in the Central Region.  
I'm not sure when the decision will be made.   

Robert


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 15:42:53 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:42:53 -0500
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <20030820041204.57932.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004101c3676c$a524ff20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

This, to me, sounds like lots of missed opportunities to let the next
generation of leaders get some experience.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:12 PM
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't
have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up
that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or
something else...
>
> A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone
you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if you
have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
> Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> wrote:
> Lisa Duke (arabella at elfsea.net) said something that sounded like:
> > Be very careful what you say Master Pug. Why should you dread going to
an
> > event because of "business being done"?
>
> Because of the old motto.
>
> When you stop having fun, stop doing it.
>
> The Peers of the Realm do a lot more "business" than what is seen at
> the King's Round Table. There is more "business" to the game of the
> SCA than what the officers do. Just ask the Laurels about judging
> sometime.
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> Phelim "Pug" Gervase | "And I ain't in it for the power
> Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra | And I ain't in it for my health
> Dark Horde Moritu | I ain't in it for the glory of anything at all
> pug at pug.net | And I sure ain't in it for the wealth" --Meatloaf
> Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 15:44:40 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:44:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <103.348660e2.2c745214@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004201c3676c$a5608180$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Did over half the Kingdom go to Pennisc?  Perhaps they do to Gulf War.  But
other than GW I wouldn't.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <PKieferjr at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> In a message dated 8/19/2003 10:42:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> lyonsden19 at att.net writes:
> should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?
> Considering the amount of attendence by Ansteorrans, that would be a big
> hearty "YES".
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
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From agillilan at swbell.net  Wed Aug 20 15:54:27 2003
From: agillilan at swbell.net (April Gillilan)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:54:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
In-Reply-To: <14c.2307cfd0.2c755305@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002801c3676e$02f06bc0$6701a8c0@PORTEGE>

A lot of people have been throwing around and computing wonderful numbers
and statistics on the number of events held in the kingdom over the past
years, and I would like to see some more.  :)

Is there anyone (or office) that has the numbers of what groups have bid on
what kingdom level events?  A lot of people are saying that kingdom level
events don't get bid on very much, and I would like to see if that is true,
or just another assumption.

Gilyan
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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 16:19:20 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:19:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <004101c3676c$a524ff20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030820231920.39243.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com>

Gilli,
 
Maybe I'm dull headed this evening...but I don't see how your comment relates to my comment...explain please
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
This, to me, sounds like lots of missed opportunities to let the next
generation of leaders get some experience.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" 
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:12 PM
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't
have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up
that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or
something else...
>
> A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone
you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if you
have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
> 

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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 16:34:14 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:34:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <OF5C085869.9A4FE148-ON86256D88.007222CD@okstate.edu>
Message-ID: <3F43BF26.26650.791D5D@localhost>

It occurs to me that the issue is far more complex than  just a crowded Kingdom 
calendar problem. 

Okay. Some few weekends had one or no events listed. That is not the only 
consideration. Not only is your event affected by the Kingdom calendar  and the 
proximity of other groups events, but also when any facilities are available. With facility 
rentals crowded and the Kingdom calendar crowded it can be VERY difficult to find a 
weekend that can work for your group. And sometimes there are other local conflicts. 
Many groups have annual events in their cities that are not SCA sponsored that they 
participate in, as they should, but that also provides conflicts. And as far apart as many 
of our groups are, we are still close enough to draw from the much of the same 
populations at the same time.

With the population increase of both the state and the SCA  facilities need to be bigger 
than in the past so that reduces the number of sites to choose from and then those sites 
are heavily used by other groups. I know that in Bryn Gwlad, we try to book Candlemas 
sites as much as 2 years in advance when they let us and we sometimes still have to  
argue for that PED weekend. And larger facilities cost more upfront as well. 

This increase in population is good for the SCA but it is straining  the resources of 
individual groups in the kingdom.  >IF< Ansteorra divided >right now< into two 
kingdoms, they would still be of a comparable size as far as numbers of groups goes, 
with other SCA kingdoms. That is why our calendar is more crowded than those 
kingdom's calendars. I just hope that our population size makes it possible for us to host 
successfully that many more events at a time.  

Disclaimer: I am not advocating Principalities at this time. This example is intended only 
for illustration and comparison purposes. 

This is such a complex issue there is no single elegant solution. But I am always in favor 
of Quality over Quantity. Traveling EVERY weekend is exhausting no matter how much I 
want to go to a particular event. 

Just more opinions from Claire .

On 20 Aug 2003 at 17:27, Deborah Sweet wrote:

> Perronnelle said:
> >If anyone want so to run the numbers, here's the raw data:
> <big snip of data>
> 
> Wow. Thanks for that. Just what I wanted.
> 
> So after trying to torture the data until it confessed, here's what I
> came up with. It's entirely possible I missed something as I'm having
> trouble seeing well right now.

>Lots of great and useful statics cut here.<


From uther at lcc.net  Wed Aug 20 17:52:14 2003
From: uther at lcc.net (mike young)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:52:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] events, awards, limits, oh my
Message-ID: <001c01c3677e$7cd8a960$502422d1@theparents>

I guess we have just never had enough awards to give here in Greywood that it took more than one event a year to give them all out . LOL!

Didn't this used to be the way it was anyway?
Or am I just mis-remembering?    The past twenty years just flew by so fast....

gwyneth
kingdom calendar secretary



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 20:25:15 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:25:15 -0500
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <20030820231920.39243.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007801c36793$d834d3a0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

You said, "more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun at
events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they end
up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something
else...".

Those crisis management or something else's might have just as easily been
taken care of by someone else, IF given the chance, opportunity or perhaps a
bit of guidance.   But as we have talked before, some folks just keep
jumping into the fire till they get a grumpy golden brown.  I guarantee you
that one of two things would have happened had that peer not been there: 1)
someone else would have taken care of it, or 2) folks would have just lived
with it.

Teaching is what we do, or at least I thought so.  That should also include
letting folks do what they have been tought or let them do on the job
training.

So, it was a self infected wound.  By their continuing to jump in the fire,
the deprived some one of the opportunity to feel the heat some to get use to
it.  Folks get use to haveing someone take care of things to the point the
one doing the taking care of walks off. That's a terrible loss, but it
dosen't seem to bring things to a hault nor change the nature of the beast.

To add to this sad fact of life, it's not just peers this sort of thing
happens to either.

Did that help?

Gilli

Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Gilli,
>
> Maybe I'm dull headed this evening...but I don't see how your comment
relates to my comment...explain please
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
> Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
> This, to me, sounds like lots of missed opportunities to let the next
> generation of leaders get some experience.
>
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "L T"
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:12 PM
> Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> > I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't
> have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up
> that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or
> something else...
> >
> > A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone
> you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if
you
> have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
> >
> > Lorraine DeerSlayer



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 20:31:51 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:31:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re:event limits
References: <Law9-F115aBtr4RN9uK0006ff2e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c36794$c426be40$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

That's not the case, or at least it wasn't.

For awhile there, they allowed my Archer's Revel (a non calendar event)
which was and is held the last weekend of November to be on the unofficial
calendar.

Then it was decide that if the event couldn't be placed on the offical
calendar in the Black Star, then it couldn't be on line calendar either.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kaitlyn McKenna" <kaitlyn_mckenna at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:11 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re:event limits


> Hmmm..on an up side:
>
> 1. Non-calendar events don't have to do NMS
> 2. The on-line calendar is unofficial..so any event could be listed there,
> "calendar" or not.
>
> kaitlyn
>
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From suzannebooth at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 20:42:48 2003
From: suzannebooth at yahoo.com (Suzanne Booth)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:42:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Farewell to Ansteorra
Message-ID: <20030821034248.93026.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings from HL Suzanne de la Fert? and Ld Angus de Botha!

Please forgive the bandwidth, but this is the quickest way to spread news of
our upcoming move to all of our friends in the Kingdom.  If you do not know us,
pleas feel free to delete this message without reading further.

Due to economic circumstances (Suzanne's job), we will be departing our beloved
Kingdom of Ansteorra for the Kingdom of Calontir (Barony of the Lonely Tower)
in a week and a half.  

Suzanne's consulting project ran out at the end of July and the consulting
company had no new project assignments foreseen until mid-October at the
earliest.  So ... a massive job search effort was rewarded with the offer of a
permanent position (no more consulting!) with a software firm in Omaha,
Nebraska, to start on September 2nd!  Angus will be receiving a transfer from
his company (O'Reilly Auto Parts) to Omaha, so his job is safe.

We will miss all of our dear friends that we have made here in Ansteorra much
more than you can ever know.  If you would like our forwarding address, please
contact us via Suzanne's email (SuzanneBooth at yahoo.com) and we will send you
the information poste haste!

Love,

Suzanne and Angus
Barony of Bjornsborg, Kingdom of Ansteorra



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From letebts at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 20:44:47 2003
From: letebts at earthlink.net (Elaine Crittenden)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:44:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Non-calendar courts
Message-ID: <E19pgOV-0004qY-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Inset in the "big picture":

Just musing back to a previous thread about people who talk during award
ceremonies and trying to connect it with the present thread...

There might be a correlation about local awards being given at big
events--ya don't know the recipient and ya can't hear, so there's no vested
interest in having an emotional bond with the awardee that would make the
awarding "special". That equals "boredom" with no "fast-forward" remote
control to speed things up until there's a part of the ceremonies that the
talker is bonded to. [Ahhh, the insidious "fallout" from modern
technologies....  ;-)  ]

Lete
Still a-thinkin'....





...............................
 Small local events
> are a great time to give out such awards because when you are at an event
> with mostly people from the local area it meens alot to the group. Giving
local
> awards at large events where lots of people are out of towners isn't as
> special. So thats my opinion as if anyone wanted it.
>
> Don Pieter Rausch
>


From letebts at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 20:55:44 2003
From: letebts at earthlink.net (Elaine Crittenden)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:55:44 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question
Message-ID: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

An impish little thought just jumped into my brain: 

Why couldn't a Barony which has an extra event date they don't want to use
barter the date to another group that wants a date and can't because of
limitations? I am thinking along the lines of politicians who have a certain
number of minutes to speak and yield part or all of the time the former is
alotted to another politician for the latter's use.

Next question:
Now just what could one barter for time? Hmmmmm. Interesting ponderance...

Lete
[Jes' thinkin'......... again.  ;-) ]
.....................

> I think that is a wonderful question.
>
> In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
> only two?
>
> Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?
>
> If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all three) that
> would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
>
> Gilli


From Lightfootcim at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 20:59:35 2003
From: Lightfootcim at aol.com (Lightfootcim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:59:35 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Mistress Lorraine Deerslayer
Message-ID: <144.1783aea0.2c759da7@aol.com>

Please forgive the bandwith, but would Mistress Lorrraine please contact me 
privately?

Thanks!

HL John Lightfoot


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 21:05:14 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:05:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question
References: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <002401c36799$70353be0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Hehehehehehehehe.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elaine Crittenden" <letebts at earthlink.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>; "Kingdom
of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:55 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question


> An impish little thought just jumped into my brain:
>
> Why couldn't a Barony which has an extra event date they don't want to use
> barter the date to another group that wants a date and can't because of
> limitations? I am thinking along the lines of politicians who have a
certain
> number of minutes to speak and yield part or all of the time the former is
> alotted to another politician for the latter's use.
>
> Next question:
> Now just what could one barter for time? Hmmmmm. Interesting ponderance...
>
> Lete
> [Jes' thinkin'......... again.  ;-) ]
> .....................
>
> > I think that is a wonderful question.
> >
> > In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial
groups
> > only two?
> >
> > Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?
> >
> > If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all three)
that
> > would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
> >
> > Gilli
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From rixende at mail2noble.com  Thu Aug 21 07:01:00 2003
From: rixende at mail2noble.com (Jhan Knebel)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:01:00 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] OT: SCAdian's Missing Son
Message-ID: <e535c01c367ec$a6d31520$2801010a@mail2world.com>


>More details and photo at website listed below.
>***********************
>
>From: "grainnechormaic" 
>Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:26:04 -0000
>Subject: [TY] SCAdian's missing son....please read
>
>My son, Nicholaus Kirkpatrick is missing. The last reliable sighting
>of him was at pre-registration some day (the registrar isn't sure
>which day) the week of July 15, 2003 at Watkins College in Nashville.
>
>Please visit the link
>http://www.geocities.com/find_nick_22/Find_Nick.html
>
>Please pass this link to everyone you know. If he is alive and for
>whatever reason has decided to "go walkabout", he may be in or headed
>for the California area.
>
>Thanks to all.
>
>Grainne inghean Chormaic (m.k.a. Karen Kirkpatrick)


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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 21 11:02:25 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:02:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Farewell to Ansteorra
In-Reply-To: <20030821034248.93026.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030821180225.28595.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>

Calontir is gaining some damn fine people!!!
 
Kief and I will miss you both!!!
 
Lorraine

Suzanne Booth <suzannebooth at yahoo.com> wrote:
Greetings from HL Suzanne de la Fert? and Ld Angus de Botha!

Please forgive the bandwidth, but this is the quickest way to spread news of
our upcoming move to all of our friends in the Kingdom. If you do not know us,
pleas feel free to delete this message without reading further.

Due to economic circumstances (Suzanne's job), we will be departing our beloved
Kingdom of Ansteorra for the Kingdom of Calontir (Barony of the Lonely Tower)
in a week and a half. 

Suzanne's consulting project ran out at the end of July and the consulting
company had no new project assignments foreseen until mid-October at the
earliest. So ... a massive job search effort was rewarded with the offer of a
permanent position (no more consulting!) with a software firm in Omaha,
Nebraska, to start on September 2nd! Angus will be receiving a transfer from
his company (O'Reilly Auto Parts) to Omaha, so his job is safe.

We will miss all of our dear friends that we have made here in Ansteorra much
more than you can ever know. If you would like our forwarding address, please
contact us via Suzanne's email (SuzanneBooth at yahoo.com) and we will send you
the information poste haste!

Love,

Suzanne and Angus
Barony of Bjornsborg, Kingdom of Ansteorra



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From dssweet at okstate.edu  Thu Aug 21 14:59:04 2003
From: dssweet at okstate.edu (Deborah Sweet)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:59:04 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <OF7FD23D85.81A60819-ON86256D89.006F8ABF@okstate.edu>

Claire said:
>With the population increase of both the state and the SCA  facilities 
need to be bigger 
>than in the past so that reduces the number of sites to choose from and 
then those sites 

Hold up there. While Texas may have had an increase in *their* state 
population, the same is not true of Oklahoma - we lost a US 
Representative. Therefore the rest that followed that statement may not be 
true up here.


>This increase in population is good for the SCA but it is straining  the 
resources of 
>individual groups in the kingdom.  >IF< Ansteorra divided >right now< 
into two 
>kingdoms, they would still be of a comparable size as far as numbers of 
groups goes, 
>with other SCA kingdoms. 

Well, not really, at least according the numbers that Perronnelle posted 
earlier about the number of groups in the other kingdoms. No one region in 
Ansteorra has as many groups as the smallest kingdom (by number of groups 
Atenveldt - 18). And even if we could somehow divide totally in half (21 
and 22 groups), that still would put both new kingdoms near the bottom of 
the rankings (ie, only Atenveldt (18) and Artemisia (19) would have fewer 
groups). Somehow I think the designator "small" is to be avoided when 
talking to Texans. :)

As an example of a viable principality (at least in the BoD's eyes), the 
Principality of Northshield will be going kingdom in October of this year 
- and they have 32 groups in their principality, already divided into 
three regions. And even with Northshield breaking away from the Middle, 
the Middle will still have the most number of groups with 86 (down from 
118). The next newest Kingdom, Lochac, has 35 groups. 

Right now Ansteorra ranks as the eighth most populous kingdom by comparing 
total number of groups. If you compared kingdoms by *percentage* number of 
baronial level groups, however, Ansteorra ranks number 3 with 30 percent 
of our groups baronial level (behind Atenveldt and Atlantia, 
respectively). We're number seven in percentages of Cantons with 21 
percent. And for percentages of shires, we're number 12 at 44 percent. The 
total averages by adding all kingdoms is: 21% baronial, 20% canton, 50% 
shire, and 11% other. As a kingdom, Ansteorra has: 30% baronial, 21% 
cantons, 44% shires, and 5% other. So we're baronial-heavy and a little 
light in shires and "other" groups (though probably if we sat down and 
counted up all the dormant colleges that might change a bit).

I'd really like to take the time and figure out the square miles (or some 
other logical number) covered by each kingdom, and the actual number of 
persons living there, and the number of persons per square mile, and 
compare kingdoms across the board to see which ones really are "large" or 
"small" for their areas, possible population, etc. Only then can real 
meaning be placed behind these numbers.

Estrill
continuously opinionated
 




From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Thu Aug 21 16:40:42 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <KBOCEPCBEMIKPGAA@mailcity.com>


I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.

Nell

------------------------------

I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you 
don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.

I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather 
have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than 
have 3 bland "formula" events.

Yours,
Michael Silverhands



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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Thu Aug 21 18:30:24 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:30:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
References: <KBOCEPCBEMIKPGAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3684c$fe6d8760$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

I believe that would be called a multi group event.  They are allowed.  But,
I think, you have to get Kingdom approval.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth Turner" <nellwynn0 at lycos.com>
To: "ansteorra list" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:40 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events


>
> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or
shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as a
required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the perfect
solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>
> Nell
>
> ------------------------------
>
> I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you
> don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.
>
> I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather
> have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than
> have 3 bland "formula" events.
>
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands
>
>
>
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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 21 20:05:12 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:05:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <007801c36793$d834d3a0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030822030512.3761.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com>



Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
>You said, "more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun at
>events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they >end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something
>else...".

>Those crisis management or something else's might have just as easily been
>taken care of by someone else, IF given the chance, opportunity or perhaps a
>bit of guidance.

People ARE given the chance...they have the chance everytime a problem comes up...they are just not confident enough or just don't want to deal with stuff so instead of following procedure, asking advice, or doing the research themselves...they run to an "authority" to handle it...

I'm not saying that there aren't situations that we need the immediate attention of authority for...anything dealing with legal issues needs to be taken to the chain of command immediately...

I'm talking about personality conflicts, timing issues, or even just discontent...

> But as we have talked before, some folks just keep
>jumping into the fire till they get a grumpy golden brown. I guarantee you
>that one of two things would have happened had that peer not been there: 1)
>someone else would have taken care of it, or 2) folks would have just lived
>with it.

I seem to understand from this comment that you think the Peers are jumping in without allowing others to take care of it...and I was coming from the direct opposite point of view...that people draw in the Peers too quickly at times...instead of working through things themselves...

and ya know...both viewpoints are valid...!

>Teaching is what we do, or at least I thought so. That should also include
>letting folks do what they have been tought or let them do on the job
>training.


Very true...and sometimes that means standing back and watching the "kids" make their mistakes and sometimes it means teaching by example...


>So, it was a self infected wound. By their continuing to jump in the fire,
>the deprived some one of the opportunity to feel the heat some to get use to
>it. Folks get use to haveing someone take care of things to the point the
>one doing the taking care of walks off. That's a terrible loss, but it
>dosen't seem to bring things to a hault nor change the nature of the beast.

In some ways it is a self perpetuating thing...but you might consider that any time a Peer walks away...they will be called down 7 ways to sunday about how they abrogated their responsibilities and cussed for being a "bad Peer"...tell ya what....I've got that T-Shirt...and unfortunately it is a large part of being a Peer...like being a parent...you have to be able to "fade the heat"...for your every action, non-action and reaction...you also have to figure out when to give advice, when to let the little birds fly...and when to walk away...not an easy thing...

>To add to this sad fact of life, it's not just peers this sort of thing
>happens to either.


I'm sure it even happens to Gillis ;-)


>Did that help?


It helped me...I really did not understand where you were coming from on that one...

Thanks for the response...


>Gilli

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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Thu Aug 21 20:22:04 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:22:04 -0500
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <20030822030512.3761.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3685c$90d27f20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Yep, it sure does happen to Gillis too.

People will say or do as they please.  Even as hard skined as I appear to
be, it is sometimes hard to ignore some things that are said and even
implied by the way they are said.  Some times I really do admire the outward
appearance politicans can give on personal attacks and the like.

But one should ask ones self, "If I walk away, who benifits?"

As it is true, that people will say and do as they please, they will also
have opinons and attitudes on various subjects. I'm not too sure any of
those have been changed on this list.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:05 PM
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


>
>
> Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
> >You said, "more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun
at
> >events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they
>end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something
> >else...".
>
> >Those crisis management or something else's might have just as easily
been
> >taken care of by someone else, IF given the chance, opportunity or
perhaps a
> >bit of guidance.
>
> People ARE given the chance...they have the chance everytime a problem
comes up...they are just not confident enough or just don't want to deal
with stuff so instead of following procedure, asking advice, or doing the
research themselves...they run to an "authority" to handle it...
>
> I'm not saying that there aren't situations that we need the immediate
attention of authority for...anything dealing with legal issues needs to be
taken to the chain of command immediately...
>
> I'm talking about personality conflicts, timing issues, or even just
discontent...
>
> > But as we have talked before, some folks just keep
> >jumping into the fire till they get a grumpy golden brown. I guarantee
you
> >that one of two things would have happened had that peer not been there:
1)
> >someone else would have taken care of it, or 2) folks would have just
lived
> >with it.
>
> I seem to understand from this comment that you think the Peers are
jumping in without allowing others to take care of it...and I was coming
from the direct opposite point of view...that people draw in the Peers too
quickly at times...instead of working through things themselves...
>
> and ya know...both viewpoints are valid...!
>
> >Teaching is what we do, or at least I thought so. That should also
include
> >letting folks do what they have been tought or let them do on the job
> >training.
>
>
> Very true...and sometimes that means standing back and watching the "kids"
make their mistakes and sometimes it means teaching by example...
>
>
> >So, it was a self infected wound. By their continuing to jump in the
fire,
> >the deprived some one of the opportunity to feel the heat some to get use
to
> >it. Folks get use to haveing someone take care of things to the point the
> >one doing the taking care of walks off. That's a terrible loss, but it
> >dosen't seem to bring things to a hault nor change the nature of the
beast.
>
> In some ways it is a self perpetuating thing...but you might consider that
any time a Peer walks away...they will be called down 7 ways to sunday about
how they abrogated their responsibilities and cussed for being a "bad
Peer"...tell ya what....I've got that T-Shirt...and unfortunately it is a
large part of being a Peer...like being a parent...you have to be able to
"fade the heat"...for your every action, non-action and reaction...you also
have to figure out when to give advice, when to let the little birds
fly...and when to walk away...not an easy thing...
>
> >To add to this sad fact of life, it's not just peers this sort of thing
> >happens to either.
>
>
> I'm sure it even happens to Gillis ;-)
>
>
> >Did that help?
>
>
> It helped me...I really did not understand where you were coming from on
that one...
>
> Thanks for the response...
>
>
> >Gilli
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
>
>
>
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From mtucker at airmail.net  Thu Aug 21 23:06:49 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:06:49 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
In-Reply-To: <KBOCEPCBEMIKPGAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <D121DC26-D466-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 06:40  PM, Beth Turner wrote:

>
> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or 
> shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as 
> a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the 
> perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>
> Nell
>

Au contraire, Madame! :-)

It is entirely acceptable for two or three groups of any sort - 
cantons, shires, baronies, mix-and-match - to do an event together. If 
several cantons banded together to host an event, it would most likely 
count as their "required" event.

I deliberately put "required" in quotes because, strictly speaking, 
they aren't *required* to host an event each year. Per Kingdom Law, 
they are merely required to demonstrate "regular activity". This is 
usually accomplished by hosting events, but it isn't required that you 
host an event every year, or that you do it solo. Talk to the kingdom 
seneschal if you aren't sure.

Yours,
Michael Silverhands
(former territorial Baron; former regional Seneschal; author of the 
June, 2000 edition of the Seneschal's Handbook; currently not holding 
any office whatsoever *smile*)



From mtucker at airmail.net  Fri Aug 22 00:03:55 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 02:03:55 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
In-Reply-To: <D121DC26-D466-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <CB44DA82-D46E-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>

Ah, curse the luck, quoting myself. So cut my pay. :-P

> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 06:40  PM, Beth Turner wrote:
>> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons 
>> or shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count 
>> as a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the 
>> perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>>
>> Nell
>>
>

On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 01:06  AM, Michael Tucker wrote:
> It is entirely acceptable for two or three groups of any sort - 
> cantons, shires, baronies, mix-and-match - to do an event together. If 
> several cantons banded together to host an event, it would most likely 
> count as their "required" event.
>

One minor but important point that I'd like to clarify: such an event 
*would* probably count as their "proof of activity", but it would *not* 
count against any of the sponsoring group's event limit (e.g. one event 
per year). They can still have a "solo" on-calendar event if they want 
to, in addition to the multi-group event. So, it's the best of both 
worlds.

Michael Silverhands



From IagoAH at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 04:31:50 2003
From: IagoAH at aol.com (IagoAH at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:31:50 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <1da.fb6ac39.2c775926@aol.com>

I'll be out of the next session.  I'll send an updated copy of my character 
along.

Greg


From rixende at mail2noble.com  Fri Aug 22 06:44:08 2003
From: rixende at mail2noble.com (Jhan Knebel)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 06:44:08 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Propane Heater Recall
Message-ID: <fa5801c368b3$75ba1570$0a04010a@mail2world.com>

Greetings Ansteorra!
 
I received this recall notice, and figured that it could easily affect
numerous Ansteorrans.  If you purchased one of these heaters from
Academy, please follow the instructions!
 
In Service,
Rixende
 
http://www.safetyalerts.com/recall/p/02/p0013182.htm
 
The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission announces the following
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Units: About 40,400

Manufacturer: Academy Sports and Outdoors, of Katy, Texas

Hazard: The heaters can emit high levels of carbon monoxide (CO), posing
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Incidents/Injuries: No injuries have been reported. This recall is being
conducted to prevent the possibility of injuries.

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Sold at: "Academy Sports and Outdoors" stores exclusively sold the
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From kschumach at comcast.net  Wed Aug 20 12:27:18 2003
From: kschumach at comcast.net (Kristin Schumacher)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:27:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] virus warning
Message-ID: <3F43CB96.20105@comcast.net>

Greetings and sorry for any cross-posting,
I just wanted to let you know that Norton Anti-Virus just quarantined an 
email with the W32.Dumaru at mm virus.  It had an attachment that was named 
patch.exe.  According to Norton this is a particularly nasty virus that 
destroys the programs it infects.  Since the email was quarantined, I'm 
not sure who it was from so you may want to run a virus scan on your 
system.  Luckily I was able to stop it from doing anything to my system 
due to Norton. 

in service,
Ly Annabel Kincaid




From Medicfem at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 07:37:16 2003
From: Medicfem at aol.com (Medicfem at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:37:16 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Propane Heater Recall
Message-ID: <5B59D7A4.0DF592BE.0079E0D6@aol.com>

Thank You! I happen to own the exact model mentioned. I appreciate the info.

Lady Caley of Lancashire
Chirurgeon in the Shire of Seawinds
Autocrat Seawinds Defender Oct.24-26,2003


From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 10:57:35 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:57:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000601c3685c$90d27f20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030822175735.12866.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com>



Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
(snip)

>As it is true, that people will say and do as they please, they will also
>have opinons and attitudes on various subjects. I'm not too sure any of
>those have been changed on this list.

I think that the great thing about this list is that all the people who read it will see that there is no ONE point of view...and there is no ONE authority on any given subject...and so they will read the stuff here...and be able to form a better opinion or be more effective for themselves and their group because they have seen more than one point of view...

I have also seen people be able to bring out their perceptions and have them validated...or dispelled here...which I think is a good thing...

>Gilli
Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.


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From medievalbelle at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 11:34:12 2003
From: medievalbelle at yahoo.com (Stacy E. Dickey)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:34:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
Message-ID: <20030822183412.3292.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings all,

   I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdo armourer in
attendance at Defender this year. Duke Andreas Icefalcon will be
selling armour and rattan, sharing merchant space with Spiers
Saddlery. If you have any specific pieces you'd like him to bring,
please contact me <colete at stickjock.com> and I'll arrange it.


Pour Dieu, Roi, et Pays...
Madame Colete d'Evreux


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From valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 12:52:08 2003
From: valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com (John Yates)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:52:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
In-Reply-To: <20030822183412.3292.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030822195208.25881.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com>

   There's another reason to make this year's Defender
my first event to make there. He has been a long-time
member of the Arnour Archive, and it would be cool to
meet him in person.

Valstarr


--- "Stacy E. Dickey" <medievalbelle at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greetings all,
> 
>    I'm pleased to mention we will have an East
> Kingdo armourer in
> attendance at Defender this year. Duke Andreas
> Icefalcon will be
> selling armour and rattan, sharing merchant space
> with Spiers
> Saddlery. If you have any specific pieces you'd like
> him to bring,
> please contact me <colete at stickjock.com> and I'll
> arrange it.
> 
> 
> Pour Dieu, Roi, et Pays...
> Madame Colete d'Evreux
> 
> 
> =====
> 
> "Speak softly and carry a big stick." ~T.R.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From Ciard49 at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 13:00:51 2003
From: Ciard49 at aol.com (Ciard49 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:00:51 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
Message-ID: <ac.46562dc0.2c77d073@aol.com>



> I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdom armourer in
> attendance at Defender this year.

Which Defender would that be, please?

Ciard


From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 22 13:44:27 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:44:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
References: <ac.46562dc0.2c77d073@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE68FkuutSgcO00000463@hotmail.com>

hehe...

ElfSea Defender.

Here's his armour:

http://www.icefalcon.com/

Morgan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Ciard49 at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender


> 
> 
> > I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdom armourer in
> > attendance at Defender this year.
> 
> Which Defender would that be, please?
> 
> Ciard
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From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Fri Aug 22 14:53:48 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:53:48 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <OJCJHIHLBIBPPGAA@mailcity.com>


Merci beaucoup, Monsieur

Obviously I was misinformed all around.  I guess if you want to be sure of something, you need to look it up yourself.  <sigh>

In service,
Nell


--------- Original Message ---------

DATE: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:06:49
From: Michael Tucker <mtucker at airmail.net>
To: nellwynn0 at lycos.com,"Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Cc: 

>
>On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 06:40  PM, Beth Turner wrote:
>
>>
>> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or 
>> shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as 
>> a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the 
>> perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>>
>> Nell
>>
>
>Au contraire, Madame! :-)
>
>It is entirely acceptable for two or three groups of any sort - 
>cantons, shires, baronies, mix-and-match - to do an event together. If 
>several cantons banded together to host an event, it would most likely 
>count as their "required" event.
>
>I deliberately put "required" in quotes because, strictly speaking, 
>they aren't *required* to host an event each year. Per Kingdom Law, 
>they are merely required to demonstrate "regular activity". This is 
>usually accomplished by hosting events, but it isn't required that you 
>host an event every year, or that you do it solo. Talk to the kingdom 
>seneschal if you aren't sure.
>
>Yours,
>Michael Silverhands
>(former territorial Baron; former regional Seneschal; author of the 
>June, 2000 edition of the Seneschal's Handbook; currently not holding 
>any office whatsoever *smile*)
>
>



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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 15:41:08 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:41:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE68FkuutSgcO00000463@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030822224108.43286.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>

Glad to see he's back from the sandbox...
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
hehe...

ElfSea Defender.

Here's his armour:

http://www.icefalcon.com/

Morgan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender


> 
> 
> > I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdom armourer in
> > attendance at Defender this year.
> 
> Which Defender would that be, please?
> 
> Ciard
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From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 02:04:23 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 02:04:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby
Message-ID: <20030823090423.29904.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com>

oh!  Sally's water just broke!  We are going to be at Craig Hospital, 801 N. Foreman st.  Vinita, OK.  918-256-7551, under Sally Stewart.
Yeah!!!
Robert and Sally



Lord Skerri Valtorsson
Knight Marshall
Incipient Canton of Chemin Noir
Barony of Northkeep
Kingdom of Ansteorra

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From IagoAH at aol.com  Sat Aug 23 06:02:37 2003
From: IagoAH at aol.com (IagoAH at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:02:37 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <fb.4553e4f9.2c78bfed@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/22/03 6:34:10 AM Central Daylight Time, IagoAH at aol.com 
writes:


> I'll be out of the next session.  I'll send an updated copy of my character 
> 
> along.
> 
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
> 

Sorry folks this was written in a "reply all" to a gaming group. Don't know 
how addresses got changed to the ansteorra list. 

Iago


From LrdWayland at aol.com  Sun Aug 24 00:02:59 2003
From: LrdWayland at aol.com (LrdWayland at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 03:02:59 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX
Message-ID: <134.24331130.2c79bd23@aol.com>

Greetings,
 I heard there was some bit of a discussion on this list about who all went 
to Estrella War. I must have missed the thread, but I sure haven't missed the 
event.
 Many of us from Seawinds have been going to this event for several years. We 
usually bring around 6 or more people, once we fielded 10 (I think) fighters 
under the Ansteorran banner. We've gone as a Seawinds unit at times, however, 
in the past three years we've fought as Legio Australis.
 If you were there at the last Estrella, you may have seen our encampment. We 
set up with our Outlands allies and erected two 3-story wooden towers as our 
camp entrance. I cannot say enough about the wonderful hospitality shown to us 
over the many years by our wonderful Outlands neighbors. They welcome us as 
long lost brothers and are very thankful for our continued support. 
 Seawinds/Legio aren't the only Ansteorrans there by any means. I've seen 
many from our Kingdom fighting in other units, such as the Fray and as 
Ansteorrans with our Crown at times.
 The event itself is totally awesome, great battles where warriors from 
Ansteorra shine upon the battlefield through our heroic deeds. I've heard fighters 
from other kingdoms talking about us at the days end. Ansteorrans have a well 
earned reputation as honorable and extremely deadly opponents. I hope that 
even more will join us there next year to help keep our reputation alive & 
strong. 
 Our Outlands brothers have supported us at Gulf War, so please, let's do our 
Kingdom proud by continuing to support them, make that extra effort to attend 
Estrella War XX in Feb 2004.

Wayland
commander/Leg-Aus
Lt. Seawinds Shire Guard


From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 24 04:32:13 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 04:32:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <20030824113213.59140.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com>

We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures today or tomorrow!


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Incipient Canton of Chemin Noir
Barony of Northkeep
Kingdom of Ansteorra

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From isabeau at ansteorra.net  Sun Aug 24 07:42:40 2003
From: isabeau at ansteorra.net (isabeau)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:42:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <200308240942.AA225902792@ansteorra.net>

Wonderful!  (sorry about the c-section, though. they suck.)  August is a great month for birthdays, I had my twins on Aug 11th. 18 years ago (yikes!)

Congratulations to all and a big Welcome to Heather Louise :)

Isabeau
>We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures today or tomorrow!
>
>
>Lord Skerri Valtorsson
>Knight Marshall
>Incipient Canton of Chemin Noir
>Barony of Northkeep
>Kingdom of Ansteorra
>
>Praise no sword before wet, no ale before drunk, nor ice before crossed
>
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From isabeau at ansteorra.net  Sun Aug 24 07:56:19 2003
From: isabeau at ansteorra.net (isabeau)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:56:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <200308240956.AA259916076@ansteorra.net>

Welcome Heather Louise!


>We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures today or tomorrow!


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From cnetterville at ih2000.net  Sun Aug 24 08:32:16 2003
From: cnetterville at ih2000.net (charles netterville)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:32:16 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
References: <200308240956.AA259916076@ansteorra.net>
Message-ID: <001101c36a54$e7b064c0$266222d1@g1w3z6>

Congratulations and welcome to the newest subject of Ansteorra.
    August is indeed a wonderful time to be born. I did it myself on the
26th almost 37 years ago. The arrival of new life and unbounded joy is the
perfect way to celebrate one's birthday. Tell little Heather Louise thank
you for giving me just that opportunity this year. And unto the undoubtedly
beaming and proud parents, I say VIVAT!!! The fun begins now. In joyous
service, Elrique of Bordermarch
----- Original Message -----
From: "isabeau" <isabeau at ansteorra.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] baby update


> Welcome Heather Louise!
>
>
> >We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather
Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the
hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be
there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures
today or tomorrow!
>
>
> --
> Do not worry about what people are thinking about you--for they are not
thinking about you. They are wondering what you are thinking about them.
>
>
>
> --
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>
>




From cnetterville at ih2000.net  Sun Aug 24 08:45:38 2003
From: cnetterville at ih2000.net (charles netterville)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:45:38 -0500
Subject: Fw: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <002001c36a56$c4faac40$266222d1@g1w3z6>


----- Original Message -----
From: "charles netterville" <cnetterville at ih2000.net>
To: <isabeau at ansteorra.net>; "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
<ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] baby update


> Congratulations and welcome to the newest subject of Ansteorra.
>     August is indeed a wonderful time to be born. I did it myself on the
> 26th almost 37 years ago. The arrival of new life and unbounded joy is the
> perfect way to celebrate one's birthday. Tell little Heather Louise thank
> you for giving me just that opportunity this year. And unto the
undoubtedly
> beaming and proud parents, I say VIVAT!!! The fun begins now. In joyous
> service, Elrique of Bordermarch
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "isabeau" <isabeau at ansteorra.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] baby update
>
>
> > Welcome Heather Louise!
> >
> >
> > >We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather
> Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the
> hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be
> there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures
> today or tomorrow!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Do not worry about what people are thinking about you--for they are not
> thinking about you. They are wondering what you are thinking about them.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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> >
> >
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From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Sun Aug 24 09:05:04 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:05:04 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
In-Reply-To: <001101c36a54$e7b064c0$266222d1@g1w3z6>
Message-ID: <B95EF66D-D64C-11D7-83D5-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 10:32 AM, charles netterville wrote:
> Congratulations and welcome to the newest subject of Ansteorra.
>     August is indeed a wonderful time to be born. I did it myself on 
> the
> 26th almost 37 years ago. The arrival of new life and unbounded joy is 
> the
> perfect way to celebrate one's birthday. Tell little Heather Louise 
> thank
> you for giving me just that opportunity this year. And unto the 
> undoubtedly
> beaming and proud parents, I say VIVAT!!! The fun begins now. In joyous
> service, Elrique of Bordermarch

Greetings Elrique,

Congratulations, it seems we share the same birthday!

For those in the SCA who now have a baby there are a few files in the 
Florilegium that might be of interest. I highly recommend those that 
detail how to keep your baby safe at SCA camping events and those that 
might help ease the work of caring for your children. Here are a few 
from the CHILDREN section:
babies-msg       (103K)  2/ 2/01    Camping with babies.
baby-gifts-msg    (20K)  4/13/98    Period-type and SCA-useful baby 
gifts.
baby-slings-msg    (9K)  2/ 2/01    Cloth slings for carrying your baby.
child-wagons-msg   (7K)  9/27/99    Wagons for hauling children at 
events.
p-cradles-msg      (5K)  9/ 7/01    Period baby cradles.
teething-toys-msg (22K)  1/ 5/01    Period and SCA teething toys for 
infants.

And for those whose babies are still on the way:
pregnancy-msg      (9K)  9/ 3/99    Pregnancy in period. Handling it in 
the SCA.

...and for those who would like to start such a project in the future:
aphrodisiacs-msg  (15K)  7/31/01    Medieval aphrodisiacs.

Stefan
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    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
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From vscribe at ansteorra.org  Sun Aug 24 15:50:20 2003
From: vscribe at ansteorra.org (Ansteorra Virtual Scribe)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:50:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX
References: <134.24331130.2c79bd23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <028301c36a92$38c30420$31baee0c@c59303a>

I am looking forward to going again. But as Morgan stated below, we really
did not see many Ansteorrans. We hunted for about 2 hours through all the
campsites looking at all the banners. We found old Ansteorran's that moved
to other kingdoms, thank god for remembering old heraldry *grin*, but no one
current.

It was not until much later while shopping that I saw one of our siege
engines and a few members. I was very happy to see them. Then later still,
yes, the towers, I found them, I went the vigil, what a vigil it was. I have
to say. It has been at least a decade since I have seen a vigil like that.
He was indeed a well loved man. :)

I hope to be at Estrella 2004, although, hubby was not very happy when he
realized that 2003 happened to fall on the weekend of Valentines just a few
days before I was to depart even though I had discussed it with him and
purchased my tickets in 2002. Men, and you think we women confuse you, sigh.
;)

And yes, I will be teaching my glove class again, already getting many
inquiries! Yes, I will be taking orders for kits this time.

Chiara
Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <LrdWayland at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 2:02 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX


: Greetings,
:  I heard there was some bit of a discussion on this list about who all
went
: to Estrella War. I must have missed the thread, but I sure haven't missed
the
: event.
:  Many of us from Seawinds have been going to this event for several years.
We
: usually bring around 6 or more people, once we fielded 10 (I think)
fighters
: under the Ansteorran banner. We've gone as a Seawinds unit at times,
however,
: in the past three years we've fought as Legio Australis.
:  If you were there at the last Estrella, you may have seen our encampment.
We
: set up with our Outlands allies and erected two 3-story wooden towers as
our
: camp entrance. I cannot say enough about the wonderful hospitality shown
to us
: over the many years by our wonderful Outlands neighbors. They welcome us
as
: long lost brothers and are very thankful for our continued support.
:  Seawinds/Legio aren't the only Ansteorrans there by any means. I've seen
: many from our Kingdom fighting in other units, such as the Fray and as
: Ansteorrans with our Crown at times.
:  The event itself is totally awesome, great battles where warriors from
: Ansteorra shine upon the battlefield through our heroic deeds. I've heard
fighters
: from other kingdoms talking about us at the days end. Ansteorrans have a
well
: earned reputation as honorable and extremely deadly opponents. I hope that
: even more will join us there next year to help keep our reputation alive &
: strong.
:  Our Outlands brothers have supported us at Gulf War, so please, let's do
our
: Kingdom proud by continuing to support them, make that extra effort to
attend
: Estrella War XX in Feb 2004.
:
: Wayland
: commander/Leg-Aus
: Lt. Seawinds Shire Guard
: _______________________________________________


Chiara
Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <morgancain at earthlink.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events


: I thought there were only six of us there - Chiara, Big Morgan, Master
Etc.
: Modius, and Their Majesties - because excepting Morgan (whom Chiara saw
: elsewhere) there were only five of us in court, and I didn't see any other
: specifically Ansteorran people there that I recall.
:
: I guessed there were more when I saw more than the two of us (Chiara and
: myself) listed on the volunteer posting post-war.  If you saw a
waterbearer
: in an Ansteorran tabard at Estrella this past year, it was one of us.
:
: I think the reason we-all didn't think the others were there is that
unlike
: last year, there wasn't a specifically Ansteorran Camp onsite.
:
:                              ---= Morgan
:
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: > Three attended from Northkeep... myself, Marcus Quietly,
: > and Lynn the Inquisitive.
: >
: > -zubeydah
: >
: > Karolus writes:
: >
: > I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf,
: but
: > I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I
think
: > we had the 8 in the rental car at War.
: >
: > Karolus
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From DonPieter at aol.com  Sun Aug 24 16:09:32 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:09:32 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <e.34b000ff.2c7a9fac@aol.com>

Does the site for gothic have a street address?

Pieter Rausch


From chiang at odsy.net  Sun Aug 24 21:37:40 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:37:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <e.34b000ff.2c7a9fac@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004001c36ac2$9ef40de0$5a50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

Not that I know of it. Do you need directions on how to get there? There is
a website with directions and information on this great event:
http://www.geocities.com/crossrodekeep/GothicWarXII/ . Hope this helps.
Yours in service,
HE Chiang

----- Original Message -----
From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 6:09 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address


> Does the site for gothic have a street address?
>
> Pieter Rausch





From ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 24 22:05:31 2003
From: ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net (Phelippe Descors)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:05:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War
Message-ID: <20030825050531.95254.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com>

Can someone please post the price to get into Gothic. 
There are no prices listed on the website.

     Phelippe


From dirkthedead at cox.net  Sun Aug 24 22:56:22 2003
From: dirkthedead at cox.net (Dirk the Dead)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:56:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War
References: <20030825050531.95254.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c36acd$9d0fbc80$68216d44@dl.cox.net>




Site is $12 ($3 Non-member fee)  Kids 5-12 are $5

Dirk the All Knowing

> Can someone please post the price to get into Gothic. 
> There are no prices listed on the website.
> 
>      Phelippe



From chiang at odsy.net  Sun Aug 24 22:55:17 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:55:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War
References: <20030825050531.95254.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006501c36acd$768714f0$5a50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

The prices are $12 for adults, $5 for kids 5-12, $3 NMS. I am not sure about
a family cap, but will see what I can find out, but most likely will be
about the same price as three adults.
Chiang, the ever helpful, well mostly anyway

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phelippe Descors" <ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 12:05 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War


> Can someone please post the price to get into Gothic.
> There are no prices listed on the website.
>
>      Phelippe





From edrei at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 25 04:32:11 2003
From: edrei at earthlink.net (David  Backlin)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:32:11 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] FINAL COUNTDOWN!!
Message-ID: <002d01c36afc$87c5dce0$d02afea9@gateway>

We are approaching the final countdown to Mid Summer Knights Dream in
Smythkepe. Can you believe it's this weekend?? My how time flies.

We have a lot of things planned: fighting (heavy and light), classes
(including COGA classes), a quest, bardic competition and so much more (and
of COURSE there's an anvil toss... would we forget the anvil toss?) Annnnnd,
it's a full weekend event as well, so you can come down Friday night and
have two full days of fun and excitment (or 2 full days of shopping the
merchants if that's what you like;) ).

We are getting ready to bring you the largest MSKD in recent memory, but
something is missing: YOU!!

Our Autocrat, Frederick has been fretting himself purple preparing for his
event, making sure everything will go on as planned.

Our feastocrat Geoffrey is slaving away in a hot kitchen preparing a
sumptious feast for everyone. If you don't come, he'll be very disappointed.


So come on down to our place for the weekend and share some Smythkepe
hospitality.

More details are available at the following website: www.smythkeeptavern.org


MSKD XI. This weekend! Be here! Aloha!




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From rs_teke at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 10:05:33 2003
From: rs_teke at yahoo.com (Christine Grosvenor)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:05:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for Armor
In-Reply-To: <200308251700.h7PH03a01083@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <20030825170533.83527.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com>

The Shire of Tempio is looking to purchase used or
inexpensive armor for the use of loaner gear.  If any
groups or individuals have any gear they would like to
sell, please contact me off the list with information
on the items, their condition, and what you would want
for them.  rs_teke at yahoo.com

In Service, 
Renee' Grosvenor
Shire of Tempio

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From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 10:13:43 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:13:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby
Message-ID: <20030825171343.94874.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks, you alls, that is interesting about three now having the same b-day!  Virgos outweigh others in annis and mine's families.  Wonder what we were all doing in the winter?


Lord Skerri Valtorsson
Knight Marshall
Incipient Canton of Chemin Noir
Barony of Northkeep
Kingdom of Ansteorra

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From morgancain at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 25 10:18:59 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (morgancain at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:18:59 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX 
Message-ID: <184670-220038125171859744@M2W047.mail2web.com>

Has anybody thought of having a Kingdom camp at Estrella as is done
(mostly) at Pennsic?  Or is that heresy?

                     ---= the littler Morgan from Steppes


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From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 25 15:39:41 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:39:41 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030825173533.013b3cc4@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 11:37 PM 8/24/03 -0500, you wrote:

>Not that I know of it. Do you need directions on how to get there? There is
>a website with directions and information on this great event:
>http://www.geocities.com/crossrodekeep/GothicWarXII/ . Hope this helps.
>Yours in service,
>HE Chiang


Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
bottom, rather than the top.

	-Tivar Moondragon
	obsessive cartographer


From jtc at swordworks.org  Mon Aug 25 15:49:12 2003
From: jtc at swordworks.org (James Crouchet)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:49:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <3F43BF26.26650.791D5D@localhost>
References: <3F43BF26.26650.791D5D@localhost>
Message-ID: <200308251749.12282.jtc@swordworks.org>

On Wednesday 20 August 2003 06:34 pm, Elizabeth Crouchet wrote:

> This increase in population is good for the SCA but it is straining  the
> resources of individual groups in the kingdom.  >IF< Ansteorra divided
> >right now< into two kingdoms, they would still be of a comparable size
> as far as numbers of groups goes, with other SCA kingdoms. That is why
> our calendar is more crowded than those kingdom's calendars. I just hope
> that our population size makes it possible for us to host successfully
> that many more events at a time.

Well, we are much bigger than a small kingdom like the Outlands with ony 30 
groups but large kingdoms have as many groups as us. The East, for 
example, which has something like 75 groups in 4 regions. The Middle has 
84 in 4 regions and that does not count the 35 in the soon to be kingdom 
of Northshield. Yes, those are big kingdoms but they manage their calendar 
somehow. Perhaps we should look over some of their ideas and see if they 
are worth stealing. ;-)

Besides, if a new kingdom splits off from the Middle they only have to stop 
being from the Middle. If a new kingdom split off from Ansteorra they 
would have to stop being Ansteorran!

;-)

CD




From jtc at swordworks.org  Mon Aug 25 15:51:52 2003
From: jtc at swordworks.org (James Crouchet)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:51:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question
In-Reply-To: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
References: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200308251751.52841.jtc@swordworks.org>

On Wednesday 20 August 2003 10:55 pm, Elaine Crittenden wrote:
> An impish little thought just jumped into my brain:
>
> Why couldn't a Barony which has an extra event date they don't want to
> use barter the date to another group that wants a date and can't because
> of limitations? I am thinking along the lines of politicians who have a
> certain number of minutes to speak and yield part or all of the time the
> former is alotted to another politician for the latter's use.
>
> Next question:
> Now just what could one barter for time? Hmmmmm. Interesting
> ponderance...

I can see it now: a thriving new business in black market calendar dates.

;-)

Dor?




From celestria_ledragon at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 16:20:22 2003
From: celestria_ledragon at yahoo.com (Celestria LeDragon)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:20:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Book of Hours Exhibition
Message-ID: <20030825232022.61237.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings,
 
At the Kimball Museum in Fort Worth during October 12, 2003?January 18, 2004 they will have 58 pages of books of hours including The luxuriant Hours of Catherine of Cleves.
Here is the website.
 
http://www.kimbellart.org/exhibitions/exh_file.cfm?id=100
 
 
In Service
Lady Celestria leDragon




 


From DonPieter at aol.com  Mon Aug 25 16:29:35 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:29:35 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <136.23875a53.2c7bf5df@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/25/2003 5:43:40 PM Central Standard Time, 
moondrgn at austin.rr.com writes:

> 
> Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
> bottom, rather than the top.
> 
>   -Tivar Moondragon
>   obsessive cartographer
> 

Yre, I looked at it and figured that. 
Pieter
Another obsessive cartographer


From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 25 17:43:46 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:43:46 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <BAY1-F44bj36Kn1FS7400009da1@hotmail.com>

Is is "just" upside down or is it upside down and backwards? Not that sure 
of west Ansteorra.

plachoya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra

>
>
>Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
>bottom, rather than the top.
>
>	-Tivar Moondragon
>	obsessive cartographer

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From cellach at breezykilt.com  Mon Aug 25 18:03:37 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:03:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <052601c36b6d$eddf7d80$1108a8c0@bobby>

> Besides, if a new kingdom splits off from the Middle they only have to stop
> being from the Middle. If a new kingdom split off from Ansteorra they
> would have to stop being Ansteorran!


Clearly, this is the most persuasive bit of argument I've yet to hear on this subject!

Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!


From valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 18:57:44 2003
From: valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com (John Yates)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>

   Missed most of the many posts in this thread  for
the past couple of weeks, but the last couple that
mentioned a kingdom coming out of Ansteorra would have
the people stop calling themselves Ansteorrans.
  Can you see the conversation:
1. "You stop being an  Ansteorran!"
2. "No, YOU stop being an Ansteorran!"
   A little levity (hopefully,) in your Monday
evening.

Regards,
Valstarr


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From ferret at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 25 19:34:17 2003
From: ferret at hot.rr.com (Paul DeLisle)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:34:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CCEDJGIDBGOMKABAAKMBMECMEDAA.ferret@hot.rr.com>

>    Missed most of the many posts in this thread  for
> the past couple of weeks, but the last couple that
> mentioned a kingdom coming out of Ansteorra would have
> the people stop calling themselves Ansteorrans.
>   Can you see the conversation:
> 1. "You stop being an  Ansteorran!"
> 2. "No, YOU stop being an Ansteorran!"
>    A little levity (hopefully,) in your Monday evening.
> Regards, Valstarr

....But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head, and
every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks we're
too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split when
somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
Alden
(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )




From PKieferjr at aol.com  Mon Aug 25 19:47:31 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:47:31 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <1c1.e206ce3.2c7c2443@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time, 
ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head, and
every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks we're
too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split when
somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
Alden
(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....

...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?  
Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a 
nuke on us.

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
(Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)


From swieland at direcway.com  Mon Aug 25 20:17:47 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:17:47 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:  Was
	Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <1c1.e206ce3.2c7c2443@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>

At 10:47 PM 8/25/03 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
>ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
>But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
>least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head, and
>every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks we're
>too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split when
>somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
>Alden
>(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
>Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....
>
>...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?
>Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
>nuke on us.
>
>Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
>(Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)

Heh heh.....reminds me of the mundane country-western song called "I'm in a 
Texas State of Mind"...

Damaris
(wearing asbestos armor for the flames from the Oklahoman 
Ansteorrans)  (geez this is getting complicated) 




From chiang at odsy.net  Mon Aug 25 20:54:12 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:54:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <BAY1-F44bj36Kn1FS7400009da1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c36b85$b6ca9ce0$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

Hey! No picking on us from the Western Region. I personally shall punish the
one who was responsible for doing the map.
So turn the map over, use it and come to Gothic. Have as much fun as allowed
by law.
Chiang, staunch defender of the Western Region

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Bilings" <humble_archer at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address


> Is is "just" upside down or is it upside down and backwards? Not that sure
> of west Ansteorra.
>
> plachoya
>
> humble archer
> Ravens Fort Ansteorra
>
> >
> >
> >Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
> >bottom, rather than the top.
> >
> > -Tivar Moondragon
> > obsessive cartographer





From chiang at odsy.net  Mon Aug 25 20:57:11 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:57:11 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
	WasEvent Limits
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <007201c36b86$21213540$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

And was there not a song "You're the reason God made Oklahoma"
Chiang, closet country fan

----- Original Message -----
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
WasEvent Limits


>
> Heh heh.....reminds me of the mundane country-western song called "I'm in
a
> Texas State of Mind"...
>
> Damaris
> (wearing asbestos armor for the flames from the Oklahoman
> Ansteorrans)  (geez this is getting complicated)
>




From dirkthedead at cox.net  Mon Aug 25 21:23:21 2003
From: dirkthedead at cox.net (Dirk the Dead)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:23:21 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <BAY1-F44bj36Kn1FS7400009da1@hotmail.com>
	<006c01c36b85$b6ca9ce0$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>
Message-ID: <004101c36b89$c8d1f380$68216d44@dl.cox.net>


Wow.. I didn't even realize it was upside down adn I live out here.. Of
course, having been to the site a few times, I wasn't to worried about the
map part (well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it)


Oh, and you can (and possibly will) have more fun than is allowed by law..
just don't get caught.....

...within reason of course.....


Dirk the very possibly soon to be Lost




> Hey! No picking on us from the Western Region. I personally shall punish
the
> one who was responsible for doing the map.
> So turn the map over, use it and come to Gothic. Have as much fun as
allowed
> by law.
> Chiang, staunch defender of the Western Region
>



From ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 25 21:46:13 2003
From: ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net (Lady Deirdre)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:46:13 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
References: <1c1.e206ce3.2c7c2443@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c36b8c$fac7d6e0$c27f8a42@gateway.2wire.net>

I will always be Ansteorran, even though I currently reside in another
kingdom.
Deirdre

----- Original Message -----
From: <PKieferjr at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits


> In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
> ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
> But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
> least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head,
and
> every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks
we're
> too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split
when
> somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
> Alden
> (Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
> Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....
>
> ...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a
location?
> Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
> nuke on us.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
> (Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From cchipman at nomadics.com  Mon Aug 25 21:46:57 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:46:57 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
	WasEvent Limits
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <00f701c36b8d$14a5d940$0f00000a@nomadics.com>

Eh, there's already enough dead horses around here...

JP,
Okla-Ansteorran-who's-going-to-gothic-this-weekend-are-you-happy-Chiang-


Carl Chipman
Nomadics, Inc.
cchipman at nomadics.com
http://www.nomadics.com


-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Susan Wieland
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:18 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
WasEvent Limits

At 10:47 PM 8/25/03 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
>ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
>But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
>least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head,
and
>every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks
we're
>too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split
when
>somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
>Alden
>(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
>Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....
>
>...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a
location?
>Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they
dropped a
>nuke on us.
>
>Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
>(Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)

Heh heh.....reminds me of the mundane country-western song called "I'm
in a 
Texas State of Mind"...

Damaris
(wearing asbestos armor for the flames from the Oklahoman 
Ansteorrans)  (geez this is getting complicated) 


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From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 25 22:09:08 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:09:08 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] dead horses
In-Reply-To: <00f701c36b8d$14a5d940$0f00000a@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <6C3FFEF0-D783-11D7-83D5-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 11:46 PM, Carl Chipman wrote:
> Eh, there's already enough dead horses around here...
Well, might as well make use of them. See this file in the Florilegium:
horse-recipes-msg (32K)  3/ 2/03    Period horse recipes. References.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-MEATS/horse-recipes-msg.html

Hmmm. What evidence do we have for leather made from horsehide in 
period?
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
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From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 26 03:20:06 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 05:20:06 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <BAY1-F145VHXZ6nuHWk00002a5d@hotmail.com>

Not picking. I knew the map was upside down but not if it is backwards.

plachooya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra
>
>Hey! No picking on us from the Western Region. I personally shall punish 
>the
>one who was responsible for doing the map.
>So turn the map over, use it and come to Gothic. Have as much fun as 
>allowed
>by law.
>Chiang, staunch defender of the Western Region
>

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From swieland at direcway.com  Tue Aug 26 04:01:25 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 06:01:25 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom  Splitting:
	WasEvent Limits
In-Reply-To: <007201c36b86$21213540$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>

At 10:57 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:
>And was there not a song "You're the reason God made Oklahoma"
>Chiang, closet country fan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
>WasEvent Limits

I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby 
in the SCA.   It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA.  Ansteorra was 
hosting it.  We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena 
in Burnet Texas.  Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and 
was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands".  So he was doing a 
cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell.  Then he suddenly said, "How do you 
spell Ansteorra?"  My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up, 
"T-E-X-A-S".  Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and 
they were NOT amused.  LOL.

Damaris

In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is 
weird and people take Prozac to make it normal




From isobail at mail.ev1.net  Mon Aug 25 19:58:50 2003
From: isobail at mail.ev1.net (isobail)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:58:50 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] In Search of Several People
Message-ID: <200308252158.AA6553746@mail.ev1.net>


Please pardon the intrusion--
 
Could the following people please contact me at isobail at ev1.net it 
concerns the upcoming Ravensfort Defender event (September 19-22, 
2003)
 
Duke Kien
Don Robert
Lady Meriabella (spelling may be wrong--she is from Tempio and is 
our A&S champion)
Lord Nathan of Gates Edge
HL Gerald of Leesvile
HE Neassa
 
Thank you very much
 
In Service I Remain...
 
