[Ansteorra] Now.....Private Land Disscussion

[niklas at pbgilbert.net]

Even though we participate in a group that is suppose to have honor and 
such, there are some that do not "honor" that code and participate only 
to throw a party with someone elses money.

At any rate....

Yes, they can file a suit, for $135 (the last time I heard that was the 
usually filing fee) and a piece of paper I can sue you cause you wear 
red shirts and I don't like red.

Again, I am speaking only in terms of private land that there are no 
rental or usage fees exchanged.

Yes, if a fee is charged, that changes everything.

Private land with no fees is exempt from ADA and many other issues.

The point of my thread was that sometimes, users of the campsites, will 
forget who owns the land and begin to think of it as "their" land.

The users agreements drive home the facts of this and clear up any 
future problems.

Again, this case involves no $$$ exchanged.

Niklas


Chass wrote:
>     Ahh but in a society where Honor is supposed to be the norm why 
> would one want to go around a law designed to aid those who are... 
> limited in mobility or etc from attending? If one pays anything for a 
> site then it is considered rentd by federal standards. I can name off 
> top my head 2 places that rented to a Pagan group function and basically 
> charged them very little, but someone filed case against them. The 
> problem doesnt just stop at the owner of the site but the group was also 
> liable for they chose the site. Thats what I was getting at it is not 
> just the responsability of the land owner but those chooseing the sites 
> as well. (Again people I am not trying to be a A.D.A. nazi just trying 
> to show where there are more concenrs than most people think). Both the 
> site and the group were charged for A.D.A. violations.
> 
>     Now this is worse case scenerio.. like someone gets really peeved 
> and files a suit. Which honestly will happen sooner or later. Not by 
> me... cause I will not harm the game I play. But there are A.D.A. Nazi's 
> who will join a group just to have case standing and sue they are as 
> inevitable as hot weather in Oklahoma and Texas.. we have just been 
> lucky so far.
> 
> Charinthalis Del Sans of the portable Chariot
> Chass Brown
> Muddeler of Mead, Ailement of Ale and Whiner of wine
> Honorable Recruiter of house of the Red Shark, Have you seen my Belaying 
> Pin?
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <niklas at pbgilbert.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Land - Re: [Ansteorra] Question 12/13
> 
> 
>> I am not talking about rented property, I am speaking of private 
>> land...no rent exchanged or implied. The cases I am referring to are 
>> like the arrangement BG has with it's local site provider where BG 
>> hold many of it's events.
>>
>> Private property, no rent charged. No ADA issues. There are also ways 
>> around many of the ADA provisions.
>>
>> If a group is going to use private land for it's events on a regular 
>> basis, there needs to be a very, very, very clear understanding as to 
>> who's the boss, who owns the land and who calls the shots.
>>
>> Other wise, that is a recipe for a disaster in the future.
>>
>> With all the goofy policies the SCA BoD's have, I am not surprised 
>> they don't have one that makes sense covering this subject.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents and your mileage will vary.
>>
>> Niklas
>>
>>
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