[Ansteorra] LAND: Feast Hall Wish-List (a little long/complex)

[Gilli]

At Ansteorra 25th year, I think they serve 800+, I want to say 850+/-, at
the Canton Hall.  They had 4 serving lines set up.  Good food too.

Gilli
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike C. Baker / Kihe Blackeagle" <kihebard at hotmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:12 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] LAND: Feast Hall Wish-List (a little long/complex)


Charinthalis:  I want it to be large enough that I can avoid that Belaying
Pin, 'salright? <gryn>

More seriously:  size of the hall in feet relates directly to how many can
be comfortably seated therein, in addition to access spaces, stages,
sideboard areas, antechambers, kitchen facilities, convenient additional
function spaces, acoustics, etc., yada, und so weiter.

All dimensions below are in feet unless otherwise specified.

To take three examples from recent / upcoming events (if memory serves, and
I encourage corrections!):
 the Ennis Sokol Hall site will comfortably seat *for feast* between 50 and
80 8-foot tables, and the kitchen area will support that many without
serious overextension.  It is essentially a collection of contiguous
basketball courts (3? 4?) plus perhaps five or six smaller indoor spaces
that can be used for meetings or additional functions [balcony, bar,
"server's room", stage, "downstairs", ???] . No camping on-site, reasonably
central location in Ansteorra, reasonable number of nearby motels and good
assortment of off-site food alternatives.  I think we've seated nearly 500,
and served over 300?

The community center at Canton, sometimes referred to as "the onsite WalMart
building" by my eye has roughly 2/3 the floor space, no internal meeting
areas to speak of other than the stage or perhaps a corner delineated by
barriers we provide, a relatively inadequate kitchen [that I'm not certain
is accessible / rentable], and a whacking great lot of available camping
area.  Reasonably central location in Ansteorra, reasonable number of nearby
motel accommodations and off-site food alternatives.  I believe I've seen
200-300 seated for court, I don't recall feasting in that hall myself.

The Jaycee civic function building where Lindenwood held Yule festivities
has a TINY kitchen, one room of roughly 40x60 dimensions, and a very
separate room of perhaps half to perhaps 2/3 that size. Reasonably central
location in Ansteorra, very good access to motel/hotel facilities  I will
estimate that Lindenwood Yule had a total attendance of less than fifty
gentles, and using only the larger room we were very comfortably
accommodated (so sez Hiz Travesty, da consort-Kink o' Misrule).  Access to
the second room would have allowed more classes / activities to be included.
As far as seating for feast with the buffet-style setup, we would have still
been comfortable at maybe 80 gentles?

Deriving from the above, various other discussions, and my personal tastes,
I arrive at the following specifications!

AMRA'S FEAST HALL WISH LIST -- Approximate Capacity 300+, stone or
stone&steel construction [fire resistant]:
  N.B.: all figures are off-my-cuff approximations and may not satisfy
various regulations and requirements of modern law or accepted architectural
design / engineering practices... Probable minimum "footprint" in acres of
land: 25 - 40

  Kitchen -- proportionate to and considerate of the number expected to be
feasting AND the comfort of the kitchen staff, approx. At least 30x40 plus
walk-ins & closets, with good counters / islands / prep tables/ etc...  At
least two full-size commercial stoves (each with a minimum of four burners
plus oven), an additional double oven, and a separate 3x8 grill -- all with
vent hoods, etc.; commercial freezer, refrigeration units; large prep and
cleaning areas; over-sized commercial hot water system.  Appropriate
utensils, vessels, serviceware, and accommodation for feasters to clean
their own gear.  Backup generator dedicated to kitchen use; additional
backup fuel system / alternate-source backup for cooking equipment.  Outdoor
barbecue pit, smokers, roasters, etc.  "Staging area" / server's prep area
approx. 20x30

  Antechambers:  at least four of classroom size (20x20, 20x30, or
thereabouts), at least four additional of half that size.

  Entry hall: 15x30, plus covered load/unload area (one of the niceties I
like at the Ennis Sokol Hall site...)  Coat racks / coat rooms appropriate
to area & climate.

  Main hall: 150x90 PLUS stage/proscenium and adits / side "booths" (boxes /
loges); minimum 25 foot ceiling throughout

  Choir loft & galleries: as appropriate / reasonable; with heavy draperies
to create additional "separate" spaces for secondary activities.

  Sanitation Facilities:  as appropriate to projected capacity, with at
least 15-25% larger stalls than modern norm (costuming); estimating 20
stalls and 4 urinals distributed for each of the sexes and divided into at
least two separately-plumbed "clusters", with redundant access to water
sources AND sewer accommodation (at least two separate bathrooms each for
Men and Women, perhaps two additional "family chambers"); shower facilities
to support grounds & activities.

  Grounds / External Amenities:  all-weather parking for 250 vehicles, list
field(s), archery range(s), thrown weapons range, siege weapon range, horse
arena & equestrian course with paddocks/stalls, coursing facility (all with
covered galleries for observers); camping area (Ciard's design based on the
"show arena" makes sense to me!) with additional sanitary facility
arrangements, RV hook-ups, access to motels/hotels/alternate eateries.
Appropriate storm shelter arrangements for 150% of rated dining / camping
capacity.

  GENERAL:  accommodation for non-electrical lighting *in addition to*
modern lighting; state-of-the-art fire/smoke detection and control / safety
systems; fully-zoned climate control within the hall taking advantage of
ground water source heat pump & gas heat.  At least partial supply of energy
requirements from solar, wind, methane generation, and other "renewable" /
recycled sources (as long as we're dreaming, DREAM BIG...)
Gee.  I have *probably* left something out...

Adieu, Amra / ttfn - Mike / Pax ... Kihe

Mike C. Baker
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chass" <chass at allegiance.tv>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:05 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] LAND (Back to the Oroginal discussion)
> How large would one consider a nice feast hall? Now before you say "To
> seat
> 250 people" I mean in Feet lol not people.
>
> Charinthalis Del Sans of the portable Chariot
> Chass Brown
> Muddeler of Mead, Ailement of Ale and Whiner of wine
> Honorable Recruiter of house of the Red Shark, Have you seen my Belaying
> Pin?
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