Lady Isobail inghean Gilla Chriosd
Ravensfort Reeve
isobail at ev1.net
 

________________________________________________________________
Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net


 
                   


From pippermint at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 26 07:34:25 2003
From: pippermint at sbcglobal.net (Paula Hanna)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:34:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Bonwicke's Twelfth Night & Pre-Twelfth Night College
Message-ID: <20030826143425.56235.qmail@web80213.mail.yahoo.com>

Unto the Noble State of Ansteorra does the Baroness of Bonwicke and Steward of her
Twelfth Night Celebration send greetings.

This missive will be long, but I guarantee there will be something for everyone. If
you get restless before the end, scroll to the heading that interests you most and
start reading from there. ;o) Bonwicke's Twelfth Night - set for December 13th - is
fast approaching, and we wish to invite all of Ansteorra to attend. Great things are
in store this year as we will be hosting a Masquerade Ball in addition to a whole
day brimming with activities.

The schedule is shaping up as follows:

? High Persona Chivalric Tournament and Helm Crest Competition
? Rapier Tournament and Decorated Buckler Competition
? Titled Arts and Sciences Champion of Bonwicke
? Period Sweets and Finger Foods Competition
? Masked Dance and Best Mask Competition
? Grand Italian Feast
? Pre-Twelfth Night College / Oct 18
? Other activities may include charter painting, dance classes and mask-making
activities for the children.

High Persona Chivalric Tournament and Helm Crest Competition:
---
This tournament will most likely be a tourney of counted blows with a nod to the
whim of the Ladies' Gallery. Fighters entering the list must be accompanied by a
consort and must present themselves, their consort and their helm crest (and arms,
etc.) to the gallery via herald. Feel free to display as much pomp and circumstance
in doing so as you like. Please bring your arms on a shield no larger than 8x10 for
the shield tree. The helm crest competition will be judged indoors by the populace.
Displays would be lovely. Helm crests will not have to be fought in merely presented
before the tourney.

Rapier Tournament and Decorated Buckler Competition:
---
The nature of this tournament is yet undecided, but again those who would enter the
list must have a consort, and must present themselves, their consort and their
decorated buckler to the gallery via herald. Again, pomp is always welcomed. The
decorated buckler will be judged indoors by the populace. Displays are a good thing.
---
Most likely, the helm crests and bucklers will be obtained from their displays,
presented before the gallery and returned to their displays afterwards for judging.

Titled Arts and Sciences Champion of Bonwicke:
---
I am calling all artists of Ansteorra who would vie for the title of Bonwicke's
Champion Artisan. As Twelfth Night is a Masquerade Ball, the theme of the Arts &
Sciences shall be "Celebration in Bonwicke". Whether one choses to depict a scene of
celebration, something worn or partaken of in celebration, or merely an object
bearing red and gold, Bonwicke's fair colors, is up to the artist. Be limited only
by your imagination; these are merely suggestions. Points are to be awarded on the
usage of both the theme of "celebration" and "Bonwicke". Please come bearing a
letter of intent and documentation. 

Period Sweets and Finger Foods Competition:
---
We will be holding a period sweets and finger foods contest around mid-afternoon
when the tourneys are waning and before court (and ultimately dinner). Again this
will be judged by popular vote. As the kitchen will be devoted to preparing the
feast for the evening, the food in the competition needs to be as low maintenance as
possible - preferably something that is prepared before arrival that will stand up
well at room tempurature or something that the participants have the means to handle
without the use of the kitchen (with ice chests, crock pots, warmers, etc.)

Masked Dance and Best Mask Competition:
---
This will include, obviously, dancing, and the best mask competition will again be
judged by the populace. It is undecided if the masks will be displayed for the
judging or be judged while being worn during the Ball, but details will, as always,
be forthcoming. 

Pre-Twelfth Night College:
--- 
For any wishing to attend, there will be a pre-Twelfth Night college on Saturday,
October 18th to make ready for the grand event. It will be held in the Barony of
Bonwicke (Lubbock, Tx) at the Canterbury Student Center, 2407 16th St (16th & one
block east of (Texas Tech) University Ave.). Please visit our website
(www.bonwicke.org) for updates on times and maps.

These kind people have graciously volunteered to share their knowledge October 18th:

Period Dance:
Lord William Rufus Guthrie and Lady Elisabeth Quartermain de Guthrie
and Lady Melissant d'Aulnay the Capricious (Capricia)

Mask-Making:
Lady Serafina de Gratia

Helm Crest-Making:
Lord Jasper Codrington

Buckler Construction/Decoration:
Honorable Lord Toshiro Koi

Please join us on this day to prepare for the upcoming Ball, and I look forward to
seeing everyone at Bonwicke'e Twelfth Night!

Thank you for enduring to the end of this tome. Any additional questions,
suggestions or comments may be directed to me, Baroness Oriana, at
pippermint at sbcglobal.net. And thanks go to all who have volunteered and
all who plan on attending. 

Simply,
Oriana della Francesca
Lady Bonwicke
Twelfth Night & Pre-Twelfth Night College Steward


From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 26 08:55:06 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:55:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1061913306.3f4b82da0fad0@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

If it ever happens, there will either be :

a) a principality within Ansteorra which would heve developed enough of it's 
own identity to not be bothered be not being "Ansteorra"

or

b) if the kingdom split without going through a principality stage, why not, as 
someone suggested, use something along the lines or North/South Ansteorra?  For 
that matter a principality could conceivably do the same (as in the case of 
West Virginia [a state, not a principality<G>]

As there doesn't seem to be any big push to split our kingdom, it's all 
hypothetical anyway.<G>

Ansgar

Quoting John Yates <valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com>:

>    Missed most of the many posts in this thread  for
> the past couple of weeks, but the last couple that
> mentioned a kingdom coming out of Ansteorra would have
> the people stop calling themselves Ansteorrans.
>   Can you see the conversation:
> 1. "You stop being an  Ansteorran!"
> 2. "No, YOU stop being an Ansteorran!"
>    A little levity (hopefully,) in your Monday
> evening.
> 
> Regards,
> Valstarr


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From russ at randomgang.com  Tue Aug 26 09:04:51 2003
From: russ at randomgang.com (R. Smith)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:04:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <1061913306.3f4b82da0fad0@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
References: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
	<1061913306.3f4b82da0fad0@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <5352736.1061895891@oklahoma-y03tgc.okstate.edu>



--On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:55 AM -0500 j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

> As there doesn't seem to be any big push to split our kingdom, it's all
> hypothetical anyway.<G>

Yes, I was kind of mystified where that abruptly came from.  I suppose 
perhaps people mentioning principality, but it's not a necessary conclusion 
of principalities (c.f. Principality of the Mists, et al.)

Chandra

-- 
Lord Chandranath <russ{at}randomgang.com>
Cadet to Don Timothy la Corbusier
Apprentice to Master Beorthlic Folkwineson
"Per pale sable and gules, a decrescent argent."





From Medicfem at aol.com  Tue Aug 26 10:48:06 2003
From: Medicfem at aol.com (Medicfem at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:48:06 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <10f.252c0727.2c7cf756@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/26/03 8:58:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:

> b) if the kingdom split without going through a principality stage, why 
> not, as 
> someone suggested, use something along the lines or North/South Ansteorra?  
> For 
> that matter a principality could conceivably do the same (as in the case of 
> West Virginia [a state, not a principality<G>]

Being of one of the southern most shires in this kingdom, I must reply. 
"South Ansteorra" ....  I don't like the sound of it. It is a dead horse.  
The last three groups to the south in Ansteorra are coastal shires. We are 
kind of unified. Often the only people that consistantly go to each others 
events are those from these three sister shires.  I feel when it comes to the 
breaking of a kingdom, many alliances have already been forged that would be 
difficult to break. Our motto... We keep the Kings coast... not the Prince's coast. 
with love for the mamouth size kingdom of ANSTEORRA,

Lady Caley of Lancashire
Shire of Seawinds -  Celebrating 20 years as a proud Ansteorran shire in 2004



From jerryn at houston.rr.com  Tue Aug 26 11:13:36 2003
From: jerryn at houston.rr.com (jerryn at houston.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:13:36 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: In Search of Several People
Message-ID: <16b2db16aaec.16aaec16b2db@texas.rr.com>

replied to privately

In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
HL Gerald of Leesville
Ravenskald of Ravensfort
A Bard of Stargate
Kingdom Ansteorra.



From galenbv at ix.netcom.com  Tue Aug 26 14:05:44 2003
From: galenbv at ix.netcom.com (Galen W. Bevel)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:05:44 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <410-22003822621544743@ix.netcom.com>




> On Wednesday 20 August 2003 06:34 pm, Elizabeth Crouchet wrote:
> Well, we are much bigger than a small kingdom like the Outlands with ony
30 
> groups but large kingdoms have as many groups as us. The East, for 
> example, which has something like 75 groups in 4 regions. The Middle has 
> 84 in 4 regions and that does not count the 35 in the soon to be kingdom 
> of Northshield. Yes, those are big kingdoms but they manage their
calendar 
> somehow. Perhaps we should look over some of their ideas and see if they 
> are worth stealing. ;-)
>
>
> CD
>


Years ago when I was Kingdom seneschal I checked into other Kingdom's
practices because our calendar was getting out of hand even then.  If I
remember correctly, one of the more common ways that large kingdoms handled
the problem then was to lock down their calendar very early.  My faulty
memory seems to remember that the Middle was one of these, but I could
easily be wrong.  What I mean is that _all_ events are scheduled in the
previous year.  If you want to have an event on the calendar in 2004, you
must have it approved, and all the paperwork done and turned in to the KS
in time to make the deadline so that the calendar for the entire year can
be published in the January Kingdom newsletter.  That means if you want to
have a 2004 Yule revel, you would probably have to get  the paperwork into
the kingdom by at least November 2003 so they have time to put together the
calendar and make the December 1st deadline for the January BlackStar. I
believe that some Kingdoms had an even earlier deadline,like June or so,to
allow lead time for the January events.  Taken to extremes, it could end up
meaning that you would have to do the paperwork on your event from 1.5 to 2
years in advance. Not necessarily a proponent or opponent of this idea, it
was just one that I remembered that I thought you all might like to hear.  

Graf Galen Kirchenbauer



From ulfie at cox.net  Tue Aug 26 23:25:42 2003
From: ulfie at cox.net (Ulf Gunnarsson)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:25:42 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <1061953612.2863.15.camel@chuckles.cafecanem.com>

On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby 
> in the SCA.   It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA.  Ansteorra was 
> hosting it.  We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena 
> in Burnet Texas.  Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and 
> was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands".  So he was doing a 
> cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell.  Then he suddenly said, "How do you 
> spell Ansteorra?"  My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up, 
> "T-E-X-A-S".  Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and 
> they were NOT amused.  LOL.


THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em.   :)

Ulf, Baron of Namron
(Dang, that was a fun event...)



From swieland at direcway.com  Wed Aug 27 04:07:04 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:07:04 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
In-Reply-To: <1061953612.2863.15.camel@chuckles.cafecanem.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030827060323.00a2d680@pop3.direcway.com>

At 01:24 AM 8/27/03 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> > I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby
> > in the SCA.   It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA.  Ansteorra was
> > hosting it.  We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena
> > in Burnet Texas.  Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and
> > was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands".  So he was doing a
> > cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell.  Then he suddenly said, "How do 
> you
> > spell Ansteorra?"  My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up,
> > "T-E-X-A-S".  Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and
> > they were NOT amused.  LOL.
>
>
>THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em.   :)
>
>Ulf, Baron of Namron
>(Dang, that was a fun event...)

It was my ex.....and I have no idea where she is now or what she is 
doing.  Heh, heh.....not sure that I really want to know either.

It was fun...Rowan, Queen BROA.  All those swords in the air when she came 
in for grand court.  It was almost a "you are there moment".

Damaris 




From letebts at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 27 09:46:00 2003
From: letebts at earthlink.net (Elaine Crittenden)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:46:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <E19s3O4-0000es-00@pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex" (East), "Wessex" (West), 
"Sussex" (South), and the like?

Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South Carolina," etc.?

Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
J'es' wond'rin'....   ;-)

----------
>From: PKieferjr at aol.com
>
> ...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?
> Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
> nuke on us.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
> (Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra


From seirra78415 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 27 11:24:54 2003
From: seirra78415 at yahoo.com (inez stock)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:24:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 43
In-Reply-To: <200308271700.h7RH07a11134@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <20030827182454.41464.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com>

I do not understand why the kingdom needs to be spilt. I am coming in late on this. could somone please tell me why they would spilt up such a good thing if it is not broken do not fixs it.  In service to the kingdom Lady Mary Bradford.

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1. Re: Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits (Medicfem at aol.com)
2. Re: In Search of Several People (jerryn at houston.rr.com)
3. Re: Event Limits? (Galen W. Bevel)
4. Re: Ansteorran State of Mind (Ulf Gunnarsson)
5. Re: Re: Ansteorran State of Mind (Susan Wieland)
6. Re: Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits (Elaine Crittenden)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:48:06 EDT
From: Medicfem at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Message-ID: <10f.252c0727.2c7cf756 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

In a message dated 8/26/03 8:58:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:

> b) if the kingdom split without going through a principality stage, why 
> not, as 
> someone suggested, use something along the lines or North/South Ansteorra? 
> For 
> that matter a principality could conceivably do the same (as in the case of 
> West Virginia [a state, not a principality]

Being of one of the southern most shires in this kingdom, I must reply. 
"South Ansteorra" .... I don't like the sound of it. It is a dead horse. 
The last three groups to the south in Ansteorra are coastal shires. We are 
kind of unified. Often the only people that consistantly go to each others 
events are those from these three sister shires. I feel when it comes to the 
breaking of a kingdom, many alliances have already been forged that would be 
difficult to break. Our motto... We keep the Kings coast... not the Prince's coast. 
with love for the mamouth size kingdom of ANSTEORRA,

Lady Caley of Lancashire
Shire of Seawinds - Celebrating 20 years as a proud Ansteorran shire in 2004


------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:13:36 -0500
From: jerryn at houston.rr.com
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: In Search of Several People
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Message-ID: <16b2db16aaec.16aaec16b2db at texas.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

replied to privately

In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
HL Gerald of Leesville
Ravenskald of Ravensfort
A Bard of Stargate
Kingdom Ansteorra.


------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:05:44 -0500
From: "Galen W. Bevel" 
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Message-ID: <410-22003822621544743 at ix.netcom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII




> On Wednesday 20 August 2003 06:34 pm, Elizabeth Crouchet wrote:
> Well, we are much bigger than a small kingdom like the Outlands with ony
30 
> groups but large kingdoms have as many groups as us. The East, for 
> example, which has something like 75 groups in 4 regions. The Middle has 
> 84 in 4 regions and that does not count the 35 in the soon to be kingdom 
> of Northshield. Yes, those are big kingdoms but they manage their
calendar 
> somehow. Perhaps we should look over some of their ideas and see if they 
> are worth stealing. ;-)
>
>
> CD
>


Years ago when I was Kingdom seneschal I checked into other Kingdom's
practices because our calendar was getting out of hand even then. If I
remember correctly, one of the more common ways that large kingdoms handled
the problem then was to lock down their calendar very early. My faulty
memory seems to remember that the Middle was one of these, but I could
easily be wrong. What I mean is that _all_ events are scheduled in the
previous year. If you want to have an event on the calendar in 2004, you
must have it approved, and all the paperwork done and turned in to the KS
in time to make the deadline so that the calendar for the entire year can
be published in the January Kingdom newsletter. That means if you want to
have a 2004 Yule revel, you would probably have to get the paperwork into
the kingdom by at least November 2003 so they have time to put together the
calendar and make the December 1st deadline for the January BlackStar. I
believe that some Kingdoms had an even earlier deadline,like June or so,to
allow lead time for the January events. Taken to extremes, it could end up
meaning that you would have to do the paperwork on your event from 1.5 to 2
years in advance. Not necessarily a proponent or opponent of this idea, it
was just one that I remembered that I thought you all might like to hear. 

Graf Galen Kirchenbauer


------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: 27 Aug 2003 01:24:42 -0500
From: Ulf Gunnarsson 
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
To: Kingdom of "Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Message-ID: <1061953612.2863.15.camel at chuckles.cafecanem.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby 
> in the SCA. It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA. Ansteorra was 
> hosting it. We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena 
> in Burnet Texas. Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and 
> was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands". So he was doing a 
> cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell. Then he suddenly said, "How do you 
> spell Ansteorra?" My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up, 
> "T-E-X-A-S". Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and 
> they were NOT amused. LOL.


THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em. :)

Ulf, Baron of Namron
(Dang, that was a fun event...)


------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:07:04 -0500
From: Susan Wieland 
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030827060323.00a2d680 at pop3.direcway.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

At 01:24 AM 8/27/03 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> > I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby
> > in the SCA. It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA. Ansteorra was
> > hosting it. We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena
> > in Burnet Texas. Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and
> > was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands". So he was doing a
> > cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell. Then he suddenly said, "How do 
> you
> > spell Ansteorra?" My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up,
> > "T-E-X-A-S". Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and
> > they were NOT amused. LOL.
>
>
>THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em. :)
>
>Ulf, Baron of Namron
>(Dang, that was a fun event...)

It was my ex.....and I have no idea where she is now or what she is 
doing. Heh, heh.....not sure that I really want to know either.

It was fun...Rowan, Queen BROA. All those swords in the air when she came 
in for grand court. It was almost a "you are there moment".

Damaris 



------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:46:00 -0500
From: "Elaine Crittenden" 
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." ,
ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex" (East), "Wessex" (West), 
"Sussex" (South), and the like?

Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South Carolina," etc.?

Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
J'es' wond'rin'.... ;-)

----------
>From: PKieferjr at aol.com
>
> ...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?
> Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
> nuke on us.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
> (Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra

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From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 12:11:01 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:11:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <Law11-F39YHkidcDjoY0000735d@hotmail.com>

If you want an earful on the Dakota Territory becomming two states and the 
briggands from South Dakota stealing the name, catch me at an event 
sometime.  :)

Morgan
North Dakota Native
Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.


From: "Elaine Crittenden" <letebts at earthlink.net>


Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex" (East), "Wessex" (West),
"Sussex" (South), and the like?

Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South Carolina," etc.?

Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
J'es' wond'rin'....   ;-)

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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 12:16:29 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:16:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 43
In-Reply-To: <20030827182454.41464.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <200308271700.h7RH07a11134@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <3F4CBD3D.4700.692D0B@localhost>

On 27 Aug 2003 at 11:24, inez stock wrote:

> I do not understand why the kingdom needs to be spilt. I am coming in
> late on this. could somone please tell me why they would spilt up such
> a good thing if it is not broken do not fixs it.  In service to the
> kingdom Lady Mary Bradford.
> 

I do not believe any one is actually advocating splitting the kingdom, although creating a 
principality or two has been discussed in the past. I think right now it is just a 
hypothetical exercise in response to crowded calendar issues. And, we seem to be 
agreed that actually splitting the kingdom right now would not necessarily solve THAT 
problem.
However, it poses fascinating what-if exploration of cultural or anthropological issues. 
And it seems to be  spurring a little patriotism, which is never a bad thing if we don't get 
carried away with it. 

Just my observations,

Claire 


From dbw6969 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 27 12:40:54 2003
From: dbw6969 at yahoo.com (David Whitford)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:40:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F39YHkidcDjoY0000735d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030827194054.69605.qmail@web11802.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
Are you here yet?
 Robert
> 
> Morgan
> North Dakota Native
> Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.
> 
> 
> From: "Elaine Crittenden" <letebts at earthlink.net>
> 
> 
> Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex"
> (East), "Wessex" (West),
> "Sussex" (South), and the like?
> 
> Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South
> Carolina," etc.?
> 
> Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
> J'es' wond'rin'....   ;-)
> 
> -
> 
>
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From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 13:33:12 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:33:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <Law11-F46saJbqJGNzs000076b8@hotmail.com>

They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.  :)

Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran


From: David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com>

Are you here yet?
  Robert

--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:

 >
 > Morgan
 > North Dakota Native
 > Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.

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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Wed Aug 27 13:43:29 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:43:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F46saJbqJGNzs000076b8@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <019301c36cdb$df7a07a0$0f00000a@nomadics.com>

Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...

Jean Paul :)


Carl Chipman
Nomadics, Inc.
cchipman at nomadics.com
http://www.nomadics.com


-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Michael Smith
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:33 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits

They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
:)

Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran


From: David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com>

Are you here yet?
  Robert

--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:

 >
 > Morgan
 > North Dakota Native
 > Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.



From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 14:44:46 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:44:46 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
References: <019301c36cdb$df7a07a0$0f00000a@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE37GWSa1aNEV0000046e@hotmail.com>

Won't happen.  Even if you kill me, it'd be MONTHS before my fingers get
cold in west Texas!  :)

Morgan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Chipman"


> Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...
>
> Jean Paul :)
>
>
> Carl Chipman
> Nomadics, Inc.
> cchipman at nomadics.com
> http://www.nomadics.com
>
>

>
> They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
> :)
>
> Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran



From mtucker at airmail.net  Wed Aug 27 14:58:28 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE37GWSa1aNEV0000046e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9735B0B2-D8D9-11D7-BC9B-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 04:44  PM, Michael Smith wrote:

> Won't happen.  Even if you kill me, it'd be MONTHS before my fingers 
> get
> cold in west Texas!  :)
>
> Morgan
>

Thanks, Morgan. That's the funniest thing I've read on this list in a 
while. Actually laughed out loud. :-)

Michael Silverhands



From eirik at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 15:00:12 2003
From: eirik at hot.rr.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:00:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE37GWSa1aNEV0000046e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601c36ce6$9a0e4450$1402a8c0@eirik>

Ah, the wonders of dry ice.

Eirik

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org 
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Michael Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:45 PM
> To: cchipman at nomadics.com; Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
> 
> 
> Won't happen.  Even if you kill me, it'd be MONTHS before my 
> fingers get cold in west Texas!  :)
> 
> Morgan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Chipman"
> 
> 
> > Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...
> >
> > Jean Paul :)
> >
> >
> > Carl Chipman
> > Nomadics, Inc.
> > cchipman at nomadics.com
> > http://www.nomadics.com
> >
> >
> 
> >
> > They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead 
> > fingers.
> > :)
> >
> > Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran
> 
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From rixende at mail2noble.com  Wed Aug 27 06:28:19 2003
From: rixende at mail2noble.com (Jhan Knebel)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:28:19 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Scribal Go Nuts!!!!
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From derrykcarr at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 16:43:19 2003
From: derrykcarr at hotmail.com (Derryk Carr)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:43:19 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <BAY8-F46MlDNBO49mV5000001e3@hotmail.com>

Of course you could always do hat I have seen a few people do.... Get it 
tattooed to your body. Then they would have to carve it out of your cold 
hard flesh.

Aldric de Kerr


>From: "Carl Chipman" <cchipman at nomadics.com>
>Reply-To: cchipman at nomadics.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc." 
><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:43:29 -0500
>
>Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...
>
>Jean Paul :)
>
>
>Carl Chipman
>Nomadics, Inc.
>cchipman at nomadics.com
>http://www.nomadics.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Michael Smith
>Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:33 PM
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
>
>They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
>:)
>
>Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran
>
>
>From: David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com>
>
>Are you here yet?
>   Robert
>
>--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  >
>  > Morgan
>  > North Dakota Native
>  > Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.
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From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 19:15:00 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:15:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization (was: Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 09:34 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:

(snip)

>Alden
>(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )


Humph. you're just a whippersnapper.

	-Tivar Moondragon
Ansteorran fossil, coming up on 28 years


From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 19:15:00 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:15:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030827171346.006bd740@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 07:43 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:

>>Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
>>bottom, rather than the top.
>>
>>	-Tivar Moondragon
>>	obsessive cartographer


>Is is "just" upside down or is it upside down and backwards? Not that sure 
>of west Ansteorra.
>
>plachoya
>
>humble archer
>Ravens Fort Ansteorra


Sweetwater is west of Abeline. If you print the map out and turn it over,
then your only confusion will be reading the highway numbers upside down.

	-Tivar Moondragon



From YsfaelEleanor at aol.com  Wed Aug 27 21:16:01 2003
From: YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:16:01 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <19f.1994d582.2c7edc01@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/27/2003 6:47:59 PM Central Daylight Time, 
derrykcarr at hotmail.com writes:


> Of course you could always do hat I have seen a few people do.... Get it 
> tattooed to your body. Then they would have to carve it out of your cold 
> hard flesh.
> 
> Aldric de Kerr
> 

ewwwwwww

eleanor


From dyanford at txucom.net  Wed Aug 27 22:59:29 2003
From: dyanford at txucom.net (Dyan Ford)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:59:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization 
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
References: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3F4D9A41.8010609@txucom.net>

Dear Heart,

If _you_ are a 'fossil'... I guess that makes me 'primordial ooze' ... 
_glowing_ primordial ooze!! <BEG>

Shanahan the Fey, called Stormbearer  (circa  1972 -- A.S. VI )




From michaeloflangley at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 06:31:14 2003
From: michaeloflangley at hotmail.com (Michael of Langley)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <Law12-F40FpN9Z08WKU0000ac01@hotmail.com>

Well,

Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there anyone 
who can give the actual street address for the site?



"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."

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From ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 28 07:14:07 2003
From: ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net (Lady Deirdre)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:14:07 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <Law12-F40FpN9Z08WKU0000ac01@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <042801c36d6e$a589af80$c27f8a42@gateway.2wire.net>

A street address for a field next to a lake in the middle of no where west
texas.
Its exit 249 (just a few miles east of Sweetwater) off I-20 and go south.
You can't miss it from there.

Deirdre

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael of Langley" <michaeloflangley at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address


> Well,
>
> Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there
anyone
> who can give the actual street address for the site?
>
>
>
> "...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>
> Michael of Langley
>
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From toshirokoi at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 07:08:02 2003
From: toshirokoi at hotmail.com (Jesus Cavazos)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:08:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
Message-ID: <Law14-F112mhksTJgLP00048a11@hotmail.com>


I hate to tell you this, but there is no actual street address.
The site is out in the middle of the country. The way to get there is to go 
from Abilene to Sweetwater, or from Sweetwater to Abilene, on I-20. When you 
get to Exit 249, a few miles east of Sweetwater, turn south.
Just follow the map. The distance from I-20 to the fork in the road (I 
always wanted to say that) is about four and a half miles.Take the left 
fork. The distance from the fork to the site is only about a quarter mile. 
The site will be on your right. You'll know it by the little stone building 
by the side of the road.
It will seem like you've missed it and are half way to nowhere, but you'll 
be fine as long as you follow the map.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshall


>From: "Michael of Langley" <michaeloflangley at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
>
>Well,
>
>Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there anyone 
>who can give the actual street address for the site?
>
>
>"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>
>Michael of Langley
>

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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 28 10:28:23 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:28:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
In-Reply-To: <Law14-F112mhksTJgLP00048a11@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030828172823.78825.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>

Isn't there an address for the bait shop/store that is a little past the site?
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Jesus Cavazos <toshirokoi at hotmail.com> wrote:

I hate to tell you this, but there is no actual street address.
The site is out in the middle of the country. The way to get there is to go 
from Abilene to Sweetwater, or from Sweetwater to Abilene, on I-20. When you 
get to Exit 249, a few miles east of Sweetwater, turn south.
Just follow the map. The distance from I-20 to the fork in the road (I 
always wanted to say that) is about four and a half miles.Take the left 
fork. The distance from the fork to the site is only about a quarter mile. 
The site will be on your right. You'll know it by the little stone building 
by the side of the road.
It will seem like you've missed it and are half way to nowhere, but you'll 
be fine as long as you follow the map.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshall


>From: "Michael of Langley" 
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
>
>Well,
>
>Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc. Is there anyone 
>who can give the actual street address for the site?
>
>
>"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>
>Michael of Langley
>

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From michaeloflangley at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 10:34:18 2003
From: michaeloflangley at hotmail.com (Michael of Langley)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:34:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
Message-ID: <Law12-F6m9kfNHssSvG000025fc@hotmail.com>

Thank you m'lord!

We will see you there!



"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."

Michael of Langley




>From: "Jesus Cavazos" <toshirokoi at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:08:02 -0500
>
>
>I hate to tell you this, but there is no actual street address.
>The site is out in the middle of the country. The way to get there is to go 
>from Abilene to Sweetwater, or from Sweetwater to Abilene, on I-20. When 
>you get to Exit 249, a few miles east of Sweetwater, turn south.
>Just follow the map. The distance from I-20 to the fork in the road (I 
>always wanted to say that) is about four and a half miles.Take the left 
>fork. The distance from the fork to the site is only about a quarter mile. 
>The site will be on your right. You'll know it by the little stone building 
>by the side of the road.
>It will seem like you've missed it and are half way to nowhere, but you'll 
>be fine as long as you follow the map.
>
>HL Toshiro Koi
>WR Rapier Marshall
>
>
>>From: "Michael of Langley" <michaeloflangley at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
>>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
>>
>>Well,
>>
>>Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there 
>>anyone who can give the actual street address for the site?
>>
>>
>>"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>>
>>Michael of Langley
>>
>
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From bmccrory at oktax.state.ok.us  Thu Aug 28 10:44:51 2003
From: bmccrory at oktax.state.ok.us (Burke McCrory)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:44:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization (was: Kingdom Splitting: Was
	Event Limits)
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030828124234.03f7c850@mailhost.oktax.state.ok.us>

At 09:15 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>At 09:34 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
> >Alden
> >(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
>
>
>Humph. you're just a whippersnapper.
>
>         -Tivar Moondragon
>Ansteorran fossil, coming up on 28 years

I do love it when someone posts, that makes me feel young in the SCA.

Burke
who is celebrating 25 years this fall. 




From toshirokoi at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 12:01:10 2003
From: toshirokoi at hotmail.com (Jesus Cavazos)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:01:10 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
Message-ID: <Law14-F40z4lDPHpNwq00006987@hotmail.com>


I'm sure there is. But it's probably something like Box some number, Route 
something.
Little help that is unless you know the area or the place.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshall


>From: L T <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:28:23 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Isn't there an address for the bait shop/store that is a little past the 
>site?
>
>Lorraine DeerSlayer
>

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From gudze at pagancow.org  Thu Aug 28 11:53:00 2003
From: gudze at pagancow.org (Gudze O'Domhnaill)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:53:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <010b01c36d96$18dc0420$aba39bac@genji>

In my opinion, once Anseorran, always Ansteorran. I, for one, will always
consider myself Ansteorran, even though I now live in Northshield.

Regards,
~Gudze O'Domhnaill




From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 13:11:13 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:11:13 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Crown Tournament feast reservations
Message-ID: <LAW11-F40ogxLDp7mvj0000c10c@hotmail.com>

Greetings to all.

Dragonsfire Tor will be hosting Crown Tournament October 31 ? November 2, 
2003.  The Black Star is out and we are now taking prepaid reservations for 
feast.

Gilli of the Shire of Middleford will providing our food. The menu is:

Flavored Butters and Breads
>     Assorted Cheeses
>     Roast Beast
>     Pasta w/Herb and Garlic Sauce
>     Lyonnes Green Been Almandine
>     Savory Leg of Foul
>     Rice Surprise
>     Orange Glazed Carrots
>     Stuffed Baked Apples
>     Sweet and Unsweetened Tea, Water

Cost is separate from site.
Adults $8.00  		Children 6-12 $4.00 		Children 5 and under: free
NO FAMILY CAP  on FEAST

Make checks payable to SCA Inc./Canton of DFT
Mail to :
Janie Cason
1230 Isla
Stephenville, TX 76401

Please make reservations at crownfeast at hotmail.com. Not dftfeast2. My bad.  
As soon as I receive payment I will send you a confirmation if your email is 
provided.

Come join us. Reservations are limited to 150. I will be at Gothic this 
weekend if you wish to pay then.

We look forward to your reservations.

Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor

_________________________________________________________________
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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Thu Aug 28 15:03:05 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:03:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Map to Gothic War
Message-ID: <02ec01c36db0$28eb5950$0f00000a@nomadics.com>

My lady Gilyan made up some detailed aerial photos maps to Gothic war
this weekend for anyone wanting something a bit more north-oriented...
you can see them here:

http://www.cchipman.com/maps_to_gothic_war.htm

Jean Paul de Sens


Carl Chipman
Nomadics, Inc.
cchipman at nomadics.com
http://www.nomadics.com





From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Thu Aug 28 16:00:40 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:00:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Map to Gothic War
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030828180038.006e84b0@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 05:03 PM 8/28/03 -0500, you wrote:

>My lady Gilyan made up some detailed aerial photos maps to Gothic war
>this weekend for anyone wanting something a bit more north-oriented...
>you can see them here:
>
>http://www.cchipman.com/maps_to_gothic_war.htm
>
>Jean Paul de Sens


Now that's just *cool*! Did she get these off a public website somewhere,
or does she have "connections"?

	-Tivar Moondragon
	fossilized cartographer



From meraud at netzero.net  Fri Aug 22 21:02:01 2003
From: meraud at netzero.net (meraud)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:02:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [MR] Fw: SCAdian's missing son....please read
Message-ID: <000001c36dd5$134115c0$e1eb4bab@uymfdlvk>



> Forwarded as requested.... hope she finds him.
> 
> > >From: "grainnechormaic" <celtic_dragonslady at yahoo.com>
> > >Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:26:04 -0000
> > >Subject: [TY] SCAdian's missing son....please read
> > >
> > >My son, Nicholaus Kirkpatrick is missing.  The last reliable sighting
> > >of him was at pre-registration some day (the registrar isn't sure
> > >which day) the week of July 15, 2003 at Watkins College in Nashville.
> > >
> > >Please visit the link
> > > http://www.geocities.com/find_nick_22/Find_Nick.html 
> > >
> > >Please pass this link to everyone you know.  If he is alive and for
> > >whatever reason has decided to "go walkabout", he may be in or headed
> > >for the California area.
> > >
> > >Thanks to all.
> > >
> > >Grainne inghean Chormaic (m.k.a. Karen Kirkpatrick)
> 
> ========================================================================
>                    The Merry Rose Tavern at Cheapside
>     List Info: http://merryrose.atlantia.sca.org/
>   Submissions: Atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Subscriptions: http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/mailman/listinfo/atlantia
> 



From Patrickandjulia at aol.com  Thu Aug 28 19:57:53 2003
From: Patrickandjulia at aol.com (Patrickandjulia at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:57:53 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pavilion Raffle
Message-ID: <16.347cd3c4.2c801b31@aol.com>

Greetings All!

Rosenfeld is in the process of raffling off a list field pavilion set up 
including an 8x10 pavilion with pennants and complete setup, 2 wooden handcrafted 
breakdown chairs, 2 rugs, 2 banners, a handcrafted chest, a chess set and a 
small honor shield with your device for the low, low price of $5.00 per ticket.  
Tickets are available from Centurion William de Molay from now until drawing 
time at Three Kings.  You may purchase tickets from William at Gothic, Battle 
of the Pines, Elfsea Defender and, of course, at 3 Kings. You may also 
purchase tickets by mail.  If you would like to purchase tickets or need further 
info, please contact him at (903) 894-6067.  Pictures are available on the 3 Kings 
webpage at <A HREF="http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org">http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org</A>.

Patrick


From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Thu Aug 28 20:15:16 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:15:16 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization
In-Reply-To: <3F4D9A41.8010609@txucom.net>
Message-ID: <0320C104-D9CF-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 12:59 AM, Dyan Ford wrote:
> If _you_ are a 'fossil'... I guess that makes me 'primordial ooze' ... 
> _glowing_ primordial ooze!! <BEG>
>
> Shanahan the Fey, called Stormbearer  (circa  1972 -- A.S. VI )
So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
hear of the SCA?
What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****



From dyanford at txucom.net  Thu Aug 28 21:44:42 2003
From: dyanford at txucom.net (Dyan Ford)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:44:42 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <0320C104-D9CF-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>
References: <0320C104-D9CF-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3F4EDA3A.30407@txucom.net>

 >>>So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
hear of the SCA?
What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
Stefan<<<<

Oh Boy,  what a set of questions!  Let's see how I can answer....

First, I 'heard of the SCA in college, in the back of the book 'The 
Broken Sword' by Poul Anderson <sigh>.  From what I recall, it mentioned 
a group of  people who spent their summer vacations near Chicago, 
playing 'medieval'.  I remember telling my roommate than I was going as 
soon as I got out of school & got a job -- that was in 1969.  (I _still_ 
have yet to attend Pensic!)

In 1972, I decided that if I couldn't get to Chicago, I'd try to find 
like-minded folk in the Houston area.  So, I hand-lettered a 
'recruitment' poster & posted it at a local Comics Convention.  An old 
friend, JL3, saw it & asked why didn't I just join the group that was 
already in Houston.  I almost freaked, demanding more info.  He said 
that a group had formed some months earlier but had only 3 three 
people.  He offered to make some calls & see about setting up a meeting 
-- which he did.  We all met on the next Sunday to try to restart the 
Barony, 7 in person & 2 by proxy.

And since the group (then known only as 'The Barony in Houston') needed 
a name, we proceeded to debate possibilities.  In those days, groups 
were often named for a predominant local landmark.  Well, we sure didn't 
want the Bayou Barony!  So I thought of NASA and suggested 'StarGate' 
because a reporter had earlier dubbed Houston as the Gateway to the 
Stars.... everyone seemed to like it so the name stuck.  The device 
became a nine pointed star with 3 greater points for the original 
founders & 6 smaller points for the rest of us -- and 1 point was 
'supposed' to be a 'binary' because JL3 was the only married founder (at 
the time) & we wanted to include his Lady (which she now denies --- hey, 
that's how _I_ remember it! )

As to how has it changed..... oh, there are not words to properly 
describe the differences!  I mean, this was years before the Texas 
RenFaire, & we _lived_ the joke of "Are you in a Play?".  No one took us 
seriously and communications with others in the SCA just didn't exist -- 
the nearest groups were Draconia (Baton Rouge, LA) to the East and the 
Atenveldt Barony/Kingdom (Tempe, AZ) to the West.  In those days, there 
were only 4 Kingdoms & Atenveldt extended from the southern Atlantic 
States across to the border of California.  I remember how we struggled 
to find references and information about historical practices.  We truly 
did 'wing it' and things were accepted for the 'effort' involved in the 
making, not the 'historical accuracy' that is demanded today.   The 
Dream was almost a tangible thing in those days & anyone who even made 
the attempt was welcome to play.  I truly miss some of that 'tolerance'.

As to the most 'Memoriables' ... I'm afraid I'll have to put that into 
an article or something.  The email would be much too long!  And this 
email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.

Shanahan the Fey, MLA, OLA, OMS, Starholder




From morgancain at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 28 21:40:11 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:40:11 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra]  Crown Tournament feast reservations 
References: <200308290448.h7T4m2a15860@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <019701c36de7$fe98b700$76051e43@homeseries>

> Gilli of the Shire of Middleford will providing our food. The menu is:
> 
> >     Savory Leg of Foul

Man, I hope that is a typo..........


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
" There is no key to happiness. The door is always open. "  (Unknown)
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)


From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Thu Aug 28 22:51:45 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:51:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <3F4EDA3A.30407@txucom.net>
Message-ID: <DF999615-D9E4-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

Shanahan the Fey answered me with:
On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 11:44 PM, Dyan Ford wrote:

> >>>So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
> hear of the SCA?
> What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
> the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
> Stefan<<<<
>
> Oh Boy,  what a set of questions!  Let's see how I can answer....

> In 1972, I decided that if I couldn't get to Chicago, I'd try to find 
> like-minded folk in the Houston area.  So, I hand-lettered a 
> 'recruitment' poster & posted it at a local Comics Convention.  An old 
> friend, JL3, saw it & asked why didn't I just join the group that was 
> already in Houston.  I almost freaked, demanding more info.  He said 
> that a group had formed some months earlier but had only 3 three 
> people.  He offered to make some calls & see about setting up a 
> meeting -- which he did.  We all met on the next Sunday to try to 
> restart the Barony, 7 in person & 2 by proxy.
Oh Thank you! Thank you. This is wonderful. You've given details of 
both Stargate and Ansteorran history which I've never heard before. In 
fact, you've managed to get this message saved for the Anst-hist-msg, 
SCA-hist-msg and the placenames-msg files in the Florilegium. :-)

Sigh. What was wrong with "The Bayou Barony"? Although I guess that 
would need to be changed a little bit to "Green Bayou" or "Bayou 
Country" or some such.
> As to the most 'Memoriables' ... I'm afraid I'll have to put that into 
> an article or something.  The email would be much too long!
Please? Pretty please? I'd love to have such articles on the early days 
of the SCA or the might have been stories or just first hand accounts 
of how it was different then. In some kingdoms folks think driving two 
or three hours to an event is too far. From the recent discussions here 
on whether the kingdom calender is overloaded or not. On whether 
Ansteorra should split because it has too many groups etc, you can see 
quite a contrast from what I've been told of the early days of the SCA. 
I suspect that had you told folks then that there would be a choice of 
two or three events every weekend, that Pennsic would have over 12 
thousand folks attending, they wouldn't have believed it. The baronies 
usually have more members now than the kingdoms did then.

My standard policy for Florilegium articles is that the author keeps 
the copyright and I will accept updates or removal requests :-( at any 
time. I just want to get interesting, useful info out there where folks 
can use it and enjoy it.
> And this email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.
I don't think so and I really doubt very many others do either. I'd 
rather read this than another flamewar on principalities. :-)
>
> Shanahan the Fey, MLA, OLA, OMS, Starholder
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****



From cadunham at worldnet.att.net  Thu Aug 28 23:08:28 2003
From: cadunham at worldnet.att.net (Chris A. Dunham)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:08:28 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <DF999615-D9E4-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <MFEAJMFCKKCDIHALCCCLAEPICAAA.cadunham@worldnet.att.net>

>> And this email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.
>I don't think so and I really doubt very many others do either. I'd
>rather read this than another flamewar on principalities. :-)

Absolutely.  I'd definitely love to hear more of this than constant (and
somewhat pointless) debates.  So, yes, give us more!!

Xavier William Terrant
House Rivenshield



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Fri Aug 29 00:00:02 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:00:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra]  Crown Tournament feast reservations
References: <200308290448.h7T4m2a15860@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
	<019701c36de7$fe98b700$76051e43@homeseries>
Message-ID: <000701c36dfb$2c783480$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

OPPS!!!

That was a foul mistake on my fowl dish.  :)

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Morgan Cain (Ansteorra)" <morgancain at earthlink.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Crown Tournament feast reservations


> > Gilli of the Shire of Middleford will providing our food. The menu is:
> > 
> > >     Savory Leg of Foul
> 
> Man, I hope that is a typo..........
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> " There is no key to happiness. The door is always open. "  (Unknown)
> "....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
>         ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra


From Julie at ettros.com  Fri Aug 29 05:51:59 2003
From: Julie at ettros.com (Julie Cunningham)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:51:59 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
Message-ID: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>

Being a newbie still, I LOVE stories like this.  Is there a place somewhere to read more about the history of the SCA?  How did Steppes get started?

Kathryn of Ayr
(Kate)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dyan Ford [mailto:dyanford at txucom.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:45 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories


 >>>So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
hear of the SCA?
What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
Stefan<<<<

Oh Boy,  what a set of questions!  Let's see how I can answer....

First, I 'heard of the SCA in college, in the back of the book 'The 
Broken Sword' by Poul Anderson <sigh>.  From what I recall, it mentioned 
a group of  people who spent their summer vacations near Chicago, 
playing 'medieval'.  I remember telling my roommate than I was going as 
soon as I got out of school & got a job -- that was in 1969.  (I _still_ 
have yet to attend Pensic!)

In 1972, I decided that if I couldn't get to Chicago, I'd try to find 
like-minded folk in the Houston area.  So, I hand-lettered a 
'recruitment' poster & posted it at a local Comics Convention.  An old 
friend, JL3, saw it & asked why didn't I just join the group that was 
already in Houston.  I almost freaked, demanding more info.  He said 
that a group had formed some months earlier but had only 3 three 
people.  He offered to make some calls & see about setting up a meeting 
-- which he did.  We all met on the next Sunday to try to restart the 
Barony, 7 in person & 2 by proxy.

And since the group (then known only as 'The Barony in Houston') needed 
a name, we proceeded to debate possibilities.  In those days, groups 
were often named for a predominant local landmark.  Well, we sure didn't 
want the Bayou Barony!  So I thought of NASA and suggested 'StarGate' 
because a reporter had earlier dubbed Houston as the Gateway to the 
Stars.... everyone seemed to like it so the name stuck.  The device 
became a nine pointed star with 3 greater points for the original 
founders & 6 smaller points for the rest of us -- and 1 point was 
'supposed' to be a 'binary' because JL3 was the only married founder (at 
the time) & we wanted to include his Lady (which she now denies --- hey, 
that's how _I_ remember it! )

As to how has it changed..... oh, there are not words to properly 
describe the differences!  I mean, this was years before the Texas 
RenFaire, & we _lived_ the joke of "Are you in a Play?".  No one took us 
seriously and communications with others in the SCA just didn't exist -- 
the nearest groups were Draconia (Baton Rouge, LA) to the East and the 
Atenveldt Barony/Kingdom (Tempe, AZ) to the West.  In those days, there 
were only 4 Kingdoms & Atenveldt extended from the southern Atlantic 
States across to the border of California.  I remember how we struggled 
to find references and information about historical practices.  We truly 
did 'wing it' and things were accepted for the 'effort' involved in the 
making, not the 'historical accuracy' that is demanded today.   The 
Dream was almost a tangible thing in those days & anyone who even made 
the attempt was welcome to play.  I truly miss some of that 'tolerance'.

As to the most 'Memoriables' ... I'm afraid I'll have to put that into 
an article or something.  The email would be much too long!  And this 
email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.

Shanahan the Fey, MLA, OLA, OMS, Starholder


_______________________________________________
Ansteorra mailing list
Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra


From rbnew5 at netscape.net  Fri Aug 29 10:56:51 2003
From: rbnew5 at netscape.net (Elizabeth Hawkwood)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:56:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pavilion Raffle
References: <16.347cd3c4.2c801b31@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F4F93E3.50701@netscape.net>

I could not reach the desired page from the link you gave but, after a 
little
reasearch I found it at:
http://rosenfeld.ansteorra.org/threekings/three_kings_2003.htm
All I have to say is, "WOW!!"

/Elizabeth Hawkwood

Patrickandjulia at aol.com wrote:

>Greetings All!
>
>Rosenfeld is in the process of raffling off a list field pavilion set up 
>including an 8x10 pavilion with pennants and complete setup, 2 wooden handcrafted 
>breakdown chairs, 2 rugs, 2 banners, a handcrafted chest, a chess set and a 
>small honor shield with your device for the low, low price of $5.00 per ticket.  
>Tickets are available from Centurion William de Molay from now until drawing 
>time at Three Kings.  You may purchase tickets from William at Gothic, Battle 
>of the Pines, Elfsea Defender and, of course, at 3 Kings. You may also 
>purchase tickets by mail.  If you would like to purchase tickets or need further 
>info, please contact him at (903) 894-6067.  Pictures are available on the 3 Kings 
>webpage at <A HREF="http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org">http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org</A>.
>
>Patrick
>_______________________________________________
>Ansteorra mailing list
>Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>  
>

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From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Fri Aug 29 15:31:07 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:31:07 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030829172729.006ca520@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 12:59 AM 8/28/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear Heart,
>
>If _you_ are a 'fossil'... I guess that makes me 'primordial ooze' ... 
>_glowing_ primordial ooze!! <BEG>
>
>Shanahan the Fey, called Stormbearer  (circa  1972 -- A.S. VI )


<chuckle> Shanahan, you're one of about five people who remember *me* as a
newbie.

	-Tivar Moondragon


From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Fri Aug 29 19:18:05 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:18:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>
Message-ID: <30BC7458-DA90-11D7-85E5-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

  Kathryn of Ayr asked:
> Being a newbie still, I LOVE stories like this.  Is there a place 
> somewhere to read more about the history of the SCA?  How did Steppes 
> get started?
Well, you might be interested in some of the files in the SCA-STORIES 
section of the Florilegium such as:
Anst-hist-msg     (86K)  3/22/01    Histories of the Kingdom of 
Ansteorra.
Anst-sword-msg    (25K)  2/17/99    Histories of the Ansteorran Sword 
of State.
child-stories-msg (44K)  9/ 7/01    Stories of SCA children.
Mordona-arbed-art  (8K)  2/21/00    Mordonna DuBois' adventure at 
Estrella.
placenames-msg   (110K) 10/ 4/00    Origins and meanings of SCA 
placenames.
placenames2-msg   (60K)  1/22/02    More origins and meanings of SCA 
placenmaes.
romance-today-msg (12K)  4/13/00    Romantic ideas from period to use 
today.
SCA-authors-msg   (36K) 12/16/94    Authors who have been/are SCA 
members.
SCA-fence-hst-msg	(14K) 11/19/99    History of rapier combat in the SCA.
SCA-hist3-msg    (126K)  5/29/01    Msgs on the history of the SCA.
SCA-in-books-msg  (32K)  8/21/96    Mentions of the SCA in books and 
magazines.
SCA-noteables-msg (19K)  4/12/01    20th century noteables in the SCA.
SCA-romance-msg   (33K) 10/12/01    SCA romances and meeting SOs in the 
SCA.
SCA-stories3-msg  (64K)  2/22/00    SCA stories related after 5/1/96.
vanity-plates-msg (50K) 10/19/98    SCA vanity auto license plates.
you-know-msg      (99K)  5/13/99    You know you're in the SCA when...

You might also look at the SCA-SOCIOLOGY section and since you say you 
are new, the NEWCOMERS section.
And when you finish those, there are about 1800 other files in the 
Florilegium to take a look at. :-)
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****



From jyeates at realtime.net  Fri Aug 29 23:51:12 2003
From: jyeates at realtime.net (jay yeates)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:51:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030829172729.006ca520@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <049601c36ec3$1c6a9150$0a7ba8c0@kharsag>

 
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Sent: 2003, August 29, Friday 17:31


<chuckle> Shanahan, you're one of about five people who remember *me* as a newbie.

...
and fewer still as a pre-newbie .. (g)

'wolf

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From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 30 20:53:39 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>
References: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>
Message-ID: <3F517143.7070909@earthlink.net>

Julie Cunningham wrote:
> Being a newbie still, I LOVE stories like this.  Is there a place somewhere to read more about the history of the SCA?  How did Steppes get started?
> 
> Kathryn of Ayr
> (Kate)

There's lots of interesting reading in the old BoD minutes.

The current minutes are here:  http://www.sca.org/BOD/welcome.html

The historical minutes are here:  http://www.sca.org/BOD/minutes/

--Perronnelle

-- 
Don't use the name of the Lord in vain:  Make sure whoever you're 
swearing at sees every gesture and hears every word.  -- Raymond Lesser, 
20 Things I Learned from God (or voices inside myhead, I'm not sure 
which, yet)



From burkemc at cox.net  Sat Aug 30 22:33:25 2003
From: burkemc at cox.net (Burke McCrory)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:33:25 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Wiesenfeuer Baronial Champion rescheduled to Sunday
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030831002529.03e1baf8@pop.central.cox.net>

I just got back in from Wiesenfeuer Baronial Champion and at His 
Excellency's request am posting the following.  Because of heavy rain that 
moved in just at the end of court His Excellency Lucais has rescheduled the 
Chivalric List to Sunday at 10am.  He hopes that everyone who was unable to 
attend the list at its original Saturday Night time, will come up and 
participate on Sunday in the bright light of day for the coveted title 
of  Wiesenfeuer Baronial Champion.

Sir Burke




From cyranobcc at netzero.net  Sun Aug 31 10:06:57 2003
From: cyranobcc at netzero.net (cyranobcc)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:06:57 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Academy of the Rapier
Message-ID: <011c01c36fe2$4ab87340$698d4a43@pcname>

Unto all good gentles of this fair land, I, Lord Brian mac Cael, wish to invite you all to attend ACADEMY OF THE RAPIER, to be held in the Barony of the Stargate on September 13, 2003!!!

Teaching will be geared to all levels of skill and knowledge and will include Classroom, Drilling, Sparring, and One-On-One instruction.

The Academy will be run in conjunction with Stargate's "A Day at the Coliseum", so there will be plenty of activities for non-rapier combatants too.  Both events will come together for evening feast.

Website info will be available shortly.

Contact me at: 281-895-8170 or cyranobcc at netzero.net with any questions.



From niklas at pbgilbert.net  Sun Aug 31 18:49:58 2003
From: niklas at pbgilbert.net (Paul Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:49:58 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Raven's Fort Defender XXI Web Page
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030831204713.0289ec60@mail.cox-internet.com>

Greetings,

The web page for this years Barony of Raven's Fort Defender XXI is up with 
info about the event and the feast menu.

The URL is.....

www.ravensfortevents.com

If anyone has any questions about the event please let us know.

HE Niklas
Baron of Raven's Fort



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Paul Gilbert,   KE5ZW                   H.E. Niklas Vasilevich,
Huntsville, Texas                       Baron of The Barony Raven's Fort
niklas at pbgilbert.net                    CSM, Crane, ORH, KGA , AoA
936-291-9532 home                               Kingdom of Ansteorra
936-581-5632 cellular                           Society for Creative 
Anachronism
                               AIM Name: KE5ZW
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




From ylwrose2 at juno.com  Fri Aug  1 06:26:58 2003
From: ylwrose2 at juno.com (ylwrose2 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:26:58 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <20030801.062700.868.15.ylwrose2@juno.com>

> >"Their Oaken Excellencies" speaks of the stalwart strength of the 
> > Oak Tree and of Their Excellencies Steppes.
> >
> >Morgan the Taller
> 
> 
> Let's see...
> 
> Steppes: Their Downtrodden Excellencies

Good Don Tivar, despite your good-natured attempt at humor, I must
protest.  If you are alluding to the "steps" in our baronial ensign, they
lead upward.  I would suggest instead, Their Enduring Excellencies, as a
cousin of our founding Baron (who bears an *amazing* family resemblance
to the Baron himself) was seen in our fair lands only last summer. 
Enduring indeed!

Lady Francesca

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From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Fri Aug  1 07:22:45 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:22:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: "Bear" History
In-Reply-To: <200308011412.h71ECnA11586@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEGEMADDAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Mistress Shanahan said:
>In the pre-history times, Bjornsborg
>was "Bears-Fort" ... Bear --> Bare...
>See..?

Bjornsborg's arms have two white bears.  The history of the name also should
note that San Antonio is in Bexar County, which is pronounced "bay-har" and
sounds remarkably like "bear" if done quickly.

::GUNNVOR::

(Older than rope, but not older than dirt.)



From Gwenhuyvar at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 08:23:11 2003
From: Gwenhuyvar at aol.com (Gwenhuyvar at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:23:11 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] German Fest Cabins
Message-ID: <160.23f2a53e.2c5bdfdf@aol.com>

Greetings,
If you would like to make cabin reservation for German Fest September 19-21 , 
please contact me as soon as possible at <A HREF="mailto:gwenhuyvar at aol.com">gwenhuyvar at aol.com</A>.  They are 
filling up fast.  When you contact me give me the SCA name and Mundane Name of each 
person you are making reservations for.  Thanks a lot.
In service 
Lady Gwenhuyvar verch Morgant Dedwydd
Shire of Brad Leah


From Julie at ettros.com  Fri Aug  1 08:53:13 2003
From: Julie at ettros.com (Julie Cunningham)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:53:13 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] German Fest Cabins
Message-ID: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E012ACBA7@ettros2.ettros.com>

Where is this?  Please help the newbie!

Kathryn of Ayr
(Julie)

-----Original Message-----
From: Gwenhuyvar at aol.com [mailto:Gwenhuyvar at aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:23 AM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] German Fest Cabins


Greetings,
If you would like to make cabin reservation for German Fest September 19-21 , 
please contact me as soon as possible at <A HREF="mailto:gwenhuyvar at aol.com">gwenhuyvar at aol.com</A>.  They are 
filling up fast.  When you contact me give me the SCA name and Mundane Name of each 
person you are making reservations for.  Thanks a lot.
In service 
Lady Gwenhuyvar verch Morgant Dedwydd
Shire of Brad Leah
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From pippermint at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  1 13:34:15 2003
From: pippermint at sbcglobal.net (Paula Hanna)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:34:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
Message-ID: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>

As Baroness of Bonwicke, I was really hoping to have some cool title to tag onto my
name. Alas, our arms are just 100 percent charge-free! For those who don't know,
they are a red and gold countercharged dancity. Hm.

I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or something
like that.

Oriana
Lady Bonwicke
who entertains herself greatly
;o)


From gam at door.net  Fri Aug  1 08:39:00 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:39:00 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Pity Party
Message-ID: <002901c35843$07cf8700$6701a8c0@anns>

Good People of the Ansteorra, friends: 

We the Barony of Bonwicke wish our travelers well, and that their journey to the Eastern lands are safe. May you return with many great memories and stories to tell us. To that end, We want to remind you that at Our lands will be a Pennsic Pity Party. There are plans for a snowball tourney, bardic, arts, and other activities. So plan on joining us on August 8-10 2003

Site Fee: Show up with camping gear or sleeping bag to stay at the house. Plenty of floor space available. Site is Maximillian and Anastasiya's Property. Note house is owned by cats and dogs they just let the humans live there.

Feast Fee: Pot luck- bring something or have something for the ladies to prepare. 

Directions: From points East and South. Make your way to I-27 head north past the airport. Take exit 11 (FM 1294) heading west. approximately 10 miles you will come to a gently curve. There will be a crossroad there turn right. You are now on FM 2528. The site is the 7th house. Sign will be posted. 

Points North coming down I-27 please take exit 11 and follow previous instruction.

Points West if coming from Brownfield take loop to North Frankford (FM 2528) go past the Walmart and then on to Clovis Hwy (84). Go across railroad tracks, you will come to a stop sign approximately 6 miles continue until you come to the 7th house. Signs will be posted.

If coming from Clovis, take the first stop light left (north) at FM 2528, cross the railroad tracks and follow previous instructions.

If you get lost call 806-741-1828 or 806-787-8007

If you can not make Pennsic, hope to see you there. Remember War in the Western Lands of Ansteorra is just a few weeks away.


