[Ansteorra] Land - was Question 12/13

[Gilli]

We had the shire's sheds and equipment at our place for 7 - 8 years (not our 
current place, Burkhaven) back in the early to mid 90s.  And we did have a 
contract.  However, after repeated violations of the contract by the shire, 
we were forced to have them remove their property.

So it's not always the land owner that's the problem.  Some times the 
Seneschal will refuse to deal with the land owner, simply because they can. 
That has happened here with serveral Seneschals also.

Gilli.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jan Van Zandt" <hejanais at yahoo.com>
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:08 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Land - was Question 12/13


> Ciard,
>
>  There have been incidences in which a group had all of their things 
> stored in someone's private shed and then - out of the blue - the group is 
> told to come get the stuff immediately because the owners want the space 
> for something else.  Or...the shed owner gets mad at the group and says 
> he/she isn't going to play anymore and  won't let the group have their 
> property.  There have been shed owners who used - at random - anything 
> he/she wanted to use out of the shed  at any time - after all it is in 
> his/her shed on his/her private property - and then the items didn't get 
> put back and disappeared.  Sometimes people begin to feel as if they 
> personally own SCA property - especially if they were the person 
> responsible, once upon a time, for purchasing the items with SCA funds for 
> the group and they also have possession of it on their property.
>
>  We've all had that dream of winning the lottery and building a castle and 
> offering all the amenities to our friends.  Who knows, it might work 
> unless you have to deal with someone who feels they have the right (which 
> legally they do) to be the 'overseer'/boss/in-charge-of-everything that 
> happens on the site.  How about when the owners tell the group who and who 
> can not come on their property?
>
>  It all sort of depends on the history of the honor and attitudes of the 
> people involved.  What would you tell someone who wants the group's things 
> stored on their private property when, in the past, they got mad and quit 
> playing with the group - then they came back and want every one to trust 
> them again?
>
>  I'm not saying, 'don't trust anyone' - but it is few problems like these 
> that have caused our Game to have to make more and more rules that all of 
> us have to follow.  Just be careful and know who you are dealing with.
>  Wish I had a simple solution...
>
>  Baroness Jan
>
>  Ciard wrote:
>
>  What sort of problems have arisen in the past?
>
> In a message dated 12/18/2005 7:28:36 AM Central Standard Time,
> gilli at hot.rr.com writes:
>
> Yeap,  I've seen that too.  For some, a handshake and a few words gets it
> done. For others; lots of ink, a small forest and a platoon of lawyers 
> might
> still not get it done.
> You're right.  It's can be most  amazing to see how a members selfless
> generosity can be turned  around.
> But, people can be amazing.
>
> Gilli
> ----- Original  Message ----- 
> From: "L T" <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com>
> To:  <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:49  AM
> Subject: Land - Re: [Ansteorra] Question 12/13
>> You're  right Gilli...
>>  It's amazing how complicated things get  very quickly when personal land
>> is used for group events or  storage...>
>>  It's a situation that needs to be thought out  throughly...and contracts
>> drawn up...otherwise there are  misunderstandings on both sides...
>>
>>  L  DeerSlayer