Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?

[Bob Dewart]

Yep, it sure does happen to Gillis too.

People will say or do as they please.  Even as hard skined as I appear to
be, it is sometimes hard to ignore some things that are said and even
implied by the way they are said.  Some times I really do admire the outward
appearance politicans can give on personal attacks and the like.

But one should ask ones self, "If I walk away, who benifits?"

As it is true, that people will say and do as they please, they will also
have opinons and attitudes on various subjects. I'm not too sure any of
those have been changed on this list.

Gilli
Shoot more arrows.  You're bound to hit something.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L T" <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:05 PM
Subject: Viewpoints...Re: [Ansteorra] Event Limits?


>
>
> Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com> wrote:
> >You said, "more Peers I know have dropped out because they don't have fun
at
> >events anymore because there's always something that comes up that they
>end up taking care of...either Peer stuff, crisis management, or something
> >else...".
>
> >Those crisis management or something else's might have just as easily
been
> >taken care of by someone else, IF given the chance, opportunity or
perhaps a
> >bit of guidance.
>
> People ARE given the chance...they have the chance everytime a problem
comes up...they are just not confident enough or just don't want to deal
with stuff so instead of following procedure, asking advice, or doing the
research themselves...they run to an "authority" to handle it...
>
> I'm not saying that there aren't situations that we need the immediate
attention of authority for...anything dealing with legal issues needs to be
taken to the chain of command immediately...
>
> I'm talking about personality conflicts, timing issues, or even just
discontent...
>
> > But as we have talked before, some folks just keep
> >jumping into the fire till they get a grumpy golden brown. I guarantee
you
> >that one of two things would have happened had that peer not been there:
1)
> >someone else would have taken care of it, or 2) folks would have just
lived
> >with it.
>
> I seem to understand from this comment that you think the Peers are
jumping in without allowing others to take care of it...and I was coming
from the direct opposite point of view...that people draw in the Peers too
quickly at times...instead of working through things themselves...
>
> and ya know...both viewpoints are valid...!
>
> >Teaching is what we do, or at least I thought so. That should also
include
> >letting folks do what they have been tought or let them do on the job
> >training.
>
>
> Very true...and sometimes that means standing back and watching the "kids"
make their mistakes and sometimes it means teaching by example...
>
>
> >So, it was a self infected wound. By their continuing to jump in the
fire,
> >the deprived some one of the opportunity to feel the heat some to get use
to
> >it. Folks get use to haveing someone take care of things to the point the
> >one doing the taking care of walks off. That's a terrible loss, but it
> >dosen't seem to bring things to a hault nor change the nature of the
beast.
>
> In some ways it is a self perpetuating thing...but you might consider that
any time a Peer walks away...they will be called down 7 ways to sunday about
how they abrogated their responsibilities and cussed for being a "bad
Peer"...tell ya what....I've got that T-Shirt...and unfortunately it is a
large part of being a Peer...like being a parent...you have to be able to
"fade the heat"...for your every action, non-action and reaction...you also
have to figure out when to give advice, when to let the little birds
fly...and when to walk away...not an easy thing...
>
> >To add to this sad fact of life, it's not just peers this sort of thing
> >happens to either.
>
>
> I'm sure it even happens to Gillis ;-)
>
>
> >Did that help?
>
>
> It helped me...I really did not understand where you were coming from on
that one...
>
> Thanks for the response...
>
>
> >Gilli
>
> Lorraine DeerSlayer
>
>
>
>
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