From hlannes at ev1.net  Fri Aug  1 15:01:01 2003
From: hlannes at ev1.net (D. Vandever)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:01:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c35878$6aaabcc0$75d6dacf@dvanderver>

My Dear Baroness of Bonwicke,
If memory serves me, your illustrious barony is the farthest West in our
fair Kingdom. Perhaps that would entitle you to the epithet of "The Really
Way Out There Excellency". Just my 2 cents of suggestion. Until then, I
remain...
In Service,
Annes
Dear God,  Help me to be the person
my dog thinks I am.  Amen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paula Hanna" <pippermint at sbcglobal.net>
To: "ansteorra" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 3:34 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)


> As Baroness of Bonwicke, I was really hoping to have some cool title to
tag onto my
> name. Alas, our arms are just 100 percent charge-free! For those who don't
know,
> they are a red and gold countercharged dancity. Hm.
>
> I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or
something
> like that.
>
> Oriana
> Lady Bonwicke
> who entertains herself greatly
> ;o)
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>



From chiang at odsy.net  Fri Aug  1 15:19:03 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:19:03 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
	<001b01c35878$6aaabcc0$75d6dacf@dvanderver>
Message-ID: <003101c3587a$eafbf0e0$5150cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

No kidding, a bout 90 miles and we are in another Kingdom.
HE Chiang, who is luckily landless

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Vandever" <hlannes at ev1.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)


> My Dear Baroness of Bonwicke,
> If memory serves me, your illustrious barony is the farthest West in our
> fair Kingdom. Perhaps that would entitle you to the epithet of "The Really
> Way Out There Excellency". Just my 2 cents of suggestion. Until then, I
> remain...
> In Service,
> Annes
> Dear God,  Help me to be the person
> my dog thinks I am.  Amen





From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  1 15:41:54 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:41:54 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Queens Champion
Message-ID: <BAY1-F86TAMyJKrFQNb00017fbd@hotmail.com>

Sounds as if I missed a very fine Queen's. Sure sucks when you have to fix 
things around the house instead of go play.

plachoya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra
>
>I think is is also worth noting that Don Tivar was awarded the Queen's
>Blade of Honor.
>
>Dor?
>
> >
> > The fighting was fierce, and I am pleased to say that not once was foul
> > called or warning given; each of the competitors upheld all that we
> > consider fair and just.
> >
> > In the final round (if age hasn't take my memory yet) Don Aaron Harper
> > fought Don Brendan McKewan.  In the end, Don Brendan won the tournament
> > and the honor to be called Queen's Champion.
> >
> > At the court that evening, Cadet Brian MacCael received a blade from the
> > hands of Her Serpentine Excellency for his valor on the field through
> > the day.
> >
> > In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
> > HL Gerald of Leesville
> > Ravenskald of Ravensfort
> > A bard of Stargate
> > Kingdom Ansteorra
> >

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From alexscribe at worldnet.att.net  Fri Aug  1 16:50:13 2003
From: alexscribe at worldnet.att.net (Eva Mehlhose)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:50:13 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c35887$a788de60$d8c9fea9@dell>


>
> I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or
something
> like that.
>
> Oriana
> Lady Bonwicke
> who entertains herself greatly
> ;o)


ooohhhhh....
does that make you a bonny wicked Lady?????????
grinning ear to ear
Alex the Scribe, Atenveldt

sorry, could absolutely positively not resist



From dirkthedead at cox.net  Fri Aug  1 18:41:24 2003
From: dirkthedead at cox.net (Dirk the Dead)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:41:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Baronial epithets (or epitaphs as it may be)
References: <20030801203415.34792.qmail@web80215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c35897$2f54d2e0$68216d44@dl.cox.net>

*rubs head in frustration*




> As Baroness of Bonwicke, I was really hoping to have some cool title to
tag onto my
> name. Alas, our arms are just 100 percent charge-free! For those who don't
know,
> they are a red and gold countercharged dancity. Hm.
>
> I guess that makes us Their You-Make-Me-Feel-Like-Dancity Excellencies or
something
> like that.
>
> Oriana
> Lady Bonwicke
> who entertains herself greatly
> ;o)



From Jennamonster at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 21:16:28 2003
From: Jennamonster at aol.com (Jennamonster at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:16:28 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Seeking...
Message-ID: <1cd.e8ee4c2.2c5c951c@aol.com>


Would the good gentle in charge of Lost and Found from the recent Coronation 
kindly contact me off-list regarding a misplaced chirurgeon's baldric? I can 
describe it if you have said item. We did not see the original posting. 

With thanks,

Lady Elysia Katherine O'Malley


From catmafia at swbell.net  Sat Aug  2 18:41:19 2003
From: catmafia at swbell.net (Susan O'Neal)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 20:41:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>

I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them (and 
are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.  These are one of my 
favorite things and the ones Kit's friend brought from New Orleans just 
wern't that good, so I was going to make some.  This started me thinking 
about the fact that this is one of those things I learned from my mom and 
was never done with a recipe, you just did it and with whatever of the 
basic ingredience you had available-meaning I've made them possibly 
hundreds of different ways.  So I went to search for a recipe and found 10 
or so and was struck by how most were things I had done, but all were 
different.

I would love to hear how you all do it and what qualities the end result 
had, my favorite are the thick, creamy ones-but tend to enjoy any of the 
results.  I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole, 
which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  I also found the name 
of the person they were supposidly named after, 
http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html

Looking forward to hearing how everyone makes them,

Susan the Curious
catmafia at swbell.net




From Kvarner at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  2 20:39:59 2003
From: Kvarner at austin.rr.com (Kevin Varner)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:39:59 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <3.0.32.20030731184721.01638af0@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001601c35970$eab5d460$c1f7fea9@austin.rr.com>

Considering two of the guard live in your house I doubt we'd need to knock
at 3:00 a.m. ; )
HL Duncan MacConacher na' Dunheath
Captain, Baronial Guard
 &
Tivars Cadet

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Zakes" <moondrgn at austin.rr.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility


> At 06:09 PM 7/31/03 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >"Their Oaken Excellencies" speaks of the stalwart strength of the Oak
Tree
> >and of Their Excellencies Steppes.
> >
> >Morgan the Taller
>
>
> Let's see...
>
> Steppes: Their Downtrodden Excellencies
>
> Stargate: Their Spaced-Out Excellencies
>
> Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies
>
> Bordermarch: Their Borderline Excellencies
>
> Elfsea: Their Fair, but Soggy Excellencies
>
> Eldern Hills: Their Ancient Excellencies
>
> Bonwicke: Their Bonwicked Excellencies
>
> Namron: Their Twisted (or perhaps Blowhard) Excellencies
>
> Ravensfort: Their Flighty Excellencies
>
> Northkeep: Their Distant Excellencies
>
> Bryn Gwlad: Their Magnificent Excellencies (hey, I live there; you think I
> want the Baronial Guard knocking on my door at 3:00 A.M.? <G>)
>
> -Tivar Moondragon
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From Kvarner at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  2 20:41:24 2003
From: Kvarner at austin.rr.com (Kevin Varner)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:41:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <20030801002937.62344.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c35971$1ce5bae0$c1f7fea9@austin.rr.com>

Tell us a story Uncle Tivar!
Aerin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phelippe Descors" <ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility


> Do I really want to know the story behind this???
> 
>    Phelippe (the Wary)
> 
> Chris Zakes <moondrgn at austin.rr.com> wrote:At 06:09 PM
> 7/31/03 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> <snipped>
> 
> Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies
> 
> 
> -Tivar Moondragon
> 
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From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Sat Aug  2 21:04:31 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:04:31 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>
Message-ID: <95B92DB4-C567-11D7-94C3-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

Susan the Curious asked about pralines.
> I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them 
> (and are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.
I asked this question on the SCA-Cooks list. The praline as it is 
generally made now is from Louisiana. However, it is a variation on a 
sweet from Europe with several New World ingredients substituted 
because they weren't available in Louisiana. Pecans substituted for 
almonds? for instance. I can't remember the rest of the information 
right now, but I may have place it in this file in the FOOD-SWEETS 
section of the Florilegium:
candy-msg        (188K) 11/16/01    Period candy. Recipes. Candied 
fruit peels.

>  I also found the name of the person they were supposidly named after, 
> http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html
I'm not sure about this site, but on general principles I find such 
claims on commercial sites to be a bit suspect, especially if it adds 
glamour or romance to the item they are selling.
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****



From davidjhughes.tx at netzero.net  Sat Aug  2 21:11:55 2003
From: davidjhughes.tx at netzero.net (David Hughes)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 23:11:55 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>
Message-ID: <3F2C8B8B.5010600@netzero.net>



Susan O'Neal wrote:
> I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them 
> (and are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.  These are 
> one of my favorite things and the ones Kit's friend brought from New 
> Orleans just wern't that good, so I was going to make some.  This 
> started me thinking about the fact that this is one of those things I 
> learned from my mom and was never done with a recipe, you just did it 
> and with whatever of the basic ingredience you had available-meaning 
> I've made them possibly hundreds of different ways.  So I went to search 
> for a recipe and found 10 or so and was struck by how most were things I 
> had done, but all were different.
> 
> I would love to hear how you all do it and what qualities the end result 
> had, my favorite are the thick, creamy ones-but tend to enjoy any of the 
> results.  I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole, 
> which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  I also found the 
> name of the person they were supposidly named after, 
> http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html
> 
> Looking forward to hearing how everyone makes them,
> 
> Susan the Curious
> catmafia at swbell.net
> 
   From various sources

Praline
Etymology: French, from Count Plessis-Praslin died 1675 French soldier
Date: 1723

  Pralines have been a New Orleans tradition since the early 1700s, 
when Louisiana was still a French territory. Legend has it that a 
French military officer, Count Plessis-Praslin, ordered his chef to 
concoct a simple dessert made of sugar and pecans, both prevalent 
locally grown crops.

  C?sar de Choiseul, Count Plessis-Praslin (1598-1675), French soldier 
and diplomat

Out of period, by roughly 30 to 60 years, but still tasty!

David Gallowglass



From twilit16 at swbell.net  Sat Aug  2 23:21:27 2003
From: twilit16 at swbell.net (Twilight16)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 01:21:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] sale at renstore
Message-ID: <00ad01c35987$78b37630$0300a8c0@pavilion>

Greetings one and all,

Thought some of you might like this sale some stuff is up to 50% off.. Renstore.com

Baroness Elayne




From merlainenisaille at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  3 04:57:04 2003
From: merlainenisaille at hotmail.com (Merlaine ni Saille)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 07:57:04 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
Message-ID: <Sea2-F200xJdQdSe9g400012f0e@hotmail.com>

if you pose that question to the "SCAFoodsandFeasts" yahoogroup, I'm more 
than certain that they could find something similar.. 'fer instance: candied 
nuts (not pecans, they're indigenous to the US only), were served during the 
meal.. I can't tell you right now where in the meal it was, but there are 
several who do... I would suggest Master Huen of the Godecookery website.

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From vscribe at ansteorra.org  Sun Aug  3 07:42:28 2003
From: vscribe at ansteorra.org (Ansteorra Virtual Scribe)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:42:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030802203430.03345fc8@postoffice.swbell.net>
Message-ID: <03c301c359ce$6b994e10$31baee0c@c59303a>

Well, to throw a wrench into the works here .... my mom is from South
America and she has been making this "candy" for many years. I always
thought they were pralines. Look like them, taste like them, I hate the nuts
so she makes them without the nuts just for me but insists that is how the
tradition calls for them to be made. Mom is not one to be argued with. 5
foot tall tornado who is always right .... :)

I will send you the recipe if you like.

Chiara
Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan O'Neal" <catmafia at swbell.net>
To: <Northkeep at ansteorra.org>; <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:41 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question


: I'm pretty sure these are post period, but many of you guys make them (and
: are from Louisiana) and can send me recipes off list.  These are one of my
: favorite things and the ones Kit's friend brought from New Orleans just
: wern't that good, so I was going to make some.  This started me thinking
: about the fact that this is one of those things I learned from my mom and
: was never done with a recipe, you just did it and with whatever of the
: basic ingredience you had available-meaning I've made them possibly
: hundreds of different ways.  So I went to search for a recipe and found 10
: or so and was struck by how most were things I had done, but all were
: different.
:
: I would love to hear how you all do it and what qualities the end result
: had, my favorite are the thick, creamy ones-but tend to enjoy any of the
: results.  I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole,
: which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  I also found the name
: of the person they were supposidly named after,
: http://www.thelouisianageneralstore.com/Merchant/pralines.html
:
: Looking forward to hearing how everyone makes them,
:
: Susan the Curious
: catmafia at swbell.net
:
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From mtucker at airmail.net  Sun Aug  3 09:06:41 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:06:41 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline question
In-Reply-To: <03c301c359ce$6b994e10$31baee0c@c59303a>
Message-ID: <781F71F1-C5CC-11D7-84B9-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Sunday, August 3, 2003, at 09:42  AM, Ansteorra Virtual Scribe wrote:

> Well, to throw a wrench into the works here .... my mom is from South
> America and she has been making this "candy" for many years. I always
> thought they were pralines. ...
>
> Chiara
> Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
>

According to the article which Stefan referred to in his Florilegium 
(which I read last night), there was a traditional Spanish/Catalan 
candy from our period. My completely unfounded guess is that this (or 
something like it; there were lots of variations on the theme, 
according to the article) might have been a source of inspiration for 
whoever developed the Praline. And it might be the ancestor of the 
South American confection which was handed down to your mom. It seems 
logical, anyway.

Yours,
Michael Silverhands



From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Sun Aug  3 10:50:05 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:50:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030803125003.01619360@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 10:39 PM 8/2/03 -0500, you wrote:

(snip)

>> Bryn Gwlad: Their Magnificent Excellencies (hey, I live there; you think I
>> want the Baronial Guard knocking on my door at 3:00 A.M.? <G>)
>>
>> -Tivar Moondragon


>Considering two of the guard live in your house I doubt we'd need to knock
>at 3:00 a.m. ; )
>HL Duncan MacConacher na' Dunheath
>Captain, Baronial Guard
> &
>Tivars Cadet


And that's supposed to reassure me?

	-Tivar Moondragon


From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Sun Aug  3 10:57:45 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:57:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030803125745.016185a8@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 10:41 PM 8/2/03 -0500, you wrote:

>> <snipped>
>> 
>> Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies
>> 
>> -Tivar Moondragon


>> Do I really want to know the story behind this???
>> 
>>    Phelippe (the Wary)


>Tell us a story Uncle Tivar!
>Aerin


It's a pun on bear/bare. Bjornsborg has bears on their arms, the group was
once called "Bear's Fort" (until the name was translated to "Bjornsborg")
and the mundane location is in Bexar (pronounced "bay-are" or "bear")
County, which is the home of the Alamo--the most famous fort in Texas.

(And I probably shouldn't mention what was common dress at Barbarian
Invitational in Bjornsborg, back in the old days. <G>)

	-Tivar Moondragon



From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  3 12:09:03 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:09:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] sale at renstore
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c35987$78b37630$0300a8c0@pavilion>
Message-ID: <20030803190903.11820.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you, excellency.  I used to work for them when I lived in Ax.  Not good to work for in alot of ways, but they are really good to customers.

Twilight16 <twilit16 at swbell.net> wrote:Greetings one and all,

Thought some of you might like this sale some stuff is up to 50% off.. Renstore.com

Baroness Elayne


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From muriel at entelesoft.com  Sun Aug  3 12:30:48 2003
From: muriel at entelesoft.com (muriel at entelesoft.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:30:48 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030731184721.01638af0@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c359f5$be614090$b7026144@kim>

And of course we can't forget....

His Flaming Excellency of Wiesenfeuer.

--Muriel and Donnchadh Beag who can't believe no one mentioned that yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Chris Zakes
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:47 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility


At 06:09 PM 7/31/03 -0500, you wrote:

>"Their Oaken Excellencies" speaks of the stalwart strength of the Oak Tree
>and of Their Excellencies Steppes.
>
>Morgan the Taller


Let's see...

Steppes: Their Downtrodden Excellencies

Stargate: Their Spaced-Out Excellencies

Bjornsborg: Their Bare Excellencies

Bordermarch: Their Borderline Excellencies

Elfsea: Their Fair, but Soggy Excellencies

Eldern Hills: Their Ancient Excellencies

Bonwicke: Their Bonwicked Excellencies

Namron: Their Twisted (or perhaps Blowhard) Excellencies

Ravensfort: Their Flighty Excellencies

Northkeep: Their Distant Excellencies

Bryn Gwlad: Their Magnificent Excellencies (hey, I live there; you think I
want the Baronial Guard knocking on my door at 3:00 A.M.? <G>)

	-Tivar Moondragon
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From uther at lcc.net  Sun Aug  3 12:39:09 2003
From: uther at lcc.net (mike young)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:39:09 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] calendar
Message-ID: <009a01c359f6$e9ac35b0$0100a8c0@theparents>


Last changed: 7/31/03

*PED = Perpetual Event Date

 

August 2003
1?3          Steppes Artisan Competition ? Steppes (Dallas, TX) 

               Midsummer Faire  ? Gates Edge (Houston, TX)

8?10        Lughnasad ? Loch Ruadh (Benbrook/White Settlement, TX)

               Westgate Winter Collegium ? Westgate (Houston, TX)

                (during Pennsic)

15?17      (during Pennsic)

22?24      Artisan of the Flame ? Glaslyn (Denton, TX) 

29?31      Wiesenfeuer Baronial ? Wiesenfeuer  (Oklahoma City, OK) *PED

                Gothic Wars ? Cross Roads Keep (Big Springs, TX)*

1              Monday ? September 1st
 

September 2003
1              Monday ? September 1st
5?7          Battle of the Pines ? Greywood (Lufkin/Nacogdoches TX) 

12?14      A Day at the Coliseum ? Stargate (Houston, Tx)

                 Mooneschadowe Guardian XXIII - Mooneschadowe (Stillwater, OK)

19?21       Defender of the Fort ? RavensFort (Huntsville, TX) *PED

                German Fest ? Brad Leah (Wichita Falls, TX)

26?28      Elfsea Defender ? Elfsea (Ft. Worth, TX) *PED

               Golden Arrow String of Pearls ? Stonebridge Keep (Victoria, Tx)

 

October 2003
3?5          Battle of Three Kings ? Rosenfeld (Tyler, TX) 

10?12      Namron Protectorate ? Namron (Norman , OK) *PED

               Cour d? Amour ? Gates Edge (Houston, Tx)

                Sunday ? Columbus Day
17?19      Heroes ? Bjornsborg (San Antonio, TX) *PED

24?26      Samhain Celebration ? Eldern Hills (Lawton/Ft. Sills, OK) *PED

                Samhain Stew ? Tempio (Temple, TX)

               Seawinds Defender String of Pearls ? Shire of Seawinds (Corpus Christi, Tx)

               Fall Arts Symposium ? Loch Ruadh- ( Ft. Worth, Tx)

 

November 2003
31?2        Crown Tourney ? Dragonsfire Tor  ? (Stephenville, Tx)

                Friday ? Halloween

              January Queen's Champion Bids Due
7?9          Bryn Gwlad Fall Event  ?  Bryn Gwlad (Austin, TX) 

               WinterKingdom ? Northkeep (Tulsa , OK)

14?16      Harvest Dance ? Mendersham (Abilene, TX) 

                Warchieftain/Cavalier of the Bridge ? Middleford (Killeen/Ft Hood/Copperas Cove, TX) 

                Autumn Melees ? Bordermarch (Beaumont, TX) *PED

21?23      Hunter?s Moon ? Emerald Keep (Waco, Tx)

27                Thursday ? Thanksgiving
28?30

 

December 2003
5?7                Dragonsfire Tor Yule Revel ? Dragonsfire Tor (Stephenville, TX) 

               Wiesenfeuer Yule Revel ? (Oklahoma City, OK)

                Ffynnon Gath Yule Revel-(San Marcos, Tx)

12?14      Stargate Yule Revel ? Stargate (Houston, TX) 

               Bonwicke Twelfth Night ? Bonwicke (Lubbock, Tx)

19?21     Tourney of the Golden Hart ? La Marche Sauvage (McAllen, TX)

25                Thursday ? Christmas Day
26?28      

 

January 2004
1                Thursday ? New Year?s Day         
2?4          Steppes 12th Night Court and Feast ? Steppes (Dallas, TX) 

9?11                Coronation ? TBA

16?18      King?s Round Table ? TBA

               May Crown Tourney Bids Due - Southern Region

19           Monday ? Martin Luther King Jr. Day
23?24      Queens Champion ? TBA

30?1                Kingdom A&S ? TBA

 

February 2004
6?8                Candlemas Feast ? Bryn Gwlad (Austin , TX) *PED 

13?15      Border Wars ? Lindenwood (Irving, TX) 

                Un Jour Dans La Vie Bis ? Ravens Fort (Huntsville, TX) 

               Coastal Invasion ? Seawinds (Corpus Christi, TX)

20?22      Tourney of the Black Stag XIII ? La Marche Sauvage (McAllen, TX) 

                War College ? Wiesenfeuer (Oklahoma City, OK)

27?29                Bjornsborg Spring Court ? Bjornsborg (San Antonio, TX)

              

 

 

 



From marccarlson20 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  3 14:29:47 2003
From: marccarlson20 at hotmail.com (Marc Carlson)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:29:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>

>Northkeep: Their Distant Excellencies

"Distant"?

Actually they are extremely approachable...

Marc/Diarmaid

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From kitty at swbell.net  Sun Aug  3 15:17:29 2003
From: kitty at swbell.net (Kitty O'Neal)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine>

> Actually they are extremely approachable...
> 
> Marc/Diarmaid

Unless you live in, say, La Marche Sauvage...

Ekaterina


From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  3 16:32:43 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 18:32:43 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <BAY1-F12BvRnfvcySa40001b444@hotmail.com>

Well they would be there just in case some of the other Baronial Guard came 
to call.

plachoya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra



>
> >Considering two of the guard live in your house I doubt we'd need to 
>knock
> >at 3:00 a.m. ; )
> >HL Duncan MacConacher na' Dunheath
> >Captain, Baronial Guard
> > &
> >Tivars Cadet
>
>
>And that's supposed to reassure me?
>
>	-Tivar Moondragon

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From ggavit at interconnect.net  Sun Aug  3 18:53:52 2003
From: ggavit at interconnect.net (Gail Gavit)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 20:53:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
Message-ID: <002701c35a2b$42054100$9b25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gail Gavit" <ggavit at interconnect.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys


> This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
> Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed a
> dark hour.
> Lady Katherine Brandon
> Seneschal (Acting)
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" <mystikal_dragon_master at juno.com>
> To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
> Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>
>
> > My friends,
> >
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> > Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
threatening
> > head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10 this
> > evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
> > should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
> >
> >
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From steldr at cox.net  Mon Aug  4 06:37:32 2003
From: steldr at cox.net (Mercedes/Stephanie)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:37:32 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>
	<001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine>
Message-ID: <00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>

Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I prefer
Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.

Mercedes
Baroness of Northkeep

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kitty O'Neal" <kitty at swbell.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] re: Epithets for Landed Nobility


> Actually they are extremely approachable...
>
> Marc/Diarmaid

Unless you live in, say, La Marche Sauvage...

Ekaterina
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From russ at randomgang.com  Mon Aug  4 06:51:26 2003
From: russ at randomgang.com (Chandranath)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 08:51:26 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com>
	<001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine>
	<00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>
Message-ID: <183439125.1059987086@[192.168.39.2]>



--On Monday, August 04, 2003 8:37 AM -0500 "Mercedes/Stephanie" 
<steldr at cox.net> wrote:

> Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
> they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I
> prefer Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.

I think of you as Their Well-Fortified Excellencies, you know.

Chandra

-- 
Lord Chandranath <russ{at}randomgang.com>
"Per pale sable and gules, a decrescent argent."
mka Russ Smith (http://www.randomgang.com/~russ/)


From steldr at cox.net  Mon Aug  4 07:17:45 2003
From: steldr at cox.net (Mercedes/Stephanie)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:17:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re:  Epithets for Landed Nobility
References: <Law9-F41HZhMdwEV4yE000249d0@hotmail.com><001701c35a0d$07883eb0$0400a8c0@Kathrine><00ba01c35a8d$8e947b50$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>
	<183439125.1059987086@[192.168.39.2]>
Message-ID: <015901c35a93$2cfe46e0$45c8000a@matrixservice.com>

Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I like that!!!!

Mercedes

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chandranath" <russ at randomgang.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] re: Epithets for Landed Nobility




--On Monday, August 04, 2003 8:37 AM -0500 "Mercedes/Stephanie" 
<steldr at cox.net> wrote:

> Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
> they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I
> prefer Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.

I think of you as Their Well-Fortified Excellencies, you know.

Chandra

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From gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu  Mon Aug  4 07:47:33 2003
From: gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Gail Taylor)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:47:33 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
References: <002701c35a2b$42054100$9b25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>
Message-ID: <3F2E7205.4020300@lonestar.utsa.edu>

Is Lawrence the Rampant, David?  Was he injured?  Or another brother?

Isobel

Gail Gavit wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Gail Gavit" <ggavit at interconnect.net>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
>Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>
>
>  
>
>>This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
>>Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed a
>>dark hour.
>>Lady Katherine Brandon
>>Seneschal (Acting)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" <mystikal_dragon_master at juno.com>
>>To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
>>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>My friends,
>>>
>>>I have some dreadfull news to give you. My brother David was involved in
>>>a serious motorcycle accident in Florida today around 10:45am EDT. The
>>>other person did not see David on his bike and supposedly ran him over.
>>>>From what I have gotten from my mother and the trauma news at Orlando
>>>Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
>>>      
>>>
>threatening
>  
>
>>>head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10 this
>>>evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
>>>should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
>>>
>>>
>>>Russ aka Drake(SCA)
>>>
>>>________________________________________________________________
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>>>      
>>>
>Canada.
>  
>
>>Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark & more.
>>    
>>
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From morgancain at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  4 08:33:18 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:33:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] WordFame to Teens
Message-ID: <00a201c35a9d$c12b1fa0$ae051e43@homeseries>

I want to commend a lot of our children and teens who helped out, even in small ways, at Steppes Artisan this weekend.  Lady Donnel already told how her children helped, all Friday evening and for setup and tear-down on Saturday, and I second her on all the effort they gave.  Richard and Emily were not the only ones helping; she's just better at remembering her children's names than I am at remembering those of all whom I spotted helping.  There were no organized children's activities, but they made their own fun, in the hall and in the playlot and around the legal areas of site.  I saw many children and teens helping in various ways - waterbearing (Lady Gerita told me the only responder to her request for assistance was a young boy); managing a list table; fetching and carrying; older looking after smaller (through MANY swings in the playyard); helping to roll hoses and otherwise assist in breakdown on the field; folding banners (with just a little instruction); and when I appeared on the deck with a trashbag in hand in the evening I was almost instantly confronted with a line of teens with empty bottles and other trash, so that the desk was cleared in about a minute.

I didn't get all the names, for which I am very sorry.  Who thinks to carry a notepad to pick up trash?  There were "the usual suspects" and some new faces as well.  Several of them asked me questions about why things were so for the event, always politely, and their conversations were always within acceptable boundaries of politeness and volume.  For all that we read in the papers about how teens cause trouble, about children running wild, I didn't see it at Steppes Artisan.  (OK, there was the early lineup at the supper buffet, but that hardly counts.)  Remember, these are our future, and I think we can be proud.

VIVANT!

                            ---= Morgan the Short Twin

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea,
 never regains its original dimensions."
                                 ---= Oliver Wendell Holmes
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)



From prand at swbell.net  Mon Aug  4 08:37:41 2003
From: prand at swbell.net (Patty)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:37:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
In-Reply-To: <3F2E7205.4020300@lonestar.utsa.edu>
Message-ID: <20030804153741.7535.qmail@web80203.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes it is Lawrence who is injured.  We do not have many details except what his brother sent.  He is supposedly stable but that is all we know.  Kim arrived last night, hopefully we will get more news soon. Please keep Lawrence and his family in your prayers.
 
Catriona

Gail Taylor <gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> wrote:
Is Lawrence the Rampant, David? Was he injured? Or another brother?

Isobel

Gail Gavit wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Gail Gavit" 
>To: 
>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
>Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>
>
> 
>
>>This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
>>Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed a
>>dark hour.
>>Lady Katherine Brandon
>>Seneschal (Acting)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" 
>>To: 
>>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
>>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>>My friends,
>>>
>>>I have some dreadfull news to give you. My brother David was involved in
>>>a serious motorcycle accident in Florida today around 10:45am EDT. The
>>>other person did not see David on his bike and supposedly ran him over.
>>>>From what I have gotten from my mother and the trauma news at Orlando
>>>Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
>>> 
>>>
>threatening
> 
>
>>>head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10 this
>>>evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
>>>should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
>>>
>>>
>>>Russ aka Drake(SCA)
>>>
>>>________________________________________________________________
>>>The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
>>>Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
>>>Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
>>>
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>>> 
>>>
>Canada.
> 
>
>>Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark & more.
>> 
>>
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>>>http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/PJ_qlB/TM
>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------~->
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> 
>>>
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From Medicfem at aol.com  Mon Aug  4 08:43:42 2003
From: Medicfem at aol.com (Medicfem at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:43:42 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
Message-ID: <aa.2099d14e.2c5fd92e@aol.com>

It is David. Centurion lawrence. seawinds seneshal. shire guard captain, 
order of the falcon, squire times two.

all is still in limbo right now. kim and his mom are there. send lots of 
prayers their way.

a very sad seawinder and friend,

caley


From sharon at polkawitch.com  Mon Aug  4 09:14:43 2003
From: sharon at polkawitch.com (sharon)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:14:43 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
References: <aa.2099d14e.2c5fd92e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101c35aa3$867046a0$f9bc6620@SharonLaptop>

i just got this news. I am very sad to hear this.
I pray very hard for his recovery.  If anyone can get Kim word, pls let her
know that my thoughts are with them.

Vivaine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Medicfem at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys


> It is David. Centurion lawrence. seawinds seneshal. shire guard captain,
> order of the falcon, squire times two.
>
> all is still in limbo right now. kim and his mom are there. send lots of
> prayers their way.
>
> a very sad seawinder and friend,
>
> caley
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From born2bonstage at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  4 10:07:35 2003
From: born2bonstage at yahoo.com (Little Dancer)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:07:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] My prayers are with you...
Message-ID: <20030804170735.22398.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com>

My prayers are with you...
 
The Gypsy Brenna O'dempsy


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From hillaryrg at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  4 10:42:27 2003
From: hillaryrg at yahoo.com (Hillary Greenslade)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:42:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline Question
Message-ID: <20030804174228.41910.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>

<<I also noticed that they were either credited as being Creole, 
which I had expected, and as Mexican that I hadn't.  >>

I grew up in south Texas; and they are found in every Mexican food
restaurant everywhere.  I would never have considered them a French
confectionary, but rather from Spain or Castille, as the Florilegium
suggests. As Spain and France are border neighbors, possible culture
exchange in foods occurred.   

Since the recipe's simple, it's not inconcievable that it was found in
several cultures (Spain, France, native Indians of the Americas), and time
has 'standardized' the name and current form.   I prefer pralines
hard/crunchy, not soft/chewy. 

Hillary 


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From marccarlson20 at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  4 10:54:02 2003
From: marccarlson20 at hotmail.com (Marc Carlson)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 12:54:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] re: Epithets for Landed Nobility
Message-ID: <Law9-F59q9LwLLbeI8K0002a956@hotmail.com>

--On Monday, Chandra wrote:
>>Oh no, we'd be approachable to the people of La March Sauvage as well,
>>they'd just have to travel further to approach us.  :)  Personally, I
>>prefer Their "OMG it's a how many hour drive?!?!" Excellencies.
>I think of you as Their Well-Fortified Excellencies, you know.

15 essential minerals and vitamins added in...

(And Kitty, my point wsa that traveling distance is releative -- they are 
just as distant from the folks down in la Marche Sauvage as the folks down 
in La Marche Sauvage are from us.  And to consider them "their Distant 
Excellencies" perpetuates the belief that it's just too far to travel to 
come and visit us up here, when there are members of our populace (and of 
Mooneschadowes, and the rest) who are willing to suck it up to travel to the 
distant lands to the south.  Not me mind you, but other people - like Their 
Excellencies.

Which might make them "Their willing-to-travel-regularly Excellencies" 
although I can see that this might be a little long for this particular 
project.

Marc/Diarmaid

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From swieland at direcway.com  Mon Aug  4 11:21:24 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:21:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Praline Question
In-Reply-To: <20030804174228.41910.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030804132022.00a1b540@pop3.direcway.com>

At 10:42 AM 8/4/03 -0700, you wrote:


>Since the recipe's simple, it's not inconcievable that it was found in
>several cultures (Spain, France, native Indians of the Americas), and time
>has 'standardized' the name and current form.   I prefer pralines
>hard/crunchy, not soft/chewy.
>
>Hillary

I just like 'em all. :-)

Damaris





From holland.cooley at us.army.mil  Mon Aug  4 11:11:36 2003
From: holland.cooley at us.army.mil (holland.cooley at us.army.mil)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:11:36 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Bardic Winner
Message-ID: <625e9ad62626be.62626be625e9ad@us.army.mil>

Greetings, I am trying to contact the winner of the Bardic event held at the Shire of Tempio's spring event. Any help would be greatly appreciated


Lord Alasdair Mac Roibeirt



From ggavit at interconnect.net  Mon Aug  4 12:12:03 2003
From: ggavit at interconnect.net (Gail Gavit)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:12:03 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
References: <002701c35a2b$42054100$9b25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>
	<3F2E7205.4020300@lonestar.utsa.edu>
Message-ID: <000d01c35abc$4ab87560$9c25a9d8@DDHPJZ21>

Yes, Lawrence the Rampant is David Ruiz. Yes, he was seriously injured. His
brother is th one who posted this message to the Seawinds list.
Katherine Brandon
Seneschal, Shire of Seawinds


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gail Taylor" <gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys


> Is Lawrence the Rampant, David?  Was he injured?  Or another brother?
>
> Isobel
>
> Gail Gavit wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Gail Gavit" <ggavit at interconnect.net>
> >To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:31 PM
> >Subject: Fw: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>This is a very hard message to forward to all of you. Please pray for
> >>Honorable Lord Lawrence the Rampant and for this family. This is indeed
a
> >>dark hour.
> >>Lady Katherine Brandon
> >>Seneschal (Acting)
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>From: "Russ aka Spirit Bear" <mystikal_dragon_master at juno.com>
> >>To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
> >>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:48 PM
> >>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] OT- Msge about Lord Ramseys
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>My friends,
> >>>
> >>>I have some dreadfull news to give you. My brother David was involved
in
> >>>a serious motorcycle accident in Florida today around 10:45am EDT. The
> >>>other person did not see David on his bike and supposedly ran him over.
> >>>>From what I have gotten from my mother and the trauma news at Orlando
> >>>Regional Health Center is that he has sustained critical life
> >>>
> >>>
> >threatening
> >
> >
> >>>head trauma, he is on life support. Now Kim will be there around 10
this
> >>>evening as well as mom, I will arrive tomorrow. I felt that you all
> >>>should know as you are all friends of Dave, Kim and I.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Russ aka Drake(SCA)
> >>>
> >>>________________________________________________________________
> >>>The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> >>>Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
> >>>Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
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> >
> >
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> >>
> >>
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>
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From morgancain at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  4 13:05:33 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:05:33 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Remaining Items - Lost & Found - Steppes
	Artisan/Champion/Archery
Message-ID: <012f01c35ac3$cf277ce0$ae051e43@homeseries>

Many of the items left behind have already been claimed.  The following still need owners:

1)    Arrow, blue and red fletching.

5)    Gorget.

7)    Red and gold rapier hood.

9)    Blue bag with gold straps and harp with Ansteorran star painted on the
front - please ID contents to collect.


The first three were gleaned off the field when it was cleared in the afternoon, the fourth was found in the hall during clean-up.  If you believe some item is yours, please contact me at morgancain at earthlink.net.  We have people going to Lughnasad next weekend and can deliver the items there, as well as going to Pennsic.  Not sure if anybody is going to Westgate (not)Winter Collegium, but can check.  If these don't work, we'll figure out something.

                                    ---= Morgan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea,
 never regains its original dimensions."
                                 ---= Oliver Wendell Holmes
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)



From bronwen at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug  4 19:30:27 2003
From: bronwen at austin.rr.com (Bronwen Fraseir)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:30:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant
Message-ID: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>

It is with great sadness that I impart the following news.  HL Centurion Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, squire to Sir Kief av Kiersted and Equis Romanius Scipio Vesperanius; MKA Lawrence David Ruiz left his body this morning at 3:45 am in Cocoa, Florida in the company of his wife and mother.

At this time his body is being sustained on life support and recipients have been found for his heart and liver.  The rest of his organs are being tested and recipients are being sought.

The result of his death was a severe head trauma due to a motorcycle accident early Sunday morning.  Kim asks that everyone respect her privacy and not call or e-mail until further notified while she grieves the passing of her husband and attends to business.  

There will be memorial services to be announced at a later date and she asks that no flowers be sent as a charity will be named in lieu of flowers and gifts.

Please keep Lawrence's family in your thoughts and prayers while they cope with this difficult time.

Bronwen Fraseir
DeAnn Ewing



From plsampson at hotpop.com  Mon Aug  4 22:09:12 2003
From: plsampson at hotpop.com (Penny Sampson)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:09:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant
In-Reply-To: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>
References: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>
Message-ID: <20030805000429.3A47.PLSAMPSON@hotpop.com>

I dont remember if we got the pleasure of meeting Lawrence the Rampant,
but our sympathys are with our friends from Seawinds and the family of
Laurence. 
God bless you all, and your all in our prayers as you go through this
tough time. 

Penny and Dale Sampson (Stone Bridge Keep)




From cyranobcc at netzero.net  Tue Aug  5 01:44:20 2003
From: cyranobcc at netzero.net (cyranobcc)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 03:44:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Academy of the Rapier
Message-ID: <01e301c35b2d$c5977800$c2884a43@pcname>

Greetings All!

The website for this year's Academy of the Rapier is now available at:

http://gatesedge.ansteorra.org/files/aor.htm

Look forward to seeing all there.

Ld Brian





From morgancain at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  5 06:15:29 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:15:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] One more Found item - Artisan
Message-ID: <010001c35b53$aaf37140$d4a31e43@homeseries>

While I was sorting out the box of Lost & Found items to take to Steppes Business Meeting tonight, I found one item that I overlooked before - a small pendant of a Celtic cross, a little over an inch long.  It is flat on the reverse, so was cast.

Let me know if this is yours, and it will be returned.

                                            ---= Morgan


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea,
 never regains its original dimensions."
                                 ---= Oliver Wendell Holmes
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)



From dragonetti at generich.com  Tue Aug  5 09:45:47 2003
From: dragonetti at generich.com (Armand Dragonetti)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:45:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant
References: <006e01c35af9$954ddb50$6501a8c0@Emerald>
Message-ID: <00b501c35b71$05a901a0$34bafea9@Prowler>

Many of us know names. Many of us know faces. Some of us know the names and
faces. I've known a man by name, face and deed; with the heart of a lion;
near knighthood; and truly a knight in my mind already.
My squire brother and friend,
HL Centurion Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle.
http://www.generich.com/elfsea/steppeswarlord02/sw02-31.jpg

It pains me to say goodbye. You will be sorely missed, but never forgotten.

Armand Dragonetti

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bronwen Fraseir" <bronwen at austin.rr.com>
To: <Ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Cc: <Ansteorra-Squires at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:30 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] HL Lawrence the Rampant


It is with great sadness that I impart the following news.  HL Centurion
Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, squire to Sir Kief av Kiersted and Equis
Romanius Scipio Vesperanius; MKA Lawrence David Ruiz left his body this
morning at 3:45 am in Cocoa, Florida in the company of his wife and mother.

At this time his body is being sustained on life support and recipients have
been found for his heart and liver.  The rest of his organs are being tested
and recipients are being sought.

The result of his death was a severe head trauma due to a motorcycle
accident early Sunday morning.  Kim asks that everyone respect her privacy
and not call or e-mail until further notified while she grieves the passing
of her husband and attends to business.

There will be memorial services to be announced at a later date and she asks
that no flowers be sent as a charity will be named in lieu of flowers and
gifts.

Please keep Lawrence's family in your thoughts and prayers while they cope
with this difficult time.

Bronwen Fraseir
DeAnn Ewing

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From gam at door.net  Tue Aug  5 15:15:40 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:15:40 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Pity Party
Message-ID: <000e01c35b9f$1c9a2e60$6701a8c0@anns>

Greetings Good People,

Bonwicke's Pennsic Pity Paty is just days away are you ready?

I have a sorta schedule for anyone interested.  NOTHING is set in stone and very subject to change.  

Friday if you want to show up  beware we may not be at the house until 5ish.  Just call 806-787-8007 that would be my cell I will be in town taking care of mundane stuff.

Saturday 
Get up around 7ish my kids will make sure of that whether we want them to or not. 

After that we will do stuff.  Breakfast, food is always high on the list of things to do.  If you want to bring stuff to cook we will.  
Then if the Rapiers wish to get started before it gets to hot lets do.  Prize will be a fighters cloak made with your colors.  
After that we will relax the day away with stories and songs, arts and sciences.  Her Excellency will field questions on scrolls and other subjects.  And if you have a arts question or project please bring it and we will do the best to answer questions or provide projects for persons to do.  Idle hand leds to mischief I have been told.  Don't forget there is a bardic of No ******* there I was for the day story.

Then when it starts to cool off again, we will start the heavy tourney.  The prize will be a pair of steel half gauntlets.

Food will be served sometime.  Yes it will.  I have a brisket and a turkey that will be served, do not forget to bring a pot luck for the feast.  

If you have anything you wish to see done or do at the PPP please let me know.

May you have a safe journey in your travels be it Pennsic or the Barony of Bonwicke's Pennsic Pity Party

Anastasiya

Directions
>From points East and South. Make your way to I-27 head north past the airport. Take exit 11 (FM 1294) heading west. approximately 10 miles you will come to a gently curve. There will be a crossroad there turn right. You are now on FM 2528. The site is the 7th house. Sign will be posted. 

Points North coming down I-27 please take exit 11 and follow previous instruction.

Points West if coming from Brownfield take loop to North Frankford (FM 2528) go past the Walmart and then on to Clovis Hwy (84). Go across railroad tracks, you will come to a stop sign approximately 6 miles continue there that until you come to the 7th house. Signs will be posted.

If coming from Clovis, take the first stop light left across railroad tracks and follow previous instructions.

If you get lost call 806-741-1828 or 806-787-8007



PS did I finally make it to the western regional list. Please say yes.

Anastasiya


From bronwen at austin.rr.com  Tue Aug  5 22:25:10 2003
From: bronwen at austin.rr.com (Bronwen Fraseir)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:25:10 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lawrence's Last Gift
Message-ID: <003301c35bdb$1b9d87a0$6501a8c0@Emerald>

Lawrence's wife Kim (Muirin) wanted all to know that she is happy to announce that for her birthday, 8/5/03, her last gift from her husband was the donation of his organs to several recipients.

Lawrence was an organ donor and recipients were found for all of his major organs.  There are several people who will live longer, healthier lives thanks to this gift.

Bronwen Fraseir
DeAnn Ewing

From Reihla at aol.com  Wed Aug  6 09:46:43 2003
From: Reihla at aol.com (Reihla at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:46:43 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lawrence's Last Gift
Message-ID: <1a4.18319df4.2c628af3@aol.com>

> Lawrence was an organ donor and recipients were found for all of 
> his major organs.  There are several people who will live longer, 
> healthier lives thanks to this gift.

Though he was my brother Centurion I didn't know Lawrence well because we 
lived so far apart.  However, many are the tales I heard of his fighting prowess 
and battlefield heroism.  Thank you for telling us of his last gift.  It is a 
story truly worthy of an Ansteorran hero.  In my mind Lawrence will join the 
list of people I remember whenever I hear the phrase "because that's what 
heroes do."  

- Cts. Kat, CSS


From hillaryrg at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  6 12:19:59 2003
From: hillaryrg at yahoo.com (Hillary Greenslade)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:19:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
Message-ID: <20030806191959.80678.qmail@web12809.mail.yahoo.com>

Pulled from another list, for those with cable.  
Enjoy, Hillary 


Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
It must have been one of his last projects, it's
dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.

Looks like some members of Britannia and other
English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
hillfort recreations and shots.

Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
recreations, with actors and reenactors.
I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.

It has some interesting side bits - like
the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.

A video and CD of the program is available from
the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
http://tlc.discovery.com/


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From cellach at breezykilt.com  Wed Aug  6 13:12:02 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:12:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
References: <20030806191959.80678.qmail@web12809.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <02a801c35c56$ffda1110$1208a8c0@bobby>

I watched this last night.  It wasn't riveting entertainment, although, it
was certainly worth watching.  I recommend it.

Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hillary Greenslade" <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:19 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite


> Pulled from another list, for those with cable.
> Enjoy, Hillary
>
>
> Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
> Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
> King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
> The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
> It must have been one of his last projects, it's
> dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.
>
> Looks like some members of Britannia and other
> English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
> but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
> of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
> hillfort recreations and shots.
>
> Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
> recreations, with actors and reenactors.
> I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
> The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
> is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
> Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.
>
> It has some interesting side bits - like
> the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
> cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
> in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
> stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
> fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
> the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
> the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
> removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
> Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
> but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.
>
> A video and CD of the program is available from
> the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
> when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
> http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
> Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
> http://tlc.discovery.com/
>
>
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From baroness_maleah at cox.net  Wed Aug  6 20:38:05 2003
From: baroness_maleah at cox.net (Maleah)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:38:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
Message-ID: <005501c35c95$50221800$6400a8c0@banshee>

I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir Gunthar. If someone has that
info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,
Maleah
Baroness of Namron



From sarapenrose at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  7 07:06:05 2003
From: sarapenrose at yahoo.com (Kimberly Koch)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
In-Reply-To: <005501c35c95$50221800$6400a8c0@banshee>
Message-ID: <20030807140605.12347.qmail@web12707.mail.yahoo.com>

Answered privately.

--- Maleah <baroness_maleah at cox.net> wrote:
> I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir
> Gunthar. If someone has that
> info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly
> appreciate it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Maleah
> Baroness of Namron
> 
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From macpob1 at airmail.net  Thu Aug  7 08:05:22 2003
From: macpob1 at airmail.net (Martha A. Compton)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Oops! Another Steppes Artisan Thanks
Message-ID: <20030807100522.B8947@stardock.pug.net>

Due to post-event craziness I neglected to thank our gracious Central
Regional Scribe, H.L. Ceinwen ferch Rhuel , for hand delivering blank
scrolls to us for the charter painting table.  I apologize for the
oversight and send her the grateful thanks of the entire Steppes scribal
community.

H.L. Muireann
Principal, Steppes Calligraphers & Illuminators Guild
--
Alis volat propriis - She flies with her own wings.


From Charley at lcc.net  Thu Aug  7 08:05:42 2003
From: Charley at lcc.net (Charley Atchley)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:42 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
Message-ID: <20030807100542.C8947@stardock.pug.net>

Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning. 

http://www.msnusers.com/AdamickFamily

Athaulf


From lg_photo at texas.net  Thu Aug  7 15:24:29 2003
From: lg_photo at texas.net (Alice Morrow Harris)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:24:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
References: <20030807100542.C8947@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <3F32D19E.948AB82B@texas.net>



Charley Atchley wrote:

> Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning.
>

Greetings From Alina:

Congratulations on your new baby son. Wishing your wife a speedy recuperation after the surgery to delivery of your precious one.

Wishing You And Your Wife Many Wonderful Times With Your Son,
Alina



From smithfamily at paxway.com  Thu Aug  7 18:02:33 2003
From: smithfamily at paxway.com (Tom & Kim Smith)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:02:33 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Feast still available
Message-ID: <009101c35d48$c11122a0$cf864a43@Eadgar>

Feast for the Westgate Winter Collegium event this weekend Saturday August 9 are still available, come one, come all !

Feast will be sold at the door on a first come first served basis, no more reservations taken as of today.

The menu is: 
french bread, butter, white bean soup flavored with thyme, bacon and green onion sprinkles
roast pork loin with pan reduction sauce, glazed carrots
"boerf" bourginion, green vegetables in season, rice
peach pie
lemonade


From gam at door.net  Thu Aug  7 15:31:31 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:31:31 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] PPP
Message-ID: <002601c35d33$a72d8780$6701a8c0@anns>

The day is set and arrangements have been made are you prepared to travel to War or do you just need some friends to share your pity of not being able to attend Pennsic.  Then do as you must.  Just remember Bonwicke has prepared to help you with your pity.

Just us this weekend if you have no where else to turn.  

Have a safe trip when you travel this weekend.  

With warm thoughts 

Anastasiya

From SiobhanON at aol.com  Fri Aug  8 07:18:27 2003
From: SiobhanON at aol.com (SiobhanON at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:18:27 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Chirurgeons/Elfsea Defender
Message-ID: <6.1689d69a.2c650b33@aol.com>

Greetings,
    I will be Chirurgeon in Charge at Elfsea's 25th Defender. I need 
volunteers to work shifts. We will be having all manner of competition, including 
Equestrian, so we can not have too many chirurgeons. Please contact me privately, 
or on the list, if you are interested in working a shift or apprenticing. Let 
me know the hours you will be available and I will work up a schedule. 
Many thanks.
Siobhan


From caladin at io.com  Fri Aug  8 12:22:10 2003
From: caladin at io.com (caladin)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:22:10 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lughnasad Chiv tourney question...
References: <200308071700.h77H05A04348@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <002001c35de2$5d487e90$ca02e00a@austin.mgam>


Anyone know the format of the Lughnasaad Chivalric tourney this weekend?

I'd like to know what to pack, stick wise.

Thanks!

Caladin-


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>    2. Re: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
>       (Cellach Ferguson)
>    3. ISO Count Gunthar (Maleah)
>    4. Re: ISO Count Gunthar (Kimberly Koch)
>    5. Oops! Another Steppes Artisan Thanks (Martha A. Compton)
>    6. A new birth (Charley Atchley)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:19:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Hillary Greenslade <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs
> Nite
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <20030806191959.80678.qmail at web12809.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Pulled from another list, for those with cable.
> Enjoy, Hillary
>
>
> Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
> Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
> King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
> The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
> It must have been one of his last projects, it's
> dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.
>
> Looks like some members of Britannia and other
> English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
> but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
> of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
> hillfort recreations and shots.
>
> Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
> recreations, with actors and reenactors.
> I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
> The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
> is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
> Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.
>
> It has some interesting side bits - like
> the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
> cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
> in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
> stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
> fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
> the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
> the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
> removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
> Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
> but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.
>
> A video and CD of the program is available from
> the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
> when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
> http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
> Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
> http://tlc.discovery.com/
>
>
> __________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:12:02 -0500
> From: "Cellach Ferguson" <cellach at breezykilt.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program
> Thurs Nite
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <02a801c35c56$ffda1110$1208a8c0 at bobby>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I watched this last night.  It wasn't riveting entertainment, although, it
> was certainly worth watching.  I recommend it.
>
> Cellach Ferguson
> Alba Gu Brath!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hillary Greenslade" <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:19 PM
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs
Nite
>
>
> > Pulled from another list, for those with cable.
> > Enjoy, Hillary
> >
> >
> > Subject: Richard Harris narrates King Arthur Program Thurs Nite
> > Richard Harris narrates a new to the USA at least
> > King Arthur Program Thurday Nite at 10pm EST on
> > The Learning Channel - TLC. Set in the fifth century.
> > It must have been one of his last projects, it's
> > dated 2002. Dedicated to him at the end.
> >
> > Looks like some members of Britannia and other
> > English groups are in it. One of the Roman Groups
> > but doesn't look quite like the standard shots
> > of the Ermine Street Guard. Some equestrian and
> > hillfort recreations and shots.
> >
> > Combines mythology with archaeology, computer
> > recreations, with actors and reenactors.
> > I won't rate it but it's a bit interesting.
> > The reenactors don't look bad at all. The scenery
> > is pretty. The dark age vessel taking Arthur to
> > Avalon seems to be magically self propelled.
> >
> > It has some interesting side bits - like
> > the sword in the stone actually being a bronze sword
> > cast in a heated slate-colored stone mold held vertically
> > in a stand. The casting of the bronze sword in a long
> > stone mold is shown. It shows the heating and
> > fluxing in the crucible, taking it out, rearranging
> > the tongs on it, and the metal being poured and
> > the mold opened shortly thereafter and the hot sword
> > removed with very little side flashing. Of course by
> > Arthur's time they were centuries into their Iron Age,
> > but who knows what ancient tales were handed down.
> >
> > A video and CD of the program is available from
> > the Discovery Channel store by clicking on TLC
> > when you get there or over the web or 1-800-9439720
> > http://www.discovery.com/?channel=DSC
> > Or if it's not working correctly as it's not now:
> > http://tlc.discovery.com/
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:38:05 -0500
> From: "Maleah" <baroness_maleah at cox.net>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
> To: "Ansteorra" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <005501c35c95$50221800$6400a8c0 at banshee>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir Gunthar. If someone has
that
> info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
> Maleah
> Baroness of Namron
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kimberly Koch <sarapenrose at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ISO Count Gunthar
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <20030807140605.12347.qmail at web12707.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Answered privately.
>
> --- Maleah <baroness_maleah at cox.net> wrote:
> > I am needing a land mail address for Count Sir
> > Gunthar. If someone has that
> > info or could pass this along to him I'd greatly
> > appreciate it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Maleah
> > Baroness of Namron
> >
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> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:22 -0500
> From: "Martha A. Compton" <macpob1 at airmail.net>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Oops! Another Steppes Artisan Thanks
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <20030807100522.B8947 at stardock.pug.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Due to post-event craziness I neglected to thank our gracious Central
> Regional Scribe, H.L. Ceinwen ferch Rhuel , for hand delivering blank
> scrolls to us for the charter painting table.  I apologize for the
> oversight and send her the grateful thanks of the entire Steppes scribal
> community.
>
> H.L. Muireann
> Principal, Steppes Calligraphers & Illuminators Guild
> --
> Alis volat propriis - She flies with her own wings.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:05:42 -0500
> From: Charley Atchley <Charley at lcc.net>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <20030807100542.C8947 at stardock.pug.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda
Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a
new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning.
>
> http://www.msnusers.com/AdamickFamily
>
> Athaulf
>
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From Patrickandjulia at aol.com  Fri Aug  8 16:45:03 2003
From: Patrickandjulia at aol.com (Patrickandjulia at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:45:03 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Another Loss
Message-ID: <41.325cbba9.2c658fff@aol.com>

We would like to share the news of the passing of Baroness Pashley's husband 
this morning.  While he did not participate in our Society as his Ladywife, he 
supported her faithfully in her endeavors to make the SCA a place for Heroes.

Patrick & Julia


From fairbourne at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  9 06:02:22 2003
From: fairbourne at sbcglobal.net (Nolen Dale)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:02:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Another Loss
In-Reply-To: <41.325cbba9.2c658fff@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001001c35e76$79902eb0$8e5f8f42@nolandal>

Paishley you and yours are in my thoughts.
Richard Fairbourne


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To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Another Loss


We would like to share the news of the passing of Baroness Pashley's husband
this morning.  While he did not participate in our Society as his Ladywife,
he
supported her faithfully in her endeavors to make the SCA a place for
Heroes.

Patrick & Julia
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From MikaelaOfWestgate at ev1.net  Sat Aug  9 23:20:32 2003
From: MikaelaOfWestgate at ev1.net (Mikaela de Sevilla)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:20:32 +1000
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth
References: <20030807100542.C8947@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <002001c35f07$8128cb50$0200000a@caspar>

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

I had a look at your pictures and I enjoyed them so much.  You not only have
a beautiful boy but a very lovely family as well.  I got all teary eyed,
especially since I am looking forward to the rest of my family too.
Hopefully the pictures of my babys birth will be as clear as your and I can
post them too.

So very grateful to be able to see a part of your family,
and counting down my last few weeks.

Mikaela de Sevilla
Living in the land down under.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charley Atchley" <Charley at lcc.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:05 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra] A new birth


> Just thought I would let everyone know that Kailec and Theodenanda
Sweinbrothar (mka Shawn and Christi Adamick) became the proud parents of a
new baby boy named Connor Elliot Adamick at 7:30 this morning.
>
> http://www.msnusers.com/AdamickFamily
>
> Athaulf



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Sun Aug 10 15:46:18 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:46:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lughnasad
References: <009a01c359f6$e9ac35b0$0100a8c0@theparents>
Message-ID: <000701c35f91$3888ec60$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

For those of us who coudn't go what happen?  Who got awards, etc.??

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.


From gam at door.net  Sun Aug 10 13:35:09 2003
From: gam at door.net (Ann)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:35:09 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Pity Party
Message-ID: <003101c35f7e$e4be4a60$6701a8c0@anns>

Greetings,

I wanted to thank all that journeyed to Our lands and showed your support.  I hope you all had a wonderful time, and We hope to see you all once again to enjoy your company.  

Anastasiya

From catmafia at swbell.net  Mon Aug 11 06:47:28 2003
From: catmafia at swbell.net (Susan O'Neal)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:47:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Address change
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030811083156.0388cb58@postoffice.swbell.net>

I hope we will be up by Wednesday night, but the new address is to be 
catmafia at cablelynx.com.  My backup is catmafia03 at yahoo.com

Lady Susan the Curious
Northkeep






From muirin at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 11 14:14:07 2003
From: muirin at hotmail.com (Kimberly Keplar)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:14:07 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for Kief and Lorraine
Message-ID: <BAY9-F63Ay4MoSn03t30002e783@hotmail.com>


Would either Sir Kief or Lorraine contact me off list?  If you will email me 
a phone number I would gladly call either or both of you, the information i 
have is out of date.

Thank you,

Muirin

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From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Mon Aug 11 15:05:53 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:05:53 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: [NR] re: sales tax
Message-ID: <JJNMLPIPKNBJMGAA@mailcity.com>

That's a relief.  I could just hear all the interesting language involved.  ;-)

Nell
--

--------- Original Message ---------

DATE: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:48:44
From: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
To: "'nellwynn0 at lycos.com'" <nellwynn0 at lycos.com>, "'Northern Region of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.'" <northern at ansteorra.org>
Cc: 

>As a 501(c)(3) entity, the SCA is exempt from sales tax on sales of food to
>or by the organization as per 68 O.S. 2001, Section 1357.11.  
>
>Since I do a lot of feasts, I learned this one a number of years ago.  It is
>amended every year, usually by transfering it into the new section of law.
>
>Bear
>
>> My daughter-in-law had a horrid thought a couple of days ago. 
>>  Are we going to have to start charging tax on feast?  It 
>> says that tax is due on, and I quote,
>> 
>> 710:65-19-40. Caterers 
>> 
>> Nell
> 
>



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From robintheacquirer_2000 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 12 10:51:28 2003
From: robintheacquirer_2000 at hotmail.com (Chris Andrews)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:51:28 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] In search of 
Message-ID: <BAY1-F47KAC4jRWBGQ80000ade0@hotmail.com>

Could anyone who lives in the greater Midland / Odessa area please contact 
me,

In Service,
Lachlan of An Tir

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From padraig_ruad at irishbard.org  Wed Aug 13 11:11:16 2003
From: padraig_ruad at irishbard.org (Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:11:16 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: Lughnasad Lost and Found
Message-ID: <000101c361c9$03624b00$fd96fea9@computer>

My apologies if you receive this multiple times.  It was posted to
Ansteorra-Announce on Monday but so far has failed to come through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain" <padraig_ruad at irishbard.org>
To: <ansteorra-announce at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:05 PM
Subject: Lughnasad Lost and Found


> The following is a list of items found by the Lughnasad tear-down crew:
>
> 5 Chairs (collapsible, metal frames with cloth seats/backs)
> 1 10'x10' tarp
> 1 rattan mace
> 1 Zippo lighter
> 1 small folding multi-purpose tool
> 1 small brass bell
> 1 man's ring
> 1 child's ring
>
> If any of these items belong to you, please email me privately at
> padraig_ruad at irishbard.org, including a description of the item, and I
will
> make arrangements to have it returned it to you.
>
> In Service,
> Padr?ig Ruad ? Maolag?in
> Lughnasad Autocrat
> -------------------------------
> Nunc est bibendum
> ***********************
> ***********************
> Politicians prefer unarmed peasants.
>



From padraig_ruad at irishbard.org  Wed Aug 13 11:10:07 2003
From: padraig_ruad at irishbard.org (Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:10:07 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: Lughnasad Awards and Titled Bard
Message-ID: <000001c361c9$02ba7240$fd96fea9@computer>

My apologies if you receive this multiple times.  It was posted to
Ansteorra-Announce on Monday but so far has failed to come through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain" <padraig_ruad at irishbard.org>
To: <ansteorra-announce at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 8:14 PM
Subject: Lughnasad Awards and Titled Bard


> My thanks to everyone who attended Loch Ruadh's Lughnasad celebration this
> past weekend.  You helped to make our event a great success, and I hope
that
> you all enjoyed it at least as much as I did.  While the weather wasn't as
> cool as I would have liked, at least we had cloud cover and breezes
> throughout the day on Saturday, and the storms that pounded the Metroplex
> thankfully bypassed us.
>
> My individual thank you list will follow in a separate missive - it is
> extensive, and I want to try to list everyone.
>
> As Court Herald, it is my pleasure to announce that the following awards
> were given:
>
> Connal Mac an Ghabhann - Sable Thistle, Brewing
> Magdalea Mac an Ghabhann - Sable Thistle, Brewing
> Daniel the Younger - Rising Star of Ansteorra
> Brighid MacFergus - Award of Arms
> Rolf Sewardson - Sable Comet, Loch Ruadh
> Dohmnall Dubh O'Ruairc - Sable Comet, Loch Ruadh
> Tangwystl verch Maredudd - Portcullis of Elfsea
> Madelina de Lindesay - Portcullis of Elfsea
>
> And it is my honor to announce the new Titled Bard of Loch Ruadh:
> Grimvere Longtooth,
> holder of the Scarlet Cloak, the crooked staff and the silver harp pendant
> for the next year.
>
> It was a hotly contested competition, and every piece performed was
> praiseworthy.  Many thanks to all the competing bards, and also to Lord
and
> Lady Loch Ruadh, and my predecessor in the title, Elanor O'Rourke, for
> helping to judge and aiding in a most difficult decision.
>
> And if you thought this year's Lughnasad was good, just wait until next
> year.  You ain't seen nothin' yet!
>
> In Service,
> Padr?ig Ruad ? Maolag?in
> Lughnasad Autocrat AS XXXVIII



From padraig_ruad at irishbard.org  Wed Aug 13 12:35:27 2003
From: padraig_ruad at irishbard.org (Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:35:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Re:  Lughnasad
References: <20030813.142200.-1883917.1.lizdenpeters@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004401c361d2$0d2598a0$fd96fea9@computer>

The Misty Forest we have usedin the past, but the pump-and-fan system was
the brainchild of John Stegall (he hasn't chosen a persona name yet),
Grainne nic Seadna's lord husband.  We are contemplating what an appropriate
recognition might be - I like your idea of canonization.  :)

I am glad that you enjoyed our event, and thank you for your kind words.  I
hope eveyone who attended had at least as much fun as I did.

In Service,
Padr?ig Ruad ? Maolag?in
Lughnasad Autocrat AS XXXVIII
Lady Fionnuala wrote:

> M'lord,
>
> Whoever came up with the misting station needs to be canonized!  While it
> was not as hot as it has been in years past, that installation was a
> lifesaver as I do not do at all well in the heat.  Also, the fact that
> mist was directed over the list field was a good idea for those fighting
> in the heat even though we may hear grumbles about rusted armor.
>
> I try to attend this event every year.  It is low-key, fun and the food
> is good.  Watching the donnybrook was great fun and a good way for the
> kids to stay cool.
>
> Thanks to all  for a fun and lovely event.
>
> Lady Fionnuala the Fey (Nuala)



From charding at nwlink.com  Wed Aug 13 18:43:16 2003
From: charding at nwlink.com (Cathy Harding)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:43:16 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Some one seeking Master William Bjornson
Message-ID: <NEBBJBIBEKDBGCJJIOLJEEFLGEAA.charding@nwlink.com>

Greetings,
I have been told that someone from Ansteorra was seeking to contact Master
William Bjornson (of An Tir).  We have been fighting various computer viral
infections and the @home to attbi to comcast mess, so he has had changing
email address problems.  He can be reached at either dawson.bill at comcast.net
or at this address.

Maeve

www.billdawsonmetalsmith.com



From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Thu Aug 14 09:34:57 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:34:57 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] virus
Message-ID: <PMEOJEGPEILGNGAA@mailcity.com>

I learned when I was working as an online tech to check out all virus warnings that you get from individuals.  This is what McAfee has to say about the jdbgmgr.exe "virus"
.  
Virus Profile 
 
Virus Information 
Name: Jdbgmgr.exe hoax 
Risk Assessment   
  - Home Users: N/A 
  - Corporate Users: N/A 
Date Discovered: N/A 
Date Added: 4/8/2002 
Origin: Unknown 
Length: 0 
Type: Hoax 
SubType: - 
DAT Required: N/A 
 
  Quick Links 
Virus Characteristics 
Removal Instructions 
 
 
Buy or Update 
 New Users Get Protected Now:
Buy VirusScan Online 
 
 Update VirusScan Online 
 
 
 
Virus Characteristics  
 
AVERT HOAX Notice!!

McAfee AVERT Labs would like to inform you of a new email HOAX.

This email message is just a HOAX. Although, the JDBGMGR.EXE file may become infected by a number of valid viruses (most commonly W32/Magistr at MM), the details of this HOAX message are not based on actual events.

We are advising users who receive the email to delete the message and DO NOT pass it on as this is how an email HOAX propagates.

JDBGMGR.EXE is the Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java. This application is only useful for Java developers and does not need to be restored on other user's systems. In the event that this file has already been deleted and you need to restore it, see the Removal Instructions for instructions. 
It uses this icon: 

 

Below is the actual text from the message that may be received via email. There are numerous variations on these messages. 

(English version)

I found the little bear in my machine because of that I am sending this message in order for you to find it in your machine.  The procedure is very simple: 

The objective of this e-mail is to warn all Hotmail users about a new virus that is spreading by MSN Messenger.  The name of this virus is jdbgmgr.exe and it is sent automatically by the Messenger and by the address book too.  The virus is not detected by McAfee or Norton and it stays quiet for 14 days before damaging the system.  

The virus can be cleaned before it deletes the files from your system.  In order to eliminate it, it is just necessary to do the following steps: 
1. Go to Start, click "Search"
2.- In the "Files or Folders option" write the name jdbgmgr.exe 
3.- Be sure that you are searching in the drive "C" 
4.- Click "find now" 
5.- If the virus is there (it has a little bear-like icon with the name of jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT FOR ANY REASON
6.- Right click and delete it (it will go to the Recycle bin) 
7.- Go to the recycle bin and delete it or empty the recycle bin. 

IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS IN ALL OF YOUR SYSTEMS SEND THIS MESSAGE TO ALL OF YOUR CONTACTS LOCATED IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK BEFORE IT CAN CAUSE ANY DAMAGE.

  
And this is from Norton:

Jdbgmgr.exe file hoax  
Reported on: April 12, 2002  
Last Updated on: July 19, 2003 02:47:09 AM 

  
  

Symantec Security Response encourages you to ignore any messages regarding this hoax. It is harmless and is intended only to cause unwarranted concern.


Type: Hoax 




This hoax, like the SULFNBK.EXE Warning hoax, tries to encourage you to delete a legitimate Windows file from your computer. Jdbgmgr.exe is the file to which the hoax refers, and it is the Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java. The Jdbgmgr.exe file may be installed when you install Windows.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Notes: 
Some versions of this hoax take advantage of an actual threat, the W32.bugbear at mm worm. The Jdbgmgr.exe file mentioned in the hoax has a bear icon. The actual W32.bugbear at mm worm file is a .exe file and does not have a bear icon. 
Other versions of this hoax have slightly different ways in which they refer to the Jdbgmgr.exe file, usually in the subject of the email message. 
For example: 

Subject: "jdbg" Virus: how to detect and remove.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



NOTE: Recent 

The Windows Jdbgmgr.exe file has a teddy bear icon in the hoax, as illustrated below:





CAUTION: A virus can infect Jdbgmgr.exe. The W32.Efortune.31384 at mm virus in particular targets this file. Norton AntiVirus has provided protection against W32.Efortune.31384 at mm since May 11, 2001.

NOTE: If you have already deleted the Jdbgmgr.exe file, in most cases, you do not need to re-install it. The following quote is extracted from the Microsoft Knowledge Base article, "Virus Hoax: Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java (Jdbgmgr.exe) Is Not a Virus (Q322993)."

"The Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java (Jdbgmgr.exe) is only used by Microsoft Visual J++ 1.1 developers.

If you follow the e-mail message instructions and delete this file, you do not have to recover it unless you use Microsoft Visual J++ 1.1 to develop Java programs on Windows XP, Windows NT 4.0, Windows 98 Second Edition, Windows 98, or Windows 95."

If you need to restore this file, follow the instructions in "Virus Hoax: Microsoft Debugger Registrar for Java (Jdbgmgr.exe) Is Not a Virus (Q322993)."


Hoax messages
This hoax has appeared in several languages. Some examples of the exact content, which is copied from the hoax message, are:

English, version 1

I found the little bear in my machine because of that I am sending this message in order for you to find it in your machine. The procedure is very simple:

The objective of this e-mail is to warn all Hotmail users about a new virus that is spreading by MSN Messenger. The name of this virus is jdbgmgr.exe and it is sent automatically by the Messenger and by the address book too. The virus is not detected by McAfee or Norton and it stays quiet for 14 days before damaging the system.

The virus can be cleaned before it deletes the files from your system. In order to eliminate it, it is just necessary to do the following steps:
1. Go to Start, click "Search"
2.- In the "Files or Folders option" write the name jdbgmgr.exe
3.- Be sure that you are searching in the drive "C"
4.- Click "find now"
5.- If the virus is there (it has a little bear-like icon with the name of jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT FOR ANY REASON
6.- Right click and delete it (it will go to the Recycle bin)
7.- Go to the recycle bin and delete it or empty the recycle bin.

IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS IN ALL OF YOUR SYSTEMS SEND THIS MESSAGE TO ALL OF YOUR CONTACTS LOCATED IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK BEFORE IT CAN CAUSE ANY DAMAGE.


I hope both companies will forgive me for the copy and paste but it is important and it let me do it.

Nell

 
 




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From culn97 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 16 07:33:01 2003
From: culn97 at yahoo.com (Rod Jackson)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 07:33:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Hospitaller of Emerald Keep
Message-ID: <20030816143301.94244.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com>


Pardon the bandwidth, I am in search of the Hospitaller of the Shire of Emerald Keep.

 

The Link thru the Shire web site seems to be broken.

 

Please contact me off list about a demo at a Waco school.

 

Thank you.

 

Your servant,

 

Lord Colin McCrandall,

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From muirin at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 16 08:27:55 2003
From: muirin at hotmail.com (Kimberly Keplar)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:27:55 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle
Message-ID: <BAY9-F41CzrHRpCyxpN000413b9@hotmail.com>


Greetings all,

Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, mka Lawrence David 
Ruiz, will be held on Sat., 23 August 2003 at Seaside Memorial Park and 
Funeral Home in Corpus Christi, Tx.  All are welcome to attend.  In lieu of 
flowers or gifts, donations in Lawrence's name are being given to Ronald 
McDonald House and Charlie's Place (a charitable drug rehabilitation center 
in Corpus Christi).  For more informaition, please call Seaside Memorial 
Park.

Seaside Memorial Park and Funeral Home
4357 Ocean Dr.
Corpus Christi Tx 78412
(361) 992-9411

Take your best route to Ocean Dr.  Turn on Robert.  At blinking light, right 
into cemetary.  The services are at the large chaple just inside the 
cemetary,

I thank you all for the warm thoughts and prayers during this time.

In continued Service,

Muirin
mka Kim Keplar-Ruiz

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From b-richard at houston.rr.com  Sat Aug 16 21:19:47 2003
From: b-richard at houston.rr.com (Beth Richard)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:19:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for Finnacan from Namron
Message-ID: <20030816231947.B23044@stardock.pug.net>

Would Finnacan from Namron please send me your new e-mail address?  I
sent mail to the one you had in May, but it bounced.

Thanks!
Tangwistel Telynores (Telynor)
  The Canton of Gate's Edge, Ansteorra (Houston, TX)
  b-richard at houston.rr.com


From becalhoun at excite.com  Sun Aug 17 18:36:47 2003
From: becalhoun at excite.com (becalhoun at excite.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:36:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] International Fest
Message-ID: <20030818013647.1D54F3DFA@xmxpita.excite.com>



Come and join the Barony of the Eldern Hills at its largest demo of the year.  We try to present as many aspects of the SCA as possible.  International Festival is held on the 27th and 28th of Sept.  We are located at the corner of 4th and B streets in Lawton, OK (right next to the library).

For the fighting demos;
Heralds will announce each fighter onto the field each day.  Ladies will present favors to their selected champions. ONLY AUTHORIZED FIGHTERS will be allowed onto the field.  Demo rules; not tourny (fall down when you are killed, etc..  Fighters bring a drawing of your arms on a heater shield, (1/4" thick) no larger than 10" by 12" to be posted on a list tree.

For the Arts and Sciences demos;
Both static and works in progress will be accepted.  You are encouraged to bring something to actually work on to impress the crowd.  Impress them with your skills and show the crowd how easy it is to actualy do the task.

Demonstrations of dance and fighting skills not normally a part of SCA events will be used as intermissions for the fighters.

If you need additional information please cal  or email 
Baron Michel mac Donnchaid 580-252-2520 mg1m at swbell.net
Ld Shawn Colquhoun 580-536-2425 BECalhoun at excite.com

Lord Shawn 
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From diegovalor22 at grandecom.net  Sun Aug 17 14:27:21 2003
From: diegovalor22 at grandecom.net (George Berry)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:27:21 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the
	Rampant of Ram's Isle
References: <BAY9-F41CzrHRpCyxpN000413b9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c36506$58849940$9a3c9b18@i7h0m3>

Dear Friends,

The time for the service is 10:00AM.  (I checked with the Seaside Funeral
Home.)

In Service,
George
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kimberly Keplar" <muirin at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Cc: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's
Isle


>
> Greetings all,
>
> Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, mka Lawrence
David
> Ruiz, will be held on Sat., 23 August 2003 at Seaside Memorial Park and
> Funeral Home in Corpus Christi, Tx.  All are welcome to attend.  In lieu
of
> flowers or gifts, donations in Lawrence's name are being given to Ronald
> McDonald House and Charlie's Place (a charitable drug rehabilitation
center
> in Corpus Christi).  For more informaition, please call Seaside Memorial
> Park.
>
> Seaside Memorial Park and Funeral Home
> 4357 Ocean Dr.
> Corpus Christi Tx 78412
> (361) 992-9411
>
> Take your best route to Ocean Dr.  Turn on Robert.  At blinking light,
right
> into cemetary.  The services are at the large chaple just inside the
> cemetary,
>
> I thank you all for the warm thoughts and prayers during this time.
>
> In continued Service,
>
> Muirin
> mka Kim Keplar-Ruiz
>
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From muirin at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 18 05:29:46 2003
From: muirin at hotmail.com (Kimberly Keplar)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:29:46 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the
	Rampant of Ram's Isle
Message-ID: <BAY9-F24QMRU9sMEUAM00010f63@hotmail.com>


Thank you Diego...lately my blonde roots have been showing more often than 
usual.  If anyone requires more information, please contact me off list.

Muirin

>From: "George Berry" <diegovalor22 at grandecom.net>
>Reply-To: SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com
>To: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>, <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>CC: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of 
>Ram's Isle
>Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:27:21 -0500
>
>Dear Friends,
>
>The time for the service is 10:00AM.  (I checked with the Seaside Funeral
>Home.)
>
>In Service,
>George
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kimberly Keplar" <muirin at hotmail.com>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Cc: <SCA-Seawinds at yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 10:27 AM
>Subject: [SCA-Seawinds] Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's
>Isle
>
>
> >
> > Greetings all,
> >
> > Memorial Services for Lawrence the Rampant of Ram's Isle, mka Lawrence
>David
> > Ruiz, will be held on Sat., 23 August 2003 at Seaside Memorial Park and
> > Funeral Home in Corpus Christi, Tx.  All are welcome to attend.  In lieu
>of
> > flowers or gifts, donations in Lawrence's name are being given to Ronald
> > McDonald House and Charlie's Place (a charitable drug rehabilitation
>center
> > in Corpus Christi).  For more informaition, please call Seaside Memorial
> > Park.
> >
> > Seaside Memorial Park and Funeral Home
> > 4357 Ocean Dr.
> > Corpus Christi Tx 78412
> > (361) 992-9411
> >
> > Take your best route to Ocean Dr.  Turn on Robert.  At blinking light,
>right
> > into cemetary.  The services are at the large chaple just inside the
> > cemetary,
> >
> > I thank you all for the warm thoughts and prayers during this time.
> >
> > In continued Service,
> >
> > Muirin
> > mka Kim Keplar-Ruiz
> >
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From medievalbelle at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 18 13:56:10 2003
From: medievalbelle at yahoo.com (Stacy E. Dickey)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:56:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Baron Gavin
Message-ID: <20030818205610.12844.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry for the bandwidth, folks, but would Gavin please contact me
privately? A mutual friend out of kingdom is in search of you.


~Madame Colete d'Evreux

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From edrei at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 18 07:30:55 2003
From: edrei at earthlink.net (David  Backlin)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:30:55 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [TY] ARMOR SHOP LOOTED/ MEMPHIS,TN AREA
Message-ID: <019c01c36595$597554e0$d02afea9@gateway>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Kane1Lissa at aol.com>
To: <meridian-ty at yahoogroups.com>


> This is a member of Shadow Legion. Keep a lookout for this stuff and
> crosspost freely!
>
> Duchess Ilissa
> Meridies
> ******************************************************
> Subj:    [Shadow_Legion] Talan's shop was robbed.  ARMOUR MISSING!  Please
> read!
> Date:   08/18/2003 8:51:02 AM Central Daylight Time
> From:   GypsyJade at UReach.com (Kali)
> To: shadow_legion at yahoogroups.com
>
> Hi Guys,
> Talan's shop was broken into between Saturday night & today.  He
> lost all of his tools - a Stanley four drawer tool box full of
> all of the tools that he needs in order to do his job.  Hundreds
> of dollars worth of sockets, hand tools, and everything under
> the sun is GONE.
>
> To make this even worse, the idiots grabbed the armour bag
> also.
>
>  Talan has very very distinctive armour.
> His face helm gets quite a few comments wherever he goes.  It
> has a tongue sticking out that is pierced.  The arms & legs are
> splinted and very nicely done.  The kidney belt is a large
> leather piece that is banded with plates & has half moon shapes
> & a small shield on the back.  The belt is studded with little
> rivets all along the outside edge.  Everything (& I mean
> everything) was taken.  This is a custom set of armour that
> would cost someone thousands of dollars to replace.
>
> While I do not suspect that someone within society took the
> armour, I can't help thinking that it may show up either at an
> event or on eBay.
>
> Also, I have pictures of his armour if anyone would like to see
> them.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
> Please forward this on to every SCA list on which you are a
> member.  I really want to get the word out there.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kali, who is shaking so hard that she does not know what to do
>



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From stargate_seneschal at mail.ev1.net  Mon Aug 18 09:00:37 2003
From: stargate_seneschal at mail.ev1.net (stargate_seneschal)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:00:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] FWD: Texas Gulf Coast area SCA Rapier Board
Message-ID: <200308181100.AA69337408@mail.ev1.net>

For those who may have an interest. (This was received in my old 
Seneschal mail account.) 

Lady Isabeau Quiquandon
(FORMER Stargate Seneschal)

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "John Trojanowski" <john at trojanowski.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:09:56 -0500

Greetings All:
>
>My name is John Trojanowski and I am a sport (modern) fencer in 
the Houston-Galveston area. I also run a website for the benefit 
of said fencers within the Gulf Coast Division of the USFA.
>
>However, in the process of creating a forum site with a variety 
of boards for discussion (lack of communication is a big problem 
sometimes) I determined to expand the scope.
>
>So on this site 
>http://campechesteel.proboards15.com/index.cgi
>
>I have set up a board for historical fencing discussion and for 
SCA fencing discussion. My primary emphasis is the Gulf Coast 
region, but this is by no means a rule, just a re-occurring focus. 
I have corresponded with the few folks I communicate with in the 
SCA (Chris "Don Tivar Moondragon" Zakes, Elizabeth Zakes, 
Robert "Lyelf" Lyle), but they are all in Austin or the Dallas-Ft. 
Worth area.
>
>What I'd like to do is offer use of this board for the 
rapier/light fencers of the Gulf Coast Region of the SCA. If you 
folks decide you like it, I'd be happy to let one amongst you 
serve as moderator.
>
>It's new. No postings yet. Feel free to explore and use and get 
back to me. Let your fencers know.
>
>John Trojanowski
>
>
 

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From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 15:49:28 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:49:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Ansteorra-announce] Jams and jellies for
	Protectorate
Message-ID: <20030818174928.A15398@stardock.pug.net>

On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 09:04 PM, Maleah wrote:
>     Part of the festivities at this year's Protectorate is a Jams and
> Jellies competition sponsored by HE Ulf and myself. This is to help 
> showcase
> the aspiring cooks in our great kingdom.

> So, dig through your recipes, take advantage of the end of season 
> sales and
> bring your viands to Protectorate.
For those looking for recipes to try for this interesting competition, 
there are a few files in the Florilegium that might prove to be of use.
In the FOOD-SWEETS section:
marmalades-msg    (60K)  5/17/02    Period marmalades and fruit jellies 
and jams
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-SWEETS/marmalades-msg.html

There are also several files in the FOOD-FRUITS section that have 
information on various period fruits which might be useable in jellies 
and jams. Here are two of them:
fruits-msg       (104K)  5/21/02    Medieval fruits and fruit dishes. 
Recipes.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-FRUITS/fruits-msg.html
fruit-quinces-msg (64K) 12/14/02    Period uses and recipes for quinces.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-FRUITS/fruit-quinces-msg.html

Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 18:43:30 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:43:30 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Greetings and Hi There,

I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't heard
any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?

Thanks for the info.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.



From pug at pug.net  Mon Aug 18 19:21:02 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:21:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>;
	from gilli@hot.rr.com on Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 08:43:30PM -0500
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>

Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
> calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't heard
> any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?

  Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a fact
  today.

  Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more per
  year if they hold any of the following:

- Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
- A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.


From Reihla at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 19:55:51 2003
From: Reihla at aol.com (Reihla at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:55:51 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <17d.1f41e959.2c72ebb7@aol.com>

I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our recent 
 meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per year 
*including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event per year. 
 

I'm almost sure there was a discussion about which of Wiesenfeuer's three 
events per year we weren't going to do in order to bring us in line with the new 
policy.

Or maybe I was hallucinating.  

- Kat  >^.,.^<


From ThoraOdottir at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 20:04:19 2003
From: ThoraOdottir at aol.com (ThoraOdottir at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:04:19 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <f7.2f39227b.2c72edb3@aol.com>

There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies will 
be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event per 
year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can be no 
new court business conducted at the unofficial events.  

This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some hard 
decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to save 
the ones we enjoy through co-operation.

Thora Olafsdottir
DFT


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:06:27 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:06:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

I am well aware of the 2 events for Shires and Cantons and 3 for Baronies,
plus any Kingdom of Regional events that they might do.  We have been on
that system for a good many years now.

However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number of
calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not seen
anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a year
while a Barony could do two.

Is this true?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> > I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
> > calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't
heard
> > any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
>
>   Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a fact
>   today.
>
>   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more per
>   year if they hold any of the following:
>
> - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
> System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
>  Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White
Blvd
>  Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
> Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that
matter.
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:09:25 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:09:25 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <f7.2f39227b.2c72edb3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c365ff$4cc74720$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

So since it is "proposed" there is still room for some discussion on it?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <ThoraOdottir at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies
will
> be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event
per
> year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can be
no
> new court business conducted at the unofficial events.
>
> This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some
hard
> decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to
save
> the ones we enjoy through co-operation.
>
> Thora Olafsdottir
> DFT
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:16:51 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:16:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <f7.2f39227b.2c72edb3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c36600$566b1f80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Also, when and where was it proposed?  I've seen no such discussion on such
a monumental change in how we do business discussed or even mentioned on the
RT list.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <ThoraOdottir at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies
will
> be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event
per
> year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can be
no
> new court business conducted at the unofficial events.
>
> This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some
hard
> decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to
save
> the ones we enjoy through co-operation.
>
> Thora Olafsdottir
> DFT
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From meadhbh at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:30:47 2003
From: meadhbh at austin.rr.com (meadhbh)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:30:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>

It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
more information.

Mistress Meadhbh
Secretary to the Kingdom Seneschal

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Bob Dewart
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:06 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?

I am well aware of the 2 events for Shires and Cantons and 3 for
Baronies,
plus any Kingdom of Regional events that they might do.  We have been on
that system for a good many years now.

However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number
of
calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not
seen
anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a
year
while a Barony could do two.

Is this true?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> > I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the
number of
> > calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I
haven't
heard
> > any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
>
>   Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a
fact
>   today.
>
>   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more
per
>   year if they hold any of the following:
>
> - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
> System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop
625
>  Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben
White
Blvd
>  Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX
78741
> Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that
matter.
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> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 20:39:38 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:39:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>
Message-ID: <002a01c36603$8766c460$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Thanks for the info.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "meadhbh" <meadhbh at austin.rr.com>
To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
> can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
> suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
> more information.
> 
> Mistress Meadhbh
> Secretary to the Kingdom Seneschal
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Bob Dewart
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:06 PM
> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> 
> I am well aware of the 2 events for Shires and Cantons and 3 for
> Baronies,
> plus any Kingdom of Regional events that they might do.  We have been on
> that system for a good many years now.
> 
> However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number
> of
> calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not
> seen
> anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a
> year
> while a Barony could do two.
> 
> Is this true?
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> 
> 
> > Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> > > I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the
> number of
> > > calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I
> haven't
> heard
> > > any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
> >
> >   Well it's something that's been batted around for years, and is a
> fact
> >   today.
> >
> >   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more
> per
> >   year if they hold any of the following:
> >
> > - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> > - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event
> >
> > Ciao,
> >
> > --
> > Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
> > System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop
> 625
> >  Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben
> White
> Blvd
> >  Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX
> 78741
> > Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that
> matter.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ansteorra mailing list
> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From PKieferjr at aol.com  Mon Aug 18 20:42:00 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:42:00 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <99.3bf2a00e.2c72f688@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/18/2003 10:32:19 PM Central Daylight Time, 
meadhbh at austin.rr.com writes:

> It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
> can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
> suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
> more information.
> 
> Mistress Meadhbh
> 

Is the calendar getting that crowded?  Is it the result of growth?  I know 
that we've been adding groups at a rather quick pace.

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From jds at randomgang.com  Mon Aug 18 20:59:53 2003
From: jds at randomgang.com (Jennifer Smith)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:59:53 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>
References: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<001e01c36602$481131c0$ef2c4442@DJXDN031>
Message-ID: <20030819035953.GB15614@randomgang.com>

On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:30:47PM -0500, meadhbh wrote:
> It is their majesties intention to reduce the number of events a group
> can hold per year.  The actual law change is forth coming.  I would
> suggest contacting the kingdom seneschal at seneschal at ansteorra.org for
> more information.

Isn't this what the redtape mailing list is for?  (I've noticed it's
hardly used at all, which seems silly...)


-- 
Jennifer Smith
jds at randomgang.com


From mtucker at airmail.net  Mon Aug 18 21:43:09 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:43:09 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <001d01c36600$566b1f80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 10:16  PM, Bob Dewart wrote:

> Also, when and where was it proposed?  I've seen no such discussion on 
> such
> a monumental change in how we do business discussed or even mentioned 
> on the
> RT list.
>
> Gilli
>

Hi, Gilli:

This was announced by Their Majesties Ulsted and Cateau at King's Round 
Table (the "Red Tape" event) back on July 19, to the Barons and 
Baronesses in fief and any other officers who were present. I learned 
about it from Godwin and Lissa (Baron and Baroness of Stargate) when 
they got home from the event. It was not put to them as a suggestion by 
the Their Majesties, but rather it was announced to them as a change 
that was going to be made, along with an explanation of why.

To answer Johann Kiefer Hayden's question: yes, the calendar is "that 
crowded". It's been "that crowded" for years, which is why the kingdom 
installed the present limit on events. But Their Majesties evidently 
feel that those limits haven't been successful, hence the lower limits.

As Meadhbh said, this change will be made to Kingdom Law, although it 
hasn't been made yet (so I suppose there's still time to discuss the 
change with the Kingdom Seneschal and Their Majesties).

If you have any questions about this, you should contact the Kingdom 
Seneschal (seneschal at ansteorra.org) or Their Majesties 
(crown at ansteorra.org), or your local Baron and Baroness (who should 
have heard about this first-hand at Round Table). Or raise the subject 
on Red Tape, as a couple of you have suggested.

Personally, I feel that this change is a Good Thing(tm), and should 
encourage us to have fewer, but better, events. It should encourage 
more groups to bid for kingdom events (such as King's College), which 
often go begging for bids at present (or just don't get held). (There's 
a list of these events in Kingdom Law.) It should also encourage events 
that are hosted by multiple groups, pooling their efforts to pull off 
truly spectacular events.

Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they 
want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom 
Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards 
can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the 
Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band candy", or 
any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their 
group's expenses. :-)

Yours in service,
Michael Silverhands



From jtc at swordworks.org  Mon Aug 18 23:02:51 2003
From: jtc at swordworks.org (James Crouchet)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:02:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <200308190102.51369.jtc@swordworks.org>

On Monday 18 August 2003 09:21 pm, Pug Bainter wrote:

>   Groups are limited to 2 calendar events per year. They can have more
> per year if they hold any of the following:
>
> - Kingdom level event such as Crown Tourny, Coronation, etc
> - A Barony is allowed to hold an additional perpetual event

I also understand that events above kingdom level -- Bod Meetings, 40th 
Anniversary of the SCA, Gulf War, KW Dance, KW Heraldic, etc. are exempt 
from the count. However, if you really want the skinny on this ask the 
Seneschal or her calendar deputy. Maybe someone can post the proposed 
text.

Dor?




From gilli at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 18 23:03:03 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:03:03 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c36617$8ea70fa0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Some groups don't have landed folks.

No, it's a bad thing.
1.    Reduces opportunities to get awards given to populace.
2.    Will increase court times. Instead of being able to have the awards
given at several events during the year it will now be at only one for
Shires and Cantons.
3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several a
year now.  And most groups don't do them.
4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third for
Baronies.
5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.

I hate to say it, but the reason the Kingdom calendar is too full is because
the Kingdom is too big.  Now there is politically incorrect thought.

I will email the Crown tomorrow.  It's too late tonight to do so
effectively.  But item one above really bothers me.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Tucker" <mtucker at airmail.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


>
> On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 10:16  PM, Bob Dewart wrote:
>
> > Also, when and where was it proposed?  I've seen no such discussion on
> > such
> > a monumental change in how we do business discussed or even mentioned
> > on the
> > RT list.
> >
> > Gilli
> >
>
> Hi, Gilli:
>
> This was announced by Their Majesties Ulsted and Cateau at King's Round
> Table (the "Red Tape" event) back on July 19, to the Barons and
> Baronesses in fief and any other officers who were present. I learned
> about it from Godwin and Lissa (Baron and Baroness of Stargate) when
> they got home from the event. It was not put to them as a suggestion by
> the Their Majesties, but rather it was announced to them as a change
> that was going to be made, along with an explanation of why.
>
> To answer Johann Kiefer Hayden's question: yes, the calendar is "that
> crowded". It's been "that crowded" for years, which is why the kingdom
> installed the present limit on events. But Their Majesties evidently
> feel that those limits haven't been successful, hence the lower limits.
>
> As Meadhbh said, this change will be made to Kingdom Law, although it
> hasn't been made yet (so I suppose there's still time to discuss the
> change with the Kingdom Seneschal and Their Majesties).
>
> If you have any questions about this, you should contact the Kingdom
> Seneschal (seneschal at ansteorra.org) or Their Majesties
> (crown at ansteorra.org), or your local Baron and Baroness (who should
> have heard about this first-hand at Round Table). Or raise the subject
> on Red Tape, as a couple of you have suggested.
>
> Personally, I feel that this change is a Good Thing(tm), and should
> encourage us to have fewer, but better, events. It should encourage
> more groups to bid for kingdom events (such as King's College), which
> often go begging for bids at present (or just don't get held). (There's
> a list of these events in Kingdom Law.) It should also encourage events
> that are hosted by multiple groups, pooling their efforts to pull off
> truly spectacular events.
>
> Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they
> want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom
> Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards
> can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the
> Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band candy", or
> any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their
> group's expenses. :-)
>
> Yours in service,
> Michael Silverhands
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From Fitzmorgan at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 05:41:06 2003
From: Fitzmorgan at aol.com (Fitzmorgan at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:41:06 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <1ab.1907c33f.2c7374e2@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/18/2003 11:40:19 PM Central Standard Time, 
mtucker at airmail.net writes:


> Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they 
> want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom 
> Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards 
> can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the 
> Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band candy", or 
> any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their 
> group's expenses. :-)
> 
> Yours in service,
> Michael Silverhands
> 

       Which could lead to more events where there is no Court, and we can 
start the parties and the Bardic before Midnight.  

Robert


From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 06:05:25 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:05:25 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>;
	from gilli@hot.rr.com on Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:06:27PM -0500
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
	<20030818212102.B17399@stardock.pug.net>
	<000b01c365fe$e365bd20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030819080525.A22649@stardock.pug.net>

Bob Dewart (gilli at hot.rr.com) said something that sounded like:
> However, what I was referring to was a proposed reduction in the number of
> calendar events that a group may hold.  I have heard, but as of yet not seen
> anything in writing, that a Shire or Canton could only hold one event a year
> while a Barony could do two.

Unfortunately I was at pennsic for our last business meeting where this
change would have been discussed so I wasn't aware of the change since I
didn't attend Red tape.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "If you don't worry 'bout the future
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   sooner or later it's the past
Dark Horde Moritu      |   And if they say the thrill is gone
pug at pug.net            |   then it's time to take it back" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From arabella at elfsea.net  Tue Aug 19 06:22:19 2003
From: arabella at elfsea.net (Lisa Duke)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:22:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c36617$8ea70fa0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c36654$eae70300$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>

Gilli said:

<snipped>
3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several a
year now.  And most groups don't do them.
4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third for
Baronies.
5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.


HL Arabella, past Kingdom Calendar Deputy here......

Nobody said they can't have the events.  Just that each group will have 1
less on the official Kingdom Calendar.  They can still have that event.
Just no awards can be given out that affect the Order of Precedence, no
armigerous awards.

It won't even affect a groups ability to advertise in the Black Star.  A
group can still pay the standard rate for their event announcement.  They
can still use the allowed free advertisement per year on the non-calendar
event if they wish.  Unless our wonderful chronicler makes a policy change.

An example... This is purely hypothetical.... If the Barony of the Steppes
chooses to make it's Steppes Artisan event off Calendar do you think that
will affect anything?  People will still attend, the B&B  can still give out
Baronial non-armigerous awards, there will still be the artisan competition,
and any other competition the barony wishes to hold.




From gn-white at tamu.edu  Tue Aug 19 06:25:56 2003
From: gn-white at tamu.edu (Norman White)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:25:56 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <sf41df18.014@ag.tamu.edu>

Greetings from Master Jin Liu Ch'ang,

I normally do not post to the list, preferring to be a lurker, but I felt the need to speak on this topic.
Gilli said that event limits are a bad thing because:
>Some groups don't have landed folks. 
I come from the Shire of the Shadowlands, one of the small groups that have trouble getting event dates.
We have no landed or even unlanded barons in our group.
Our group is within 150 miles of Stargate and its cantons, Ravensfort, Bryn Gwlad, and most other groups in the Southern and Coastal Regions.
As a group, you do not want to have an event the week before or after another close by group much less the same date so that cuts out most weekends. 
When you combine that with the fact that the community in which we are based, Bryan/College Station, has an enormous university (TAMU) that holds its own events that basically wreck traffic for many weekends, especially in the fall, we have experienced many problems getting dates for events.
Part of our problem with scheduling events is that we dare not try to schedule an event against an A&M football game, graduation, or other large college event.
But another problem is that our surrounding groups have felt the need to hold 3 to 4 events per year.
When there are approximately 10 groups nearby, combined with coronations and such, this does not leave many free weekends for us to have events.
Therefore, I am glad to hear that something is being done.

As for Gilli's reasons that the limit is a bad thing:
>1.    Reduces opportunities to get awards given to populace.

Most of the people in my group have either gotten their awards at other group's events or they got them from a visiting baron and baroness.
This occurred so often in our history that it resulted in Baron Don Tivar and Baroness Aethylean (I apologize if I misspelled their names) becoming the first persons to receive a Comet for service to a group in which they were not a resident.
Myself, I received my Iris and Laurel at Ravensfort events because our group was unable to get event dates during that period.
Therefore, his second objection:

>2.    Will increase court times. Instead of being able to have the awards
>given at several events during the year it will now be at only one for
>Shires and Cantons.

Courts have been too long for years.
The most objectionable reason for court length in my mind is the feeling by some people that they need to do presentations in court.
I feel that if you feel the need to do a presentation in court, you are doing it for the wrong reasons.
As for the ability to receive awards several times in the year, be happy to have an event to get them once. 
I also do not believe that holding only one event a year will hurt most people as far as getting awards as very few deserve more than one a year.
As for his third objection:

>3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several a
>year now.  And most groups don't do them.

Our last few events have had less than maybe a dozen people attend from outside the group because other groups were having bigger events.  In one case, we thought we had a chance to hold a well attended event but the Kingdom calendar changed and it resulted in Elfsea having an event opposite ours.

I have nothing to say about his fourth and fifth objections, except been there, gone through it for years.
>4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third for
>Baronies.
>5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.

As for his last statement:
>I hate to say it, but the reason the Kingdom calendar is too full is because
>the Kingdom is too big.  Now there is politically incorrect thought.

This may be true, but if you look at the calendars for other Kingdoms, you will find that very few of them have groups holding 3 and 4 events a year.

Gilli's last statement:
>I will email the Crown tomorrow.  It's too late tonight to do so
>effectively.  But item one above really bothers me.

Discussion on decisions such as this are always welcome but I remember Ulsted and Cateau when they were members of the Shire of the Shadowlands so I know they remember what it is like to be unable to get dates.

It must be nice to live where there are fewer surrounding groups and you can get event dates.

Jin Liu Ch'ang
m.k.a. Norman White
gn-white at tamu.edu



From nweders at mail.utexas.edu  Tue Aug 19 06:55:18 2003
From: nweders at mail.utexas.edu (Nancy Wederstrandt)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:55:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS
In-Reply-To: <200308191327.h7JDRDa29994@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030819083938.00b21850@mail.utexas.edu>

Greetings,

I have to agree with several of the written statements but I'd like to 
point out something.

Good events are well-attended whether or not they on on the calendar.  They 
need to be not cookie-cutter, non-boring events.  I won't go to something 
that all I do is sit and not have any exchange or things or interest.  I 
expect I will attend Steppes Artisan because I really enjoy the 
event.  It's an artisan event where it's low key, fun and I get to see 
people who rarely can travel or only make it to this event.

I agree with Michael - the quality has to improve.  I really enjoyed events 
like Maekloth, King Alfonzo's Tourney, Steppes Artisan, the Alexandrian 
Symposia.   Some of the best King's Colleges have been in small 
groups.  Look at Festival of Japan - It's a great even because it's unique.....

Keep in mind Regional events might be a good thing.  The smaller groups in 
a region could get together and hold one for the Region.

It is true that the Kingdom is getting larger.... It will eventually grow 
smaller as well.

Regards,

Clare



From YsfaelEleanor at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 07:16:06 2003
From: YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:16:06 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS
Message-ID: <ea.3cc7111a.2c738b26@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 9:01:12 AM Central Daylight Time, 
nweders at mail.utexas.edu writes:


> 
> Keep in mind Regional events might be a good thing.  The smaller groups in 
> a region could get together and hold one for the Region.
> 
> 

             As well as the fact that it might provide more cohesion within 
the regions, it is also true that an award for a person can be given at an 
event in an adjoining group or one that is across the Kingdom for that matter.  So 
opportunities to take care of court business are not so lost as at first it 
might appear. 

             Peace and Grace
             Ysfael 


From eirik at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 07:58:20 2003
From: eirik at hot.rr.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:58:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <000001c36662$59276cd0$1402a8c0@eirik>

> If you have any questions about this, you should contact the Kingdom 
> Seneschal (seneschal at ansteorra.org) or Their Majesties 
> (crown at ansteorra.org), or your local Baron and Baroness (who should 
> have heard about this first-hand at Round Table). Or raise 
> the subject 
> on Red Tape, as a couple of you have suggested.

First of all, why has no of this been told to those shires that don't
have landed nobles to inform them. As a shire member, I can tell you
that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups. The
baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind of
news to the shires, at least in my region. 
 
> Personally, I feel that this change is a Good Thing(tm), and should 
> encourage us to have fewer, but better, events. It should encourage 
> more groups to bid for kingdom events (such as King's College), which 
> often go begging for bids at present (or just don't get 
> held). (There's 
> a list of these events in Kingdom Law.) It should also 
> encourage events 
> that are hosted by multiple groups, pooling their efforts to pull off 
> truly spectacular events.

What about those groups that have one event a year and it is up against
a Steppes Warlord or it rains for several days and their site is not
usable. These groups would lose money on those events that wouldn't be
recoverable. Non-calender events are good for local stuff that local
folks want to attend, but don't have the draw of calender events. If you
have an event that the Crown attends, you will see a bigger attendance
rather than a non-calender event that no Kingdom business can occur at.
 
> Finally, it doesn't prevent groups from hosting extra events if they 
> want to; those events just can't be on the (very crowded) Kingdom 
> Calendar. The only difference this makes is whether armigerous awards 
> can be given out at the event. Holding events, even if not on the 
> Kingdom Calendar, is still a lot more fun than selling "band 
> candy", or 
> any of the ways that other hobbyists raise money to pay for their 
> group's expenses. :-)

This won't keep weekends down to one event. There are 42 groups listed
in the Black Star. There are 52 weekends in the year. Six weekends are
taken up by Crown Tourneys, Coronations, and Round Table events. Four
weekends happen during Pennsic and Gulf wars. That leaves 42 weekends.
There are 65 calender events that can be held. There will still be
weekends that have two or more events during the year. Looking at the
unoffical calendar online for the next year there are less than 6
weekends that have more than two events. All this does in my opinion is
cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events given
to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow those
groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
functioning.

Eirik




From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 08:39:02 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000001c36662$59276cd0$1402a8c0@eirik>
References: <A1D11F5A-D1FF-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <3F41FE46.10954.328F86@localhost>

On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
<snip>
 All this does in my opinion
> is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
> second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow
> those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> functioning.
> 
> Eirik


Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at the next crown 
tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship tournament. I 
would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many interesting places to 
go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put together or staff since 
the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by someone on the 
kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That is a great chance to 
shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that might or might not 
have been well staffed. 

Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should be post 
Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember that 
Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to do was book a 
site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and running the list usually 
had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and Crown areas 
were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the events were 
already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it was at the request 
of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that was easy to 
coordinate. 

Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few if any bids 
to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event ahead of time. I 
suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other large group because 
it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute event. 

If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two and have 
volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything concrete you are half 
way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown. You can often 
reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full refund if you 
cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament and then 
cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still several months 
ahead. 

I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. So is time, so grab 
what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's event and make 
a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make the feast or serve 
the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a reviewing stand). 

Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful. 

Claire Shayhan


From cellach at breezykilt.com  Tue Aug 19 09:02:47 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:02:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <000701c365f3$4cb38e80$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <028701c3666b$57206320$1108a8c0@bobby>

Honestly, it doesn't look as though the calendar will clear up that much to
me.  People will still have to take a hard look at the multiple events that
are happening on a particular weekend and choose which one they wish to
attend.

Also, the loss of income is an issue.  For the larger Baronies, it's not
such a concern.  They have events that host several hundred people and can
fill their group's coffers at a single event.  Often, for the smaller
groups, there is no hugely attended event to cover the entire year's
expenditures.  Although not terribly likely, what if a small group's event
is washed out the day before?  What if something unforseen happens and the
event must be cancelled?  That group will now have NO substantial income for
the entire year.  It my be rare that it happens, but, it could, conceivably,
result in the folding of a local group.

I'm a member of Namron; a large, healthy and strong Barony!  Not everyone
has this amazing opportunity.  Why penalize the smaller groups?  They desire
and, frankly, need the means to grow and expand.  Limiting the opportunities
for smaller groups in order to make it easier to choose which of the large,
long standing events we will attend is beneficial to a scant few.

We have a large, vibrant and healthy Kingdom.  Let's celebrate that rather
than limit it.

Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Greetings and Hi There,
>
> I've been hearing about an interesting concept of limiting the number of
> calendar events a group may hold in a year.   But as of yet, I haven't
heard
> any details.  Is this intended to be fact or urban legend?
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
>
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From hellbilly_tx at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 09:19:23 2003
From: hellbilly_tx at yahoo.com (Zach)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:19:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [TY] ARMOR SHOP LOOTED/ MEMPHIS,TN AREA
In-Reply-To: <019c01c36595$597554e0$d02afea9@gateway>
Message-ID: <20030819161923.18445.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com>


I am crawling the pages of ebay all the time looking at armor just to get ideas.  I probably look at ebay every other day.  Please send me the pictures of the armor and I will keep a look out for them.  If I see what looks like a match I will email you.

 
Nickolai Vatavia

David Backlin <edrei at earthlink.net> wrote:
----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: 


> This is a member of Shadow Legion. Keep a lookout for this stuff and
> crosspost freely!
>
> Duchess Ilissa
> Meridies
> ******************************************************
> Subj: [Shadow_Legion] Talan's shop was robbed. ARMOUR MISSING! Please
> read!
> Date: 08/18/2003 8:51:02 AM Central Daylight Time
> From: GypsyJade at UReach.com (Kali)
> To: shadow_legion at yahoogroups.com
>
> Hi Guys,
> Talan's shop was broken into between Saturday night & today. He
> lost all of his tools - a Stanley four drawer tool box full of
> all of the tools that he needs in order to do his job. Hundreds
> of dollars worth of sockets, hand tools, and everything under
> the sun is GONE.
>
> To make this even worse, the idiots grabbed the armour bag
> also.
>
> Talan has very very distinctive armour.
> His face helm gets quite a few comments wherever he goes. It
> has a tongue sticking out that is pierced. The arms & legs are
> splinted and very nicely done. The kidney belt is a large
> leather piece that is banded with plates & has half moon shapes
> & a small shield on the back. The belt is studded with little
> rivets all along the outside edge. Everything (& I mean
> everything) was taken. This is a custom set of armour that
> would cost someone thousands of dollars to replace.
>
> While I do not suspect that someone within society took the
> armour, I can't help thinking that it may show up either at an
> event or on eBay.
>
> Also, I have pictures of his armour if anyone would like to see
> them.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
> Please forward this on to every SCA list on which you are a
> member. I really want to get the word out there.
>
****************************************************************************
**
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kali, who is shaking so hard that she does not know what to do
>



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From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 10:34:15 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:34:15 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <200308191700.h7JH04a32535@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEECEGADEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Several posts said things along the lines of:
>Also, the loss of income is an issue.  For
>the larger Baronies, it's not such a concern.
>They have events that host several hundred
>people and can fill their group's coffers
>at a single event.  Often, for the smaller
>groups, there is no hugely attended event to
>cover the entire year's expenditures.
>Although not terribly likely, what if a
>small group's event is washed out the day
>before?  What if something unforseen happens
>and the event must be cancelled?  That group
>will now have NO substantial income for
>the entire year.  It my be rare that it happens,
>but, it could, conceivably,
>result in the folding of a local group.

My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the sky
is falling in!"

The reason why I say that is that the SCA, and more especially, individual
groups, including baronies, didn't used to have the astronomical bank
accounts we now have and take for granted.

I recall many years ago in Bjornsborg when we passed the hat at our baronial
meeting in order to raise enough "front money" to do an event, and then we
counted upon the gate receipts to cover the expenses. I also recall when
having $35.00 (not three hundred and fifty, or three and a half thousand)
was what we considered a propsperous bank account.

Amazing as it seems today for groups that are used to just writing
several-hundred-dollar checks for event expenses, it is in fact possible to
go out, really check out your local community, drum up donations for bread
and other food, meeting spaces, event locations and so forth.

I'll certainly agree that having a fat wallet makes all this easier, but it
is not essential.  And, in fact, if you have to go out and canvass local
businesses looking for one or two who will make a donation to write off on
their taxes in order to be able to put on an event, there is a second
positive effect and that is that many people get exposed to the whole idea
of the SCA that would not otherwise have known about it, and this can be
useful in terms of community relations, membership, etc.

Unless we end up with a limitaion of no more than *one* event per weekend in
the kingdom, there are going to be conflicts.  That's the way it is.  I
suspect that small groups are in fact harmed more than helped by having
multiple events each year, because you still have other events sucking off
your attendance no matter how many you put on, but I don't *know* that for
sure.

Whether or not that's the case, when there were fewer groups and fewer
events in the kingdom (back when rocks were soft), I think each event *felt*
more special. We had fewer chances to see our friends and to play the game
that is so obviously special to us.  I can see a couple of ways to get back
to that: limiting events so there are no conflicts at all; splitting up into
two or more smaller kingdoms; and probably many others.

What Ansteorrans as a group need to decide is:  "why do we hold events?"  --
if it's just to make money to so that we can hold more events later, then
we're rats on a treadmill.  If the reason is to create really cool places
and occasions in which we can, if only for a few minutes, enjoy sharing
knowledge and our imaginations, then I would suggest that we need to
investigate how we can get to more quality, if less quantity.

I urge the folks who have a knee-jerk reaction that "less events means I
and/or my group are discriminated against" to really look at the total
attendance at your groups events over the last 5 years.  Are they going up?
Going down?  How about attendance at *all* events for a year, over a 5-year
period?  Before you start trying to fix it, see if it in fact broke.  Next
step is to figure out, if your attendance is down, then *why* exactly is it
down?  Can you prove it was a conflicting event? Or was it that your event
was too lackluster to draw more people?  Or you had a catastrophic disaster
(floods, for example) that prevented attendance?  We *have* to look at all
those factors.  The SCA now *does* have more money per group than we used
to.  If were were for-profit businesses, we'd be stupid not to look at what
our customers wanted, and why business was not growing vs. declining.
Guessing is worthless, and the only vote that counts is how many customers
pay you to attend your event.

::GUNNVOR::



From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 10:48:15 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:48:15 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>

I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on Kingdom 
events.
The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor in the central region bid on Crown Tournament 
in October. We never thought we had a chance. Low and behold our small 
canton will be hosting the event.

If you do not put in a bid. You cannot win it. Don?t think you are too small 
to try. This will be a whole new experience for us to learn from, and I for 
one am excited about it.

Just my two cents.
Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor



>From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
>Reply-To: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc." 
><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
>
>On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
><snip>
>  All this does in my opinion
> > is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
> > second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> > the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> > given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow
> > those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> > functioning.
> >
> > Eirik
>
>
>Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at the 
>next crown
>tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship 
>tournament. I
>would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many 
>interesting places to
>go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put together 
>or staff since
>the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by someone 
>on the
>kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That is a 
>great chance to
>shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that 
>might or might not
>have been well staffed.
>
>Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should be 
>post
>Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember 
>that
>Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to do 
>was book a
>site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and running 
>the list usually
>had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and 
>Crown areas
>were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the events 
>were
>already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it was at 
>the request
>of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that was 
>easy to
>coordinate.
>
>Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few if 
>any bids
>to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event ahead 
>of time. I
>suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other large 
>group because
>it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute event.
>
>If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two and 
>have
>volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything 
>concrete you are half
>way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown. You 
>can often
>reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full 
>refund if you
>cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament and 
>then
>cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still 
>several months
>ahead.
>
>I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. So 
>is time, so grab
>what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's 
>event and make
>a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make the 
>feast or serve
>the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a 
>reviewing stand).
>
>Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful.
>
>Claire Shayhan
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From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 11:01:57 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:01:57 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <Law11-F26xtql2IaPfi00064b6f@hotmail.com>

Just an FYI.

When we (The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor) were told of this change (by the 
seneschal of Elfsea) a date and time for the change was unknown as of yet. 
We are waiting to see if it will go into effect in 2004 or 2005. Many of us 
already have our events on the calendar for 2004 so we just have to wait and 
see what happens.

Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor


>From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:09:25 -0500
>
>So since it is "proposed" there is still room for some discussion on it?
>
>Gilli
>Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <ThoraOdottir at aol.com>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> > There is a new Kingdom Law proposed to go into effect in 2004.  Baronies
>will
> > be limited to 2 calendar events per year and Cantons to 1 calendar event
>per
> > year.  You can have as many unofficial events as you want but there can 
>be
>no
> > new court business conducted at the unofficial events.
> >
> > This was just discussed at our latest populace out here.  Gonna be some
>hard
> > decisions to make for all of us.  Hopefully we can all get together to
>save
> > the ones we enjoy through co-operation.
> >
> > Thora Olafsdottir
> > DFT
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From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 13:12:50 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:12:50 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
In-Reply-To: <ea.3cc7111a.2c738b26@aol.com>;
	from YsfaelEleanor@aol.com on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 10:16:06AM
	-0400
References: <ea.3cc7111a.2c738b26@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030819151250.B26218@stardock.pug.net>

YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor at aol.com) said something that sounded like:
> it is also true that an award for a person can be given at an 
> event in an adjoining group or one that is across the Kingdom for that matter

That is definitely true. Apparently I received a King's Archer at
Academy of the Bow but I was unable to present at the event. The award
was read into Law at that event and I was given it later. The later
happened to be Pennsic.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "If you want my views of history
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   then there is something you should know.
Dark Horde Moritu      |   The three men I admire the most are
pug at pug.net            |   Curly, Larry and Moe!" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 13:19:19 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:19:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>;
	from lady_pict2@hotmail.com on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 05:48:15PM
	+0000
References: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030819151919.C26218@stardock.pug.net>

Miss Pict (lady_pict2 at hotmail.com) said something that sounded like:
> I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on Kingdom 
> events.

I'd also like to point out that it means I'd be *more* likely to attend
a smaller groups event than I am now when there are fewer events on the
calendar to have to choose from.

Btw, I'd also like to encourage the Crown to hold Circles at the smaller
group events instead of the already jam packed large events. When you
start dreading going to events because of all the "business" being done,
you start thinking about if you really want to go to it. Spread the
wealth out more.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "And I ain't in it for the power
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   And I ain't in it for my health
Dark Horde Moritu      |   I ain't in it for the glory of anything at all
pug at pug.net            |   And I sure ain't in it for the wealth" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From mtucker at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 14:34:08 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:34:08 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000001c36662$59276cd0$1402a8c0@eirik>
Message-ID: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>

On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 09:58  AM, Ron wrote:
> First of all, why has no of this been told to those shires that don't
> have landed nobles to inform them.

One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire 
in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand? 
Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the 
regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending 
change?"

*Most* of the groups in the kingdom don't have landed nobles to inform 
them. That doesn't make them the downtrodden minority, it makes them 
the majority of groups.

Speaking as a former officer of  the kingdom, I assure you that the 
shires, cantons and colleges are given plenty of consideration at the 
kingdom level. But, it has to be a two-way street. The shire's officers 
have to care enough to attend meetings when they're called, bring news 
back from those meetings and share it with their fellow officers and 
populace.

> As a shire member, I can tell you
> that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups. The
> baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind of
> news to the shires, at least in my region.
>

Is it our neighbor Meridies' problem to keep Ansteorra informed of 
changes made by the BoD? No. It's Ansteorra's problem to stay informed, 
all on her own.

It's not the barony's problem to inform you. It's *your* problem to 
stay informed. Or, failing that, it's your up-line officers (regional 
and kingdom) to see that you are informed of changes.

> ... The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events given
> to shires and cantons if this goes into effect.
> ...
> That would allow those
> groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> functioning.
>
> Eirik

I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you 
don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.

I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather 
have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than 
have 3 bland "formula" events.

The research was done years ago to determine that we needed fewer, 
better, events. The Crown and Kingdom Seneschal suggested that groups 
head in that direction. Very few listened. Modest limits were put in 
place. Still, very few listened. We're about to see stronger limits put 
in place.

I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do 
something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal 
to impose those limits in the first place.

Yours,
Michael Silverhands



From PKieferjr at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 14:59:22 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:59:22 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <36.465a5ba7.2c73f7ba@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 4:34:50 PM Central Daylight Time, 
mtucker at airmail.net writes:

> I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do 
> something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal 
> to impose those limits in the first place.
> 
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands
> 

So, let's see if I get this straight:  As an analogy, we're like a business 
in Chapter 11 that has to reorganize itself into a leaner, meaner business in 
order to survive, which means that we have to sacrifice something along the 
way.  Would this be correct?

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)  (Seriously considering 
reviving the "principality" dead horse.)


From eirik at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 15:13:06 2003
From: eirik at hot.rr.com (Ron)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:13:06 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <004301c3669f$13f28540$1402a8c0@eirik>

> > First of all, why has no of this been told to those shires 
> that don't 
> > have landed nobles to inform them.
> 
> One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from 
> your shire 
> in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand? 
> Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the 
> regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending 
> change?"

I was at Round Table and was in the GOoFs meeting. Apparently this was
announced in the meeting that was restricted to the Landed
Baron/Baronesses. Kinda hard for someone from a group that doesn't have
a Landed Baron/Baroness to find out about it.

Eirik




From mama_mac at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 15:24:49 2003
From: mama_mac at airmail.net (Donna Wallis)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:24:49 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <002001c366a0$b67aaf80$110988cf@donna>

>Michael Silverhands wrote:
>
>One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire
>in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand?
>Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the
>regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending
>change?"


I was at King's Round Table and do not believe this was discussed in any
open session. As I understand it was discussed at the meeting the Crown
had with the Landed Nobles. Our Canton was informed by our Barony of the
changes that would be coming soon.

So Shires were left out unless the Crown or a Landed Noble contacted
them at King's Round Table .  I don't know if the Regional or Kingdom
Seneschal contacted them about the changes.


Dana Mac an Ghabhann
Loch Ruadh REALLY  ROCKS!!!




From mtucker at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 15:30:51 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:30:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <36.465a5ba7.2c73f7ba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C9E20AAF-D294-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 04:59  PM, PKieferjr at aol.com wrote:
>> I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do
>> something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and 
>> Seneschal
>> to impose those limits in the first place.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Michael Silverhands
>>
>
> So, let's see if I get this straight:  As an analogy, we're like a 
> business
> in Chapter 11 that has to reorganize itself into a leaner, meaner 
> business in
> order to survive, which means that we have to sacrifice something 
> along the
> way.  Would this be correct?
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)  (Seriously considering
> reviving the "principality" dead horse.)
>

I disagree with your analogy of a business in Chapter 11. We aren't 
"going down the tubes" financially, as your analogy implies. On the 
contrary, as Mistress Gunnvor and others have posted, we are blessed 
with good fortune (perhaps too much). We have more groups than ever 
before in our history; most groups have more money in their bank 
accounts than ever before. I think that you're missing the point.

I think that I could restate what's been said (by me and others) as: 
"We have a run-away condition of too many low-margin, low-attendance, 
cookie-cutter tiny-tourneys on the calendar; yet high-profile kingdom 
events go begging for bids. Therefore we need to limit the number of 
on-calendar events, to encourage groups to hold better, fewer events."

How did you get from that, to "seriously considering reviving the 
"principality" dead horse"? True, each piece of a divided kingdom would 
have fewer events on its calendar; we have somewhat that situation 
already, with the kingdom calendar deputy charged to prevent 
conflicting events within each region. But will that solve the 
over-riding problem (as restated above)? I don't think so. Limiting 
events by region hasn't helped to unclutter the calendar or improve the 
quality of our events, so how would dividing the kingdom help?

Yours,
Michael Silverhands



From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 19 15:28:22 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:28:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Quoting Michael Tucker <mtucker at airmail.net>:

> One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire
> in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand? 
> Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the 
> regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending 
> change?"

Of course, one might ask why all the pelicans, knights, laurels, white scarves, 
centurians, etc don't all attend the various circles.  We don't even have all 
of any of these groups attend even if the circle is local.<G>

True, the seneschals should have been informed by either the kingdom seneschal 
or their regional and then, in turn, inform their own populace.  Evidently this 
isn't the case with every group.

> 
> *Most* of the groups in the kingdom don't have landed nobles to inform
> 
> them. That doesn't make them the downtrodden minority, it makes them 
> the majority of groups.
> 
> Speaking as a former officer of  the kingdom, I assure you that the 
> shires, cantons and colleges are given plenty of consideration at the 
> kingdom level. But, it has to be a two-way street. The shire's officers
> have to care enough to attend meetings when they're called, bring news
> back from those meetings and share it with their fellow officers and 
> populace.

Again, were the all the seneschals in the kingdom required to be at Round Table 
or send a representative?  If so, then there's no excuse.  If not, then it 
falls back to being informed by kingdom or regional level.

> 
> > As a shire member, I can tell you
> > that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups.
> The
> > baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind
> of
> > news to the shires, at least in my region.
> >
> 
> Is it our neighbor Meridies' problem to keep Ansteorra informed of 
> changes made by the BoD? No. It's Ansteorra's problem to stay informed,
> all on her own.

At least the BOD announces the changes they are contemplating (to a certain 
extent) if it's going to affect the populace in general.  And perhaps the Crown 
or the kingdom seneschal will have just such an announcement in a future Black 
Star.  Hopefully that's the case as it seems that there is a fair amount of 
resistance to such a change.

> 
> It's not the barony's problem to inform you. It's *your* problem to 
> stay informed. Or, failing that, it's your up-line officers (regional 
> and kingdom) to see that you are informed of changes.
> 
<snip>

> I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you 
> don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.
> 
> I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather
> 
> have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than 
> have 3 bland "formula" events.
> 
> The research was done years ago to determine that we needed fewer, 
> better, events. The Crown and Kingdom Seneschal suggested that groups 
> head in that direction. Very few listened. Modest limits were put in 
> place. Still, very few listened. We're about to see stronger limits put
> 
> in place.
> 
> I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do 
> something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal
> 
> to impose those limits in the first place.
> 
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands

Has the problem been brought to the people?

And just what is the problem?  I've been hearing for years that the calendar is 
too crowded.  Everytime I hear that, I check the calendar and actually run the 
numbers.  It makes me wonder just what certain people consider "crowded".

For instance, if you were to look at the current 12 months (Aug '03 to July '04)
of the kindom calendar on line, you will find :

There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events per 
weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)

If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled (Christmas, 
Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings the 
number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)

The breakdown is :

25 weekends with only 1 event
14 weekends with 2 events
4 weekends with 3 events
1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.

This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled have 3 
or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with events 
scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an event 
or 2.

Also something that people don't tend to mention when they say the calendar is 
too crowded is that, in addition to the current group limitations, there is 
also a regional limitation (no more than 1 per region per weekend) and a 
distance limitation (not sure where the mileage between events has to be, but 
I'm sure HL Gwenneth Blackrose can tell us).  Yes, these limitations can be 
waived, but it's not often that they are.

So I guess my whole question is "What is the problem?".  It doesn't appear that 
the current system is broken, so as the old saying goes "If it ain't broke, 
don't fix it."  Improvements are one thing, but I don't see as whole these new 
limitations will improve things appreciably.

Ansgar



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From arabella at elfsea.net  Tue Aug 19 15:33:49 2003
From: arabella at elfsea.net (Lisa Duke)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:33:49 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030819151919.C26218@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <000601c366a1$f60079e0$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>

HL Arabella here:

Pug said.........
When you
start dreading going to events because of all the "business" being done,
you start thinking about if you really want to go to it. Spread the
wealth out more.

Ciao,

--
Phelim "Pug" Gervase

Be very careful what you say Master Pug.  Why should you dread going to an
event because of "business being done"?  The peers of this realm don't have
to.   You know there is a meeting happening twice a year set aside for
nothing but business.  It's already on the Calendar.  It even had a name
change recently.  At the last one, Their Majesties were in their finest
Royal wardrobe to conduct official Royal business.

Be very careful what you wish for, It might come true.

HL Arabella de Montacute
"Never pass up an opportunity to say nothing.  If you need to say something
do it in private."
Foster Prot?g? to Sir Pendaran Glamorgan




From mtucker at airmail.net  Tue Aug 19 15:40:17 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:40:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <004301c3669f$13f28540$1402a8c0@eirik>
Message-ID: <1B548FD1-D296-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>

> I was at Round Table and was in the GOoFs meeting. Apparently this was
> announced in the meeting that was restricted to the Landed
> Baron/Baronesses. ...
>
> Eirik
>

> I was at King's Round Table and do not believe this was discussed in 
> any
> open session. As I understand it was discussed at the meeting the Crown
> had with the Landed Nobles. ...
>
> Dana Mac an Ghabhann
> Loch Ruadh REALLY  ROCKS!!!
>

D'oh!

Michael Silverhands

p.s. in that case, I would think that the seneschalate should have 
promptly disseminated this information to the rest of the kingdom. But, 
a) I wasn't there, and b) I don't know what they did or didn't do or 
why, so c) I'll be quiet now. :-P



From Fitzmorgan at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 16:12:31 2003
From: Fitzmorgan at aol.com (Fitzmorgan at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:12:31 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <137.23dbe475.2c7408df@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 5:32:43 PM Central Standard Time, 
mama_mac at airmail.net writes:


> I was at King's Round Table and do not believe this was discussed in any
> open session. As I understand it was discussed at the meeting the Crown
> had with the Landed Nobles. Our Canton was informed by our Barony of the
> changes that would be coming soon.
> 
> So Shires were left out unless the Crown or a Landed Noble contacted
> them at King's Round Table .  I don't know if the Regional or Kingdom
> Seneschal contacted them about the changes.
> 
> 
      I was at Round Table.  I wasn't told about it.  I heard about it from 
someone who heard about it from someone in the B & B meeting.   At this point 
still third-hand rumor for all I know.  I assume it's true because no one is on 
here denying it.

Robert Fitzmorgan
Northern Regional Seneschal


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 16:13:22 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:13:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <Law11-F906shalxyPyF00064b3a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c366a7$7ca58620$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

My understanding is that the Tor was the only one that bid on it.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miss Pict" <lady_pict2 at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on
Kingdom
> events.
> The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor in the central region bid on Crown
Tournament
> in October. We never thought we had a chance. Low and behold our small
> canton will be hosting the event.
>
> If you do not put in a bid. You cannot win it. Don't think you are too
small
> to try. This will be a whole new experience for us to learn from, and I
for
> one am excited about it.
>
> Just my two cents.
> Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor
>
>
>
> >From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
> ><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
> >
> >On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
> ><snip>
> >  All this does in my opinion
> > > is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of a
> > > second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to gain
> > > the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> > > given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would allow
> > > those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep them
> > > functioning.
> > >
> > > Eirik
> >
> >
> >Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at
the
> >next crown
> >tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship
> >tournament. I
> >would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many
> >interesting places to
> >go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put together
> >or staff since
> >the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by
someone
> >on the
> >kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That is
a
> >great chance to
> >shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that
> >might or might not
> >have been well staffed.
> >
> >Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should
be
> >post
> >Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember
> >that
> >Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to do
> >was book a
> >site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and
running
> >the list usually
> >had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and
> >Crown areas
> >were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the events
> >were
> >already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it was
at
> >the request
> >of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that
was
> >easy to
> >coordinate.
> >
> >Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few if
> >any bids
> >to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event
ahead
> >of time. I
> >suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other
large
> >group because
> >it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute event.
> >
> >If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two
and
> >have
> >volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything
> >concrete you are half
> >way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown.
You
> >can often
> >reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full
> >refund if you
> >cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament and
> >then
> >cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still
> >several months
> >ahead.
> >
> >I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. So
> >is time, so grab
> >what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's
> >event and make
> >a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make
the
> >feast or serve
> >the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a
> >reviewing stand).
> >
> >Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful.
> >
> >Claire Shayhan
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 16:21:09 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:21:09 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
	<1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <003301c366a8$93bd4720$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Thank you very much for those numbers.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Quoting Michael Tucker <mtucker at airmail.net>:
>
> > One could just as easily ask "Why was there no officer from your shire
> > in attendance at King's Round Table, to hear the news first hand?
> > Failing that, why did none of your up-line officers (such as the
> > regional or kingdom seneschal) notify your group of this pending
> > change?"
>
> Of course, one might ask why all the pelicans, knights, laurels, white
scarves,
> centurians, etc don't all attend the various circles.  We don't even have
all
> of any of these groups attend even if the circle is local.<G>
>
> True, the seneschals should have been informed by either the kingdom
seneschal
> or their regional and then, in turn, inform their own populace.  Evidently
this
> isn't the case with every group.
>
> >
> > *Most* of the groups in the kingdom don't have landed nobles to inform
> >
> > them. That doesn't make them the downtrodden minority, it makes them
> > the majority of groups.
> >
> > Speaking as a former officer of  the kingdom, I assure you that the
> > shires, cantons and colleges are given plenty of consideration at the
> > kingdom level. But, it has to be a two-way street. The shire's officers
> > have to care enough to attend meetings when they're called, bring news
> > back from those meetings and share it with their fellow officers and
> > populace.
>
> Again, were the all the seneschals in the kingdom required to be at Round
Table
> or send a representative?  If so, then there's no excuse.  If not, then it
> falls back to being informed by kingdom or regional level.
>
> >
> > > As a shire member, I can tell you
> > > that we don't here the news from a landed person in these groups.
> > The
> > > baronies worry about themselves and don't bother to bring this kind
> > of
> > > news to the shires, at least in my region.
> > >
> >
> > Is it our neighbor Meridies' problem to keep Ansteorra informed of
> > changes made by the BoD? No. It's Ansteorra's problem to stay informed,
> > all on her own.
>
> At least the BOD announces the changes they are contemplating (to a
certain
> extent) if it's going to affect the populace in general.  And perhaps the
Crown
> or the kingdom seneschal will have just such an announcement in a future
Black
> Star.  Hopefully that's the case as it seems that there is a fair amount
of
> resistance to such a change.
>
> >
> > It's not the barony's problem to inform you. It's *your* problem to
> > stay informed. Or, failing that, it's your up-line officers (regional
> > and kingdom) to see that you are informed of changes.
> >
> <snip>
>
> > I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you
> > don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.
> >
> > I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather
> >
> > have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than
> > have 3 bland "formula" events.
> >
> > The research was done years ago to determine that we needed fewer,
> > better, events. The Crown and Kingdom Seneschal suggested that groups
> > head in that direction. Very few listened. Modest limits were put in
> > place. Still, very few listened. We're about to see stronger limits put
> >
> > in place.
> >
> > I think the answer isn't to complain about the limits, but to do
> > something to address the problem that motivated the Crown and Seneschal
> >
> > to impose those limits in the first place.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Michael Silverhands
>
> Has the problem been brought to the people?
>
> And just what is the problem?  I've been hearing for years that the
calendar is
> too crowded.  Everytime I hear that, I check the calendar and actually run
the
> numbers.  It makes me wonder just what certain people consider "crowded".
>
> For instance, if you were to look at the current 12 months (Aug '03 to
July '04)
> of the kindom calendar on line, you will find :
>
> There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events
per
> weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)
>
> If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
(Christmas,
> Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings
the
> number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
>
> The breakdown is :
>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
> This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
have 3
> or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
events
> scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
event
> or 2.
>
> Also something that people don't tend to mention when they say the
calendar is
> too crowded is that, in addition to the current group limitations, there
is
> also a regional limitation (no more than 1 per region per weekend) and a
> distance limitation (not sure where the mileage between events has to be,
but
> I'm sure HL Gwenneth Blackrose can tell us).  Yes, these limitations can
be
> waived, but it's not often that they are.
>
> So I guess my whole question is "What is the problem?".  It doesn't appear
that
> the current system is broken, so as the old saying goes "If it ain't
broke,
> don't fix it."  Improvements are one thing, but I don't see as whole these
new
> limitations will improve things appreciably.
>
> Ansgar
>
>
>
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From celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 16:33:23 2003
From: celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com (Mark Masters)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:33:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs
Message-ID: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>

Once a few years back at an event for the Barony of the Lonely Tower ( 
Omaha, Nebraska ).  I had seen a two piece chair they called a Viking 
Traveling Chair.  It came in two parts, the seat part would slide into a 
grove into the chair back part.  It would then lean back some so that one 
could sit at almost a recline position.  I am just trying to see if any one 
has any pics or blue prints on how to make them.  I have tried looking on 
the net & have not found what I am looking for.  So any help from any one 
would be greatly appreiciated.  Thank you one & all...

In Service to the Dream
Lord Morgan Lucktain
A & S Officer or Barony Bordermarch
Quartermaster of the Pyrate Shiphold Posiedons' Fury

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From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 16:36:39 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:36:39 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000601c366a1$f60079e0$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>;
	from arabella@elfsea.net on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 05:33:49PM -0500
References: <20030819151919.C26218@stardock.pug.net>
	<000601c366a1$f60079e0$6401a8c0@gateway.2wire.net>
Message-ID: <20030819183639.A30079@stardock.pug.net>

Lisa Duke (arabella at elfsea.net) said something that sounded like:
> Be very careful what you say Master Pug.  Why should you dread going to an
> event because of "business being done"?

  Because of the old motto.

When you stop having fun, stop doing it.

  The Peers of the Realm do a lot more "business" than what is seen at
  the King's Round Table. There is more "business" to the game of the
  SCA than what the officers do. Just ask the Laurels about judging
  sometime.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "And I ain't in it for the power
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   And I ain't in it for my health
Dark Horde Moritu      |   I ain't in it for the glory of anything at all
pug at pug.net            |   And I sure ain't in it for the wealth" --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From pug at pug.net  Tue Aug 19 16:39:00 2003
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:39:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Coastal] Vivking Chairs
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>;
	from celtic_chaos75@hotmail.com on Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at
	06:33:23PM -0500
References: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030819183900.B30079@stardock.pug.net>

Mark Masters (celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com) said something that sounded like:
> Once a few years back at an event for the Barony of the Lonely Tower ( 
> Omaha, Nebraska ).  I had seen a two piece chair they called a Viking 
> Traveling Chair.  It came in two parts, the seat part would slide into a 
> grove into the chair back part.  It would then lean back some so that one 
> could sit at almost a recline position.  I am just trying to see if any one 
> has any pics or blue prints on how to make them.  I have tried looking on 
> the net & have not found what I am looking for.  So any help from any one 
> would be greatly appreiciated.  Thank you one & all...

http://www.currentmiddleages.org/tents/chair4stargazer.pdf

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   |  "What about your friends?
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |   They're Defective!
Dark Horde Moritu      |   All the parts are out of stock."
pug at pug.net            |   --Meatloaf
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.


From Ldyinnes at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 16:49:59 2003
From: Ldyinnes at aol.com (Ldyinnes at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:49:59 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs
Message-ID: <16.3419b6a3.2c7411a7@aol.com>

Check out the Known World Handbook.

innes


From uther at lcc.net  Tue Aug 19 17:00:14 2003
From: uther at lcc.net (mike young)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:00:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
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>
>>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
> This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
have 3
> or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
events
> scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
event
> or 2.
>
> Also something that people don't tend to mention when they say the
calendar is
> too crowded is that, in addition to the current group limitations, there
is
> also a regional limitation (no more than 1 per region per weekend) and a
> distance limitation (not sure where the mileage between events has to be,
but
> I'm sure HL Gwenneth Blackrose can tell us).  Yes, these limitations can
be
> waived, but it's not often that they are.


150 miles
Don't forget that 4 weekends a year are reserved for crown and coronation.

gwyneth

>
> So I guess my whole question is "What is the problem?".  It doesn't appear
that
> the current system is broken, so as the old saying goes "If it ain't
broke,
> don't fix it."  Improvements are one thing, but I don't see as whole these
new
> limitations will improve things appreciably.
>
> Ansgar
>
>
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From agillilan at swbell.net  Tue Aug 19 17:14:50 2003
From: agillilan at swbell.net (April Gillilan)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:14:50 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
In-Reply-To: <20030819151250.B26218@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <005501c366b0$12f63b30$6401a8c0@PORTEGE>

This is definitely true.  It doesn't matter what the event is, you can
recommend people who will be there for awards, whether they are from the
sponsoring group or not.

I asked the OP gurus in our shire, and from January 2002-now, 13 people in
out shire have received 16 awards in that time frame.  Only 4 awards were
given out at our group's event.

Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do not
recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.  Anytime
a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in award
recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It doesn't
matter that it's not "our" event.

Gilyan
Shire of Mooneschadowe



> YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor at aol.com) said something that sounded
> like:
> > it is also true that an award for a person can be given at an
> > event in an adjoining group or one that is across the Kingdom for that
> matter
> 
> That is definitely true. Apparently I received a King's Archer at
> Academy of the Bow but I was unable to present at the event. The award
> was read into Law at that event and I was given it later. The later
> happened to be Pennsic.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> --
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From DonPieter at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 17:16:48 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:16:48 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Non-calender courts
Message-ID: <27.4665326e.2c7417f0@aol.com>

To tell the truth the fewer events per group thing doesn't bother me as much 
as some others BUT.... there is one thing that is. If non-calender events such 
as local yule revels can not give out awards that carry an AoA. Many baronys 
have local awards (atleast one) that carrys with it an AoA. Small local events 
are a great time to give out such awards because when you are at an event 
with mostly people from the local area it meens alot to the group. Giving local 
awards at large events where lots of people are out of towners isn't as 
special. So thats my opinion as if anyone wanted it.

Don Pieter Rausch


From DonPieter at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 17:18:37 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:18:37 EDT
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
Message-ID: <28.3c64a3db.2c74185d@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time, 
agillilan at swbell.net writes:

> 
> Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do not
> recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.  Anytime
> a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in award
> recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It doesn't
> matter that it's not "our" event.
> 
> Gilyan
> Shire of Mooneschadowe
> 

True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what about 
the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any event.
Pieter


From snorri at houston.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 17:32:58 2003
From: snorri at houston.rr.com (Snorri Hallsson)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:32:58 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
References: <17d.1f41e959.2c72ebb7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101c366b2$9b542260$c2fea8c0@steven>

Mistress Kat brought this up ...
> I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our
recent
>  meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per
year
> *including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event per
year.

Just out of curiosity, I know that each barony in Ansteorra has one
perpetual event date, a set weekend every year that a barony has reserved on
the calendar per Kingdom law.  My question is, why was this established?
What was the reasoning for creating PEDs for baronies but not shires,
cantons, etc. when this law was passed?  (Responders, act like I don't know
anything, ask my wife, it's real easy to do.)


Lord Snorri Hallsson



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 17:38:05 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:38:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <sf41df18.014@ag.tamu.edu>
Message-ID: <00a601c366b3$527feb40$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Please don't forget, Middleford is pretty close to the center of the
Kingdom.  We too are within 150 miles of a good number of groups.  And if
you expand that mileage just a little, say a 4 hour drive, my, my.

While some groups may be maxed out on what awards their populace can get,
others aren't.  Some groups even have population that rotate in and out on a
more or less regular base.  Examples of those groups are those near military
basese, like Middleford and Namron, and all those groups with colleges.
There's a bunch of these so I'm not going to even try to list them.

Groups such as yours and ours have there scheduling challenges.  Military
deployment, training exercises, Boy Scout events and Wicken Weekends just
give us opportunities to excell.  Thre are certain time of the year because
of my working as a civilian contractor on Fort Hood, I'm pretty much a write
off, like the month of August.

AS for being able to get dates on the calendar, well...have you heard of the
5Ps? Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance. : If one waits to within 4
months of when they want to do an event, yep, it might be a little tight.
Right now, we're just waiting for the calendar to progress a little further
so we can put in a request for War Chieftain 2005.

Gilli

Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman White" <gn-white at tamu.edu>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Greetings from Master Jin Liu Ch'ang,
>
> I normally do not post to the list, preferring to be a lurker, but I felt
the need to speak on this topic.
> Gilli said that event limits are a bad thing because:
> >Some groups don't have landed folks.
> I come from the Shire of the Shadowlands, one of the small groups that
have trouble getting event dates.
> We have no landed or even unlanded barons in our group.
> Our group is within 150 miles of Stargate and its cantons, Ravensfort,
Bryn Gwlad, and most other groups in the Southern and Coastal Regions.
> As a group, you do not want to have an event the week before or after
another close by group much less the same date so that cuts out most
weekends.
> When you combine that with the fact that the community in which we are
based, Bryan/College Station, has an enormous university (TAMU) that holds
its own events that basically wreck traffic for many weekends, especially in
the fall, we have experienced many problems getting dates for events.
> Part of our problem with scheduling events is that we dare not try to
schedule an event against an A&M football game, graduation, or other large
college event.
> But another problem is that our surrounding groups have felt the need to
hold 3 to 4 events per year.
> When there are approximately 10 groups nearby, combined with coronations
and such, this does not leave many free weekends for us to have events.
> Therefore, I am glad to hear that something is being done.
>
> As for Gilli's reasons that the limit is a bad thing:
> >1.    Reduces opportunities to get awards given to populace.
>
> Most of the people in my group have either gotten their awards at other
group's events or they got them from a visiting baron and baroness.
> This occurred so often in our history that it resulted in Baron Don Tivar
and Baroness Aethylean (I apologize if I misspelled their names) becoming
the first persons to receive a Comet for service to a group in which they
were not a resident.
> Myself, I received my Iris and Laurel at Ravensfort events because our
group was unable to get event dates during that period.
> Therefore, his second objection:
>
> >2.    Will increase court times. Instead of being able to have the awards
> >given at several events during the year it will now be at only one for
> >Shires and Cantons.
>
> Courts have been too long for years.
> The most objectionable reason for court length in my mind is the feeling
by some people that they need to do presentations in court.
> I feel that if you feel the need to do a presentation in court, you are
doing it for the wrong reasons.
> As for the ability to receive awards several times in the year, be happy
to have an event to get them once.
> I also do not believe that holding only one event a year will hurt most
people as far as getting awards as very few deserve more than one a year.
> As for his third objection:
>
> >3.    Non calendar events are not well attended.  We know, we do several
a
> >year now.  And most groups don't do them.
>
> Our last few events have had less than maybe a dozen people attend from
outside the group because other groups were having bigger events.  In one
case, we thought we had a chance to hold a well attended event but the
Kingdom calendar changed and it resulted in Elfsea having an event opposite
ours.
>
> I have nothing to say about his fourth and fifth objections, except been
there, gone through it for years.
> >4.    Reduces by half the income for Shires and Cantons and by a third
for
> >Baronies.
> >5.    Reduces the amount of choices and varity of events to go to.
>
> As for his last statement:
> >I hate to say it, but the reason the Kingdom calendar is too full is
because
> >the Kingdom is too big.  Now there is politically incorrect thought.
>
> This may be true, but if you look at the calendars for other Kingdoms, you
will find that very few of them have groups holding 3 and 4 events a year.
>
> Gilli's last statement:
> >I will email the Crown tomorrow.  It's too late tonight to do so
> >effectively.  But item one above really bothers me.
>
> Discussion on decisions such as this are always welcome but I remember
Ulsted and Cateau when they were members of the Shire of the Shadowlands so
I know they remember what it is like to be unable to get dates.
>
> It must be nice to live where there are fewer surrounding groups and you
can get event dates.
>
> Jin Liu Ch'ang
> m.k.a. Norman White
> gn-white at tamu.edu
>
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 17:43:38 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:43:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
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I think that is a wonderful question.

In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
only two?

Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?

If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all three) that
would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
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From: "Snorri Hallsson" <snorri at houston.rr.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question


> Mistress Kat brought this up ...
> > I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our
> recent
> >  meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per
> year
> > *including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event
per
> year.
>
> Just out of curiosity, I know that each barony in Ansteorra has one
> perpetual event date, a set weekend every year that a barony has reserved
on
> the calendar per Kingdom law.  My question is, why was this established?
> What was the reasoning for creating PEDs for baronies but not shires,
> cantons, etc. when this law was passed?  (Responders, act like I don't
know
> anything, ask my wife, it's real easy to do.)
>
>
> Lord Snorri Hallsson
>
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From lymadelina at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 15:51:21 2003
From: lymadelina at earthlink.net (Madelina de Lindesay)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:51:21 -0500 (GMT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: [Coastal] Vivking Chairs
Message-ID: <1025712.1061340674426.JavaMail.nobody@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Uddgar once told me these chairs are an invention of the 20th century.  Does anyone have documentation?

Madelina


From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 18:02:20 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:02:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually Viking Chairs
In-Reply-To: <200308200045.h7K0jRa09598@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEIEGEDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Lord Morgan Lucktain asked:
>...I had seen a two piece chair they
>called a Viking Traveling Chair.  It
>came in two parts, the seat part would
>slide into a grove into the chair back
>part.  It would then lean back some so
>that one could sit at almost a recline
>position.  I am just trying to see if any
>one has any pics or blue prints on how
>to make them.  I have tried looking on
>the net & have not found what I am looking
>for.  So any help from any one
>would be greatly appreiciated.

Firstly, these are not Viking chairs by any stretch of the imagination.  How
the two board, non-period camp chairs got to be called "Viking chairs"
involves the general evolution of "folk understandings" in the SCA.

To locate the two-board, modern camp chairs, try searching for "stargarzer
chair".  There are online plans for this not medieval chair at:

http://www.currentmiddleages.org/tents/chair4stargazer.pdf

HOWEVER... if you'd like an actual Viking chair, I can help you with that,
too.  Check out my article on woodworking in the Viking Age
(http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/wood.htm) in the "Furniture" section.  Then
also consult the Bibliography, which has one section devoted to
"Reconstructions, Plans and How To Articles".  There's one chair from Lund,
Sweden (ca. 1000-1050) that is almost identical to a chair I've seen offered
commercially at various places such as Walmart from time to time.

::GUNNVOR::







From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 18:06:37 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:06:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually A Viking Chair
In-Reply-To: <200308200045.h7K0jRa09598@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEMEGEDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

Lord Morgan Lucktain asked:
>...I had seen a two piece chair they
>called a Viking Traveling Chair.  It
>came in two parts, the seat part would
>slide into a grove into the chair back
>part.  It would then lean back some so
>that one could sit at almost a recline
>position.  I am just trying to see if any
>one has any pics or blue prints on how
>to make them.  I have tried looking on
>the net & have not found what I am looking
>for.  So any help from any one
>would be greatly appreiciated.

Firstly, these are not Viking chairs by any stretch of the imagination.  How
the two board, non-period camp chairs got to be called "Viking chairs"
involves the general evolution of "folk understandings" in the SCA.

To locate the two-board, modern camp chairs, try searching for "stargarzer
chair".  There are online plans for this not medieval chair at:

http://www.currentmiddleages.org/tents/chair4stargazer.pdf
http://cls.coe.utk.edu/mcnutt/SCA/portfolio/woodworking/bogchair/bogchairpla
ns.htm

And though I'm sure no one would have guessed this, there are a series of
messages about this type of chair in Stefan's Florilegium at
http://www.florilegium.org/files/HOME/chairs-msg.html as well ;-)

HOWEVER... if you'd like an actual Viking chair, I can help you with that,
too.  Check out my article on woodworking in the Viking Age
(http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/wood.htm) in the "Furniture" section.  Then
also consult the Bibliography, which has one section devoted to
"Reconstructions, Plans and How To Articles".  There's one chair from Lund,
Sweden (ca. 1000-1050) that is almost identical to a chair I've seen offered
commercially at various places such as Walmart from time to time.

::GUNNVOR::






From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 19:14:23 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:14:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030819211420.0136e9d8@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 07:32 PM 8/19/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Mistress Kat brought this up ...
>> I could've sworn that I heard a change to this announced at one of our
>recent
>>  meetings.  Something along the line of Baronies can have 2 events per
>year
>> *including* their perpetual event.  Shires & cantons can host 1 event per
>year.
>
>Just out of curiosity, I know that each barony in Ansteorra has one
>perpetual event date, a set weekend every year that a barony has reserved on
>the calendar per Kingdom law.  My question is, why was this established?
>What was the reasoning for creating PEDs for baronies but not shires,
>cantons, etc. when this law was passed?  (Responders, act like I don't know
>anything, ask my wife, it's real easy to do.)


I wasn't in on the decision-making process, but I *think* the reasoning
went like this: 

Some groups have "traditional" events (such as Steppes Warlord, Candlemas
in Bryn Gwlad or Namron Protectorate.) Locking those dates into the kingdom
calendar means, on the one hand, that the group doesn't have to fight for
that weekend every year and on the other hand, groups planning events near
that time will already know that, for example, Namron Protectorate is on
Columbus Day weekend, so they can plan around it.

(Bear in mind that when this was done, the number of groups in Ansteorra
was significantly smaller than it is now.)

	-Tivar Moondragon



From cchipman at nomadics.com  Tue Aug 19 20:35:13 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:35:13 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
	<1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <00f601c366cc$117c82c0$19c11f43@nomadics.com>

Have you added in the following events:

Gulf Wars
Pennsic
Estrella
Lillies
Diamond Wars

While not everyone in the kingdom goes to those events, they do factor into
the calendar.  Depending on how you count those (Pennsic 2, GW 2, Lillies 2,
Estrella 1, and Diamond Wars 1) thats another 10 events.

Jean Paul (doing recon behind enemy lines :) )

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


-- snip --
> There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events
per
> weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)
>
> If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
(Christmas,
> Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings
the
> number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
>
> The breakdown is :
>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
> This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
have 3
> or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
events
> scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
event
> or 2.
>
-- snip -- 
> Ansgar
>
>
>
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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Tue Aug 19 20:37:18 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:37:18 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
References: <28.3c64a3db.2c74185d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <010401c366cc$5bd01170$19c11f43@nomadics.com>

Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
(Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either Comets,
Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.

Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)


> In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time,
> agillilan at swbell.net writes:
>
> >
> > Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do
not
> > recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.
Anytime
> > a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in
award
> > recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It
doesn't
> > matter that it's not "our" event.
> >
> > Gilyan
> > Shire of Mooneschadowe
> >
>
> True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what
about
> the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any
event.
> Pieter
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 19:42:01 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:42:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <DD4EB4D9-D28C-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net><1061332102.3f42a4869fd9d@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
	<00f601c366cc$117c82c0$19c11f43@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c366c4$a4d8ca40$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Diamond Wars???

Where and when is that??

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Chipman" <cchipman at nomadics.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Have you added in the following events:
>
> Gulf Wars
> Pennsic
> Estrella
> Lillies
> Diamond Wars
>
> While not everyone in the kingdom goes to those events, they do factor
into
> the calendar.  Depending on how you count those (Pennsic 2, GW 2, Lillies
2,
> Estrella 1, and Diamond Wars 1) thats another 10 events.
>
> Jean Paul (doing recon behind enemy lines :) )
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> -- snip --
> > There are currently 69 events scheduled over 53 weeks.  Thats 1.3 events
> per
> > weekend.  (Doesn't sound crowded to me.)
> >
> > If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
> (Christmas,
> > Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That brings
> the
> > number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
> >
> > The breakdown is :
> >
> > 25 weekends with only 1 event
> > 14 weekends with 2 events
> > 4 weekends with 3 events
> > 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
> >
> > This means that only 5 of the weekends with events currently scheduled
> have 3
> > or more events on a given weekend.  That's only 11% of the weekends with
> events
> > scheduled.  And some of the weekends that are empty could easily take an
> event
> > or 2.
> >
> -- snip --
> > Ansgar
> >
> >
> >
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From PKieferjr at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 19:42:25 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:42:25 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 5:33:15 PM Central Daylight Time, 
mtucker at airmail.net writes:
How did you get from that, to "seriously considering reviving the 
"principality" dead horse"? True, each piece of a divided kingdom would 
have fewer events on its calendar; we have somewhat that situation 
already, with the kingdom calendar deputy charged to prevent 
conflicting events within each region. But will that solve the 
over-riding problem (as restated above)? I don't think so. Limiting 
events by region hasn't helped to unclutter the calendar or improve the 
quality of our events, so how would dividing the kingdom help?

Yours,
Michael Silverhands
I'm basically looking at this as "we've become overwhelmed that we can't do 
things efficiently or effectively within the current structure without coming 
up short somewhere", so we add another layer of sorts.  One would have to 
acknowledge that someone can't be everywhere they'd like to be (i.e., Crown, et. 
al.), so another layer, in the form of a coronet principality, delegated certain 
duties when the monarchy cannot be there in person.  Sort of like a 
"stand-in" (although a noble is supposed to do this as well).

Take a look at the number of groups overall. Unless I'm in error, that's 41 
total.  Is this an unusually high number for any kingdom?  Did other kingdoms 
run into this "overpopulation" problem?  It reminds me a lot of the fact that 
our planet is home to 6 billion people, and that affects practically 
everything.  This appears to be one of those effects:  A metric buttload of SCA'ers (a 
Good Thing (TM), but a logistical nightmare).  How many kingdoms are there now? 
 I think I've lost track, but you get the idea.  The Kingdom itself may have 
grown too big to be handled in a official monarchial capacity as one undivided 
unit.

41 groups, 39 available weekends.  Still sounds like we've grown rather big.  
May be time to beat that dead horse again.

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 19:45:02 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:45:02 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
References: <28.3c64a3db.2c74185d@aol.com>
	<010401c366cc$5bd01170$19c11f43@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <004401c366c5$0f46e240$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Well, once that thing is read into law, it's like a heat seeking missile.
That's a good thing.  Those precious scribes put in far too much work on
those scroll to let them go to waste.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Chipman" <cchipman at nomadics.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)


> Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
> (Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either
Comets,
> Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.
>
> Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
>
>
> > In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time,
> > agillilan at swbell.net writes:
> >
> > >
> > > Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you
do
> not
> > > recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.
> Anytime
> > > a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in
> award
> > > recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It
> doesn't
> > > matter that it's not "our" event.
> > >
> > > Gilyan
> > > Shire of Mooneschadowe
> > >
> >
> > True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what
> about
> > the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any
> event.
> > Pieter
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:02:23 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:02:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c366c7$7c1853c0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

>From where I stand; though dark, dank and there seems to be a foul smell in
the air (Ooops, sorry), I think things are going fine.  Which means if it
ain't broke, don't fix it.  However, should we have an area or region that
has become all they can be as that area or region, and they and the
resulting split would both meet Kingdom status, I'd say COOL.  However,
there's a bunch of IF in there.

Thing is, folks WANT to be ANSTEORRAN.  Go figure.  :)

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <PKieferjr at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> In a message dated 8/19/2003 5:33:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
> mtucker at airmail.net writes:
> How did you get from that, to "seriously considering reviving the
> "principality" dead horse"? True, each piece of a divided kingdom would
> have fewer events on its calendar; we have somewhat that situation
> already, with the kingdom calendar deputy charged to prevent
> conflicting events within each region. But will that solve the
> over-riding problem (as restated above)? I don't think so. Limiting
> events by region hasn't helped to unclutter the calendar or improve the
> quality of our events, so how would dividing the kingdom help?
>
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands
> I'm basically looking at this as "we've become overwhelmed that we can't
do
> things efficiently or effectively within the current structure without
coming
> up short somewhere", so we add another layer of sorts.  One would have to
> acknowledge that someone can't be everywhere they'd like to be (i.e.,
Crown, et.
> al.), so another layer, in the form of a coronet principality, delegated
certain
> duties when the monarchy cannot be there in person.  Sort of like a
> "stand-in" (although a noble is supposed to do this as well).
>
> Take a look at the number of groups overall. Unless I'm in error, that's
41
> total.  Is this an unusually high number for any kingdom?  Did other
kingdoms
> run into this "overpopulation" problem?  It reminds me a lot of the fact
that
> our planet is home to 6 billion people, and that affects practically
> everything.  This appears to be one of those effects:  A metric buttload
of SCA'ers (a
> Good Thing (TM), but a logistical nightmare).  How many kingdoms are there
now?
>  I think I've lost track, but you get the idea.  The Kingdom itself may
have
> grown too big to be handled in a official monarchial capacity as one
undivided
> unit.
>
> 41 groups, 39 available weekends.  Still sounds like we've grown rather
big.
> May be time to beat that dead horse again.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From ferret at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:16:38 2003
From: ferret at hot.rr.com (Paul DeLisle)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:16:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <01c901c366ae$091d1770$982222d1@theparents>
Message-ID: <CCEDJGIDBGOMKABAAKMBAEMDECAA.ferret@hot.rr.com>

> > 25 weekends with only 1 event
> > 14 weekends with 2 events
> > 4 weekends with 3 events
> > 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.

...looking up at the banners, blowing in the breeze; 
and remembering what we're here for:

...PRICELESS...

In Service, I remain
Alden Pharamond
Tempio, Ansteorra




From jerryn at houston.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:18:52 2003
From: jerryn at houston.rr.com (Gerald Norris)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:18:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <200308200045.h7K0jRa09598@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <IOEKLKKIAMOLDFPOJHJPAEFKCGAA.jerryn@houston.rr.com>

A little while ago, Gilli said something like:

> I think that is a wonderful question.
>
> In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
> only two?
>
> Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?
>
> If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all
> three) that
> would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
>
> Gilli

Alas, Gilli, you have discovered the secret plot of all baronies, and so the
tickling hamsters must be summoned.

"Bring out the Hamsters!"

*In the background an odd strain of music reminiscent of "Thus Spake
Zarathustra" but probably a little tinnier can be heard as a low bass thud
that is more tactile than audible and a rumble that reminds you of the day
the whole class had the bean salad and what a noise THAT was but it's mixed
with the grinding of stone and finally creaks to a stop and the silence is
thick enough to swim through and then you hear -
the heart-sickening double-thud -
and the eerie deep chittering -
as two large bundles of fur start lolloping toward you*

In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
HL Gerald of Leesville
Ravenskald of Ravensfort
A bard of Stargate
Kingdom Ansteorra



From DonPieter at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 20:30:35 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:30:35 EDT
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
Message-ID: <65.1772554f.2c74455b@aol.com>

Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry an AoA did I not?  The 
comet,thistle and AoA are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local awards that carry 
AoA's. ie The Firebrand of Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
Pieter


In a message dated 8/19/2003 9:39:52 PM Central Standard Time, 
cchipman at nomadics.com writes:

> Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
> (Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either Comets,
> Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.
> 
> Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
> 
> 
> >In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:16:18 PM Central Standard Time,
> >agillilan at swbell.net writes:
> >
> >>
> >>Giving and receiving awards all depends upon recommendations.  If you do
> not
> >>recommend people in your group for awards, they will not get them.
> Anytime
> >>a Mooneschadeen "puppy pile" starts to form up for an event, I send in
> award
> >>recommendations for people who will be there that deserve them.  It
> doesn't
> >>matter that it's not "our" event.
> >>
> >>Gilyan
> >>Shire of Mooneschadowe
> >>
> >
> >True. Kingdom awards are like that. but As I said in another post what
> about
> >the local awards that carry AoA's?  Those are not given out at just any
> event.
> >Pieter
> >_______________________________________________



From ferret at hot.rr.com  Tue Aug 19 20:37:19 2003
From: ferret at hot.rr.com (Paul DeLisle)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:37:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <IOEKLKKIAMOLDFPOJHJPAEFKCGAA.jerryn@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CCEDJGIDBGOMKABAAKMBMEMEECAA.ferret@hot.rr.com>

> > If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all
> > three) that
> > would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
> > Gilli
>
> Alas, Gilli, you have discovered the secret plot of all baronies,
> and so the tickling hamsters must be summoned.
> "Bring out the Hamsters!"
>
> *In the background an odd strain of music reminiscent of "Thus Spake
> Zarathustra" but probably a little tinnier can be heard as a low bass thud
> that is more tactile than audible and a rumble that reminds you of the day
> the whole class had the bean salad and what a noise THAT was but
> it's mixed
> with the grinding of stone and finally creaks to a stop and the silence is
> thick enough to swim through and then you hear -
> the heart-sickening double-thud -
> and the eerie deep chittering -
> as two large bundles of fur start lolloping toward you*
>
> In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
> HL Gerald of Leesville
> Ravenskald of Ravensfort
> A bard of Stargate
> Kingdom Ansteorra

...*not* normally a "Me, too" kinda guy...but...
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You rock!
(B.T.W...    ME, TOO!)

In Service, I remain
Alden Pharamond
Tempio, Ansteorra

(WELL DONE, m'Lord!)




From philipwhite at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 20:38:14 2003
From: philipwhite at hotmail.com (Craig Shupee')
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:38:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pennsic Surprise Court in Barn
Message-ID: <20030819223814.A1484@stardock.pug.net>

Greetings Ansteorrans and Dancers!

As enthusiastic people from the Known World were arranging the floor at 
Pennsic for dance ? clearing away tables and sweeping away debris ? one 
Ansteorran was preparing to organize dance.  Meanwhile ? those Ansteorrans 
at Pennsic where gathering en masse.  Rumors had already been spread that 
the Ansteorran Crown was going to make a confident display of Royalty by 
making a special presentation to a member of their populous.

The Royal Progress began at the Ansteorran camp.  Preceded by Their heralds 
bearing the proud banners of the Kingdom, His Majesty Ulsted the Unsteady 
and Her Majesty Cateau D?Ardennes led their subjects forth through the lands 
of Pennsic in full regalia.  Each member of their populous clothed in some 
of their best court garb.  Every witness of this regal Progress bowed low in 
respect for this potent display of community and society.

As the mass of Ansteorrans appeared at the barn where dance was about to 
commence, they were able to surprise Lady Lowrie Leulyn as she was 
discussing which dances to prepare for with the musicians.  Startled by the 
gathering of Ansteorrans lead by the Crown, I think that Lowrie was slightly 
dumbstruck.  Suddenly, Court had been opened and the Crown was announcing 
their respect for Lowrie.  Her Majesty Cateau eloquently addressed her 
kingdom and the lurking dancers of Lowrie?s deeds.  Swiftly, the Crown had 
appeared and recognized Lady Lowrie with a Sable Thistle in the Field of 
Dance.  This all happening while surrounded by her peers and friends of the 
Known World.

It was certainly a magical and thrilling way to begin the evening dancing.  
This show of respect and commitment is greatly appreciated because the Crown 
and the Kingdom went to special efforts so that this could happen.

I personally extend my gratitude to the Crown and the Kingdom ? for Their 
support of a dancer and of the dance community.

Your Servant to Command,
Philip White

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From chiang at odsy.net  Tue Aug 19 20:38:38 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:38:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs
References: <Law11-F20faZWZaendg000660cc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401c366cc$8b6b9170$4750cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

I have one of those type chairs. Won it at Passe deArms in Adlersruhe a few
years ago. They are pretty neat chairs. My young daughter promptly claimed
it and calls it her clothes pin chair.
Come to Gothic Wars on Labor Day weekend and I will show you mine <G>
HE Chiang, who never passes up a chance to plug Gothic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Masters" <celtic_chaos75 at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>; <Bordermarch at ansteorra.org>;
<coastal at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 6:33 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vivking Chairs


> Once a few years back at an event for the Barony of the Lonely Tower (
> Omaha, Nebraska ).  I had seen a two piece chair they called a Viking
> Traveling Chair.  It came in two parts, the seat part would slide into a
> grove into the chair back part.  It would then lean back some so that one
> could sit at almost a recline position.  I am just trying to see if any
one
> has any pics or blue prints on how to make them.  I have tried looking on
> the net & have not found what I am looking for.  So any help from any one
> would be greatly appreiciated.  Thank you one & all...
>
> In Service to the Dream
> Lord Morgan Lucktain
> A & S Officer or Barony Bordermarch
> Quartermaster of the Pyrate Shiphold Posiedons' Fury





From lyonsden19 at att.net  Tue Aug 19 22:41:14 2003
From: lyonsden19 at att.net (William E. Lyon)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:41:14 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <00f601c366cc$117c82c0$19c11f43@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <KPEIIPINJLHKDOMBKHBOGEHACCAA.lyonsden19@att.net>


should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?

Uilleam, who just usually lurks
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Carl Chipman
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:35 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


Have you added in the following events:

Gulf Wars
Pennsic
Estrella
Lillies
Diamond Wars

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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 20:52:01 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:52:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Wars RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <KPEIIPINJLHKDOMBKHBOGEHACCAA.lyonsden19@att.net>
Message-ID: <20030820035201.54929.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>



"William E. Lyon" <lyonsden19 at att.net> wrote: 

>should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?

>Uilleam, who just usually lurks


>Have you added in the following events:

>Gulf Wars

We are principals in this war...so we better have it on our calander

>Pennsic

This is like the SCA World Wide convention...it behooves  us to have as large as presence there as possible...


>Estrella

We have a treaty with Calontir to fight with them at this war...so they will fight with us at Gulf War...

>Lillies


Haven't made it to this one...but I've heard that it is a really fun war...

>Diamond Wars

A war that is fun....and near by (in Arkansas)

Lorraine Deerslayer




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From maaggie3 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 19 20:52:29 2003
From: maaggie3 at comcast.net (Lisa A. May)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:52:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEECEGADEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>
Message-ID: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>

Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!

While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out that
all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of scheduled
events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming events
are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the next
twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .

Margaret

****************************************
Countess Margaret ny Connor
Barony of the Steppes
Kingdom of Ansteorra
****************************************

"And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink as
friends."  W. Shakespeare.

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income

<snip>

My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the sky
is falling in!"

<much, much snippage>

::GUNNVOR::

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From lyonsden19 at att.net  Tue Aug 19 22:56:23 2003
From: lyonsden19 at att.net (William E. Lyon)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:56:23 -0700
Subject: Wars RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030820035201.54929.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <KPEIIPINJLHKDOMBKHBOIEHBCCAA.lyonsden19@att.net>

yes on the calendar, but not considered as congestion

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of L T
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:52 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Wars RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?




"William E. Lyon" <lyonsden19 at att.net> wrote:

>should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?

>Uilleam, who just usually lurks


>Have you added in the following events:

>Gulf Wars

We are principals in this war...so we better have it on our calander

>Pennsic

This is like the SCA World Wide convention...it behooves  us to have as
large as presence there as possible...


>Estrella

We have a treaty with Calontir to fight with them at this war...so they will
fight with us at Gulf War...

>Lillies


Haven't made it to this one...but I've heard that it is a really fun war...

>Diamond Wars

A war that is fun....and near by (in Arkansas)

Lorraine Deerslayer




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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 20:59:03 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:59:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually Viking Chairs
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEIEGEDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>
Message-ID: <20030820035903.34504.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>



"C. L. Ward" <gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com> wrote:
>Firstly, these are not Viking chairs by any stretch of the imagination. How
>the two board, non-period camp chairs got to be called "Viking chairs"
>involves the general evolution of "folk understandings" in the SCA.

Another name for them is "African Birthing Chairs"

Lorraine DeerSlayer



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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Tue Aug 19 22:02:27 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:02:27 -0500
Subject: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)
References: <65.1772554f.2c74455b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <020801c366d8$41806b10$19c11f43@nomadics.com>

Oops, sorry about misunderstanding.  I've always lived in a shire, so was
not thinking of those awards and circumstances.  However, the Baronies still
will have TWO events to give the award out at...

Jean Paul



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From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>; <cchipman at nomadics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Awards at other events (was Re: [Ansteorra] REDUCED EVENTS)


> Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry an AoA did I not?  The
> comet,thistle and AoA are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local awards
that carry
> AoA's. ie The Firebrand of Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
> Pieter
>
>
> In a message dated 8/19/2003 9:39:52 PM Central Standard Time,
> cchipman at nomadics.com writes:
>
> > Yes they are.  At last Crown tournament (hosted by Northkeep) our shire
> > (Mooneschadowe) had six awards given out, all of which where either
Comets,
> > Thistles, or (IIRC) AoA's.
> >
> > Jean Paul  (taking care of alll of his e-mail right now)
> >



From IagoAH at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 21:09:59 2003
From: IagoAH at aol.com (IagoAH at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:09:59 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <14f.22bef79f.2c744e97@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/03 9:42:29 PM Central Daylight Time, gilli at hot.rr.com 
writes:


> Diamond Wars???
> 
> Where and when is that??
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.

September or October, I think, in Arkansas.

Iago


From edrei at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 21:10:29 2003
From: edrei at earthlink.net (David  Backlin)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:10:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] 10 DAYS!!
Message-ID: <028301c366d1$018b24c0$2b50be3f@gateway>

Only 10 more days until the Shire of Smythkepe presents Mid Summer Knight's
Dream XI: the War of the Roses.

We've got a lot planned and hopefully something for everyone:


A&S Competitions

For beginners, or those create works only for fun, we offer the Red Rose
Category. Documentation welcome, but not necessary. Entries will be
available for populace voting from 11am to 5pm on Saturday.

Have you made a period garment or armor? Do you have a well researched game
or other handmade creation? Do you have the explanations and documentation
to demonstrate your craft to others? For you, we offer the White Rose
Category. Entries will reviewed by experienced judges who can give your
effort its due. Entries need to be at the judging table by 11:30.

Children can have their talents displayed too, by showing their artwork or
things made in your very own Rosebud Category! This is not a competition and
all childrens entries will receive a participation token.


Classes:
We have a wide variety of classes being held from Waterbearing 101,
Experimenting with Period Pigment Paints, Feastocrating 101, an introduction
to the Bardic Arts (by Gleann Abhann's Principality Bard Lady Alina nic
Bhaird !!)
and much more (including COGA approved classes).

Fighting activities include:
Heavy Fighting:
Midnight Boffer Dagger Duel
Tourney of Arms (featuring The Wheel of Death)
Loot Tourney
Battle of the Roses -
Woodland Battle, Bridge Battle, much more, including a Fledgling Tourney
(authorized 18 months or less)

Light Fighting:
Duelist tourney (an ongoing tourney for the weekend)
Burning deck tourney
Torchlight fights
Favor Tourney. Entrants must bear a favor to participate)
and so much more.

There will also be a Children's Boffer Dagger tourney (details to be
announced on site), as well as Youth Combat.

If nothing else, come shop the merchants and enjoy our feast ;)

Our MSKD Website has lots more information (including the Feast Menu).

http://www.smythkeeptavern.org/


We hope to see everyone there!!!



Ld Edrei the Quiet (mka David Backlin)
Merchant-crat  Mid Summer Knight's Dream XI
August 29-Sept 1 2003
Shire of Smythkepe





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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 21:12:04 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <20030819183639.A30079@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <20030820041204.57932.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>

I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something else...
 
A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if you have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> wrote:
Lisa Duke (arabella at elfsea.net) said something that sounded like:
> Be very careful what you say Master Pug. Why should you dread going to an
> event because of "business being done"?

Because of the old motto.

When you stop having fun, stop doing it.

The Peers of the Realm do a lot more "business" than what is seen at
the King's Round Table. There is more "business" to the game of the
SCA than what the officers do. Just ask the Laurels about judging
sometime.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase | "And I ain't in it for the power
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra | And I ain't in it for my health
Dark Horde Moritu | I ain't in it for the glory of anything at all
pug at pug.net | And I sure ain't in it for the wealth" --Meatloaf
Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.
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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 21:13:35 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:13:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <14f.22bef79f.2c744e97@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030820041335.60925.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com>

Unfortunately it is always the same weekend as Raven's Fort's Defender event!!!
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

IagoAH at aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 8/19/03 9:42:29 PM Central Daylight Time, gilli at hot.rr.com 
writes:


> Diamond Wars???
> 
> Where and when is that??
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.

September or October, I think, in Arkansas.

Iago
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From PKieferjr at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 21:24:52 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:24:52 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <103.348660e2.2c745214@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 10:42:26 PM Central Daylight Time, 
lyonsden19 at att.net writes:
should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?
Considering the amount of attendence by Ansteorrans, that would be a big 
hearty "YES".

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 19 22:28:50 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:28:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1061357330.3f430712a2e59@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Yes, those numbers were for the twelve months starting in the current month, 
which is why I used the term

Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:

> Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
> 
> While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
> that
> all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
> scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
> scheduled
> events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
> events
> are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
> next
> twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
> 
> Margaret
> 
> ****************************************
> Countess Margaret ny Connor
> Barony of the Steppes
> Kingdom of Ansteorra
> ****************************************
> 
> "And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink
> as
> friends."  W. Shakespeare.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
> 
> <snip>
> 
> My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the
> sky
> is falling in!"
> 
> <much, much snippage>
> 
> ::GUNNVOR::
> 
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From DonnelShaw at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 22:39:01 2003
From: DonnelShaw at aol.com (DonnelShaw at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:39:01 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Not Actually Viking Chairs
Message-ID: <135.2400e773.2c746375@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/19/2003 11:01:24 PM Central Standard Time, 
ldeerslayer at yahoo.com writes:

> Another name for them is "African Birthing Chairs"
> 
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
> 
> 

Now that is a scary idea. Keeping balanced and giving birth at the same time. 


From gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com  Tue Aug 19 22:39:57 2003
From: gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com (C. L. Ward)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:39:57 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events
In-Reply-To: <200308200402.h7K42ua15485@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEMEGHDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>

> Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry
> an AoA did I not?  The  comet,thistle and AoA
> are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local
> awards that carry AoA's. ie The Firebrand of
>Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
> Pieter

Pieter, not all local awards carry AoAs.  The Bjornsborg Firebrands, at
least when they started, did not, although the Ursae Majoris and later the
Ursae Australis did. A barony can have as many (or as few) nonarmigerous
awards as they want.

And, as for what you do about local awards you'd like to give at these
non-calendar events, is the Crown can read 'em into law at any Crown court -
for which one does not have to have the whole kingdom present.  I'd think
that the Crown could summon a few witnesses into Their camp a little ahead
of Group X's noncalendar event, open Their Court, read the scrolls into law,
Close Court, and send the awards via messenger (or FedEx, etc.) to Group X
to be duly presented with much publich hoorah and rejoicing at the
non-calendar event.

But, honest-to-goshen, "having an event so we can give out awards" has gotta
be the worst reason for holding an event I have ever heard in my life.  The
awards can't be all we're here for... surely some folks have got to be doing
cool stuff in the SCA because they think it's neat, or fun, etc.  Awards are
the cherry set atop the ice cream and hot fudge on the sundae... nice, but
not, after all, what you paid $3 for at the Dairy Queen.

On a related but slightly tangent topic, one thing that just kind of took me
by surprise the other day was hearing that some people got offended if they
didn't get their awards in evening court because they felt that somehow they
had been given less of an honor.  By my lights, an award given to me doesn't
mean that I have had an Honor!! bestowed upon me by the Crown (though that
is part of it).  Rather, the Big Deal of an award is that friends,
colleages, and other people doing some of the same stuff I do in the SCA
thought I was doing something neat enough for recognition.  The Crown may or
may not really know every person to whom They grant an award... but the
Crown does know that the person being given the award has in some way
impressed the people who recommended the recipient for that award.

I personally enjoy it when the Crown convenes court on the listfield, or at
the archery range, or on the dancefloor, and grants an award to a person
witnessed by the members of that person's SCA community... We may each live
in a given barony or shire or canton, but each of has one or more
"communities" with whom we play, be it chivalric combat, A&S, archery,
equestrian, rapier, the kitchen crew, etc. and I feel it is very special to
get an award in some of these "communities" with the folks we play with in
these venues witnessing, at least or even more special than it is to get one
in one's local SCA group's big evening court.

Over last weekend, I heard the opinion voiced that compared to some other
kingdoms, Ansteorra gives out "too many" awards and that consequently
they're not as highly valued here as they might be elsewhere.  That was a
very different belief than one I'd ever encountered, but it was one that
made me think.  I do have to giggle when I envision the chaos and riot that
would ensue if it were suddenly announced that half of the awards currently
given in Ansteorra were to be permanently retired and that the remaining
ones would be given out half as often than before...  but certainly it would
make courts shorter, and you wouldn't have to worry about no awards being
given at noncalendar events, lol!

::GUNNVOR::

Insomnia.  *sigh* It leads to waxing elephants.




From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 19 22:44:56 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:44:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1061358296.3f430ad8a1c96@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Apologies for that last post.

Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current month, 
which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>

As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella, Pennsic, etc 
as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals (like 
Gulf War)

For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :

(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know there were 
some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers down.  The 
Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)

83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events per 
weekend.
If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events over 43 
weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.

Breakdown by number of events per weekend :

5 weekends - no events
19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
21 weekends - 2 events
6 weekends - 3 events
1 weekend - 4 events

I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the Blackstars I 
have readily available, if needed<G>

We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.

Ansgar
(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)


Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:

> Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
> 
> While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
> that
> all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
> scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
> scheduled
> events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
> events
> are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
> next
> twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
> 
> Margaret
> 
> ****************************************
> Countess Margaret ny Connor
> Barony of the Steppes
> Kingdom of Ansteorra
> ****************************************
> 
> "And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink
> as
> friends."  W. Shakespeare.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
> 
> <snip>
> 
> My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the
> sky
> is falling in!"
> 
> <much, much snippage>
> 
> ::GUNNVOR::
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
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> 
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From Reihla at aol.com  Tue Aug 19 23:15:41 2003
From: Reihla at aol.com (Reihla at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:15:41 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits? - Sidebar Question
Message-ID: <104.34a2d56d.2c746c0d@aol.com>

> why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
> only two?
> Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?

I have to say that, for the most part, the idea of a barony hosting a local 
event to raise money is a myth.  I don't know about other groups, but 
Wiesenfeuer typically breaks even or makes a few hundred on local events.  Our coffers 
are healthy, yes, but that's really mostly from *years* of making a few 
hundred dollars on one event per year.  Our events are usually very well attended 
(we average @250-300 at baronial and @150 for our Yule event).  Our baronial 
event usually makes just enough to cover our expenses, plus pay for site (which 
charges us per person) and any consumables that are needed for the event.  When 
we found ourselves actually making money on the event we spent more money to 
make things more comfortable for folks (renting the pool, investing in misting 
systems, etc.).  Our December event makes a little money, but we find it is 
better to drop the site fee because it allows more people to attend.    

That's not to say that I think making money is a bad thing.  We've got 
ongoing expenses like meeting space, upkeep on storage, upgrading and repairing 
baronial property, new regalia, prizes, etc. that cost.  Nice that we can raise a 
little money to cover those things.

I've played in both a moderately sized barony and a small shire (well, it was 
small when *I* was there).  My experience leads me to believe that baronies 
were given one more event per year because of their larger populaces (one more 
court to allow recognition for the extra people).  I wasn't there when the 
decision was made, though, so that's just a guess.  Besides, baronies worked hard 
to attain that status.  I don't think I'd be alone to suggest that perhaps 
they might have earned a few extras for their effort (nobles to represent them 
to the Crown, an extra date on the calendar, etc.).  If shires want the perks 
they can do the work it takes to grow and petition for elevation in status.

It's worth noting that Wiesenfeuer already dropped it's third event last year 
for a couple of reasons:  one, we wanted to bid for Kingdom events and 
couldn't seem to scrape up the enthusiasm or the staff and, two, we were running 
into burn-out from our core working members and, three, we had a new canton that 
wanted to sponsor an event and we preferred to focus our energies on helping 
them.    

Kat  >^.,.^<




From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 23:39:52 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:39:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>
References: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F4317B8.2080700@earthlink.net>

PKieferjr at aol.com wrote:

> Take a look at the number of groups overall. Unless I'm in error, that's 41 
> total.  Is this an unusually high number for any kingdom?  Did other kingdoms 
> run into this "overpopulation" problem?  It reminds me a lot of the fact that 
> our planet is home to 6 billion people, and that affects practically 
> everything.  This appears to be one of those effects:  A metric buttload of SCA'ers (a 
> Good Thing (TM), but a logistical nightmare).  How many kingdoms are there now? 
>  I think I've lost track, but you get the idea.  The Kingdom itself may have 
> grown too big to be handled in a official monarchial capacity as one undivided 
> unit.

There are currently 17 kingdoms.  According to each kingdom's web page 
(which may not be up-to-date, but should be close enough for your 
question), they have the following groups.

As for number of events, the standard seems to be 1-3 events per 
weekend; An Tir has the most, with 7 events scheduled for this coming 
weekend.


An Tir
Principality of Avacal
	3 baronies, 4 cantons, 6 shires
Principality of the Summits
	2 baronies, 1 canton, 8 shires
Principality of Tir Righ
	2 baronies, 16 shires, 1 port, 1 college
Central An Tir (not in a principality)
	8 baronies, 4 cantons, 12 shires, 4 colleges


Ansteorra
Central Region
	2 baronies, 4 cantons, 2 shires, 1 college
Coastal Region
	3 baronies, 2 cantons, 4 shires, 1 college
Northern Region
	4 baronies, 2 cantons, 3 shires
Southern Region
	3 baronies, 1 canton, 5 shires
Western Region
	1 barony, 5 shires


Artemisia
4 baronies, 14 shires, 1 college


Atenveldt
6 baronies, 8 shires, 1 march, 3 colleges


Atlantia
16 baronies, 20 cantons, 10 shires, 2 colleges, 1 stronghold


AEthelmearc
Region 1
	1 barony, 3 shires
Region 2
	1 barony, 1 canton, 4 shires, 1 college
Region 3
	2 baronies, 1 canton, 2 shires
Region 4
	2 baronies, 2 cantons, 2 shires
Region 5
	1 barony, 3 shires, 1 dominion, 1 stronghold


Caid
11 baronies, 13 cantons, 6 shires, 7 colleges, 1 pagus


Calontir
6 baronies, 4 cantons, 20 shires, 3 colleges, 1 stronghold


Drachenwald
web site didn't respond


Ealdomere
5 baronies, 14 cantons, 5 shires, 1 college, 1 stronghold


East
Northern Shores Region
	2 baronies, 8 cantons, 4 shires, 1 port
Northern Region
	1 barony, 8 shires, 1 province
Central Region
	6 baronies, 10 cantons, 6 shires
Southern Region
	4 baronies, 9 cantons, 11 shires, 1 crown province, 1 bailiwick


Lochac
10 baronies, 8 cantons, 8 shires, 9 colleges


Middle
(As an aside, the Middle's Seneschal has *20* deputies!)
Region of Constellation
	3 baronies, 11 shires
Region of Midlands
	4 baronies, 10 shires, 1 college, 1 province
Principality of Northshield (has 3 regions)
	5 baronies, 2 cantons, 22 shires, 3 colleges
Region of Oaken
	6 baronies, 10 cantons, 14 shires, 3 colleges
Region of Pentamere
	4 baronies, 9 cantons, 9 shires, 1 riding
	

Meridies
9 baronies, 2 cantons, 49 shires, 1 college


Outlands
4 baronies, 2 cantons, 16 shires, 7 colleges


Trimaris
3 baronies, 2 cantons, 18 shires, 1 college, 1 stronghold


West
Principality of the Mists
	2 baronies, 4 cantons, 7 shires, 2 collges, 1 province
Principality of Cynagua
	2 baronies, 14 shires, 1 college, 1 province
Principality of Oertha
	3 baronies, 1 canton, 1 college
The Marches (not in a principality)
	2 baronies, 2 palatine baronies, 2 cantons, 2 shires, 1 college, 3 
strongholds, 1 vale



--Perronnelle

-- 
Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.  -- Steven Wright



From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 19 23:41:17 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:41:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3F43180D.6010807@earthlink.net>

Lisa A. May wrote:

> While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out that
> all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
> scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of scheduled
> events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming events
> are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the next
> twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .

If anyone want so to run the numbers, here's the raw data:

01/05/02	ce	Steppes	Twelfth Night
01/05/02	co	Westgate	Winter Collegium
01/12/02	w	Crossrode Keep	Coronation
01/19/02	w	Bonwicke	Twelfth Night
01/19/02	ce	Emerald Keep	Academy of the Rapier
01/19/02	n	Northkeep	Winterkingdom
01/19/02	co	Seawinds	Siege of the Abbey
01/26/02	s	Middleford	Ice Axe
01/26/02	ce	Steppes	Queens
02/02/02	w	Adlersruhe	Bards & Arts
02/02/02	s	Bryn Gwlad	Candlemas
02/09/02	ce	Elfsea	Baronial College
02/09/02	co	Gates Edge	Pestilence Ball
02/16/02	co	La Marche S	Black Stag
02/16/02	ce	Lindenwood	Border Wars
02/23/02	s	Bjornsborg	Ransom Tourney
02/23/02	n	Wiesenfeuer	Mead Bee War
03/02/02	ce	Three Bridges	Kings Round Table
03/23/02	w	Bonwicke	Crown
03/30/02	ce	Emerald Keep	Tournament of Emeralds
04/06/02	ce	Elfsea	Spring Faire
04/06/02	co	Greywood	Guardian o/t Gauntlet
04/13/02	co	Gates Edge	Academy of the Bow
04/13/02	s	Tempio	Hero of the Temple
04/20/02	co	Bordermarch	Baronial
04/20/02	s	Ffynnon Gath	Highland Games
04/27/02	w	Bonwicke	Champions de la Croix
04/27/02	s	Ravens Fort	A Day at the Court
04/27/02	n	Wastelands	Wasteland Games
05/04/02	n	Brad Leah	Conquest
05/04/02	co	Stargate	Squires & Cadets
05/11/02	w	Mendersham	Defender
05/11/02	n	Namron	Beltane Games
05/18/02	n	Eldern Hills	Eldern
05/18/02	co	Loch Soilleir	Loch Guardian
05/25/02	ce	Steppes	Warlord
06/01/02	n	Northkeep	Castellan
06/01/02	co	Stone Bridge	Golden Arrow
06/08/02	w	Adlersruhe	Passe de Armes
06/08/02	ce	Rosenfeld	Defender
06/15/02	w	Crossrode Keep	Sundered Shield
06/15/02	ce	Lindenwood	Midsummer Masque
06/22/02	n	Namron	Kings College
06/29/02	ce	Dragonsfire T	Guardian of the Tor
06/29/02	co	Gates Edge	Midsummer Faire
07/06/02	n	Mooneschadowe	Heraldic Scribal Symp
07/13/02	s	Middleford	Coronation
07/20/02	ce	Rosenfeld	Kings Round Table
07/27/02	co	Greywood	Queens
08/03/02	s	Shadowlands	Anniversary
08/10/02	ce	Loch Ruadh	Lughnasad
08/24/02	ce	Steppes	Artisan
08/31/02	w	Trelac	Gothic Wars
08/31/02	n	Wiesenfeuer	Baronial
09/07/02	co	Greywood	Battle of the Pines
09/07/02	n	Mooneschadowe	Guardian
09/14/02	s	Middleford	Warchief/Cav o/t Brid
09/14/02	co	Stargate	Baronial
09/21/02	ce	Glaslyn	Defender
09/21/02	s	Ravens Fort	Defender
09/28/02	ce	Elfsea	Defender
09/28/02	n	Wastelands	Defender
10/05/02	co	Greywood	Laurel Prize Tourney
10/12/02	s	Bryn Gwlad	Fall Event / Baronial
10/12/02	n	Namron	Protectorate
10/19/02	s	Bjornsborg	Tournament of Heroes
10/19/02	w	Blacklake	Sentinel
10/26/02	n	Eldern Hills	Samhain
10/26/02	s	Tempio	Tourney o/t 5 Pillars
11/02/02	co	Stargate	Crown
11/09/02	ce	Rosenfeld	Three Kings
11/09/02	w	Trelac	Melee & Mayhem
11/16/02	co	Bordermarch	Melees
11/16/02	n	Rundel	Margrave/Vormund
11/23/02	ce	Emerald Keep	Hunters Moon
11/23/02	co	Gates Edge	Cour de l'Armour
12/07/02	s	Bjornsborg	?
12/07/02	s	Bryn Gwlad	Yule Revel
12/07/02	co	Loch Soilleir	Yule Revel
12/07/02	co	Seawinds	Defender
12/07/02	n	Wiesenfeuer	Yule Revel
12/14/02	ce	Dragonsfire T	Yule Revel
12/14/02	co	Stargate	Yule Revel
12/28/02	co	La Marche S	Golden Hart


--Perronnelle

-- 
Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.  -- Steven Wright



From gudze at pagancow.org  Wed Aug 20 00:08:37 2003
From: gudze at pagancow.org (Gudze O'Domhnaill)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:08:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events
References: <NCBBLEOAAGIFFMLGMFEEMEGHDEAA.gunnora@vikinganswerlady.com>
Message-ID: <02cf01c366ea$57a027c0$420496ac@genji>

I had not heard that Ansteorran awards were sometimes viewed as less
meaningful because of their frequency, but this does not terribly surprise
me.

I am not one to judge the merits of all persons receiving an award,
armigerous or otherwise... But I would certainly concur that awards given
with less frequency tend to be more highly-valued.

As a bearer of no awards, I can say that I would be much more excited to
earn an award that isn't frequently awarded than on that is given to
everyone who meets a certain requirement of exceptional service. (Again, I'm
not saying that's how it is now, just making an example.) For example, I
would love to be the Employee of the Month, but I'd love even more to be
Employee of the Year. I'd be happy with the former, but truly excited about
the latter.

It is my humble opinion that nonarmigerous awards should make up the vast
majority of those awarded. Additionally, I might set a soft approximation of
how many of a certain award I wish to present at a given event or in a given
month/year ("soft" because I wouldn't exclude someone who was deserving
simply because I hit that number). That would help maintain the relative
value of, and prestige associated with, a given award.

Humble Regards,
Gudze O'Domhnaill

P.S. I will be weighing in on the event number issue, after I catch up on
reading everyone else's replies. :)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C. L. Ward" <gunnora at vikinganswerlady.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 00:39
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events


> > Um.. HELLO I did say local awards that carry
> > an AoA did I not?  The  comet,thistle and AoA
> > are KINDGOM awards. I was talking about local
> > awards that carry AoA's. ie The Firebrand of
> >Bjornsborg. Local baronal award carrys and Aoa.
> > Pieter
>
> Pieter, not all local awards carry AoAs.  The Bjornsborg Firebrands, at
> least when they started, did not, although the Ursae Majoris and later the
> Ursae Australis did. A barony can have as many (or as few) nonarmigerous
> awards as they want.
>
> And, as for what you do about local awards you'd like to give at these
> non-calendar events, is the Crown can read 'em into law at any Crown
court -
> for which one does not have to have the whole kingdom present.  I'd think
> that the Crown could summon a few witnesses into Their camp a little ahead
> of Group X's noncalendar event, open Their Court, read the scrolls into
law,
> Close Court, and send the awards via messenger (or FedEx, etc.) to Group X
> to be duly presented with much publich hoorah and rejoicing at the
> non-calendar event.
>
> But, honest-to-goshen, "having an event so we can give out awards" has
gotta
> be the worst reason for holding an event I have ever heard in my life.
The
> awards can't be all we're here for... surely some folks have got to be
doing
> cool stuff in the SCA because they think it's neat, or fun, etc.  Awards
are
> the cherry set atop the ice cream and hot fudge on the sundae... nice, but
> not, after all, what you paid $3 for at the Dairy Queen.
>
> On a related but slightly tangent topic, one thing that just kind of took
me
> by surprise the other day was hearing that some people got offended if
they
> didn't get their awards in evening court because they felt that somehow
they
> had been given less of an honor.  By my lights, an award given to me
doesn't
> mean that I have had an Honor!! bestowed upon me by the Crown (though that
> is part of it).  Rather, the Big Deal of an award is that friends,
> colleages, and other people doing some of the same stuff I do in the SCA
> thought I was doing something neat enough for recognition.  The Crown may
or
> may not really know every person to whom They grant an award... but the
> Crown does know that the person being given the award has in some way
> impressed the people who recommended the recipient for that award.
>
> I personally enjoy it when the Crown convenes court on the listfield, or
at
> the archery range, or on the dancefloor, and grants an award to a person
> witnessed by the members of that person's SCA community... We may each
live
> in a given barony or shire or canton, but each of has one or more
> "communities" with whom we play, be it chivalric combat, A&S, archery,
> equestrian, rapier, the kitchen crew, etc. and I feel it is very special
to
> get an award in some of these "communities" with the folks we play with in
> these venues witnessing, at least or even more special than it is to get
one
> in one's local SCA group's big evening court.
>
> Over last weekend, I heard the opinion voiced that compared to some other
> kingdoms, Ansteorra gives out "too many" awards and that consequently
> they're not as highly valued here as they might be elsewhere.  That was a
> very different belief than one I'd ever encountered, but it was one that
> made me think.  I do have to giggle when I envision the chaos and riot
that
> would ensue if it were suddenly announced that half of the awards
currently
> given in Ansteorra were to be permanently retired and that the remaining
> ones would be given out half as often than before...  but certainly it
would
> make courts shorter, and you wouldn't have to worry about no awards being
> given at noncalendar events, lol!
>
> ::GUNNVOR::
>
> Insomnia.  *sigh* It leads to waxing elephants.
>
>
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From gudze at pagancow.org  Wed Aug 20 00:39:36 2003
From: gudze at pagancow.org (Gudze O'Domhnaill)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <172.1eb2adef.2c743a11@aol.com> <3F4317B8.2080700@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <02e701c366ee$bef6c9c0$420496ac@genji>

As promised, I'm weighing in. Okay, so I'm a lightweight, but I'm one who
can type. :)

On the topic of Barony vs. Shire (et al):

I agree with the new proposed numbers of Calendar events per year.As someone
said, Baronies worked hard to become such, and typically have more people
than the shires, cantons, etc. Instead of using this proposal to further
divide our weekends, we (the people of Ansteorra) should band together to
make the events that ARE held that much more spectacular, as someone said.

On the topic of Money:

This is a waste of a topic. Yes, money is an unavoidable concern for
thriving organizations. However, to make this a prime argument against the
event limits counters the reason we have events (as someone said). In my
humble opinion, the events that should be listed are the ones that come with
a lot of hoo-hah; events that would make people want to travel cross-kingdom
just to be there. Start holding events like that that, and the money will
take care of itself (as long as someone keeps an eye on it).

On the topic of Barony-Shire Cooperation:

I can see no reason why a barony couldn't hold an event with participation
from the neighboring shires and cantons one weekend, and for a shire to do
the same with the support of a barony on another weekend. There is no need
to compete with your neighbors for weekends and money. With some good
planning and cooperation, this problem will work itself out.

On the topic of Splitting the Kingdom:

I would certainly hate to see Ansteorra split, especially since Ansteorra
has a long history and a lot of people in every corner that wouldn't want to
live anywhere else. However, I can see this as an opportunity as well. It
could be an opportunity for unprecedented inter-kingdom relations. I don't
know how often kingdoms split, but I'd think it would make for a great
chance for two siter kingdoms to possibly accomplish what one couldn't alone
(not referring to anything specific, just trying to whet some imaginations).

On the topic of Information Dissemination:

It is my opinion that each region (to include as least one barony or other
group having landed nobles that are "in the loop") should hold meetings.
Representatives from each group would attend, and anything that happens on
the BOD or Kingdom level that isn't advertised very much would be told to
them. This would also be a great time to plan inter-group events. :)

On the topic of Viruses (or virii, if you prefer):

They stink.

Okay, I need some caffeine. Anyone who disagrees, please do comment to the
list or to me privately. I'm happy to discuss and defend (and, if necessary,
change my mind about) anything I've said. However, I have a feeling that
this post is basically a summary of the topics presented already, with a
little of my own flavor. Thank you all who read this far!

Humble Regards,
Gudze O'Domhnaill




From cnetterville at ih2000.net  Wed Aug 20 04:26:39 2003
From: cnetterville at ih2000.net (charles netterville)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:26:39 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Symantec Security Response - W32.Sobig.F@mm
Message-ID: <000901c3670d$febada00$7e6222d1@g1w3z6>

I'm not sure who it is, but I've been sent this virus sixty or more times this morning alone. Please take a moment to run a scan on your computer to see if you are infected. If so, this link contains a patch. Thanks, Chuck

 http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.f at mm.html

From PKieferjr at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 05:46:05 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:46:05 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
Message-ID: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2003 12:47:41 AM Central Daylight Time, 
j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:
We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
I think it's safe to say that Estrella, Gulf and Pennsic are significant 
enough to be included (I hadn't even heard about those other two mentioned; 
definitely a first for me).

Lord Johann (Paul)


From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Wed Aug 20 06:13:34 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:13:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com>
References: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1061385214.3f4373fef15eb@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Disclaimer : The numbers I provided were meant for a quick reference so they 
aren't 100% accurate.  However, I can state that the numbers and percentages 
won't change very much even if one were to be more meticulous.

Gulf War was included, the rest were not.  Again, I dealt with events that were 
strictly Ansteorran or that Ansteorra was a principal (such as Gulf War).

As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how many 
Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious and, while it 
does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic, I'd suggest any 
responses have the thread renamed to something like "Estrella attendance" 
or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in knowing what the numbers are like.
Feel free to post to me privately.

Ansgar

Quoting PKieferjr at aol.com:

> In a message dated 8/20/2003 12:47:41 AM Central Daylight Time, 
> j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:
> We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to
> how 
> many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for
> our 
> purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
> I think it's safe to say that Estrella, Gulf and Pennsic are significant
> 
> enough to be included (I hadn't even heard about those other two
> mentioned; 
> definitely a first for me).
> 
> Lord Johann (Paul)
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From rixende at mail2noble.com  Wed Aug 20 06:24:52 2003
From: rixende at mail2noble.com (Jhan Knebel)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 06:24:52 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <1df4d01c3671e$702fda90$0a0b010a@mail2world.com>

This year, Diamond Wars is opposite Elfsea Defender (as it has been in
many years past) on the last weekend in September.

Rixende

<-----Original Message-----> 
From: IagoAH at aol.com
Sent: 8/19/2003 11:14:59 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?

In a message dated 8/19/03 9:42:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
gilli at hot.rr.com 
writes:


> Diamond Wars???
> 
> Where and when is that??
> 
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.

September or October, I think, in Arkansas.

Iago
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From DAFPIG at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 06:56:27 2003
From: DAFPIG at aol.com (DAFPIG at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:56:27 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Combat Archery on a lighter note
Message-ID: <178.1ef99644.2c74d80b@aol.com>

Greeting all, 

I wrote the below piece about 5 years ago, It seems to be the perfect time
to resurrect it ( with a few minor changes) as the melee season is about to 
begin.  Ansteorra needs
more combat archers,,,come on out and have a good time:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

Well, its that time of the year again. The weather is starting to cool 
down(maybe) and the roars and grunts of the fighters can be hear echoing 
through the wood and fields. Once again it is archery season. I have put 
together a few tips for those of you hunting these extordinary creatures for 
the first time. 

1. Baiting: the use of an object/s to encourage your prey to come to you. 

A. Heavy Fighters: The best bait for these massive animals is the use 
of decoys. They cannot seem to resist the clashing and banging around of 
thier own kind. When they see other fighters fighting, they tend to rush 
headlong to join them. If you don't have access to such decoys, try spreading 

some bright shiny objects around such as stainless steel gaunlets or a shiny 
helm, using long peices as ratten is also effective. Heavy fighters are 
drawn to such things as these. 

B. Light fighters: Oh, the rare and elusive light fighter, We usually 
don't hunt these graceful creatures because of thier rarity. They don't seem 
drawn to the noise of others fighting. So I have found that to effectively 
bait them into range, one must use other objects to entice them. The use of 
a few yards of expensive trim or lace seems to work, What always does the job 

though, is the sight of very sharp, fancy clothing. This approach has never 
failed me yet. 

2. Choosing your hunting Terrain: have a working knowledge of the terrain you 

will be hunting in. 

A. Open field: The open fields are the most common area to find both 
heavy and light game. This is the area they perfer to engage in their ritual 
combat. Because of the lack of ready cover, an archer must stay alert and on 
thier toes at all times. Being spotted by one of these fierce creatures can 
be dangerous. 

B. Bridges: For some unkown reason, Heavy fighters tend to gather at 
bridges. They strive to reach the other side, push and fighting thier way 
through. Ironically, it doesn't seem to matter which side they start from, as 

long as they end up on the opposite bank. It is here that we archers revel in 

the ease of the kill. Often it is too easy to bag your limit and only the 
fact 
that your quiver is empty do you stop. 

3. Types of archery equipment: What tips to use, and when. 

A. There are ,of course, a multitude of tips avaliable this season, the 
Markland, Thistle and several types of Baldar blunts. We won't be discussing 
the 
disgusting golf tube thingys. Remember, Heavy fighters are encased in an 
armor-like skin. The thickness of this pelt varies with each individual. I 
usually start with a fine Markland tip or perhaps a baldar blunt for average 
game. I switch to my Thistle tips ,at close range, when I encounter thicker 
pelted fighters. Often these massive animals are unable to feel that they are 

dying, stuck on the end of a wonderful shot. It is during these times, One 
should verbally remind them of this fact. Often a POLITE verbal reminder will 
do the 
job. 

B. +++ Special note for the lighter game. Use only the foam covered 
Marklands to hunt this prey. These animals tend to be VERY thin pelted and 
are usually easily damaged. 

4. Safety tips: when to run like heck. 

A. A combat archer must ALWAYS be on thier toes and aware of what is 
going on. For some reason, most of the massive heavy prey hate archers on 
site and will go to extreme measures to kill us. Upon sighting archery 
equipment, Heavy fighters tend to foam and fleck at the mouth, in a desperate 

attempt to stop us. So be aware. One way to avoid such encounters when being 
chased by these lumbering mammonths, is to run directly into another group of 

heavies. This tends to confuse the pursuing fighter and they usually stop to 
fight with the heavies you are hiding among. If you are caught out in the 
open with no means of escape, Fall to the ground or your knees yelling "I 
YEILD". This has 2 effects on these animals. 1st, they stop their headlong 
charge on you and 2nd, instead of whompen you, they tend to just tap you. I 
don't know if they are confused by the yelling or the falling to the ground. 

Well, These are all the tips I have for now. The season is opening for a 
majority of us next weekend at Gothic Wars. Come on out if you can and go 
hunting with us. 

Countess Octavia 




From gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu  Wed Aug 20 06:56:18 2003
From: gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Gail Taylor)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:56:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
References: <MJEKJEPCBOEDKMPMCOOPAEKMCIAA.maaggie3@comcast.net>
	<1061358296.3f430ad8a1c96@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <3F437E02.9060308@lonestar.utsa.edu>

Are we including Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving as viable potential 
event weekends?  

IGH

j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

>Apologies for that last post.
>
>Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current month, 
>which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>
>
>As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella, Pennsic, etc 
>as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals (like 
>Gulf War)
>
>For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :
>
>(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know there were 
>some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers down.  The 
>Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)
>
>83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
>47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events per 
>weekend.
>If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events over 43 
>weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.
>
>Breakdown by number of events per weekend :
>
>5 weekends - no events
>19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
>21 weekends - 2 events
>6 weekends - 3 events
>1 weekend - 4 events
>
>I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the Blackstars I 
>have readily available, if needed<G>
>
>We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
>many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
>purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
>
>Ansgar
>(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)
>
>
>Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:
>
>  
>
>>Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
>>
>>While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
>>that
>>all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
>>scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months of
>>scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
>>scheduled
>>events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
>>events
>>are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
>>next
>>twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
>>
>>Margaret
>>
>>****************************************
>>Countess Margaret ny Connor
>>Barony of the Steppes
>>Kingdom of Ansteorra
>>****************************************
>>
>>"And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and drink
>>as
>>friends."  W. Shakespeare.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
>>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
>>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>>Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little, the
>>sky
>>is falling in!"
>>
>><much, much snippage>
>>
>>::GUNNVOR::
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 07:06:06 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:06:06 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000a01c366c7$7c1853c0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
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On 19 Aug 2003 at 22:02, Bob Dewart wrote:

> Thing is, folks WANT to be ANSTEORRAN.  Go figure.  :)
> 
> Gilli


How about the Principality of North Ansteorra and the Principality of South Ansteorra? 
We already  have a precedent with many of the states of the US. (Dakotas, Carolinas)


Giggle, Not serious.

Claire 


From morgancain at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 07:15:37 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:15:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Local Awards and Non Calendar Events
Message-ID: <003301c36725$921b0100$eeeff5d1@homeseries>

Gunnora said:

> But, honest-to-goshen, "having an event so we can give out awards"
> has gotta be the worst reason for holding an event I have ever heard
> in my life.  The awards can't be all we're here for... surely some folks
> have got to be doing cool stuff in the SCA because they think it's neat,
> or fun, etc.  Awards are the cherry set atop the ice cream and hot
> fudge on the sundae... nice, but not, after all, what you paid $3 for
> at the Dairy Queen.

I have to agree (especially as I prefer the cherry-dip myself <g>).  I got my first award in A.S. XXII or something like that (it was a long time ago, and I've slept since then), and if I wore all the medallions I've received since then I'd just clank.  They'd get in the way when I try to do things, so most reside in a pretty little box at home that if I am thinking about it, perhaps once in every couple years or so I actually remember to take to an event so I might wear them for sitting around in court if I think about it.  In my case, the awards *do* get in the way of fun, at least in a fairly literal physical sense.

I think it may depend upon when you started, and where, and who was around you at the time.  If they make a big hairy deal about awards, then it's all you can think about.  If they focus on Having Fun And Doing Shtuff, then you focus on that too.  I ended up in a group that had the latter attitude, and I guess it has affected my outlook.  I remember the group to the north of us (it was in a different kingdom far away from here) was very award-hungry and sometimes they would look down on us for not having slews of awards and big courts at our events.  We thought their focus was wrong, because they always thought about activities and events only in terms of what they could do towards getting awards, not in terms of how they could have fun and make fun for other people.

It did make our events easier, because we had an unwritten agreement that they got all the Royalty and courts, with a few minor exceptions every once in a couple years or so.  We cheerfully dragged people to their events to get awards if needed.  That way, our events could have a lot more fighting and dancing and entertainment, which we enjoyed more.  They got all the pomp and royal sucking-up they enjoyed.  Think of that as an alternative to having on-calendar, award-giving events - what fits your group's personality?  Can you work out something with a nearby group that likes having court?

> Over last weekend, I heard the opinion voiced that compared
> to some other kingdoms, Ansteorra gives out "too many" awards
> and that consequently they're not as highly valued here as they
> might be elsewhere.

It was interesting to see the comment.  Did they mean that Ansteorra has more awards than other Kingdoms, or that they are given out with less provocation?  There's a big difference.  I've seen awards created to recognize things that don't fit into any other category, which can then give encouragement to the persons doing that art/skill, as well as those who might come into it later.  This is not necessarily a bad thing, especially as the Society grows and we add activities that twenty or thirty years ago were not done.

I have to admit, one of the hardest awards I've gotten was given for an art I wasn't practicing.  As a result, I've felt forced to do the art, and teach other people to do it, when I'm not really interested in that.  It's been a learning experience, but it's also an unpleasant weight.  This made me feel the other way, that awards are given with too little justification.  It's uncomfortable to have to earn an award after it is given.

My tuppence,

                                        ---= Morgan Cain  *

* the little one from Steppes

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
" There is no key to happiness. The door is always open. "  (Unknown)
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)

From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Wed Aug 20 07:26:55 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:26:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <3F437E02.9060308@lonestar.utsa.edu>
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	<1061358296.3f430ad8a1c96@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
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In most cases, there aren't any events Christmas weekend.  It's about a 50/50 
shot, from what I can tell as to having an event scheduled Thanksgiving 
weekend.  There is almost always an event on Easter weekend.

I'll try to list the weekends that I didn't find events for last year and the 
current year.  I've got all the data at home.

Ansgar

Quoting Gail Taylor <gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>:

> Are we including Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving as viable potential 
> event weekends?  
> 
> IGH
> 
> j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:
> 
> >Apologies for that last post.
> >
> >Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current
> month, 
> >which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>
> >
> >As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella,
> Pennsic, etc 
> >as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals
> (like 
> >Gulf War)
> >
> >For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :
> >
> >(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know
> there were 
> >some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers
> down.  The 
> >Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)
> >
> >83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
> >47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events
> per 
> >weekend.
> >If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events
> over 43 
> >weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.
> >
> >Breakdown by number of events per weekend :
> >
> >5 weekends - no events
> >19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
> >21 weekends - 2 events
> >6 weekends - 3 events
> >1 weekend - 4 events
> >
> >I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the
> Blackstars I 
> >have readily available, if needed<G>
> >
> >We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as
> to how 
> >many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for
> our 
> >purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
> >
> >Ansgar
> >(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)
> >
> >
> >Quoting "Lisa A. May" <maaggie3 at comcast.net>:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Egads but I love it when Gunnvor posts!
> >>
> >>While mostly neutral on the subject at hand, I did want to point out
> >>that
> >>all the numbers people are throwing around about how many events are
> >>scheduled per weekend seem to be based on the *next* twelve months
> of
> >>scheduled events.  How about checking the *prior* twelve months of
> >>scheduled
> >>events?  The reason I point this out is that many groups' upcoming
> >>events
> >>are not yet posted to the Kingdom calendar, so the numbers for the
> >>next
> >>twelve months are not truly representative.  Just a thought . . .
> >>
> >>Margaret
> >>
> >>****************************************
> >>Countess Margaret ny Connor
> >>Barony of the Steppes
> >>Kingdom of Ansteorra
> >>****************************************
> >>
> >>"And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily, then eat and
> drink
> >>as
> >>friends."  W. Shakespeare.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
> >>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of C. L. Ward
> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:34 PM
> >>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >>Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
> >>
> >><snip>
> >>
> >>My reply to all of those posts is, "Chicken Little! Chicken Little,
> the
> >>sky
> >>is falling in!"
> >>
> >><much, much snippage>
> >>
> >>::GUNNVOR::
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Ansteorra mailing list
> >>Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >>http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> >>
> >>
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> >>    
> >>
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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 07:30:23 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:30:23 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
In-Reply-To: <1061385214.3f4373fef15eb@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
References: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com>
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On 20 Aug 2003 at 8:13, j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

> As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how
> many Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious
> and, while it does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic,
> I'd suggest any responses have the thread renamed to something like
> "Estrella attendance" or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in
> knowing what the numbers are like. Feel free to post to me privately.
> 
> Ansgar
> 
I am not sure the simple quantity of Ansteorrans in attendance is all there is to consider. 
We often have agreements, formal or otherwise with allies in these other kingdoms. 
That often means at least that our Royalty will be in attendance, meaning that while they 
are out of kingdom we cannot hold any royal court events, unless we have Heirs still at 
home. 

So it impacts us. I would like to see events like Estrella War and others listed on the 
Kingdom Calendar and noted as such as a Convenience not as a Kingdom Scheduled 
event just to assist my planning. 

I may want to hold an event during Pennsic but I also want to be sure I am not counting 
on the Crown to attend. I can't always remember those dates in relation to our calendar. 


Claire 


From PKieferjr at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 07:47:13 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:47:13 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
Message-ID: <36.465f8fe8.2c74e3f1@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2003 9:03:28 AM Central Daylight Time, 
gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu writes:
Are we including Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving as viable potential 
event weekends?  

IGH

j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

>Apologies for that last post.
>
>Yes, the numbers were for the 12 month period starting with the current 
month, 
>which is why I used the term "currently" scheduled throughout.<G>
>
>As to some of the other questions, no, I didn't include Estrella, Pennsic, 
etc 
>as they are not Ansteorran events or events in which we are principals (like 
>Gulf War)
>
>For the past 12 months the numbers break down like so :
>
>(Note : I got these numbers from a handful of Blackstars and I know there 
were 
>some of the events that were cancelled which would bring the numbers down.  
The 
>Kingdom Calendar deputy would probably have more exact figures.)
>
>83 events over 52 weeks or 1.60 events per weekend.
>47 weekends that actually have events (5 had no events) or 1.77 events per 
>weekend.
>If we factor out Crown Tourneys and Coronations, then we have 79 events over 
43 
>weekends or 1.89 events per weekend.
>
>Breakdown by number of events per weekend :
>
>5 weekends - no events
>19 weekends - 1 event (includes Crown Tourneys and Coronations)
>21 weekends - 2 events
>6 weekends - 3 events
>1 weekend - 4 events
>
>I can probably dig up numbers for the past 5 to 10 years with the Blackstars 
I 
>have readily available, if needed<G>
>
>We could factor in various out of kingdom events if we could agree as to how 
>many Ansteorrans would have to attend them for it to be significant for our 
>purposes and then be able to establish how many actually attended.
>
>Ansgar
>(Who obviously can't get to sleep tonight<G>)



Wouldn't count on having any events Christmas, Thanksgiving or New Year's

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)


From swhite at Pegasus-International.com  Wed Aug 20 07:55:45 2003
From: swhite at Pegasus-International.com (Sandra White)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:55:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] event limits - sampling technique
Message-ID: <251FC9010DCAD711B86F00A0C9E92C3F0AD7FE@10mail.deltacom.net>

>From a technical standpoint, I would like to point out a couple of flaws in
this math.
 
1)    The on-line calendar is unofficial.
2)    Many events won't go onto the calendar a year in advance.
 
I propose instead that we look at the last year's worth of Black Stars on a
month by month basis. I think we'll find very different results.
 
Kind Regards,
 
Clara von Ulm
(Who has run into the "unable to get an event date" syndrome, as a member of
a Barony.)
 
P.S. As I have been rapidly reading the many, many messages since this post,
I see that Countess Margaret brought this up as well.
 
 
Ansgar wrote:
> If we exclude the weekends that have no events at all scheduled
(Christmas,
> Gulf War, etc.), we have 44 weekends with events scheduled.  That 
> brings
the
> number up to 1.6 events per weekend.  (Still doesn't seem too crowded)
>
> The breakdown is :
>
> 25 weekends with only 1 event
> 14 weekends with 2 events
> 4 weekends with 3 events
> 1 weekend with 4 events scheduled.
>
 
 


From karolus at gte.net  Wed Aug 20 10:02:14 2003
From: karolus at gte.net (Karolus)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:02:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
References: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com> <3F433FAF.56.7EA939@localhost>
Message-ID: <002501c3673c$ce275a10$0200a8c0@otropf80luile6>

I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf, but
I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think we
had the 8 in the rental car at War.

Karolus
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events


> On 20 Aug 2003 at 8:13, j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:
>
> > As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how
> > many Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious
> > and, while it does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic,
> > I'd suggest any responses have the thread renamed to something like
> > "Estrella attendance" or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in
> > knowing what the numbers are like. Feel free to post to me privately.
> >
> > Ansgar
> >
> I am not sure the simple quantity of Ansteorrans in attendance is all
there is to consider.
> We often have agreements, formal or otherwise with allies in these other
kingdoms.
> That often means at least that our Royalty will be in attendance, meaning
that while they
> are out of kingdom we cannot hold any royal court events, unless we have
Heirs still at
> home.
>
> So it impacts us. I would like to see events like Estrella War and others
listed on the
> Kingdom Calendar and noted as such as a Convenience not as a Kingdom
Scheduled
> event just to assist my planning.
>
> I may want to hold an event during Pennsic but I also want to be sure I am
not counting
> on the Crown to attend. I can't always remember those dates in relation to
our calendar.
>
>
> Claire
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>



From cellach at breezykilt.com  Wed Aug 20 10:46:38 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:46:38 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
References: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com> <3F433FAF.56.7EA939@localhost>
	<002501c3673c$ce275a10$0200a8c0@otropf80luile6>
Message-ID: <003b01c36743$01ee4c90$1108a8c0@bobby>

Speaking of Estrella, the wife and I are starting to plan for it next year.
She'll be 6 months preggers, so, it'll be hotel city for us.  I have friends
from Caid that attend each year.  It'll be good to see them and to scream
"Ansteorra!" at them all week long.  I've never gone, so, if you have some
tips for us, we'd appreciate it!

As far as the Ansteorra contingent is concerned, we must be aligned and make
ourselves known!

In Service,
Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karolus" <karolus at gte.net>
To: <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>; "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
<ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events


> I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf,
but
> I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think
we
> had the 8 in the rental car at War.
>
> Karolus
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events
>
>
> > On 20 Aug 2003 at 8:13, j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:
> >
> > > As far as Estrella, Pennsic, and the others, anyone got an idea of how
> > > many Ansteorrans have been making these events?  (It's got me curious
> > > and, while it does perhaps have some impact on this particular topic,
> > > I'd suggest any responses have the thread renamed to something like
> > > "Estrella attendance" or "OOK attendance".  I'd be interested in
> > > knowing what the numbers are like. Feel free to post to me privately.
> > >
> > > Ansgar
> > >
> > I am not sure the simple quantity of Ansteorrans in attendance is all
> there is to consider.
> > We often have agreements, formal or otherwise with allies in these other
> kingdoms.
> > That often means at least that our Royalty will be in attendance,
meaning
> that while they
> > are out of kingdom we cannot hold any royal court events, unless we have
> Heirs still at
> > home.
> >
> > So it impacts us. I would like to see events like Estrella War and
others
> listed on the
> > Kingdom Calendar and noted as such as a Convenience not as a Kingdom
> Scheduled
> > event just to assist my planning.
> >
> > I may want to hold an event during Pennsic but I also want to be sure I
am
> not counting
> > on the Crown to attend. I can't always remember those dates in relation
to
> our calendar.
> >
> >
> > Claire
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ansteorra mailing list
> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From zubeydah at northkeep.org  Tue Aug 19 23:37:21 2003
From: zubeydah at northkeep.org (Zubeydah the Wanderer)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:37:21 +0600
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: OOK Wars/Events
In-Reply-To: <002501c3673c$ce275a10$0200a8c0@otropf80luile6>
References: <191.1e0995d8.2c74c78d@aol.com> <3F433FAF.56.7EA939@localhost>
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Three attended from Northkeep... myself, Marcus Quietly, and Lynn the 
Inquisitive. 

 -zubeydah 

 


Karolus writes: 

> I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf, but
> I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think we
> had the 8 in the rental car at War. 
> 
> Karolus



From morgancain at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 12:04:06 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (morgancain at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:04:06 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events 
Message-ID: <265000-2200383201946936@M2W049.mail2web.com>

I thought there were only six of us there - Chiara, Big Morgan, Master Etc.
Modius, and Their Majesties - because excepting Morgan (whom Chiara saw
elsewhere) there were only five of us in court, and I didn't see any other
specifically Ansteorran people there that I recall.

I guessed there were more when I saw more than the two of us (Chiara and
myself) listed on the volunteer posting post-war.  If you saw a waterbearer
in an Ansteorran tabard at Estrella this past year, it was one of us.

I think the reason we-all didn't think the others were there is that unlike
last year, there wasn't a specifically Ansteorran Camp onsite.

                             ---= Morgan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Three attended from Northkeep... myself, Marcus Quietly,
> and Lynn the Inquisitive. 
>
> -zubeydah 
>
> Karolus writes: 
>
> I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf,
but
> I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I think
> we had the 8 in the rental car at War. 
> 
> Karolus

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From lg_photo at texas.net  Wed Aug 20 12:26:59 2003
From: lg_photo at texas.net (Alice Morrow Harris)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:26:59 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
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PKieferjr at aol.com wrote:

> I
> I'm basically looking at this as "we've become overwhelmed that we can't do
> things efficiently or effectively within the current structure without coming
> up short somewhere", so we add another layer of sorts.  One would have to
> acknowledge that someone can't be everywhere they'd like to be (i.e., Crown, et.al.),
> so another layer, in the form of a coronet principality, delegated certain duties when
> the monarchy cannot be there in person.  Sort of like a "stand-in" (although a noble is
> supposed to do this as well).
>

Greetings From Alina:

If it's the issue of not having the crown coming to the events of shire & canton so the
local populace can recieve awards, I thought there was something already in place. I'm
mentioning that the nearest barony's baron and/or baroness to the group giving out the
awards for the Crown. I think I heard mention of that at the last Red Tape meeting and in
the past.

Alina




From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Wed Aug 20 12:34:09 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:34:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income
In-Reply-To: <36.465f8fe8.2c74e3f1@aol.com>
References: <36.465f8fe8.2c74e3f1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1061408049.3f43cd31771ec@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

Quoting PKieferjr at aol.com:

> Wouldn't count on having any events Christmas, Thanksgiving or New
> Year's
> 
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)

Going back and answering Isobel's question :


For the years 99-02 :
   There were no events on Christmas weekend
   There were events on 2 Thanksgiving weekends
   There were events on 3 New Year's weekends

For the years 98-01 & 03 :
   There were events on all of the Easter weekends.

So pretty much, like I said, almost no events on Christmas, about 50/50 for 
Thanksgiving, and almost all Easters have events.

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From dmriney at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 13:11:46 2003
From: dmriney at earthlink.net (Don and Monica)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:11:46 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income -= Holiday Events
References: <36.465f8fe8.2c74e3f1@aol.com>
	<1061408049.3f43cd31771ec@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <001e01c36757$48774ea0$c1ddfea9@OSIRUS>

There are many a holiday weekend that my family and I have choosen to go to
an event.  Thanksgiving is one of the best times due to the Turkey being
done on Thursday, eat left overs on Friday - go to an event and escape the
family on Saturday & Sunday.

Rosalia
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From: <j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] RE: Event Income


> Quoting PKieferjr at aol.com:
>
> > Wouldn't count on having any events Christmas, Thanksgiving or New
> > Year's
> >
> > Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
>
> Going back and answering Isobel's question :
>
>
> For the years 99-02 :
>    There were no events on Christmas weekend
>    There were events on 2 Thanksgiving weekends
>    There were events on 3 New Year's weekends
>
> For the years 98-01 & 03 :
>    There were events on all of the Easter weekends.
>
> So pretty much, like I said, almost no events on Christmas, about 50/50
for
> Thanksgiving, and almost all Easters have events.
>
> Ansgar
>
>
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From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 20 13:21:19 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:21:19 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>

That is my point. If you don't put in a bid, you cannot be considered to 
host a Kingdom level event.

I am still very new to all of this so my misunderstanding was that only 
large groups like Baronies and such would be awarded Kingdom events since 
they had the people and the money to pull it off. A smaller group like a 
canton or shire would be overlooked. Boy was I wrong. And glad of it.

I had always thought that groups were clamoring to host a Kingdom event. 
What better way to be assured the Crown would be there. That alone should 
boost attendance for an event. Now I have found out that groups are not 
bidding on Kingdom events.

To me this is an opportunity missed. It is also a great way for a new 
autocrat to get their feet wet so to speak. Supply a site, host gate, 
provide a meal and follow the crowns instructions. How tuff is that?
What is holding groups back from bidding on Kingdom events? You don't even 
have to fight the calendar.

Respectfully,
Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor




>From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:13:22 -0500
>
>My understanding is that the Tor was the only one that bid on it.
>
>Gilli
>Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Miss Pict" <lady_pict2 at hotmail.com>
>To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:48 PM
>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> > I would like to back up the suggestion for smaller groups to bid on
>Kingdom
> > events.
> > The Canton of Dragonsfire Tor in the central region bid on Crown
>Tournament
> > in October. We never thought we had a chance. Low and behold our small
> > canton will be hosting the event.
> >
> > If you do not put in a bid. You cannot win it. Don't think you are too
>small
> > to try. This will be a whole new experience for us to learn from, and I
>for
> > one am excited about it.
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> > Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Elizabeth Crouchet" <ecrouchet at austin.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
> > ><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> > >To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> > >Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
> > >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:39:02 -0500
> > >
> > >On 19 Aug 2003 at 9:58, Ron wrote:
> > ><snip>
> > >  All this does in my opinion
> > > > is cause the smaller groups to not be able to count on the income of 
>a
> > > > second calendar event. The smaller groups need the oppritunity to 
>gain
> > > > the income from those events. I'd like to see more Kingdom events
> > > > given to shires and cantons if this goes into effect. That would 
>allow
> > > > those groups an oppritunity to get additional funds to help keep 
>them
> > > > functioning.
> > > >
> > > > Eirik
> > >
> > >
> > >Part of getting those events is bidding for them. I understand that at
>the
> > >next crown
> > >tournament they will be accepting bids for the next Queens Championship
> > >tournament. I
> > >would love to see some smaller groups bid for that. There are many
> > >interesting places to
> > >go in this kingdom. Kingdom level events are often easier to put 
>together
> > >or staff since
> > >the theme and much of the work are already scheduled to be done by
>someone
> > >on the
> > >kingdom level. That leaves the local group to be just the hosts. That 
>is
>a
> > >great chance to
> > >shine with hospitality and not have the event get lost in a theme that
> > >might or might not
> > >have been well staffed.
> > >
> > >Even with bad weather, Queen's is usually well attended. January should
>be
> > >post
> > >Christmas bookings so that can make it easier to get a site. I remember
> > >that
> > >Shadowlands used to host Queen's often when I was there. All we had to 
>do
> > >was book a
> > >site, build a field, cook a feast and open a gate. Marshalling and
>running
> > >the list usually
> > >had someone on a kingdom level to be in charge of it. And the Court and
> > >Crown areas
> > >were often coordinated by the Crown's entourage.The timing and the 
>events
> > >were
> > >already scheduled and predictable.  If we scheduled entertainment it 
>was
>at
> > >the request
> > >of the Crown and was often a bardic event or dancing of some kind that
>was
> > >easy to
> > >coordinate.
> > >
> > >Just some observations and some encouragement. The Crown often has few 
>if
> > >any bids
> > >to choose from and rarely has a specific group in mind for the event
>ahead
> > >of time. I
> > >suspect that if they get no bids they  may request a Barony or other
>large
> > >group because
> > >it has more resources to deal with putting together a last minute 
>event.
> > >
> > >If you have researched sites, discussed it at a populace meeting or two
>and
> > >have
> > >volunteers to fill the positions, then without having done anything
> > >concrete you are half
> > >way to putting on the event. Write that down and send it to the Crown.
>You
> > >can often
> > >reserve a site and still be able to cancel with no money down or a full
> > >refund if you
> > >cancel way ahead of time. So reserve the site before Crown Tournament 
>and
> > >then
> > >cancel immediately afterwards if you don't get the bid. That is still
> > >several months
> > >ahead.
> > >
> > >I understand that money is tight for small groups, it is for everyone. 
>So
> > >is time, so grab
> > >what you can. You can also offer to do some portion of a larger group's
> > >event and make
> > >a deal for a percentage of the profits. Run and staff the gate or make
>the
> > >feast or serve
> > >the feast or provide the tables or loan them something you have (like a
> > >reviewing stand).
> > >
> > >Well that was long winded enough. I hope someone finds it useful.
> > >
> > >Claire Shayhan
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From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 13:38:19 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:38:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] event limits - sampling technique
In-Reply-To: <251FC9010DCAD711B86F00A0C9E92C3F0AD7FE@10mail.deltacom.net>
References: <251FC9010DCAD711B86F00A0C9E92C3F0AD7FE@10mail.deltacom.net>
Message-ID: <3F43DC3B.6000203@earthlink.net>

Sandra White wrote:

> Clara von Ulm
> (Who has run into the "unable to get an event date" syndrome, as a member of
> a Barony.)
>  
> P.S. As I have been rapidly reading the many, many messages since this post,
> I see that Countess Margaret brought this up as well.

And I posted the raw data for last year's events in another, related, 
thread.

--Perronnelle

-- 
Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.  -- Steven Wright



From zubeydah at northkeep.org  Wed Aug 20 01:50:03 2003
From: zubeydah at northkeep.org (Zubeydah the Wanderer)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:50:03 +0600
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>
References: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030820085003.959.qmail@vectra.stormreaver.net>

Could I ask.. and I'm not sure even who to direct the  question TO... but... 
have ANY bids been received for the 25th Anniversary of the Kingdom 
celebration? 

curiously in service, 


zubeydah the wanderer
Founding Member: Northern Regional Waterbearing & Cheerleading Squad
Creatrix of Evil Things Chocolately 

.. azure, an ewer bendwise within an orle argent..


From kaitlyn_mckenna at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 20 14:11:56 2003
From: kaitlyn_mckenna at hotmail.com (Kaitlyn McKenna)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:11:56 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re:event limits
Message-ID: <Law9-F115aBtr4RN9uK0006ff2e@hotmail.com>

Hmmm..on an up side:

1. Non-calendar events don't have to do NMS
2. The on-line calendar is unofficial..so any event could be listed there, 
"calendar" or not.

kaitlyn

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From baroness_maleah at cox.net  Wed Aug 20 15:39:40 2003
From: baroness_maleah at cox.net (Maleah)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:39:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
References: <Law11-F111SRkOYZSfC000698ec@hotmail.com>
	<20030820085003.959.qmail@vectra.stormreaver.net>
Message-ID: <00af01c3676c$06232000$6400a8c0@banshee>

I know that Namron put in for it and have heard through the grapevine that
others have too, but we haven't heard anything back as of yet. I figured
Pennsic kinda took over and we'd hear something when everyone got back and
had a chance to look at the bids.

Maleah
Baroness of Namron

Zubeydah wrote:
> Could I ask.. and I'm not sure even who to direct the  question TO...
but...
> have ANY bids been received for the 25th Anniversary of the Kingdom
> celebration?




From dssweet at okstate.edu  Wed Aug 20 15:27:19 2003
From: dssweet at okstate.edu (Deborah Sweet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:27:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <OF5C085869.9A4FE148-ON86256D88.007222CD@okstate.edu>

Perronnelle said:
>If anyone want so to run the numbers, here's the raw data:
<big snip of data>

Wow. Thanks for that. Just what I wanted.

So after trying to torture the data until it confessed, here's what I came 
up with. It's entirely possible I missed something as I'm having trouble 
seeing well right now.

Of the 52 weekends, 5 *as listed* had no events - however, obviously one 
was Pennsic and one was Gulf Wars so I'll say 3 event-free weekends 
(Thanksgiving, closest prior to xmas, and the one prior to GW). So that's 
49 used weekends for events.

16 - weekends with 1 event (but let's add 2 for GW and Pennsic so it's - 
18)
28 - weekends with 2 events
1 - weekend with 3 events
1 - weekend with 4 events
1 - weekend with 5 events (but there was a question mark in the data so it 
probably was really a 4 event weekend)

That's a total of 86 events.

Taking out the four protected events, 82 events divided by 45 weekends is 
an average of 1.8 events per weekend. Or it could be said that 69% of the 
used weekends had at least two events and 31% of the used weekends had 
only one event.

Other Kingdom level events held last year were: two King's Round Tables, 
two Queen's Champions, King's College, Academy of the Bow, and Academy of 
the Rapier (according to the list of event titles and the list of "other 
Kingdom Events" from Kingdom law that is online). I've chosen to add 
Heraldic Symposium and Laurel's Prize Tourney to this list. [Other listed 
Kingdom level events may have been bundled up with other scheduled events, 
but were not indicated from the data that Perronnelle posted.] 

So of the 13 Kingdom events only three had at least one opposing event. Of 
the 13 baronial ped events, only one had no competition (only one guess 
what event that was).

If you look at the calendar by month, at least in 2002, the summer months 
of June, July, & August accounted for 9 single event weekends (out of 14 
possible weekends). Five of those nine events were kingdom level events. 
Of the remaining doubled-up weekends, all were in June except for one at 
the end of August. So July is a really unpopular month to hold events 
(like that needs saying).

(From here on down I'll use the sum of 84 events since GW & Pennsic aren't 
hosted by any of our internal groups.)

Baronies hosted 36 events - 13 peds, 4 kingdom events (both Crowns, Kings 
College & a Queen's Champion), and 19 other events. So each barony held an 
average of 2.76 events. 

Non-baronies (30 groups: 19 shires, 9 cantons, 2 colleges) hosted 48 
events - 9 kingdom level events and 39 others. Each non-barony held an 
average of 1.6 events. 

By region Coastal held the most with 22 events  - 26% of the events. 
Central was second with 20 events (24%). North was third with 16 events 
(19%); the South had 15 events (18%) and the West held 11 events (13%). Or 
in other words, Coastal & Central together held 50% of the events; and the 
North, South & West regions together held the other 50%.

Coastal Region had four Kingdom level events as did Central. The West and 
the North both had two kingdom level events and the South had only one.

So my conclusions are thus: Yah, the average is almost 2 events per 
weekend - that's full. Something needs to be done - my thoughts are to 
dock the baronies back to 2 events (ped + 1), just like the rest of us. 
Though I don't object strongly to the proposed change - Mooneschadowe has 
long struggled to find that "perfect" second event, be it theme, date on 
calendar or other. So for the past several years we've only had Guardian. 
However, we've put in bids for kingdom level events and got them (Heraldic 
Symposium, King's College, etc.) We've got one in now for KA&S.

Estrill
yah, another one of those opinionated Mooneschadeen


From cpenny at swbell.net  Wed Aug 20 15:35:12 2003
From: cpenny at swbell.net (Cairenn Day)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:35:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <1ab.1907c33f.2c7374e2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F43F7A0.FA0FD1A9@swbell.net>

I want to chime in with my 2 cents worth.  Steppes is one of the groups
that has three calendar events a year.  We do 12th Night, were there is
a large amount of Kingdom business transacted, we host Circles, Peerages
made (many are not local), The same problem exists at Steppes Warlord.
So far Artisan isn't quite as bad.  We have this problem, simply because
of location, if you live in the north (for example), and you have
friends in the south, the Steppes-Elfsea area will allow both groups to
attend your Peerage ceremony.  We don't mind hosting all of these
Kingdom items, but it takes away from the awards given to local people.
Artisan is our best opportunity to celebrate the people of our Barony.
If we take one event off calendar, then we (and the Kingdom) loses these
chances.  What I am the most afraid of, is that groups will end up
dropping their Arts events.  Many of these will be folded into their
fighting events, this was very common in the past.  It will lessen the
importance of the Arts, and what about the person who fights and does
beautiful artwork?  If they happen to be both a squire and a apprentice,
and their Knight and their Laurel want them to enter both?  We have just
started to get stand alone Arts events, that highlight our artists, I
don't want us to go back to the time of the "stick-jocks", when they
were known by everyone, but no one  realized that their lady was a
superb artist in herself.
Please excuse me if I have been too sharp in my comments, I'm nursing a
bad toothache.

Cairenn,  Artist and former (and hope to be again) "stick-jock"



From Fitzmorgan at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 15:41:09 2003
From: Fitzmorgan at aol.com (Fitzmorgan at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:41:09 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
Message-ID: <14c.2307cfd0.2c755305@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/20/2003 3:46:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
zubeydah at northkeep.org writes:


> Could I ask.. and I'm not sure even who to direct the  question TO... 
> but... 
> have ANY bids been received for the 25th Anniversary of the Kingdom 
> celebration? 
> 
> curiously in service, 
> 
> 
> zubeydah the wanderer
> Founding Member: Northern Regional Waterbearing & Cheerleading Squad
> Creatrix of Evil Things Chocolately 
> 
> .. azure, an ewer bendwise within an orle argent..

       I know of Two bids.  One in the North and one in the Central Region.  
I'm not sure when the decision will be made.   

Robert


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 15:42:53 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:42:53 -0500
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <20030820041204.57932.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004101c3676c$a524ff20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

This, to me, sounds like lots of missed opportunities to let the next
generation of leaders get some experience.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:12 PM
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't
have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up
that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or
something else...
>
> A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone
you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if you
have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
> Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> wrote:
> Lisa Duke (arabella at elfsea.net) said something that sounded like:
> > Be very careful what you say Master Pug. Why should you dread going to
an
> > event because of "business being done"?
>
> Because of the old motto.
>
> When you stop having fun, stop doing it.
>
> The Peers of the Realm do a lot more "business" than what is seen at
> the King's Round Table. There is more "business" to the game of the
> SCA than what the officers do. Just ask the Laurels about judging
> sometime.
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
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> Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra | And I ain't in it for my health
> Dark Horde Moritu | I ain't in it for the glory of anything at all
> pug at pug.net | And I sure ain't in it for the wealth" --Meatloaf
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 15:44:40 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:44:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <103.348660e2.2c745214@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004201c3676c$a5608180$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Did over half the Kingdom go to Pennisc?  Perhaps they do to Gulf War.  But
other than GW I wouldn't.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: <PKieferjr at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> In a message dated 8/19/2003 10:42:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> lyonsden19 at att.net writes:
> should these even be considered as they are out of kingdom?
> Considering the amount of attendence by Ansteorrans, that would be a big
> hearty "YES".
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
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From agillilan at swbell.net  Wed Aug 20 15:54:27 2003
From: agillilan at swbell.net (April Gillilan)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:54:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] was: Event Limits? / now: Bidding on Crown Events
In-Reply-To: <14c.2307cfd0.2c755305@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002801c3676e$02f06bc0$6701a8c0@PORTEGE>

A lot of people have been throwing around and computing wonderful numbers
and statistics on the number of events held in the kingdom over the past
years, and I would like to see some more.  :)

Is there anyone (or office) that has the numbers of what groups have bid on
what kingdom level events?  A lot of people are saying that kingdom level
events don't get bid on very much, and I would like to see if that is true,
or just another assumption.

Gilyan
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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 16:19:20 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:19:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <004101c3676c$a524ff20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030820231920.39243.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com>

Gilli,
 
Maybe I'm dull headed this evening...but I don't see how your comment relates to my comment...explain please
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
This, to me, sounds like lots of missed opportunities to let the next
generation of leaders get some experience.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" 
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:12 PM
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't
have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up
that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or
something else...
>
> A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone
you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if you
have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
> 

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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 16:34:14 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:34:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <OF5C085869.9A4FE148-ON86256D88.007222CD@okstate.edu>
Message-ID: <3F43BF26.26650.791D5D@localhost>

It occurs to me that the issue is far more complex than  just a crowded Kingdom 
calendar problem. 

Okay. Some few weekends had one or no events listed. That is not the only 
consideration. Not only is your event affected by the Kingdom calendar  and the 
proximity of other groups events, but also when any facilities are available. With facility 
rentals crowded and the Kingdom calendar crowded it can be VERY difficult to find a 
weekend that can work for your group. And sometimes there are other local conflicts. 
Many groups have annual events in their cities that are not SCA sponsored that they 
participate in, as they should, but that also provides conflicts. And as far apart as many 
of our groups are, we are still close enough to draw from the much of the same 
populations at the same time.

With the population increase of both the state and the SCA  facilities need to be bigger 
than in the past so that reduces the number of sites to choose from and then those sites 
are heavily used by other groups. I know that in Bryn Gwlad, we try to book Candlemas 
sites as much as 2 years in advance when they let us and we sometimes still have to  
argue for that PED weekend. And larger facilities cost more upfront as well. 

This increase in population is good for the SCA but it is straining  the resources of 
individual groups in the kingdom.  >IF< Ansteorra divided >right now< into two 
kingdoms, they would still be of a comparable size as far as numbers of groups goes, 
with other SCA kingdoms. That is why our calendar is more crowded than those 
kingdom's calendars. I just hope that our population size makes it possible for us to host 
successfully that many more events at a time.  

Disclaimer: I am not advocating Principalities at this time. This example is intended only 
for illustration and comparison purposes. 

This is such a complex issue there is no single elegant solution. But I am always in favor 
of Quality over Quantity. Traveling EVERY weekend is exhausting no matter how much I 
want to go to a particular event. 

Just more opinions from Claire .

On 20 Aug 2003 at 17:27, Deborah Sweet wrote:

> Perronnelle said:
> >If anyone want so to run the numbers, here's the raw data:
> <big snip of data>
> 
> Wow. Thanks for that. Just what I wanted.
> 
> So after trying to torture the data until it confessed, here's what I
> came up with. It's entirely possible I missed something as I'm having
> trouble seeing well right now.

>Lots of great and useful statics cut here.<


From uther at lcc.net  Wed Aug 20 17:52:14 2003
From: uther at lcc.net (mike young)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:52:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] events, awards, limits, oh my
Message-ID: <001c01c3677e$7cd8a960$502422d1@theparents>

I guess we have just never had enough awards to give here in Greywood that it took more than one event a year to give them all out . LOL!

Didn't this used to be the way it was anyway?
Or am I just mis-remembering?    The past twenty years just flew by so fast....

gwyneth
kingdom calendar secretary



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 20:25:15 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:25:15 -0500
Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <20030820231920.39243.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007801c36793$d834d3a0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

You said, "more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun at
events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they end
up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something
else...".

Those crisis management or something else's might have just as easily been
taken care of by someone else, IF given the chance, opportunity or perhaps a
bit of guidance.   But as we have talked before, some folks just keep
jumping into the fire till they get a grumpy golden brown.  I guarantee you
that one of two things would have happened had that peer not been there: 1)
someone else would have taken care of it, or 2) folks would have just lived
with it.

Teaching is what we do, or at least I thought so.  That should also include
letting folks do what they have been tought or let them do on the job
training.

So, it was a self infected wound.  By their continuing to jump in the fire,
the deprived some one of the opportunity to feel the heat some to get use to
it.  Folks get use to haveing someone take care of things to the point the
one doing the taking care of walks off. That's a terrible loss, but it
dosen't seem to bring things to a hault nor change the nature of the beast.

To add to this sad fact of life, it's not just peers this sort of thing
happens to either.

Did that help?

Gilli

Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


> Gilli,
>
> Maybe I'm dull headed this evening...but I don't see how your comment
relates to my comment...explain please
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
> Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
> This, to me, sounds like lots of missed opportunities to let the next
> generation of leaders get some experience.
>
> Gilli
> Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "L T"
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:12 PM
> Subject: Ditto Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
>
>
> > I agree with Pug...more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't
> have fun at events anymore because there's always something that comes up
> that they end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or
> something else...
> >
> > A word to the populace at large...before you bring a problem to someone
> you percieve to "have power" or "knowledge" or "pull" - ask yourself if
you
> have followed the SCA conventions of problem solving...
> >
> > Lorraine DeerSlayer



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 20:31:51 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:31:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re:event limits
References: <Law9-F115aBtr4RN9uK0006ff2e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c36794$c426be40$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

That's not the case, or at least it wasn't.

For awhile there, they allowed my Archer's Revel (a non calendar event)
which was and is held the last weekend of November to be on the unofficial
calendar.

Then it was decide that if the event couldn't be placed on the offical
calendar in the Black Star, then it couldn't be on line calendar either.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kaitlyn McKenna" <kaitlyn_mckenna at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:11 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re:event limits


> Hmmm..on an up side:
>
> 1. Non-calendar events don't have to do NMS
> 2. The on-line calendar is unofficial..so any event could be listed there,
> "calendar" or not.
>
> kaitlyn
>
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From suzannebooth at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 20:42:48 2003
From: suzannebooth at yahoo.com (Suzanne Booth)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:42:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Farewell to Ansteorra
Message-ID: <20030821034248.93026.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings from HL Suzanne de la Fert? and Ld Angus de Botha!

Please forgive the bandwidth, but this is the quickest way to spread news of
our upcoming move to all of our friends in the Kingdom.  If you do not know us,
pleas feel free to delete this message without reading further.

Due to economic circumstances (Suzanne's job), we will be departing our beloved
Kingdom of Ansteorra for the Kingdom of Calontir (Barony of the Lonely Tower)
in a week and a half.  

Suzanne's consulting project ran out at the end of July and the consulting
company had no new project assignments foreseen until mid-October at the
earliest.  So ... a massive job search effort was rewarded with the offer of a
permanent position (no more consulting!) with a software firm in Omaha,
Nebraska, to start on September 2nd!  Angus will be receiving a transfer from
his company (O'Reilly Auto Parts) to Omaha, so his job is safe.

We will miss all of our dear friends that we have made here in Ansteorra much
more than you can ever know.  If you would like our forwarding address, please
contact us via Suzanne's email (SuzanneBooth at yahoo.com) and we will send you
the information poste haste!

Love,

Suzanne and Angus
Barony of Bjornsborg, Kingdom of Ansteorra



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From letebts at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 20:44:47 2003
From: letebts at earthlink.net (Elaine Crittenden)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:44:47 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Non-calendar courts
Message-ID: <E19pgOV-0004qY-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Inset in the "big picture":

Just musing back to a previous thread about people who talk during award
ceremonies and trying to connect it with the present thread...

There might be a correlation about local awards being given at big
events--ya don't know the recipient and ya can't hear, so there's no vested
interest in having an emotional bond with the awardee that would make the
awarding "special". That equals "boredom" with no "fast-forward" remote
control to speed things up until there's a part of the ceremonies that the
talker is bonded to. [Ahhh, the insidious "fallout" from modern
technologies....  ;-)  ]

Lete
Still a-thinkin'....





...............................
 Small local events
> are a great time to give out such awards because when you are at an event
> with mostly people from the local area it meens alot to the group. Giving
local
> awards at large events where lots of people are out of towners isn't as
> special. So thats my opinion as if anyone wanted it.
>
> Don Pieter Rausch
>


From letebts at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 20 20:55:44 2003
From: letebts at earthlink.net (Elaine Crittenden)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:55:44 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question
Message-ID: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

An impish little thought just jumped into my brain: 

Why couldn't a Barony which has an extra event date they don't want to use
barter the date to another group that wants a date and can't because of
limitations? I am thinking along the lines of politicians who have a certain
number of minutes to speak and yield part or all of the time the former is
alotted to another politician for the latter's use.

Next question:
Now just what could one barter for time? Hmmmmm. Interesting ponderance...

Lete
[Jes' thinkin'......... again.  ;-) ]
.....................

> I think that is a wonderful question.
>
> In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial groups
> only two?
>
> Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?
>
> If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all three) that
> would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
>
> Gilli


From Lightfootcim at aol.com  Wed Aug 20 20:59:35 2003
From: Lightfootcim at aol.com (Lightfootcim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:59:35 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Mistress Lorraine Deerslayer
Message-ID: <144.1783aea0.2c759da7@aol.com>

Please forgive the bandwith, but would Mistress Lorrraine please contact me 
privately?

Thanks!

HL John Lightfoot


From gilli at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 20 21:05:14 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:05:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question
References: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <002401c36799$70353be0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Hehehehehehehehe.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elaine Crittenden" <letebts at earthlink.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>; "Kingdom
of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:55 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question


> An impish little thought just jumped into my brain:
>
> Why couldn't a Barony which has an extra event date they don't want to use
> barter the date to another group that wants a date and can't because of
> limitations? I am thinking along the lines of politicians who have a
certain
> number of minutes to speak and yield part or all of the time the former is
> alotted to another politician for the latter's use.
>
> Next question:
> Now just what could one barter for time? Hmmmmm. Interesting ponderance...
>
> Lete
> [Jes' thinkin'......... again.  ;-) ]
> .....................
>
> > I think that is a wonderful question.
> >
> > In fact, why should Baronies get to do 3 events and us non baronial
groups
> > only two?
> >
> > Is that a rich get richer thing, or what?
> >
> > If Baronies only did two events a year (I know some don't do all three)
that
> > would ease things up a bit on the calendar, wouldn't it?
> >
> > Gilli
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From rixende at mail2noble.com  Thu Aug 21 07:01:00 2003
From: rixende at mail2noble.com (Jhan Knebel)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:01:00 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] OT: SCAdian's Missing Son
Message-ID: <e535c01c367ec$a6d31520$2801010a@mail2world.com>


>More details and photo at website listed below.
>***********************
>
>From: "grainnechormaic" 
>Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:26:04 -0000
>Subject: [TY] SCAdian's missing son....please read
>
>My son, Nicholaus Kirkpatrick is missing. The last reliable sighting
>of him was at pre-registration some day (the registrar isn't sure
>which day) the week of July 15, 2003 at Watkins College in Nashville.
>
>Please visit the link
>http://www.geocities.com/find_nick_22/Find_Nick.html
>
>Please pass this link to everyone you know. If he is alive and for
>whatever reason has decided to "go walkabout", he may be in or headed
>for the California area.
>
>Thanks to all.
>
>Grainne inghean Chormaic (m.k.a. Karen Kirkpatrick)


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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 21 11:02:25 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:02:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Farewell to Ansteorra
In-Reply-To: <20030821034248.93026.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030821180225.28595.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>

Calontir is gaining some damn fine people!!!
 
Kief and I will miss you both!!!
 
Lorraine

Suzanne Booth <suzannebooth at yahoo.com> wrote:
Greetings from HL Suzanne de la Fert? and Ld Angus de Botha!

Please forgive the bandwidth, but this is the quickest way to spread news of
our upcoming move to all of our friends in the Kingdom. If you do not know us,
pleas feel free to delete this message without reading further.

Due to economic circumstances (Suzanne's job), we will be departing our beloved
Kingdom of Ansteorra for the Kingdom of Calontir (Barony of the Lonely Tower)
in a week and a half. 

Suzanne's consulting project ran out at the end of July and the consulting
company had no new project assignments foreseen until mid-October at the
earliest. So ... a massive job search effort was rewarded with the offer of a
permanent position (no more consulting!) with a software firm in Omaha,
Nebraska, to start on September 2nd! Angus will be receiving a transfer from
his company (O'Reilly Auto Parts) to Omaha, so his job is safe.

We will miss all of our dear friends that we have made here in Ansteorra much
more than you can ever know. If you would like our forwarding address, please
contact us via Suzanne's email (SuzanneBooth at yahoo.com) and we will send you
the information poste haste!

Love,

Suzanne and Angus
Barony of Bjornsborg, Kingdom of Ansteorra



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From dssweet at okstate.edu  Thu Aug 21 14:59:04 2003
From: dssweet at okstate.edu (Deborah Sweet)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:59:04 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <OF7FD23D85.81A60819-ON86256D89.006F8ABF@okstate.edu>

Claire said:
>With the population increase of both the state and the SCA  facilities 
need to be bigger 
>than in the past so that reduces the number of sites to choose from and 
then those sites 

Hold up there. While Texas may have had an increase in *their* state 
population, the same is not true of Oklahoma - we lost a US 
Representative. Therefore the rest that followed that statement may not be 
true up here.


>This increase in population is good for the SCA but it is straining  the 
resources of 
>individual groups in the kingdom.  >IF< Ansteorra divided >right now< 
into two 
>kingdoms, they would still be of a comparable size as far as numbers of 
groups goes, 
>with other SCA kingdoms. 

Well, not really, at least according the numbers that Perronnelle posted 
earlier about the number of groups in the other kingdoms. No one region in 
Ansteorra has as many groups as the smallest kingdom (by number of groups 
Atenveldt - 18). And even if we could somehow divide totally in half (21 
and 22 groups), that still would put both new kingdoms near the bottom of 
the rankings (ie, only Atenveldt (18) and Artemisia (19) would have fewer 
groups). Somehow I think the designator "small" is to be avoided when 
talking to Texans. :)

As an example of a viable principality (at least in the BoD's eyes), the 
Principality of Northshield will be going kingdom in October of this year 
- and they have 32 groups in their principality, already divided into 
three regions. And even with Northshield breaking away from the Middle, 
the Middle will still have the most number of groups with 86 (down from 
118). The next newest Kingdom, Lochac, has 35 groups. 

Right now Ansteorra ranks as the eighth most populous kingdom by comparing 
total number of groups. If you compared kingdoms by *percentage* number of 
baronial level groups, however, Ansteorra ranks number 3 with 30 percent 
of our groups baronial level (behind Atenveldt and Atlantia, 
respectively). We're number seven in percentages of Cantons with 21 
percent. And for percentages of shires, we're number 12 at 44 percent. The 
total averages by adding all kingdoms is: 21% baronial, 20% canton, 50% 
shire, and 11% other. As a kingdom, Ansteorra has: 30% baronial, 21% 
cantons, 44% shires, and 5% other. So we're baronial-heavy and a little 
light in shires and "other" groups (though probably if we sat down and 
counted up all the dormant colleges that might change a bit).

I'd really like to take the time and figure out the square miles (or some 
other logical number) covered by each kingdom, and the actual number of 
persons living there, and the number of persons per square mile, and 
compare kingdoms across the board to see which ones really are "large" or 
"small" for their areas, possible population, etc. Only then can real 
meaning be placed behind these numbers.

Estrill
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From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Thu Aug 21 16:40:42 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <KBOCEPCBEMIKPGAA@mailcity.com>


I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.

Nell

------------------------------

I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you 
don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.

I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather 
have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than 
have 3 bland "formula" events.

Yours,
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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Thu Aug 21 18:30:24 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:30:24 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
References: <KBOCEPCBEMIKPGAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3684c$fe6d8760$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

I believe that would be called a multi group event.  They are allowed.  But,
I think, you have to get Kingdom approval.

Gilli
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To: "ansteorra list" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:40 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events


>
> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or
shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as a
required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the perfect
solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>
> Nell
>
> ------------------------------
>
> I'd like to see more shires and cantons bid for those events. If you
> don't bid, it's pretty hard for the kingdom to give you the event.
>
> I'd also like to see more thought put into our events. I'd much rather
> have 3 groups get together to host a knock-your-socks-off event, than
> have 3 bland "formula" events.
>
> Yours,
> Michael Silverhands
>
>
>
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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 21 20:05:12 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:05:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <007801c36793$d834d3a0$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030822030512.3761.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com>



Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
>You said, "more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun at
>events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they >end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something
>else...".

>Those crisis management or something else's might have just as easily been
>taken care of by someone else, IF given the chance, opportunity or perhaps a
>bit of guidance.

People ARE given the chance...they have the chance everytime a problem comes up...they are just not confident enough or just don't want to deal with stuff so instead of following procedure, asking advice, or doing the research themselves...they run to an "authority" to handle it...

I'm not saying that there aren't situations that we need the immediate attention of authority for...anything dealing with legal issues needs to be taken to the chain of command immediately...

I'm talking about personality conflicts, timing issues, or even just discontent...

> But as we have talked before, some folks just keep
>jumping into the fire till they get a grumpy golden brown. I guarantee you
>that one of two things would have happened had that peer not been there: 1)
>someone else would have taken care of it, or 2) folks would have just lived
>with it.

I seem to understand from this comment that you think the Peers are jumping in without allowing others to take care of it...and I was coming from the direct opposite point of view...that people draw in the Peers too quickly at times...instead of working through things themselves...

and ya know...both viewpoints are valid...!

>Teaching is what we do, or at least I thought so. That should also include
>letting folks do what they have been tought or let them do on the job
>training.


Very true...and sometimes that means standing back and watching the "kids" make their mistakes and sometimes it means teaching by example...


>So, it was a self infected wound. By their continuing to jump in the fire,
>the deprived some one of the opportunity to feel the heat some to get use to
>it. Folks get use to haveing someone take care of things to the point the
>one doing the taking care of walks off. That's a terrible loss, but it
>dosen't seem to bring things to a hault nor change the nature of the beast.

In some ways it is a self perpetuating thing...but you might consider that any time a Peer walks away...they will be called down 7 ways to sunday about how they abrogated their responsibilities and cussed for being a "bad Peer"...tell ya what....I've got that T-Shirt...and unfortunately it is a large part of being a Peer...like being a parent...you have to be able to "fade the heat"...for your every action, non-action and reaction...you also have to figure out when to give advice, when to let the little birds fly...and when to walk away...not an easy thing...

>To add to this sad fact of life, it's not just peers this sort of thing
>happens to either.


I'm sure it even happens to Gillis ;-)


>Did that help?


It helped me...I really did not understand where you were coming from on that one...

Thanks for the response...


>Gilli

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From gilli at hot.rr.com  Thu Aug 21 20:22:04 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:22:04 -0500
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
References: <20030822030512.3761.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3685c$90d27f20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

Yep, it sure does happen to Gillis too.

People will say or do as they please.  Even as hard skined as I appear to
be, it is sometimes hard to ignore some things that are said and even
implied by the way they are said.  Some times I really do admire the outward
appearance politicans can give on personal attacks and the like.

But one should ask ones self, "If I walk away, who benifits?"

As it is true, that people will say and do as they please, they will also
have opinons and attitudes on various subjects. I'm not too sure any of
those have been changed on this list.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:05 PM
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


>
>
> Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
> >You said, "more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun
at
> >events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they
>end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something
> >else...".
>
> >Those crisis management or something else's might have just as easily
been
> >taken care of by someone else, IF given the chance, opportunity or
perhaps a
> >bit of guidance.
>
> People ARE given the chance...they have the chance everytime a problem
comes up...they are just not confident enough or just don't want to deal
with stuff so instead of following procedure, asking advice, or doing the
research themselves...they run to an "authority" to handle it...
>
> I'm not saying that there aren't situations that we need the immediate
attention of authority for...anything dealing with legal issues needs to be
taken to the chain of command immediately...
>
> I'm talking about personality conflicts, timing issues, or even just
discontent...
>
> > But as we have talked before, some folks just keep
> >jumping into the fire till they get a grumpy golden brown. I guarantee
you
> >that one of two things would have happened had that peer not been there:
1)
> >someone else would have taken care of it, or 2) folks would have just
lived
> >with it.
>
> I seem to understand from this comment that you think the Peers are
jumping in without allowing others to take care of it...and I was coming
from the direct opposite point of view...that people draw in the Peers too
quickly at times...instead of working through things themselves...
>
> and ya know...both viewpoints are valid...!
>
> >Teaching is what we do, or at least I thought so. That should also
include
> >letting folks do what they have been tought or let them do on the job
> >training.
>
>
> Very true...and sometimes that means standing back and watching the "kids"
make their mistakes and sometimes it means teaching by example...
>
>
> >So, it was a self infected wound. By their continuing to jump in the
fire,
> >the deprived some one of the opportunity to feel the heat some to get use
to
> >it. Folks get use to haveing someone take care of things to the point the
> >one doing the taking care of walks off. That's a terrible loss, but it
> >dosen't seem to bring things to a hault nor change the nature of the
beast.
>
> In some ways it is a self perpetuating thing...but you might consider that
any time a Peer walks away...they will be called down 7 ways to sunday about
how they abrogated their responsibilities and cussed for being a "bad
Peer"...tell ya what....I've got that T-Shirt...and unfortunately it is a
large part of being a Peer...like being a parent...you have to be able to
"fade the heat"...for your every action, non-action and reaction...you also
have to figure out when to give advice, when to let the little birds
fly...and when to walk away...not an easy thing...
>
> >To add to this sad fact of life, it's not just peers this sort of thing
> >happens to either.
>
>
> I'm sure it even happens to Gillis ;-)
>
>
> >Did that help?
>
>
> It helped me...I really did not understand where you were coming from on
that one...
>
> Thanks for the response...
>
>
> >Gilli
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
>
>
>
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From mtucker at airmail.net  Thu Aug 21 23:06:49 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:06:49 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
In-Reply-To: <KBOCEPCBEMIKPGAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <D121DC26-D466-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 06:40  PM, Beth Turner wrote:

>
> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or 
> shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as 
> a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the 
> perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>
> Nell
>

Au contraire, Madame! :-)

It is entirely acceptable for two or three groups of any sort - 
cantons, shires, baronies, mix-and-match - to do an event together. If 
several cantons banded together to host an event, it would most likely 
count as their "required" event.

I deliberately put "required" in quotes because, strictly speaking, 
they aren't *required* to host an event each year. Per Kingdom Law, 
they are merely required to demonstrate "regular activity". This is 
usually accomplished by hosting events, but it isn't required that you 
host an event every year, or that you do it solo. Talk to the kingdom 
seneschal if you aren't sure.

Yours,
Michael Silverhands
(former territorial Baron; former regional Seneschal; author of the 
June, 2000 edition of the Seneschal's Handbook; currently not holding 
any office whatsoever *smile*)



From mtucker at airmail.net  Fri Aug 22 00:03:55 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 02:03:55 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
In-Reply-To: <D121DC26-D466-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <CB44DA82-D46E-11D7-824C-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>

Ah, curse the luck, quoting myself. So cut my pay. :-P

> On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 06:40  PM, Beth Turner wrote:
>> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons 
>> or shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count 
>> as a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the 
>> perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>>
>> Nell
>>
>

On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 01:06  AM, Michael Tucker wrote:
> It is entirely acceptable for two or three groups of any sort - 
> cantons, shires, baronies, mix-and-match - to do an event together. If 
> several cantons banded together to host an event, it would most likely 
> count as their "required" event.
>

One minor but important point that I'd like to clarify: such an event 
*would* probably count as their "proof of activity", but it would *not* 
count against any of the sponsoring group's event limit (e.g. one event 
per year). They can still have a "solo" on-calendar event if they want 
to, in addition to the multi-group event. So, it's the best of both 
worlds.

Michael Silverhands



From IagoAH at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 04:31:50 2003
From: IagoAH at aol.com (IagoAH at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:31:50 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <1da.fb6ac39.2c775926@aol.com>

I'll be out of the next session.  I'll send an updated copy of my character 
along.

Greg


From rixende at mail2noble.com  Fri Aug 22 06:44:08 2003
From: rixende at mail2noble.com (Jhan Knebel)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 06:44:08 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Propane Heater Recall
Message-ID: <fa5801c368b3$75ba1570$0a04010a@mail2world.com>

Greetings Ansteorra!
 
I received this recall notice, and figured that it could easily affect
numerous Ansteorrans.  If you purchased one of these heaters from
Academy, please follow the instructions!
 
In Service,
Rixende
 
http://www.safetyalerts.com/recall/p/02/p0013182.htm
 
The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission announces the following
recall in voluntary cooperation with the firm below. Consumers should
stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed. 

Name of product: Timber Creek Propane Heaters 

Units: About 40,400

Manufacturer: Academy Sports and Outdoors, of Katy, Texas

Hazard: The heaters can emit high levels of carbon monoxide (CO), posing
a risk of CO poisoning to consumers if used indoors.

Incidents/Injuries: No injuries have been reported. This recall is being
conducted to prevent the possibility of injuries.

Description: The heaters have a 6 inch heat reflector and operate with a
disposable 16.4-ounce or 14.1-ounce propane tank, sold separately. The
product has a chrome neck, a black "on/off" switch, and a black plastic
base that houses the propane cylinder.

Sold at: "Academy Sports and Outdoors" stores exclusively sold the
heaters in Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee
and Texas from Sept. 2001 through May 2003 for about $20.

Manufactured in: China

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5 p.m. CT Monday through Friday, or visit the firm's Web site at
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From kschumach at comcast.net  Wed Aug 20 12:27:18 2003
From: kschumach at comcast.net (Kristin Schumacher)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:27:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] virus warning
Message-ID: <3F43CB96.20105@comcast.net>

Greetings and sorry for any cross-posting,
I just wanted to let you know that Norton Anti-Virus just quarantined an 
email with the W32.Dumaru at mm virus.  It had an attachment that was named 
patch.exe.  According to Norton this is a particularly nasty virus that 
destroys the programs it infects.  Since the email was quarantined, I'm 
not sure who it was from so you may want to run a virus scan on your 
system.  Luckily I was able to stop it from doing anything to my system 
due to Norton. 

in service,
Ly Annabel Kincaid




From Medicfem at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 07:37:16 2003
From: Medicfem at aol.com (Medicfem at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:37:16 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Propane Heater Recall
Message-ID: <5B59D7A4.0DF592BE.0079E0D6@aol.com>

Thank You! I happen to own the exact model mentioned. I appreciate the info.

Lady Caley of Lancashire
Chirurgeon in the Shire of Seawinds
Autocrat Seawinds Defender Oct.24-26,2003


From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 10:57:35 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:57:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <000601c3685c$90d27f20$b221c944@hot.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030822175735.12866.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com>



Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
(snip)

>As it is true, that people will say and do as they please, they will also
>have opinons and attitudes on various subjects. I'm not too sure any of
>those have been changed on this list.

I think that the great thing about this list is that all the people who read it will see that there is no ONE point of view...and there is no ONE authority on any given subject...and so they will read the stuff here...and be able to form a better opinion or be more effective for themselves and their group because they have seen more than one point of view...

I have also seen people be able to bring out their perceptions and have them validated...or dispelled here...which I think is a good thing...

>Gilli
Shoot more arrows. You're bound to hit something.


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From medievalbelle at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 11:34:12 2003
From: medievalbelle at yahoo.com (Stacy E. Dickey)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:34:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
Message-ID: <20030822183412.3292.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings all,

   I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdo armourer in
attendance at Defender this year. Duke Andreas Icefalcon will be
selling armour and rattan, sharing merchant space with Spiers
Saddlery. If you have any specific pieces you'd like him to bring,
please contact me <colete at stickjock.com> and I'll arrange it.


Pour Dieu, Roi, et Pays...
Madame Colete d'Evreux


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From valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 12:52:08 2003
From: valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com (John Yates)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:52:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
In-Reply-To: <20030822183412.3292.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030822195208.25881.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com>

   There's another reason to make this year's Defender
my first event to make there. He has been a long-time
member of the Arnour Archive, and it would be cool to
meet him in person.

Valstarr


--- "Stacy E. Dickey" <medievalbelle at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greetings all,
> 
>    I'm pleased to mention we will have an East
> Kingdo armourer in
> attendance at Defender this year. Duke Andreas
> Icefalcon will be
> selling armour and rattan, sharing merchant space
> with Spiers
> Saddlery. If you have any specific pieces you'd like
> him to bring,
> please contact me <colete at stickjock.com> and I'll
> arrange it.
> 
> 
> Pour Dieu, Roi, et Pays...
> Madame Colete d'Evreux
> 
> 
> =====
> 
> "Speak softly and carry a big stick." ~T.R.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From Ciard49 at aol.com  Fri Aug 22 13:00:51 2003
From: Ciard49 at aol.com (Ciard49 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:00:51 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
Message-ID: <ac.46562dc0.2c77d073@aol.com>



> I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdom armourer in
> attendance at Defender this year.

Which Defender would that be, please?

Ciard


From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 22 13:44:27 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:44:27 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
References: <ac.46562dc0.2c77d073@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE68FkuutSgcO00000463@hotmail.com>

hehe...

ElfSea Defender.

Here's his armour:

http://www.icefalcon.com/

Morgan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Ciard49 at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender


> 
> 
> > I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdom armourer in
> > attendance at Defender this year.
> 
> Which Defender would that be, please?
> 
> Ciard
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From nellwynn0 at lycos.com  Fri Aug 22 14:53:48 2003
From: nellwynn0 at lycos.com (Beth Turner)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:53:48 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <OJCJHIHLBIBPPGAA@mailcity.com>


Merci beaucoup, Monsieur

Obviously I was misinformed all around.  I guess if you want to be sure of something, you need to look it up yourself.  <sigh>

In service,
Nell


--------- Original Message ---------

DATE: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 01:06:49
From: Michael Tucker <mtucker at airmail.net>
To: nellwynn0 at lycos.com,"Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Cc: 

>
>On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 06:40  PM, Beth Turner wrote:
>
>>
>> I have been told that it is not acceptable for two or three cantons or 
>> shires to do an event together.  Or, if we did, it would not count as 
>> a required event.  Was I misinformed?  To me that sounds like the 
>> perfect solution to a multitude of problems facing a small group.
>>
>> Nell
>>
>
>Au contraire, Madame! :-)
>
>It is entirely acceptable for two or three groups of any sort - 
>cantons, shires, baronies, mix-and-match - to do an event together. If 
>several cantons banded together to host an event, it would most likely 
>count as their "required" event.
>
>I deliberately put "required" in quotes because, strictly speaking, 
>they aren't *required* to host an event each year. Per Kingdom Law, 
>they are merely required to demonstrate "regular activity". This is 
>usually accomplished by hosting events, but it isn't required that you 
>host an event every year, or that you do it solo. Talk to the kingdom 
>seneschal if you aren't sure.
>
>Yours,
>Michael Silverhands
>(former territorial Baron; former regional Seneschal; author of the 
>June, 2000 edition of the Seneschal's Handbook; currently not holding 
>any office whatsoever *smile*)
>
>



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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 15:41:08 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:41:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE68FkuutSgcO00000463@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030822224108.43286.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>

Glad to see he's back from the sandbox...
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
hehe...

ElfSea Defender.

Here's his armour:

http://www.icefalcon.com/

Morgan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Visiting Armoury at Defender


> 
> 
> > I'm pleased to mention we will have an East Kingdom armourer in
> > attendance at Defender this year.
> 
> Which Defender would that be, please?
> 
> Ciard
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From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 23 02:04:23 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 02:04:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby
Message-ID: <20030823090423.29904.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com>

oh!  Sally's water just broke!  We are going to be at Craig Hospital, 801 N. Foreman st.  Vinita, OK.  918-256-7551, under Sally Stewart.
Yeah!!!
Robert and Sally



Lord Skerri Valtorsson
Knight Marshall
Incipient Canton of Chemin Noir
Barony of Northkeep
Kingdom of Ansteorra

Praise no sword before wet, no ale before drunk, nor ice before crossed

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From IagoAH at aol.com  Sat Aug 23 06:02:37 2003
From: IagoAH at aol.com (IagoAH at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:02:37 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] groups banding together for events
Message-ID: <fb.4553e4f9.2c78bfed@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/22/03 6:34:10 AM Central Daylight Time, IagoAH at aol.com 
writes:


> I'll be out of the next session.  I'll send an updated copy of my character 
> 
> along.
> 
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
> 

Sorry folks this was written in a "reply all" to a gaming group. Don't know 
how addresses got changed to the ansteorra list. 

Iago


From LrdWayland at aol.com  Sun Aug 24 00:02:59 2003
From: LrdWayland at aol.com (LrdWayland at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 03:02:59 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX
Message-ID: <134.24331130.2c79bd23@aol.com>

Greetings,
 I heard there was some bit of a discussion on this list about who all went 
to Estrella War. I must have missed the thread, but I sure haven't missed the 
event.
 Many of us from Seawinds have been going to this event for several years. We 
usually bring around 6 or more people, once we fielded 10 (I think) fighters 
under the Ansteorran banner. We've gone as a Seawinds unit at times, however, 
in the past three years we've fought as Legio Australis.
 If you were there at the last Estrella, you may have seen our encampment. We 
set up with our Outlands allies and erected two 3-story wooden towers as our 
camp entrance. I cannot say enough about the wonderful hospitality shown to us 
over the many years by our wonderful Outlands neighbors. They welcome us as 
long lost brothers and are very thankful for our continued support. 
 Seawinds/Legio aren't the only Ansteorrans there by any means. I've seen 
many from our Kingdom fighting in other units, such as the Fray and as 
Ansteorrans with our Crown at times.
 The event itself is totally awesome, great battles where warriors from 
Ansteorra shine upon the battlefield through our heroic deeds. I've heard fighters 
from other kingdoms talking about us at the days end. Ansteorrans have a well 
earned reputation as honorable and extremely deadly opponents. I hope that 
even more will join us there next year to help keep our reputation alive & 
strong. 
 Our Outlands brothers have supported us at Gulf War, so please, let's do our 
Kingdom proud by continuing to support them, make that extra effort to attend 
Estrella War XX in Feb 2004.

Wayland
commander/Leg-Aus
Lt. Seawinds Shire Guard


From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 24 04:32:13 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 04:32:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <20030824113213.59140.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com>

We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures today or tomorrow!


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Knight Marshall
Incipient Canton of Chemin Noir
Barony of Northkeep
Kingdom of Ansteorra

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From isabeau at ansteorra.net  Sun Aug 24 07:42:40 2003
From: isabeau at ansteorra.net (isabeau)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:42:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <200308240942.AA225902792@ansteorra.net>

Wonderful!  (sorry about the c-section, though. they suck.)  August is a great month for birthdays, I had my twins on Aug 11th. 18 years ago (yikes!)

Congratulations to all and a big Welcome to Heather Louise :)

Isabeau
>We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures today or tomorrow!
>
>
>Lord Skerri Valtorsson
>Knight Marshall
>Incipient Canton of Chemin Noir
>Barony of Northkeep
>Kingdom of Ansteorra
>
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From isabeau at ansteorra.net  Sun Aug 24 07:56:19 2003
From: isabeau at ansteorra.net (isabeau)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:56:19 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <200308240956.AA259916076@ansteorra.net>

Welcome Heather Louise!


>We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures today or tomorrow!


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From cnetterville at ih2000.net  Sun Aug 24 08:32:16 2003
From: cnetterville at ih2000.net (charles netterville)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:32:16 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
References: <200308240956.AA259916076@ansteorra.net>
Message-ID: <001101c36a54$e7b064c0$266222d1@g1w3z6>

Congratulations and welcome to the newest subject of Ansteorra.
    August is indeed a wonderful time to be born. I did it myself on the
26th almost 37 years ago. The arrival of new life and unbounded joy is the
perfect way to celebrate one's birthday. Tell little Heather Louise thank
you for giving me just that opportunity this year. And unto the undoubtedly
beaming and proud parents, I say VIVAT!!! The fun begins now. In joyous
service, Elrique of Bordermarch
----- Original Message -----
From: "isabeau" <isabeau at ansteorra.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] baby update


> Welcome Heather Louise!
>
>
> >We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather
Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the
hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be
there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures
today or tomorrow!
>
>
> --
> Do not worry about what people are thinking about you--for they are not
thinking about you. They are wondering what you are thinking about them.
>
>
>
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From cnetterville at ih2000.net  Sun Aug 24 08:45:38 2003
From: cnetterville at ih2000.net (charles netterville)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:45:38 -0500
Subject: Fw: [Ansteorra] baby update
Message-ID: <002001c36a56$c4faac40$266222d1@g1w3z6>


----- Original Message -----
From: "charles netterville" <cnetterville at ih2000.net>
To: <isabeau at ansteorra.net>; "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
<ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] baby update


> Congratulations and welcome to the newest subject of Ansteorra.
>     August is indeed a wonderful time to be born. I did it myself on the
> 26th almost 37 years ago. The arrival of new life and unbounded joy is the
> perfect way to celebrate one's birthday. Tell little Heather Louise thank
> you for giving me just that opportunity this year. And unto the
undoubtedly
> beaming and proud parents, I say VIVAT!!! The fun begins now. In joyous
> service, Elrique of Bordermarch
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "isabeau" <isabeau at ansteorra.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] baby update
>
>
> > Welcome Heather Louise!
> >
> >
> > >We had the baby at 9:15 am on Saturday Aug 23rd.  her name is Heather
> Louise Stewart, 7 Lbs 7 1/2 oz, 20 1/2 inches long.  We found out at the
> hospital she had turned, and had to do a Caesarian section.  We will be
> there until Monday or Tuesday, and I will send out a couple of pictures
> today or tomorrow!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Do not worry about what people are thinking about you--for they are not
> thinking about you. They are wondering what you are thinking about them.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> >
> >
>




From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Sun Aug 24 09:05:04 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:05:04 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby update
In-Reply-To: <001101c36a54$e7b064c0$266222d1@g1w3z6>
Message-ID: <B95EF66D-D64C-11D7-83D5-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 10:32 AM, charles netterville wrote:
> Congratulations and welcome to the newest subject of Ansteorra.
>     August is indeed a wonderful time to be born. I did it myself on 
> the
> 26th almost 37 years ago. The arrival of new life and unbounded joy is 
> the
> perfect way to celebrate one's birthday. Tell little Heather Louise 
> thank
> you for giving me just that opportunity this year. And unto the 
> undoubtedly
> beaming and proud parents, I say VIVAT!!! The fun begins now. In joyous
> service, Elrique of Bordermarch

Greetings Elrique,

Congratulations, it seems we share the same birthday!

For those in the SCA who now have a baby there are a few files in the 
Florilegium that might be of interest. I highly recommend those that 
detail how to keep your baby safe at SCA camping events and those that 
might help ease the work of caring for your children. Here are a few 
from the CHILDREN section:
babies-msg       (103K)  2/ 2/01    Camping with babies.
baby-gifts-msg    (20K)  4/13/98    Period-type and SCA-useful baby 
gifts.
baby-slings-msg    (9K)  2/ 2/01    Cloth slings for carrying your baby.
child-wagons-msg   (7K)  9/27/99    Wagons for hauling children at 
events.
p-cradles-msg      (5K)  9/ 7/01    Period baby cradles.
teething-toys-msg (22K)  1/ 5/01    Period and SCA teething toys for 
infants.

And for those whose babies are still on the way:
pregnancy-msg      (9K)  9/ 3/99    Pregnancy in period. Handling it in 
the SCA.

...and for those who would like to start such a project in the future:
aphrodisiacs-msg  (15K)  7/31/01    Medieval aphrodisiacs.

Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****



From vscribe at ansteorra.org  Sun Aug 24 15:50:20 2003
From: vscribe at ansteorra.org (Ansteorra Virtual Scribe)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:50:20 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX
References: <134.24331130.2c79bd23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <028301c36a92$38c30420$31baee0c@c59303a>

I am looking forward to going again. But as Morgan stated below, we really
did not see many Ansteorrans. We hunted for about 2 hours through all the
campsites looking at all the banners. We found old Ansteorran's that moved
to other kingdoms, thank god for remembering old heraldry *grin*, but no one
current.

It was not until much later while shopping that I saw one of our siege
engines and a few members. I was very happy to see them. Then later still,
yes, the towers, I found them, I went the vigil, what a vigil it was. I have
to say. It has been at least a decade since I have seen a vigil like that.
He was indeed a well loved man. :)

I hope to be at Estrella 2004, although, hubby was not very happy when he
realized that 2003 happened to fall on the weekend of Valentines just a few
days before I was to depart even though I had discussed it with him and
purchased my tickets in 2002. Men, and you think we women confuse you, sigh.
;)

And yes, I will be teaching my glove class again, already getting many
inquiries! Yes, I will be taking orders for kits this time.

Chiara
Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <LrdWayland at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 2:02 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX


: Greetings,
:  I heard there was some bit of a discussion on this list about who all
went
: to Estrella War. I must have missed the thread, but I sure haven't missed
the
: event.
:  Many of us from Seawinds have been going to this event for several years.
We
: usually bring around 6 or more people, once we fielded 10 (I think)
fighters
: under the Ansteorran banner. We've gone as a Seawinds unit at times,
however,
: in the past three years we've fought as Legio Australis.
:  If you were there at the last Estrella, you may have seen our encampment.
We
: set up with our Outlands allies and erected two 3-story wooden towers as
our
: camp entrance. I cannot say enough about the wonderful hospitality shown
to us
: over the many years by our wonderful Outlands neighbors. They welcome us
as
: long lost brothers and are very thankful for our continued support.
:  Seawinds/Legio aren't the only Ansteorrans there by any means. I've seen
: many from our Kingdom fighting in other units, such as the Fray and as
: Ansteorrans with our Crown at times.
:  The event itself is totally awesome, great battles where warriors from
: Ansteorra shine upon the battlefield through our heroic deeds. I've heard
fighters
: from other kingdoms talking about us at the days end. Ansteorrans have a
well
: earned reputation as honorable and extremely deadly opponents. I hope that
: even more will join us there next year to help keep our reputation alive &
: strong.
:  Our Outlands brothers have supported us at Gulf War, so please, let's do
our
: Kingdom proud by continuing to support them, make that extra effort to
attend
: Estrella War XX in Feb 2004.
:
: Wayland
: commander/Leg-Aus
: Lt. Seawinds Shire Guard
: _______________________________________________


Chiara
Kingdom Vscribe, Ansteorra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <morgancain at earthlink.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] OOK Wars/Events


: I thought there were only six of us there - Chiara, Big Morgan, Master
Etc.
: Modius, and Their Majesties - because excepting Morgan (whom Chiara saw
: elsewhere) there were only five of us in court, and I didn't see any other
: specifically Ansteorran people there that I recall.
:
: I guessed there were more when I saw more than the two of us (Chiara and
: myself) listed on the volunteer posting post-war.  If you saw a
waterbearer
: in an Ansteorran tabard at Estrella this past year, it was one of us.
:
: I think the reason we-all didn't think the others were there is that
unlike
: last year, there wasn't a specifically Ansteorran Camp onsite.
:
:                              ---= Morgan
:
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: > Three attended from Northkeep... myself, Marcus Quietly,
: > and Lynn the Inquisitive.
: >
: > -zubeydah
: >
: > Karolus writes:
: >
: > I try to attend Estrella, in fact I prefer to go to that war over Gulf,
: but
: > I would say less than 10 Ansteorran's made it last year.  In fact I
think
: > we had the 8 in the rental car at War.
: >
: > Karolus
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From DonPieter at aol.com  Sun Aug 24 16:09:32 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:09:32 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <e.34b000ff.2c7a9fac@aol.com>

Does the site for gothic have a street address?

Pieter Rausch


From chiang at odsy.net  Sun Aug 24 21:37:40 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:37:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <e.34b000ff.2c7a9fac@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004001c36ac2$9ef40de0$5a50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

Not that I know of it. Do you need directions on how to get there? There is
a website with directions and information on this great event:
http://www.geocities.com/crossrodekeep/GothicWarXII/ . Hope this helps.
Yours in service,
HE Chiang

----- Original Message -----
From: <DonPieter at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 6:09 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address


> Does the site for gothic have a street address?
>
> Pieter Rausch





From ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 24 22:05:31 2003
From: ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net (Phelippe Descors)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:05:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War
Message-ID: <20030825050531.95254.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com>

Can someone please post the price to get into Gothic. 
There are no prices listed on the website.

     Phelippe


From dirkthedead at cox.net  Sun Aug 24 22:56:22 2003
From: dirkthedead at cox.net (Dirk the Dead)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:56:22 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War
References: <20030825050531.95254.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c36acd$9d0fbc80$68216d44@dl.cox.net>




Site is $12 ($3 Non-member fee)  Kids 5-12 are $5

Dirk the All Knowing

> Can someone please post the price to get into Gothic. 
> There are no prices listed on the website.
> 
>      Phelippe



From chiang at odsy.net  Sun Aug 24 22:55:17 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:55:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War
References: <20030825050531.95254.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006501c36acd$768714f0$5a50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

The prices are $12 for adults, $5 for kids 5-12, $3 NMS. I am not sure about
a family cap, but will see what I can find out, but most likely will be
about the same price as three adults.
Chiang, the ever helpful, well mostly anyway

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phelippe Descors" <ld_phelippe at sbcglobal.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 12:05 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War


> Can someone please post the price to get into Gothic.
> There are no prices listed on the website.
>
>      Phelippe





From edrei at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 25 04:32:11 2003
From: edrei at earthlink.net (David  Backlin)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:32:11 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] FINAL COUNTDOWN!!
Message-ID: <002d01c36afc$87c5dce0$d02afea9@gateway>

We are approaching the final countdown to Mid Summer Knights Dream in
Smythkepe. Can you believe it's this weekend?? My how time flies.

We have a lot of things planned: fighting (heavy and light), classes
(including COGA classes), a quest, bardic competition and so much more (and
of COURSE there's an anvil toss... would we forget the anvil toss?) Annnnnd,
it's a full weekend event as well, so you can come down Friday night and
have two full days of fun and excitment (or 2 full days of shopping the
merchants if that's what you like;) ).

We are getting ready to bring you the largest MSKD in recent memory, but
something is missing: YOU!!

Our Autocrat, Frederick has been fretting himself purple preparing for his
event, making sure everything will go on as planned.

Our feastocrat Geoffrey is slaving away in a hot kitchen preparing a
sumptious feast for everyone. If you don't come, he'll be very disappointed.


So come on down to our place for the weekend and share some Smythkepe
hospitality.

More details are available at the following website: www.smythkeeptavern.org


MSKD XI. This weekend! Be here! Aloha!




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From rs_teke at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 10:05:33 2003
From: rs_teke at yahoo.com (Christine Grosvenor)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:05:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Looking for Armor
In-Reply-To: <200308251700.h7PH03a01083@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <20030825170533.83527.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com>

The Shire of Tempio is looking to purchase used or
inexpensive armor for the use of loaner gear.  If any
groups or individuals have any gear they would like to
sell, please contact me off the list with information
on the items, their condition, and what you would want
for them.  rs_teke at yahoo.com

In Service, 
Renee' Grosvenor
Shire of Tempio

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From skerritheviking at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 10:13:43 2003
From: skerritheviking at yahoo.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:13:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] baby
Message-ID: <20030825171343.94874.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks, you alls, that is interesting about three now having the same b-day!  Virgos outweigh others in annis and mine's families.  Wonder what we were all doing in the winter?


Lord Skerri Valtorsson
Knight Marshall
Incipient Canton of Chemin Noir
Barony of Northkeep
Kingdom of Ansteorra

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From morgancain at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 25 10:18:59 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (morgancain at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:18:59 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Estrella War XX 
Message-ID: <184670-220038125171859744@M2W047.mail2web.com>

Has anybody thought of having a Kingdom camp at Estrella as is done
(mostly) at Pennsic?  Or is that heresy?

                     ---= the littler Morgan from Steppes


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From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 25 15:39:41 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:39:41 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030825173533.013b3cc4@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 11:37 PM 8/24/03 -0500, you wrote:

>Not that I know of it. Do you need directions on how to get there? There is
>a website with directions and information on this great event:
>http://www.geocities.com/crossrodekeep/GothicWarXII/ . Hope this helps.
>Yours in service,
>HE Chiang


Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
bottom, rather than the top.

	-Tivar Moondragon
	obsessive cartographer


From jtc at swordworks.org  Mon Aug 25 15:49:12 2003
From: jtc at swordworks.org (James Crouchet)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:49:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
In-Reply-To: <3F43BF26.26650.791D5D@localhost>
References: <3F43BF26.26650.791D5D@localhost>
Message-ID: <200308251749.12282.jtc@swordworks.org>

On Wednesday 20 August 2003 06:34 pm, Elizabeth Crouchet wrote:

> This increase in population is good for the SCA but it is straining  the
> resources of individual groups in the kingdom.  >IF< Ansteorra divided
> >right now< into two kingdoms, they would still be of a comparable size
> as far as numbers of groups goes, with other SCA kingdoms. That is why
> our calendar is more crowded than those kingdom's calendars. I just hope
> that our population size makes it possible for us to host successfully
> that many more events at a time.

Well, we are much bigger than a small kingdom like the Outlands with ony 30 
groups but large kingdoms have as many groups as us. The East, for 
example, which has something like 75 groups in 4 regions. The Middle has 
84 in 4 regions and that does not count the 35 in the soon to be kingdom 
of Northshield. Yes, those are big kingdoms but they manage their calendar 
somehow. Perhaps we should look over some of their ideas and see if they 
are worth stealing. ;-)

Besides, if a new kingdom splits off from the Middle they only have to stop 
being from the Middle. If a new kingdom split off from Ansteorra they 
would have to stop being Ansteorran!

;-)

CD




From jtc at swordworks.org  Mon Aug 25 15:51:52 2003
From: jtc at swordworks.org (James Crouchet)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:51:52 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Playing on bartered time: another Sidebar Question
In-Reply-To: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
References: <E19pgZ6-0002zc-00@flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200308251751.52841.jtc@swordworks.org>

On Wednesday 20 August 2003 10:55 pm, Elaine Crittenden wrote:
> An impish little thought just jumped into my brain:
>
> Why couldn't a Barony which has an extra event date they don't want to
> use barter the date to another group that wants a date and can't because
> of limitations? I am thinking along the lines of politicians who have a
> certain number of minutes to speak and yield part or all of the time the
> former is alotted to another politician for the latter's use.
>
> Next question:
> Now just what could one barter for time? Hmmmmm. Interesting
> ponderance...

I can see it now: a thriving new business in black market calendar dates.

;-)

Dor?




From celestria_ledragon at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 16:20:22 2003
From: celestria_ledragon at yahoo.com (Celestria LeDragon)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:20:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Book of Hours Exhibition
Message-ID: <20030825232022.61237.qmail@web80212.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings,
 
At the Kimball Museum in Fort Worth during October 12, 2003?January 18, 2004 they will have 58 pages of books of hours including The luxuriant Hours of Catherine of Cleves.
Here is the website.
 
http://www.kimbellart.org/exhibitions/exh_file.cfm?id=100
 
 
In Service
Lady Celestria leDragon




 


From DonPieter at aol.com  Mon Aug 25 16:29:35 2003
From: DonPieter at aol.com (DonPieter at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:29:35 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <136.23875a53.2c7bf5df@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/25/2003 5:43:40 PM Central Standard Time, 
moondrgn at austin.rr.com writes:

> 
> Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
> bottom, rather than the top.
> 
>   -Tivar Moondragon
>   obsessive cartographer
> 

Yre, I looked at it and figured that. 
Pieter
Another obsessive cartographer


From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 25 17:43:46 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:43:46 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <BAY1-F44bj36Kn1FS7400009da1@hotmail.com>

Is is "just" upside down or is it upside down and backwards? Not that sure 
of west Ansteorra.

plachoya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra

>
>
>Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
>bottom, rather than the top.
>
>	-Tivar Moondragon
>	obsessive cartographer

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From cellach at breezykilt.com  Mon Aug 25 18:03:37 2003
From: cellach at breezykilt.com (Cellach Ferguson)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:03:37 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <052601c36b6d$eddf7d80$1108a8c0@bobby>

> Besides, if a new kingdom splits off from the Middle they only have to stop
> being from the Middle. If a new kingdom split off from Ansteorra they
> would have to stop being Ansteorran!


Clearly, this is the most persuasive bit of argument I've yet to hear on this subject!

Cellach Ferguson
Alba Gu Brath!


From valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 25 18:57:44 2003
From: valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com (John Yates)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>

   Missed most of the many posts in this thread  for
the past couple of weeks, but the last couple that
mentioned a kingdom coming out of Ansteorra would have
the people stop calling themselves Ansteorrans.
  Can you see the conversation:
1. "You stop being an  Ansteorran!"
2. "No, YOU stop being an Ansteorran!"
   A little levity (hopefully,) in your Monday
evening.

Regards,
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From ferret at hot.rr.com  Mon Aug 25 19:34:17 2003
From: ferret at hot.rr.com (Paul DeLisle)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:34:17 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CCEDJGIDBGOMKABAAKMBMECMEDAA.ferret@hot.rr.com>

>    Missed most of the many posts in this thread  for
> the past couple of weeks, but the last couple that
> mentioned a kingdom coming out of Ansteorra would have
> the people stop calling themselves Ansteorrans.
>   Can you see the conversation:
> 1. "You stop being an  Ansteorran!"
> 2. "No, YOU stop being an Ansteorran!"
>    A little levity (hopefully,) in your Monday evening.
> Regards, Valstarr

....But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head, and
every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks we're
too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split when
somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
Alden
(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )




From PKieferjr at aol.com  Mon Aug 25 19:47:31 2003
From: PKieferjr at aol.com (PKieferjr at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:47:31 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <1c1.e206ce3.2c7c2443@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time, 
ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head, and
every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks we're
too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split when
somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
Alden
(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....

...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?  
Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a 
nuke on us.

Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
(Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)


From swieland at direcway.com  Mon Aug 25 20:17:47 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:17:47 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:  Was
	Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <1c1.e206ce3.2c7c2443@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>

At 10:47 PM 8/25/03 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
>ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
>But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
>least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head, and
>every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks we're
>too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split when
>somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
>Alden
>(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
>Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....
>
>...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?
>Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
>nuke on us.
>
>Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
>(Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)

Heh heh.....reminds me of the mundane country-western song called "I'm in a 
Texas State of Mind"...

Damaris
(wearing asbestos armor for the flames from the Oklahoman 
Ansteorrans)  (geez this is getting complicated) 




From chiang at odsy.net  Mon Aug 25 20:54:12 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:54:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <BAY1-F44bj36Kn1FS7400009da1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c36b85$b6ca9ce0$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

Hey! No picking on us from the Western Region. I personally shall punish the
one who was responsible for doing the map.
So turn the map over, use it and come to Gothic. Have as much fun as allowed
by law.
Chiang, staunch defender of the Western Region

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Bilings" <humble_archer at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address


> Is is "just" upside down or is it upside down and backwards? Not that sure
> of west Ansteorra.
>
> plachoya
>
> humble archer
> Ravens Fort Ansteorra
>
> >
> >
> >Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
> >bottom, rather than the top.
> >
> > -Tivar Moondragon
> > obsessive cartographer





From chiang at odsy.net  Mon Aug 25 20:57:11 2003
From: chiang at odsy.net ( HE Chiang)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:57:11 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
	WasEvent Limits
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <007201c36b86$21213540$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>

And was there not a song "You're the reason God made Oklahoma"
Chiang, closet country fan

----- Original Message -----
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
WasEvent Limits


>
> Heh heh.....reminds me of the mundane country-western song called "I'm in
a
> Texas State of Mind"...
>
> Damaris
> (wearing asbestos armor for the flames from the Oklahoman
> Ansteorrans)  (geez this is getting complicated)
>




From dirkthedead at cox.net  Mon Aug 25 21:23:21 2003
From: dirkthedead at cox.net (Dirk the Dead)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:23:21 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <BAY1-F44bj36Kn1FS7400009da1@hotmail.com>
	<006c01c36b85$b6ca9ce0$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>
Message-ID: <004101c36b89$c8d1f380$68216d44@dl.cox.net>


Wow.. I didn't even realize it was upside down adn I live out here.. Of
course, having been to the site a few times, I wasn't to worried about the
map part (well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it)


Oh, and you can (and possibly will) have more fun than is allowed by law..
just don't get caught.....

...within reason of course.....


Dirk the very possibly soon to be Lost




> Hey! No picking on us from the Western Region. I personally shall punish
the
> one who was responsible for doing the map.
> So turn the map over, use it and come to Gothic. Have as much fun as
allowed
> by law.
> Chiang, staunch defender of the Western Region
>



From ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 25 21:46:13 2003
From: ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net (Lady Deirdre)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:46:13 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
References: <1c1.e206ce3.2c7c2443@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c36b8c$fac7d6e0$c27f8a42@gateway.2wire.net>

I will always be Ansteorran, even though I currently reside in another
kingdom.
Deirdre

----- Original Message -----
From: <PKieferjr at aol.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits


> In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
> ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
> But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
> least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head,
and
> every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks
we're
> too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split
when
> somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
> Alden
> (Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
> Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....
>
> ...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a
location?
> Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
> nuke on us.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
> (Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra



From cchipman at nomadics.com  Mon Aug 25 21:46:57 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:46:57 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
	WasEvent Limits
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <00f701c36b8d$14a5d940$0f00000a@nomadics.com>

Eh, there's already enough dead horses around here...

JP,
Okla-Ansteorran-who's-going-to-gothic-this-weekend-are-you-happy-Chiang-


Carl Chipman
Nomadics, Inc.
cchipman at nomadics.com
http://www.nomadics.com


-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Susan Wieland
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:18 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
WasEvent Limits

At 10:47 PM 8/25/03 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
>ferret at hot.rr.com writes:
>But the *really* funny part is that the argument hasn't changed for (at
>least) the last 18 years... (every few years, it raises it's ugly head,
and
>every few years, it's shot down by the same problem....everyone thinks
we're
>too big, but no-one wants to stop being an Ansteorran. We'll only split
when
>somebody *doesn't* want to be Ansteorran.)
>Alden
>(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
>Pardon me for being the jarring, odd voice in the wilderness....
>
>...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a
location?
>Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they
dropped a
>nuke on us.
>
>Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
>(Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)

Heh heh.....reminds me of the mundane country-western song called "I'm
in a 
Texas State of Mind"...

Damaris
(wearing asbestos armor for the flames from the Oklahoman 
Ansteorrans)  (geez this is getting complicated) 


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From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Mon Aug 25 22:09:08 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:09:08 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] dead horses
In-Reply-To: <00f701c36b8d$14a5d940$0f00000a@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <6C3FFEF0-D783-11D7-83D5-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 11:46 PM, Carl Chipman wrote:
> Eh, there's already enough dead horses around here...
Well, might as well make use of them. See this file in the Florilegium:
horse-recipes-msg (32K)  3/ 2/03    Period horse recipes. References.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-MEATS/horse-recipes-msg.html

Hmmm. What evidence do we have for leather made from horsehide in 
period?
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
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From humble_archer at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 26 03:20:06 2003
From: humble_archer at hotmail.com (Harry Bilings)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 05:20:06 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <BAY1-F145VHXZ6nuHWk00002a5d@hotmail.com>

Not picking. I knew the map was upside down but not if it is backwards.

plachooya

humble archer
Ravens Fort Ansteorra
>
>Hey! No picking on us from the Western Region. I personally shall punish 
>the
>one who was responsible for doing the map.
>So turn the map over, use it and come to Gothic. Have as much fun as 
>allowed
>by law.
>Chiang, staunch defender of the Western Region
>

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From swieland at direcway.com  Tue Aug 26 04:01:25 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 06:01:25 -0500
Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom  Splitting:
	WasEvent Limits
In-Reply-To: <007201c36b86$21213540$7d50cf40@yourozqwz45srp>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>

At 10:57 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:
>And was there not a song "You're the reason God made Oklahoma"
>Chiang, closet country fan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>Subject: Ansteorran State of Mind (Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting:
>WasEvent Limits

I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby 
in the SCA.   It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA.  Ansteorra was 
hosting it.  We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena 
in Burnet Texas.  Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and 
was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands".  So he was doing a 
cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell.  Then he suddenly said, "How do you 
spell Ansteorra?"  My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up, 
"T-E-X-A-S".  Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and 
they were NOT amused.  LOL.

Damaris

In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is 
weird and people take Prozac to make it normal




From isobail at mail.ev1.net  Mon Aug 25 19:58:50 2003
From: isobail at mail.ev1.net (isobail)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:58:50 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] In Search of Several People
Message-ID: <200308252158.AA6553746@mail.ev1.net>


Please pardon the intrusion--
 
Could the following people please contact me at isobail at ev1.net it 
concerns the upcoming Ravensfort Defender event (September 19-22, 
2003)
 
Duke Kien
Don Robert
Lady Meriabella (spelling may be wrong--she is from Tempio and is 
our A&S champion)
Lord Nathan of Gates Edge
HL Gerald of Leesvile
HE Neassa
 
Thank you very much
 
In Service I Remain...
 
Lady Isobail inghean Gilla Chriosd
Ravensfort Reeve
isobail at ev1.net
 

________________________________________________________________
Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net


 
                   


From pippermint at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 26 07:34:25 2003
From: pippermint at sbcglobal.net (Paula Hanna)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:34:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Bonwicke's Twelfth Night & Pre-Twelfth Night College
Message-ID: <20030826143425.56235.qmail@web80213.mail.yahoo.com>

Unto the Noble State of Ansteorra does the Baroness of Bonwicke and Steward of her
Twelfth Night Celebration send greetings.

This missive will be long, but I guarantee there will be something for everyone. If
you get restless before the end, scroll to the heading that interests you most and
start reading from there. ;o) Bonwicke's Twelfth Night - set for December 13th - is
fast approaching, and we wish to invite all of Ansteorra to attend. Great things are
in store this year as we will be hosting a Masquerade Ball in addition to a whole
day brimming with activities.

The schedule is shaping up as follows:

? High Persona Chivalric Tournament and Helm Crest Competition
? Rapier Tournament and Decorated Buckler Competition
? Titled Arts and Sciences Champion of Bonwicke
? Period Sweets and Finger Foods Competition
? Masked Dance and Best Mask Competition
? Grand Italian Feast
? Pre-Twelfth Night College / Oct 18
? Other activities may include charter painting, dance classes and mask-making
activities for the children.

High Persona Chivalric Tournament and Helm Crest Competition:
---
This tournament will most likely be a tourney of counted blows with a nod to the
whim of the Ladies' Gallery. Fighters entering the list must be accompanied by a
consort and must present themselves, their consort and their helm crest (and arms,
etc.) to the gallery via herald. Feel free to display as much pomp and circumstance
in doing so as you like. Please bring your arms on a shield no larger than 8x10 for
the shield tree. The helm crest competition will be judged indoors by the populace.
Displays would be lovely. Helm crests will not have to be fought in merely presented
before the tourney.

Rapier Tournament and Decorated Buckler Competition:
---
The nature of this tournament is yet undecided, but again those who would enter the
list must have a consort, and must present themselves, their consort and their
decorated buckler to the gallery via herald. Again, pomp is always welcomed. The
decorated buckler will be judged indoors by the populace. Displays are a good thing.
---
Most likely, the helm crests and bucklers will be obtained from their displays,
presented before the gallery and returned to their displays afterwards for judging.

Titled Arts and Sciences Champion of Bonwicke:
---
I am calling all artists of Ansteorra who would vie for the title of Bonwicke's
Champion Artisan. As Twelfth Night is a Masquerade Ball, the theme of the Arts &
Sciences shall be "Celebration in Bonwicke". Whether one choses to depict a scene of
celebration, something worn or partaken of in celebration, or merely an object
bearing red and gold, Bonwicke's fair colors, is up to the artist. Be limited only
by your imagination; these are merely suggestions. Points are to be awarded on the
usage of both the theme of "celebration" and "Bonwicke". Please come bearing a
letter of intent and documentation. 

Period Sweets and Finger Foods Competition:
---
We will be holding a period sweets and finger foods contest around mid-afternoon
when the tourneys are waning and before court (and ultimately dinner). Again this
will be judged by popular vote. As the kitchen will be devoted to preparing the
feast for the evening, the food in the competition needs to be as low maintenance as
possible - preferably something that is prepared before arrival that will stand up
well at room tempurature or something that the participants have the means to handle
without the use of the kitchen (with ice chests, crock pots, warmers, etc.)

Masked Dance and Best Mask Competition:
---
This will include, obviously, dancing, and the best mask competition will again be
judged by the populace. It is undecided if the masks will be displayed for the
judging or be judged while being worn during the Ball, but details will, as always,
be forthcoming. 

Pre-Twelfth Night College:
--- 
For any wishing to attend, there will be a pre-Twelfth Night college on Saturday,
October 18th to make ready for the grand event. It will be held in the Barony of
Bonwicke (Lubbock, Tx) at the Canterbury Student Center, 2407 16th St (16th & one
block east of (Texas Tech) University Ave.). Please visit our website
(www.bonwicke.org) for updates on times and maps.

These kind people have graciously volunteered to share their knowledge October 18th:

Period Dance:
Lord William Rufus Guthrie and Lady Elisabeth Quartermain de Guthrie
and Lady Melissant d'Aulnay the Capricious (Capricia)

Mask-Making:
Lady Serafina de Gratia

Helm Crest-Making:
Lord Jasper Codrington

Buckler Construction/Decoration:
Honorable Lord Toshiro Koi

Please join us on this day to prepare for the upcoming Ball, and I look forward to
seeing everyone at Bonwicke'e Twelfth Night!

Thank you for enduring to the end of this tome. Any additional questions,
suggestions or comments may be directed to me, Baroness Oriana, at
pippermint at sbcglobal.net. And thanks go to all who have volunteered and
all who plan on attending. 

Simply,
Oriana della Francesca
Lady Bonwicke
Twelfth Night & Pre-Twelfth Night College Steward


From j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu  Tue Aug 26 08:55:06 2003
From: j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu (j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:55:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1061913306.3f4b82da0fad0@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>

If it ever happens, there will either be :

a) a principality within Ansteorra which would heve developed enough of it's 
own identity to not be bothered be not being "Ansteorra"

or

b) if the kingdom split without going through a principality stage, why not, as 
someone suggested, use something along the lines or North/South Ansteorra?  For 
that matter a principality could conceivably do the same (as in the case of 
West Virginia [a state, not a principality<G>]

As there doesn't seem to be any big push to split our kingdom, it's all 
hypothetical anyway.<G>

Ansgar

Quoting John Yates <valstarr_hawkwind at yahoo.com>:

>    Missed most of the many posts in this thread  for
> the past couple of weeks, but the last couple that
> mentioned a kingdom coming out of Ansteorra would have
> the people stop calling themselves Ansteorrans.
>   Can you see the conversation:
> 1. "You stop being an  Ansteorran!"
> 2. "No, YOU stop being an Ansteorran!"
>    A little levity (hopefully,) in your Monday
> evening.
> 
> Regards,
> Valstarr


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From russ at randomgang.com  Tue Aug 26 09:04:51 2003
From: russ at randomgang.com (R. Smith)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:04:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <1061913306.3f4b82da0fad0@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
References: <20030826015744.5892.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>
	<1061913306.3f4b82da0fad0@mcgee1.sfasu.edu>
Message-ID: <5352736.1061895891@oklahoma-y03tgc.okstate.edu>



--On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:55 AM -0500 j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu wrote:

> As there doesn't seem to be any big push to split our kingdom, it's all
> hypothetical anyway.<G>

Yes, I was kind of mystified where that abruptly came from.  I suppose 
perhaps people mentioning principality, but it's not a necessary conclusion 
of principalities (c.f. Principality of the Mists, et al.)

Chandra

-- 
Lord Chandranath <russ{at}randomgang.com>
Cadet to Don Timothy la Corbusier
Apprentice to Master Beorthlic Folkwineson
"Per pale sable and gules, a decrescent argent."





From Medicfem at aol.com  Tue Aug 26 10:48:06 2003
From: Medicfem at aol.com (Medicfem at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:48:06 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <10f.252c0727.2c7cf756@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/26/03 8:58:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:

> b) if the kingdom split without going through a principality stage, why 
> not, as 
> someone suggested, use something along the lines or North/South Ansteorra?  
> For 
> that matter a principality could conceivably do the same (as in the case of 
> West Virginia [a state, not a principality<G>]

Being of one of the southern most shires in this kingdom, I must reply. 
"South Ansteorra" ....  I don't like the sound of it. It is a dead horse.  
The last three groups to the south in Ansteorra are coastal shires. We are 
kind of unified. Often the only people that consistantly go to each others 
events are those from these three sister shires.  I feel when it comes to the 
breaking of a kingdom, many alliances have already been forged that would be 
difficult to break. Our motto... We keep the Kings coast... not the Prince's coast. 
with love for the mamouth size kingdom of ANSTEORRA,

Lady Caley of Lancashire
Shire of Seawinds -  Celebrating 20 years as a proud Ansteorran shire in 2004



From jerryn at houston.rr.com  Tue Aug 26 11:13:36 2003
From: jerryn at houston.rr.com (jerryn at houston.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:13:36 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: In Search of Several People
Message-ID: <16b2db16aaec.16aaec16b2db@texas.rr.com>

replied to privately

In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
HL Gerald of Leesville
Ravenskald of Ravensfort
A Bard of Stargate
Kingdom Ansteorra.



From galenbv at ix.netcom.com  Tue Aug 26 14:05:44 2003
From: galenbv at ix.netcom.com (Galen W. Bevel)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:05:44 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
Message-ID: <410-22003822621544743@ix.netcom.com>




> On Wednesday 20 August 2003 06:34 pm, Elizabeth Crouchet wrote:
> Well, we are much bigger than a small kingdom like the Outlands with ony
30 
> groups but large kingdoms have as many groups as us. The East, for 
> example, which has something like 75 groups in 4 regions. The Middle has 
> 84 in 4 regions and that does not count the 35 in the soon to be kingdom 
> of Northshield. Yes, those are big kingdoms but they manage their
calendar 
> somehow. Perhaps we should look over some of their ideas and see if they 
> are worth stealing. ;-)
>
>
> CD
>


Years ago when I was Kingdom seneschal I checked into other Kingdom's
practices because our calendar was getting out of hand even then.  If I
remember correctly, one of the more common ways that large kingdoms handled
the problem then was to lock down their calendar very early.  My faulty
memory seems to remember that the Middle was one of these, but I could
easily be wrong.  What I mean is that _all_ events are scheduled in the
previous year.  If you want to have an event on the calendar in 2004, you
must have it approved, and all the paperwork done and turned in to the KS
in time to make the deadline so that the calendar for the entire year can
be published in the January Kingdom newsletter.  That means if you want to
have a 2004 Yule revel, you would probably have to get  the paperwork into
the kingdom by at least November 2003 so they have time to put together the
calendar and make the December 1st deadline for the January BlackStar. I
believe that some Kingdoms had an even earlier deadline,like June or so,to
allow lead time for the January events.  Taken to extremes, it could end up
meaning that you would have to do the paperwork on your event from 1.5 to 2
years in advance. Not necessarily a proponent or opponent of this idea, it
was just one that I remembered that I thought you all might like to hear.  

Graf Galen Kirchenbauer



From ulfie at cox.net  Tue Aug 26 23:25:42 2003
From: ulfie at cox.net (Ulf Gunnarsson)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:25:42 -0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <1061953612.2863.15.camel@chuckles.cafecanem.com>

On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby 
> in the SCA.   It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA.  Ansteorra was 
> hosting it.  We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena 
> in Burnet Texas.  Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and 
> was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands".  So he was doing a 
> cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell.  Then he suddenly said, "How do you 
> spell Ansteorra?"  My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up, 
> "T-E-X-A-S".  Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and 
> they were NOT amused.  LOL.


THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em.   :)

Ulf, Baron of Namron
(Dang, that was a fun event...)



From swieland at direcway.com  Wed Aug 27 04:07:04 2003
From: swieland at direcway.com (Susan Wieland)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:07:04 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
In-Reply-To: <1061953612.2863.15.camel@chuckles.cafecanem.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20030826055139.00a17250@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030827060323.00a2d680@pop3.direcway.com>

At 01:24 AM 8/27/03 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> > I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby
> > in the SCA.   It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA.  Ansteorra was
> > hosting it.  We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena
> > in Burnet Texas.  Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and
> > was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands".  So he was doing a
> > cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell.  Then he suddenly said, "How do 
> you
> > spell Ansteorra?"  My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up,
> > "T-E-X-A-S".  Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and
> > they were NOT amused.  LOL.
>
>
>THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em.   :)
>
>Ulf, Baron of Namron
>(Dang, that was a fun event...)

It was my ex.....and I have no idea where she is now or what she is 
doing.  Heh, heh.....not sure that I really want to know either.

It was fun...Rowan, Queen BROA.  All those swords in the air when she came 
in for grand court.  It was almost a "you are there moment".

Damaris 




From letebts at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 27 09:46:00 2003
From: letebts at earthlink.net (Elaine Crittenden)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:46:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <E19s3O4-0000es-00@pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex" (East), "Wessex" (West), 
"Sussex" (South), and the like?

Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South Carolina," etc.?

Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
J'es' wond'rin'....   ;-)

----------
>From: PKieferjr at aol.com
>
> ...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?
> Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
> nuke on us.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
> (Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra


From seirra78415 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 27 11:24:54 2003
From: seirra78415 at yahoo.com (inez stock)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:24:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 43
In-Reply-To: <200308271700.h7RH07a11134@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <20030827182454.41464.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com>

I do not understand why the kingdom needs to be spilt. I am coming in late on this. could somone please tell me why they would spilt up such a good thing if it is not broken do not fixs it.  In service to the kingdom Lady Mary Bradford.

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits (Medicfem at aol.com)
2. Re: In Search of Several People (jerryn at houston.rr.com)
3. Re: Event Limits? (Galen W. Bevel)
4. Re: Ansteorran State of Mind (Ulf Gunnarsson)
5. Re: Re: Ansteorran State of Mind (Susan Wieland)
6. Re: Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits (Elaine Crittenden)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:48:06 EDT
From: Medicfem at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

In a message dated 8/26/03 8:58:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
j_smallw at titan.sfasu.edu writes:

> b) if the kingdom split without going through a principality stage, why 
> not, as 
> someone suggested, use something along the lines or North/South Ansteorra? 
> For 
> that matter a principality could conceivably do the same (as in the case of 
> West Virginia [a state, not a principality]

Being of one of the southern most shires in this kingdom, I must reply. 
"South Ansteorra" .... I don't like the sound of it. It is a dead horse. 
The last three groups to the south in Ansteorra are coastal shires. We are 
kind of unified. Often the only people that consistantly go to each others 
events are those from these three sister shires. I feel when it comes to the 
breaking of a kingdom, many alliances have already been forged that would be 
difficult to break. Our motto... We keep the Kings coast... not the Prince's coast. 
with love for the mamouth size kingdom of ANSTEORRA,

Lady Caley of Lancashire
Shire of Seawinds - Celebrating 20 years as a proud Ansteorran shire in 2004


------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:13:36 -0500
From: jerryn at houston.rr.com
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: In Search of Several People
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Message-ID: <16b2db16aaec.16aaec16b2db at texas.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

replied to privately

In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am
HL Gerald of Leesville
Ravenskald of Ravensfort
A Bard of Stargate
Kingdom Ansteorra.


------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:05:44 -0500
From: "Galen W. Bevel" 
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Message-ID: <410-22003822621544743 at ix.netcom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII




> On Wednesday 20 August 2003 06:34 pm, Elizabeth Crouchet wrote:
> Well, we are much bigger than a small kingdom like the Outlands with ony
30 
> groups but large kingdoms have as many groups as us. The East, for 
> example, which has something like 75 groups in 4 regions. The Middle has 
> 84 in 4 regions and that does not count the 35 in the soon to be kingdom 
> of Northshield. Yes, those are big kingdoms but they manage their
calendar 
> somehow. Perhaps we should look over some of their ideas and see if they 
> are worth stealing. ;-)
>
>
> CD
>


Years ago when I was Kingdom seneschal I checked into other Kingdom's
practices because our calendar was getting out of hand even then. If I
remember correctly, one of the more common ways that large kingdoms handled
the problem then was to lock down their calendar very early. My faulty
memory seems to remember that the Middle was one of these, but I could
easily be wrong. What I mean is that _all_ events are scheduled in the
previous year. If you want to have an event on the calendar in 2004, you
must have it approved, and all the paperwork done and turned in to the KS
in time to make the deadline so that the calendar for the entire year can
be published in the January Kingdom newsletter. That means if you want to
have a 2004 Yule revel, you would probably have to get the paperwork into
the kingdom by at least November 2003 so they have time to put together the
calendar and make the December 1st deadline for the January BlackStar. I
believe that some Kingdoms had an even earlier deadline,like June or so,to
allow lead time for the January events. Taken to extremes, it could end up
meaning that you would have to do the paperwork on your event from 1.5 to 2
years in advance. Not necessarily a proponent or opponent of this idea, it
was just one that I remembered that I thought you all might like to hear. 

Graf Galen Kirchenbauer


------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: 27 Aug 2003 01:24:42 -0500
From: Ulf Gunnarsson 
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
To: Kingdom of "Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Message-ID: <1061953612.2863.15.camel at chuckles.cafecanem.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby 
> in the SCA. It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA. Ansteorra was 
> hosting it. We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena 
> in Burnet Texas. Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and 
> was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands". So he was doing a 
> cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell. Then he suddenly said, "How do you 
> spell Ansteorra?" My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up, 
> "T-E-X-A-S". Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and 
> they were NOT amused. LOL.


THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em. :)

Ulf, Baron of Namron
(Dang, that was a fun event...)


------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:07:04 -0500
From: Susan Wieland 
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030827060323.00a2d680 at pop3.direcway.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

At 01:24 AM 8/27/03 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:01, Susan Wieland wrote:
> > I'm reminded of an incident that occured some years back when I was a baby
> > in the SCA. It was the 25 year celebration of the SCA. Ansteorra was
> > hosting it. We were getting ready to have Grand Court in the rodeo arena
> > in Burnet Texas. Master Pepin was at his best as a court fool/jester and
> > was trying to stir up spirit in the "stands". So he was doing a
> > cheerleader style "Gimmee an 'A'" yell. Then he suddenly said, "How do 
> you
> > spell Ansteorra?" My smartass ex (who was a UT grad) pipes up,
> > "T-E-X-A-S". Well the folks sitting in front of us where from Namron and
> > they were NOT amused. LOL.
>
>
>THAT was YOU!!?! Send me your ex... I wanna talk to 'em. :)
>
>Ulf, Baron of Namron
>(Dang, that was a fun event...)

It was my ex.....and I have no idea where she is now or what she is 
doing. Heh, heh.....not sure that I really want to know either.

It was fun...Rowan, Queen BROA. All those swords in the air when she came 
in for grand court. It was almost a "you are there moment".

Damaris 



------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:46:00 -0500
From: "Elaine Crittenden" 
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." ,
ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex" (East), "Wessex" (West), 
"Sussex" (South), and the like?

Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South Carolina," etc.?

Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
J'es' wond'rin'.... ;-)

----------
>From: PKieferjr at aol.com
>
> ...but isn't being an Ansteorran more about a state of mind than a location?
> Somehow, I don't think we'll stop being Ansteorrans even if they dropped a
> nuke on us.
>
> Lord Johann Kiefer Hayden (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
> (Not quite a fossil, but getting there.)
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra

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From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 12:11:01 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:11:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <Law11-F39YHkidcDjoY0000735d@hotmail.com>

If you want an earful on the Dakota Territory becomming two states and the 
briggands from South Dakota stealing the name, catch me at an event 
sometime.  :)

Morgan
North Dakota Native
Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.


From: "Elaine Crittenden" <letebts at earthlink.net>


Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex" (East), "Wessex" (West),
"Sussex" (South), and the like?

Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South Carolina," etc.?

Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
J'es' wond'rin'....   ;-)

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From ecrouchet at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 12:16:29 2003
From: ecrouchet at austin.rr.com (Elizabeth Crouchet)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:16:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 3, Issue 43
In-Reply-To: <20030827182454.41464.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <200308271700.h7RH07a11134@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <3F4CBD3D.4700.692D0B@localhost>

On 27 Aug 2003 at 11:24, inez stock wrote:

> I do not understand why the kingdom needs to be spilt. I am coming in
> late on this. could somone please tell me why they would spilt up such
> a good thing if it is not broken do not fixs it.  In service to the
> kingdom Lady Mary Bradford.
> 

I do not believe any one is actually advocating splitting the kingdom, although creating a 
principality or two has been discussed in the past. I think right now it is just a 
hypothetical exercise in response to crowded calendar issues. And, we seem to be 
agreed that actually splitting the kingdom right now would not necessarily solve THAT 
problem.
However, it poses fascinating what-if exploration of cultural or anthropological issues. 
And it seems to be  spurring a little patriotism, which is never a bad thing if we don't get 
carried away with it. 

Just my observations,

Claire 


From dbw6969 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 27 12:40:54 2003
From: dbw6969 at yahoo.com (David Whitford)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:40:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F39YHkidcDjoY0000735d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030827194054.69605.qmail@web11802.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
Are you here yet?
 Robert
> 
> Morgan
> North Dakota Native
> Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.
> 
> 
> From: "Elaine Crittenden" <letebts at earthlink.net>
> 
> 
> Wonder how the people felt when becoming "Essex"
> (East), "Wessex" (West),
> "Sussex" (South), and the like?
> 
> Or, later on, "North/South Dakota," "North/South
> Carolina," etc.?
> 
> Lete Bithespring (Steppes/Dallas)
> J'es' wond'rin'....   ;-)
> 
> -
> 
>
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From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 13:33:12 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:33:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <Law11-F46saJbqJGNzs000076b8@hotmail.com>

They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.  :)

Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran


From: David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com>

Are you here yet?
  Robert

--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:

 >
 > Morgan
 > North Dakota Native
 > Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.

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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Wed Aug 27 13:43:29 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:43:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F46saJbqJGNzs000076b8@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <019301c36cdb$df7a07a0$0f00000a@nomadics.com>

Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...

Jean Paul :)


Carl Chipman
Nomadics, Inc.
cchipman at nomadics.com
http://www.nomadics.com


-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Michael Smith
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:33 PM
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits

They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
:)

Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran


From: David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com>

Are you here yet?
  Robert

--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:

 >
 > Morgan
 > North Dakota Native
 > Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.



From morganbuchanan at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 14:44:46 2003
From: morganbuchanan at hotmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:44:46 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
References: <019301c36cdb$df7a07a0$0f00000a@nomadics.com>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE37GWSa1aNEV0000046e@hotmail.com>

Won't happen.  Even if you kill me, it'd be MONTHS before my fingers get
cold in west Texas!  :)

Morgan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Chipman"


> Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...
>
> Jean Paul :)
>
>
> Carl Chipman
> Nomadics, Inc.
> cchipman at nomadics.com
> http://www.nomadics.com
>
>

>
> They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
> :)
>
> Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran



From mtucker at airmail.net  Wed Aug 27 14:58:28 2003
From: mtucker at airmail.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE37GWSa1aNEV0000046e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9735B0B2-D8D9-11D7-BC9B-0030657DF28A@airmail.net>


On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 04:44  PM, Michael Smith wrote:

> Won't happen.  Even if you kill me, it'd be MONTHS before my fingers 
> get
> cold in west Texas!  :)
>
> Morgan
>

Thanks, Morgan. That's the funniest thing I've read on this list in a 
while. Actually laughed out loud. :-)

Michael Silverhands



From eirik at hot.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 15:00:12 2003
From: eirik at hot.rr.com (Ron)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:00:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE37GWSa1aNEV0000046e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601c36ce6$9a0e4450$1402a8c0@eirik>

Ah, the wonders of dry ice.

Eirik

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org 
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Michael Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:45 PM
> To: cchipman at nomadics.com; Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
> 
> 
> Won't happen.  Even if you kill me, it'd be MONTHS before my 
> fingers get cold in west Texas!  :)
> 
> Morgan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Chipman"
> 
> 
> > Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...
> >
> > Jean Paul :)
> >
> >
> > Carl Chipman
> > Nomadics, Inc.
> > cchipman at nomadics.com
> > http://www.nomadics.com
> >
> >
> 
> >
> > They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead 
> > fingers.
> > :)
> >
> > Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran
> 
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From rixende at mail2noble.com  Wed Aug 27 06:28:19 2003
From: rixende at mail2noble.com (Jhan Knebel)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:28:19 -0700
Subject: [Ansteorra] Scribal Go Nuts!!!!
Message-ID: <1842701c36c9f$14568440$0a0d010a@mail2world.com>

Cool site with page turning capabilities of period bibles, Qa'ran, and
science works!
 
http://www.bl.uk/collections/treasures/digitisation.html
 
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From derrykcarr at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 16:43:19 2003
From: derrykcarr at hotmail.com (Derryk Carr)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:43:19 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <BAY8-F46MlDNBO49mV5000001e3@hotmail.com>

Of course you could always do hat I have seen a few people do.... Get it 
tattooed to your body. Then they would have to carve it out of your cold 
hard flesh.

Aldric de Kerr


>From: "Carl Chipman" <cchipman at nomadics.com>
>Reply-To: cchipman at nomadics.com,   "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc." 
><ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:43:29 -0500
>
>Aaaah, something to add to my "To do" list for this weekend...
>
>Jean Paul :)
>
>
>Carl Chipman
>Nomadics, Inc.
>cchipman at nomadics.com
>http://www.nomadics.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org
>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Michael Smith
>Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:33 PM
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
>
>They can take my Black Star when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
>:)
>
>Morgan, Rabid Ansteorran
>
>
>From: David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com>
>
>Are you here yet?
>   Robert
>
>--- Michael Smith <morganbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  >
>  > Morgan
>  > North Dakota Native
>  > Ansteorran as soon as I could get here.
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From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 19:15:00 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:15:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization (was: Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 09:34 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:

(snip)

>Alden
>(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )


Humph. you're just a whippersnapper.

	-Tivar Moondragon
Ansteorran fossil, coming up on 28 years


From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 19:15:00 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:15:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030827171346.006bd740@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 07:43 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:

>>Be aware that the map on the website is *upside down*. North is at the
>>bottom, rather than the top.
>>
>>	-Tivar Moondragon
>>	obsessive cartographer


>Is is "just" upside down or is it upside down and backwards? Not that sure 
>of west Ansteorra.
>
>plachoya
>
>humble archer
>Ravens Fort Ansteorra


Sweetwater is west of Abeline. If you print the map out and turn it over,
then your only confusion will be reading the highway numbers upside down.

	-Tivar Moondragon



From YsfaelEleanor at aol.com  Wed Aug 27 21:16:01 2003
From: YsfaelEleanor at aol.com (YsfaelEleanor at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:16:01 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Kingdom Splitting: Was Event Limits
Message-ID: <19f.1994d582.2c7edc01@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/27/2003 6:47:59 PM Central Daylight Time, 
derrykcarr at hotmail.com writes:


> Of course you could always do hat I have seen a few people do.... Get it 
> tattooed to your body. Then they would have to carve it out of your cold 
> hard flesh.
> 
> Aldric de Kerr
> 

ewwwwwww

eleanor


From dyanford at txucom.net  Wed Aug 27 22:59:29 2003
From: dyanford at txucom.net (Dyan Ford)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:59:29 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization 
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
References: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3F4D9A41.8010609@txucom.net>

Dear Heart,

If _you_ are a 'fossil'... I guess that makes me 'primordial ooze' ... 
_glowing_ primordial ooze!! <BEG>

Shanahan the Fey, called Stormbearer  (circa  1972 -- A.S. VI )




From michaeloflangley at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 06:31:14 2003
From: michaeloflangley at hotmail.com (Michael of Langley)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
Message-ID: <Law12-F40FpN9Z08WKU0000ac01@hotmail.com>

Well,

Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there anyone 
who can give the actual street address for the site?



"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."

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From ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 28 07:14:07 2003
From: ladydeirdre at sbcglobal.net (Lady Deirdre)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:14:07 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
References: <Law12-F40FpN9Z08WKU0000ac01@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <042801c36d6e$a589af80$c27f8a42@gateway.2wire.net>

A street address for a field next to a lake in the middle of no where west
texas.
Its exit 249 (just a few miles east of Sweetwater) off I-20 and go south.
You can't miss it from there.

Deirdre

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael of Langley" <michaeloflangley at hotmail.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address


> Well,
>
> Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there
anyone
> who can give the actual street address for the site?
>
>
>
> "...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>
> Michael of Langley
>
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From toshirokoi at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 07:08:02 2003
From: toshirokoi at hotmail.com (Jesus Cavazos)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:08:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
Message-ID: <Law14-F112mhksTJgLP00048a11@hotmail.com>


I hate to tell you this, but there is no actual street address.
The site is out in the middle of the country. The way to get there is to go 
from Abilene to Sweetwater, or from Sweetwater to Abilene, on I-20. When you 
get to Exit 249, a few miles east of Sweetwater, turn south.
Just follow the map. The distance from I-20 to the fork in the road (I 
always wanted to say that) is about four and a half miles.Take the left 
fork. The distance from the fork to the site is only about a quarter mile. 
The site will be on your right. You'll know it by the little stone building 
by the side of the road.
It will seem like you've missed it and are half way to nowhere, but you'll 
be fine as long as you follow the map.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshall


>From: "Michael of Langley" <michaeloflangley at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
>
>Well,
>
>Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there anyone 
>who can give the actual street address for the site?
>
>
>"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>
>Michael of Langley
>

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From ldeerslayer at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 28 10:28:23 2003
From: ldeerslayer at yahoo.com (L T)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:28:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
In-Reply-To: <Law14-F112mhksTJgLP00048a11@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030828172823.78825.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>

Isn't there an address for the bait shop/store that is a little past the site?
 
Lorraine DeerSlayer

Jesus Cavazos <toshirokoi at hotmail.com> wrote:

I hate to tell you this, but there is no actual street address.
The site is out in the middle of the country. The way to get there is to go 
from Abilene to Sweetwater, or from Sweetwater to Abilene, on I-20. When you 
get to Exit 249, a few miles east of Sweetwater, turn south.
Just follow the map. The distance from I-20 to the fork in the road (I 
always wanted to say that) is about four and a half miles.Take the left 
fork. The distance from the fork to the site is only about a quarter mile. 
The site will be on your right. You'll know it by the little stone building 
by the side of the road.
It will seem like you've missed it and are half way to nowhere, but you'll 
be fine as long as you follow the map.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshall


>From: "Michael of Langley" 
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
>
>Well,
>
>Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc. Is there anyone 
>who can give the actual street address for the site?
>
>
>"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>
>Michael of Langley
>

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From michaeloflangley at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 10:34:18 2003
From: michaeloflangley at hotmail.com (Michael of Langley)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:34:18 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
Message-ID: <Law12-F6m9kfNHssSvG000025fc@hotmail.com>

Thank you m'lord!

We will see you there!



"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."

Michael of Langley




>From: "Jesus Cavazos" <toshirokoi at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:08:02 -0500
>
>
>I hate to tell you this, but there is no actual street address.
>The site is out in the middle of the country. The way to get there is to go 
>from Abilene to Sweetwater, or from Sweetwater to Abilene, on I-20. When 
>you get to Exit 249, a few miles east of Sweetwater, turn south.
>Just follow the map. The distance from I-20 to the fork in the road (I 
>always wanted to say that) is about four and a half miles.Take the left 
>fork. The distance from the fork to the site is only about a quarter mile. 
>The site will be on your right. You'll know it by the little stone building 
>by the side of the road.
>It will seem like you've missed it and are half way to nowhere, but you'll 
>be fine as long as you follow the map.
>
>HL Toshiro Koi
>WR Rapier Marshall
>
>
>>From: "Michael of Langley" <michaeloflangley at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>>To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] gothic war address
>>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:31:14 -0500
>>
>>Well,
>>
>>Now that we know all about the map being upside down, etc.  Is there 
>>anyone who can give the actual street address for the site?
>>
>>
>>"...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
>>
>>Michael of Langley
>>
>
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From bmccrory at oktax.state.ok.us  Thu Aug 28 10:44:51 2003
From: bmccrory at oktax.state.ok.us (Burke McCrory)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:44:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization (was: Kingdom Splitting: Was
	Event Limits)
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030827170655.006c337c@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030828124234.03f7c850@mailhost.oktax.state.ok.us>

At 09:15 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>At 09:34 PM 8/25/03 -0500, you wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
> >Alden
> >(Ansteorran fossil since A.S. XVI )
>
>
>Humph. you're just a whippersnapper.
>
>         -Tivar Moondragon
>Ansteorran fossil, coming up on 28 years

I do love it when someone posts, that makes me feel young in the SCA.

Burke
who is celebrating 25 years this fall. 




From toshirokoi at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 12:01:10 2003
From: toshirokoi at hotmail.com (Jesus Cavazos)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:01:10 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
Message-ID: <Law14-F40z4lDPHpNwq00006987@hotmail.com>


I'm sure there is. But it's probably something like Box some number, Route 
something.
Little help that is unless you know the area or the place.

HL Toshiro Koi
WR Rapier Marshall


>From: L T <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Gothic War Street Address
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:28:23 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Isn't there an address for the bait shop/store that is a little past the 
>site?
>
>Lorraine DeerSlayer
>

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From gudze at pagancow.org  Thu Aug 28 11:53:00 2003
From: gudze at pagancow.org (Gudze O'Domhnaill)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:53:00 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorran State of Mind
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030825221438.00a21ec0@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <010b01c36d96$18dc0420$aba39bac@genji>

In my opinion, once Anseorran, always Ansteorran. I, for one, will always
consider myself Ansteorran, even though I now live in Northshield.

Regards,
~Gudze O'Domhnaill




From lady_pict2 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 13:11:13 2003
From: lady_pict2 at hotmail.com (Miss Pict)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:11:13 +0000
Subject: [Ansteorra] Crown Tournament feast reservations
Message-ID: <LAW11-F40ogxLDp7mvj0000c10c@hotmail.com>

Greetings to all.

Dragonsfire Tor will be hosting Crown Tournament October 31 ? November 2, 
2003.  The Black Star is out and we are now taking prepaid reservations for 
feast.

Gilli of the Shire of Middleford will providing our food. The menu is:

Flavored Butters and Breads
>     Assorted Cheeses
>     Roast Beast
>     Pasta w/Herb and Garlic Sauce
>     Lyonnes Green Been Almandine
>     Savory Leg of Foul
>     Rice Surprise
>     Orange Glazed Carrots
>     Stuffed Baked Apples
>     Sweet and Unsweetened Tea, Water

Cost is separate from site.
Adults $8.00  		Children 6-12 $4.00 		Children 5 and under: free
NO FAMILY CAP  on FEAST

Make checks payable to SCA Inc./Canton of DFT
Mail to :
Janie Cason
1230 Isla
Stephenville, TX 76401

Please make reservations at crownfeast at hotmail.com. Not dftfeast2. My bad.  
As soon as I receive payment I will send you a confirmation if your email is 
provided.

Come join us. Reservations are limited to 150. I will be at Gothic this 
weekend if you wish to pay then.

We look forward to your reservations.

Lady Janie of Dragonsfire Tor

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From cchipman at nomadics.com  Thu Aug 28 15:03:05 2003
From: cchipman at nomadics.com (Carl Chipman)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:03:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Map to Gothic War
Message-ID: <02ec01c36db0$28eb5950$0f00000a@nomadics.com>

My lady Gilyan made up some detailed aerial photos maps to Gothic war
this weekend for anyone wanting something a bit more north-oriented...
you can see them here:

http://www.cchipman.com/maps_to_gothic_war.htm

Jean Paul de Sens


Carl Chipman
Nomadics, Inc.
cchipman at nomadics.com
http://www.nomadics.com





From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Thu Aug 28 16:00:40 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:00:40 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Map to Gothic War
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030828180038.006e84b0@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 05:03 PM 8/28/03 -0500, you wrote:

>My lady Gilyan made up some detailed aerial photos maps to Gothic war
>this weekend for anyone wanting something a bit more north-oriented...
>you can see them here:
>
>http://www.cchipman.com/maps_to_gothic_war.htm
>
>Jean Paul de Sens


Now that's just *cool*! Did she get these off a public website somewhere,
or does she have "connections"?

	-Tivar Moondragon
	fossilized cartographer



From meraud at netzero.net  Fri Aug 22 21:02:01 2003
From: meraud at netzero.net (meraud)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:02:01 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [MR] Fw: SCAdian's missing son....please read
Message-ID: <000001c36dd5$134115c0$e1eb4bab@uymfdlvk>



> Forwarded as requested.... hope she finds him.
> 
> > >From: "grainnechormaic" <celtic_dragonslady at yahoo.com>
> > >Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:26:04 -0000
> > >Subject: [TY] SCAdian's missing son....please read
> > >
> > >My son, Nicholaus Kirkpatrick is missing.  The last reliable sighting
> > >of him was at pre-registration some day (the registrar isn't sure
> > >which day) the week of July 15, 2003 at Watkins College in Nashville.
> > >
> > >Please visit the link
> > > http://www.geocities.com/find_nick_22/Find_Nick.html 
> > >
> > >Please pass this link to everyone you know.  If he is alive and for
> > >whatever reason has decided to "go walkabout", he may be in or headed
> > >for the California area.
> > >
> > >Thanks to all.
> > >
> > >Grainne inghean Chormaic (m.k.a. Karen Kirkpatrick)
> 
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From Patrickandjulia at aol.com  Thu Aug 28 19:57:53 2003
From: Patrickandjulia at aol.com (Patrickandjulia at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:57:53 EDT
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pavilion Raffle
Message-ID: <16.347cd3c4.2c801b31@aol.com>

Greetings All!

Rosenfeld is in the process of raffling off a list field pavilion set up 
including an 8x10 pavilion with pennants and complete setup, 2 wooden handcrafted 
breakdown chairs, 2 rugs, 2 banners, a handcrafted chest, a chess set and a 
small honor shield with your device for the low, low price of $5.00 per ticket.  
Tickets are available from Centurion William de Molay from now until drawing 
time at Three Kings.  You may purchase tickets from William at Gothic, Battle 
of the Pines, Elfsea Defender and, of course, at 3 Kings. You may also 
purchase tickets by mail.  If you would like to purchase tickets or need further 
info, please contact him at (903) 894-6067.  Pictures are available on the 3 Kings 
webpage at <A HREF="http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org">http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org</A>.

Patrick


From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Thu Aug 28 20:15:16 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:15:16 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization
In-Reply-To: <3F4D9A41.8010609@txucom.net>
Message-ID: <0320C104-D9CF-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 12:59 AM, Dyan Ford wrote:
> If _you_ are a 'fossil'... I guess that makes me 'primordial ooze' ... 
> _glowing_ primordial ooze!! <BEG>
>
> Shanahan the Fey, called Stormbearer  (circa  1972 -- A.S. VI )
So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
hear of the SCA?
What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****



From dyanford at txucom.net  Thu Aug 28 21:44:42 2003
From: dyanford at txucom.net (Dyan Ford)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:44:42 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <0320C104-D9CF-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>
References: <0320C104-D9CF-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3F4EDA3A.30407@txucom.net>

 >>>So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
hear of the SCA?
What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
Stefan<<<<

Oh Boy,  what a set of questions!  Let's see how I can answer....

First, I 'heard of the SCA in college, in the back of the book 'The 
Broken Sword' by Poul Anderson <sigh>.  From what I recall, it mentioned 
a group of  people who spent their summer vacations near Chicago, 
playing 'medieval'.  I remember telling my roommate than I was going as 
soon as I got out of school & got a job -- that was in 1969.  (I _still_ 
have yet to attend Pensic!)

In 1972, I decided that if I couldn't get to Chicago, I'd try to find 
like-minded folk in the Houston area.  So, I hand-lettered a 
'recruitment' poster & posted it at a local Comics Convention.  An old 
friend, JL3, saw it & asked why didn't I just join the group that was 
already in Houston.  I almost freaked, demanding more info.  He said 
that a group had formed some months earlier but had only 3 three 
people.  He offered to make some calls & see about setting up a meeting 
-- which he did.  We all met on the next Sunday to try to restart the 
Barony, 7 in person & 2 by proxy.

And since the group (then known only as 'The Barony in Houston') needed 
a name, we proceeded to debate possibilities.  In those days, groups 
were often named for a predominant local landmark.  Well, we sure didn't 
want the Bayou Barony!  So I thought of NASA and suggested 'StarGate' 
because a reporter had earlier dubbed Houston as the Gateway to the 
Stars.... everyone seemed to like it so the name stuck.  The device 
became a nine pointed star with 3 greater points for the original 
founders & 6 smaller points for the rest of us -- and 1 point was 
'supposed' to be a 'binary' because JL3 was the only married founder (at 
the time) & we wanted to include his Lady (which she now denies --- hey, 
that's how _I_ remember it! )

As to how has it changed..... oh, there are not words to properly 
describe the differences!  I mean, this was years before the Texas 
RenFaire, & we _lived_ the joke of "Are you in a Play?".  No one took us 
seriously and communications with others in the SCA just didn't exist -- 
the nearest groups were Draconia (Baton Rouge, LA) to the East and the 
Atenveldt Barony/Kingdom (Tempe, AZ) to the West.  In those days, there 
were only 4 Kingdoms & Atenveldt extended from the southern Atlantic 
States across to the border of California.  I remember how we struggled 
to find references and information about historical practices.  We truly 
did 'wing it' and things were accepted for the 'effort' involved in the 
making, not the 'historical accuracy' that is demanded today.   The 
Dream was almost a tangible thing in those days & anyone who even made 
the attempt was welcome to play.  I truly miss some of that 'tolerance'.

As to the most 'Memoriables' ... I'm afraid I'll have to put that into 
an article or something.  The email would be much too long!  And this 
email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.

Shanahan the Fey, MLA, OLA, OMS, Starholder




From morgancain at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 28 21:40:11 2003
From: morgancain at earthlink.net (Morgan Cain (Ansteorra))
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:40:11 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra]  Crown Tournament feast reservations 
References: <200308290448.h7T4m2a15860@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <019701c36de7$fe98b700$76051e43@homeseries>

> Gilli of the Shire of Middleford will providing our food. The menu is:
> 
> >     Savory Leg of Foul

Man, I hope that is a typo..........


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
" There is no key to happiness. The door is always open. "  (Unknown)
"....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
        ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)


From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Thu Aug 28 22:51:45 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:51:45 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <3F4EDA3A.30407@txucom.net>
Message-ID: <DF999615-D9E4-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

Shanahan the Fey answered me with:
On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 11:44 PM, Dyan Ford wrote:

> >>>So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
> hear of the SCA?
> What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
> the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
> Stefan<<<<
>
> Oh Boy,  what a set of questions!  Let's see how I can answer....

> In 1972, I decided that if I couldn't get to Chicago, I'd try to find 
> like-minded folk in the Houston area.  So, I hand-lettered a 
> 'recruitment' poster & posted it at a local Comics Convention.  An old 
> friend, JL3, saw it & asked why didn't I just join the group that was 
> already in Houston.  I almost freaked, demanding more info.  He said 
> that a group had formed some months earlier but had only 3 three 
> people.  He offered to make some calls & see about setting up a 
> meeting -- which he did.  We all met on the next Sunday to try to 
> restart the Barony, 7 in person & 2 by proxy.
Oh Thank you! Thank you. This is wonderful. You've given details of 
both Stargate and Ansteorran history which I've never heard before. In 
fact, you've managed to get this message saved for the Anst-hist-msg, 
SCA-hist-msg and the placenames-msg files in the Florilegium. :-)

Sigh. What was wrong with "The Bayou Barony"? Although I guess that 
would need to be changed a little bit to "Green Bayou" or "Bayou 
Country" or some such.
> As to the most 'Memoriables' ... I'm afraid I'll have to put that into 
> an article or something.  The email would be much too long!
Please? Pretty please? I'd love to have such articles on the early days 
of the SCA or the might have been stories or just first hand accounts 
of how it was different then. In some kingdoms folks think driving two 
or three hours to an event is too far. From the recent discussions here 
on whether the kingdom calender is overloaded or not. On whether 
Ansteorra should split because it has too many groups etc, you can see 
quite a contrast from what I've been told of the early days of the SCA. 
I suspect that had you told folks then that there would be a choice of 
two or three events every weekend, that Pennsic would have over 12 
thousand folks attending, they wouldn't have believed it. The baronies 
usually have more members now than the kingdoms did then.

My standard policy for Florilegium articles is that the author keeps 
the copyright and I will accept updates or removal requests :-( at any 
time. I just want to get interesting, useful info out there where folks 
can use it and enjoy it.
> And this email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.
I don't think so and I really doubt very many others do either. I'd 
rather read this than another flamewar on principalities. :-)
>
> Shanahan the Fey, MLA, OLA, OMS, Starholder
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****



From cadunham at worldnet.att.net  Thu Aug 28 23:08:28 2003
From: cadunham at worldnet.att.net (Chris A. Dunham)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:08:28 -0400
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <DF999615-D9E4-11D7-B501-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <MFEAJMFCKKCDIHALCCCLAEPICAAA.cadunham@worldnet.att.net>

>> And this email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.
>I don't think so and I really doubt very many others do either. I'd
>rather read this than another flamewar on principalities. :-)

Absolutely.  I'd definitely love to hear more of this than constant (and
somewhat pointless) debates.  So, yes, give us more!!

Xavier William Terrant
House Rivenshield



From gilli at hot.rr.com  Fri Aug 29 00:00:02 2003
From: gilli at hot.rr.com (Bob Dewart)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:00:02 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra]  Crown Tournament feast reservations
References: <200308290448.h7T4m2a15860@blackstar.ansteorra.org>
	<019701c36de7$fe98b700$76051e43@homeseries>
Message-ID: <000701c36dfb$2c783480$b221c944@hot.rr.com>

OPPS!!!

That was a foul mistake on my fowl dish.  :)

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Morgan Cain (Ansteorra)" <morgancain at earthlink.net>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Crown Tournament feast reservations


> > Gilli of the Shire of Middleford will providing our food. The menu is:
> > 
> > >     Savory Leg of Foul
> 
> Man, I hope that is a typo..........
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> " There is no key to happiness. The door is always open. "  (Unknown)
> "....look on every exit as being an entrance somewhere else."
>         ---= Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (1967)
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra


From Julie at ettros.com  Fri Aug 29 05:51:59 2003
From: Julie at ettros.com (Julie Cunningham)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:51:59 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
Message-ID: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>

Being a newbie still, I LOVE stories like this.  Is there a place somewhere to read more about the history of the SCA?  How did Steppes get started?

Kathryn of Ayr
(Kate)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dyan Ford [mailto:dyanford at txucom.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:45 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories


 >>>So, considering how thinly the SCA was spread in AS VI, how did you 
hear of the SCA?
What do you see as having changed the most since then? What stands out 
the most in your memories of the SCA in the last thirty years?
Stefan<<<<

Oh Boy,  what a set of questions!  Let's see how I can answer....

First, I 'heard of the SCA in college, in the back of the book 'The 
Broken Sword' by Poul Anderson <sigh>.  From what I recall, it mentioned 
a group of  people who spent their summer vacations near Chicago, 
playing 'medieval'.  I remember telling my roommate than I was going as 
soon as I got out of school & got a job -- that was in 1969.  (I _still_ 
have yet to attend Pensic!)

In 1972, I decided that if I couldn't get to Chicago, I'd try to find 
like-minded folk in the Houston area.  So, I hand-lettered a 
'recruitment' poster & posted it at a local Comics Convention.  An old 
friend, JL3, saw it & asked why didn't I just join the group that was 
already in Houston.  I almost freaked, demanding more info.  He said 
that a group had formed some months earlier but had only 3 three 
people.  He offered to make some calls & see about setting up a meeting 
-- which he did.  We all met on the next Sunday to try to restart the 
Barony, 7 in person & 2 by proxy.

And since the group (then known only as 'The Barony in Houston') needed 
a name, we proceeded to debate possibilities.  In those days, groups 
were often named for a predominant local landmark.  Well, we sure didn't 
want the Bayou Barony!  So I thought of NASA and suggested 'StarGate' 
because a reporter had earlier dubbed Houston as the Gateway to the 
Stars.... everyone seemed to like it so the name stuck.  The device 
became a nine pointed star with 3 greater points for the original 
founders & 6 smaller points for the rest of us -- and 1 point was 
'supposed' to be a 'binary' because JL3 was the only married founder (at 
the time) & we wanted to include his Lady (which she now denies --- hey, 
that's how _I_ remember it! )

As to how has it changed..... oh, there are not words to properly 
describe the differences!  I mean, this was years before the Texas 
RenFaire, & we _lived_ the joke of "Are you in a Play?".  No one took us 
seriously and communications with others in the SCA just didn't exist -- 
the nearest groups were Draconia (Baton Rouge, LA) to the East and the 
Atenveldt Barony/Kingdom (Tempe, AZ) to the West.  In those days, there 
were only 4 Kingdoms & Atenveldt extended from the southern Atlantic 
States across to the border of California.  I remember how we struggled 
to find references and information about historical practices.  We truly 
did 'wing it' and things were accepted for the 'effort' involved in the 
making, not the 'historical accuracy' that is demanded today.   The 
Dream was almost a tangible thing in those days & anyone who even made 
the attempt was welcome to play.  I truly miss some of that 'tolerance'.

As to the most 'Memoriables' ... I'm afraid I'll have to put that into 
an article or something.  The email would be much too long!  And this 
email has become too long also!  Thank you for your patience.

Shanahan the Fey, MLA, OLA, OMS, Starholder


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From rbnew5 at netscape.net  Fri Aug 29 10:56:51 2003
From: rbnew5 at netscape.net (Elizabeth Hawkwood)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:56:51 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Pavilion Raffle
References: <16.347cd3c4.2c801b31@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3F4F93E3.50701@netscape.net>

I could not reach the desired page from the link you gave but, after a 
little
reasearch I found it at:
http://rosenfeld.ansteorra.org/threekings/three_kings_2003.htm
All I have to say is, "WOW!!"

/Elizabeth Hawkwood

Patrickandjulia at aol.com wrote:

>Greetings All!
>
>Rosenfeld is in the process of raffling off a list field pavilion set up 
>including an 8x10 pavilion with pennants and complete setup, 2 wooden handcrafted 
>breakdown chairs, 2 rugs, 2 banners, a handcrafted chest, a chess set and a 
>small honor shield with your device for the low, low price of $5.00 per ticket.  
>Tickets are available from Centurion William de Molay from now until drawing 
>time at Three Kings.  You may purchase tickets from William at Gothic, Battle 
>of the Pines, Elfsea Defender and, of course, at 3 Kings. You may also 
>purchase tickets by mail.  If you would like to purchase tickets or need further 
>info, please contact him at (903) 894-6067.  Pictures are available on the 3 Kings 
>webpage at <A HREF="http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org">http:\\rosenfeld.ansteorra.org</A>.
>
>Patrick
>_______________________________________________
>Ansteorra mailing list
>Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
>http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
>  
>

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From moondrgn at austin.rr.com  Fri Aug 29 15:31:07 2003
From: moondrgn at austin.rr.com (Chris Zakes)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:31:07 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20030829172729.006ca520@pop-server.austin.rr.com>

At 12:59 AM 8/28/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear Heart,
>
>If _you_ are a 'fossil'... I guess that makes me 'primordial ooze' ... 
>_glowing_ primordial ooze!! <BEG>
>
>Shanahan the Fey, called Stormbearer  (circa  1972 -- A.S. VI )


<chuckle> Shanahan, you're one of about five people who remember *me* as a
newbie.

	-Tivar Moondragon


From StefanliRous at austin.rr.com  Fri Aug 29 19:18:05 2003
From: StefanliRous at austin.rr.com (Stefan li Rous)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:18:05 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>
Message-ID: <30BC7458-DA90-11D7-85E5-000393A414D0@austin.rr.com>

  Kathryn of Ayr asked:
> Being a newbie still, I LOVE stories like this.  Is there a place 
> somewhere to read more about the history of the SCA?  How did Steppes 
> get started?
Well, you might be interested in some of the files in the SCA-STORIES 
section of the Florilegium such as:
Anst-hist-msg     (86K)  3/22/01    Histories of the Kingdom of 
Ansteorra.
Anst-sword-msg    (25K)  2/17/99    Histories of the Ansteorran Sword 
of State.
child-stories-msg (44K)  9/ 7/01    Stories of SCA children.
Mordona-arbed-art  (8K)  2/21/00    Mordonna DuBois' adventure at 
Estrella.
placenames-msg   (110K) 10/ 4/00    Origins and meanings of SCA 
placenames.
placenames2-msg   (60K)  1/22/02    More origins and meanings of SCA 
placenmaes.
romance-today-msg (12K)  4/13/00    Romantic ideas from period to use 
today.
SCA-authors-msg   (36K) 12/16/94    Authors who have been/are SCA 
members.
SCA-fence-hst-msg	(14K) 11/19/99    History of rapier combat in the SCA.
SCA-hist3-msg    (126K)  5/29/01    Msgs on the history of the SCA.
SCA-in-books-msg  (32K)  8/21/96    Mentions of the SCA in books and 
magazines.
SCA-noteables-msg (19K)  4/12/01    20th century noteables in the SCA.
SCA-romance-msg   (33K) 10/12/01    SCA romances and meeting SOs in the 
SCA.
SCA-stories3-msg  (64K)  2/22/00    SCA stories related after 5/1/96.
vanity-plates-msg (50K) 10/19/98    SCA vanity auto license plates.
you-know-msg      (99K)  5/13/99    You know you're in the SCA when...

You might also look at the SCA-SOCIOLOGY section and since you say you 
are new, the NEWCOMERS section.
And when you finish those, there are about 1800 other files in the 
Florilegium to take a look at. :-)
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****



From jyeates at realtime.net  Fri Aug 29 23:51:12 2003
From: jyeates at realtime.net (jay yeates)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:51:12 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fossilization
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20030829172729.006ca520@pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <049601c36ec3$1c6a9150$0a7ba8c0@kharsag>

 
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<chuckle> Shanahan, you're one of about five people who remember *me* as a newbie.

...
and fewer still as a pre-newbie .. (g)

'wolf

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From perronnelle at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 30 20:53:39 2003
From: perronnelle at earthlink.net (Charlene Charette)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Fossil memories
In-Reply-To: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>
References: <24D00C030250234F8C42F0F837AA0C7E019E0CA3@ettros2.ettros.com>
Message-ID: <3F517143.7070909@earthlink.net>

Julie Cunningham wrote:
> Being a newbie still, I LOVE stories like this.  Is there a place somewhere to read more about the history of the SCA?  How did Steppes get started?
> 
> Kathryn of Ayr
> (Kate)

There's lots of interesting reading in the old BoD minutes.

The current minutes are here:  http://www.sca.org/BOD/welcome.html

The historical minutes are here:  http://www.sca.org/BOD/minutes/

--Perronnelle

-- 
Don't use the name of the Lord in vain:  Make sure whoever you're 
swearing at sees every gesture and hears every word.  -- Raymond Lesser, 
20 Things I Learned from God (or voices inside myhead, I'm not sure 
which, yet)



From burkemc at cox.net  Sat Aug 30 22:33:25 2003
From: burkemc at cox.net (Burke McCrory)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:33:25 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Wiesenfeuer Baronial Champion rescheduled to Sunday
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030831002529.03e1baf8@pop.central.cox.net>

I just got back in from Wiesenfeuer Baronial Champion and at His 
Excellency's request am posting the following.  Because of heavy rain that 
moved in just at the end of court His Excellency Lucais has rescheduled the 
Chivalric List to Sunday at 10am.  He hopes that everyone who was unable to 
attend the list at its original Saturday Night time, will come up and 
participate on Sunday in the bright light of day for the coveted title 
of  Wiesenfeuer Baronial Champion.

Sir Burke




From cyranobcc at netzero.net  Sun Aug 31 10:06:57 2003
From: cyranobcc at netzero.net (cyranobcc)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:06:57 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Academy of the Rapier
Message-ID: <011c01c36fe2$4ab87340$698d4a43@pcname>

Unto all good gentles of this fair land, I, Lord Brian mac Cael, wish to invite you all to attend ACADEMY OF THE RAPIER, to be held in the Barony of the Stargate on September 13, 2003!!!

Teaching will be geared to all levels of skill and knowledge and will include Classroom, Drilling, Sparring, and One-On-One instruction.

The Academy will be run in conjunction with Stargate's "A Day at the Coliseum", so there will be plenty of activities for non-rapier combatants too.  Both events will come together for evening feast.

Website info will be available shortly.

Contact me at: 281-895-8170 or cyranobcc at netzero.net with any questions.



From niklas at pbgilbert.net  Sun Aug 31 18:49:58 2003
From: niklas at pbgilbert.net (Paul Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:49:58 -0500
Subject: [Ansteorra] Raven's Fort Defender XXI Web Page
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030831204713.0289ec60@mail.cox-internet.com>

Greetings,

The web page for this years Barony of Raven's Fort Defender XXI is up with 
info about the event and the feast menu.

The URL is.....

www.ravensfortevents.com

If anyone has any questions about the event please let us know.

HE Niklas
Baron of Raven's Fort



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Huntsville, Texas                       Baron of The Barony Raven's Fort
niklas at pbgilbert.net                    CSM, Crane, ORH, KGA , AoA
936-291-9532 home                               Kingdom of Ansteorra
936-581-5632 cellular                           Society for Creative 
Anachronism
                               AIM Name: KE5ZW
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