[Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue 18
Snorri Hallsson
snorri.hallsson at gmail.com
Mon Jul 11 19:50:15 PDT 2005
Specific to Count Gunthar's longish rant, Snorri sez:
"Tell It Brother Gunthar."
Now, having said that, we've determined that:
a) some folks like "o-crat" names
b) some folks like "period" names
c) there are arguments for and against both sides
d) some folks like and use both depending on appropriateness of the
event; i.e. Brawlin' in the Bog XXXVIII, some local event hosted by
the Shire of Whatchamacallit with its own peculiar history, may have a
bog-o-crat but the Coronation of Heironymous and Consortia in the same
location will have event stewards, feast stewards, etc.
e) there is a recent trend to move toward a more period representation
of these event officers' titles but it, like all aspects of change in
the SCA, are done over a long amount of time and not without some
controversy or debate.
f) the nastycrat is that individual blessed (?) with the job of more
or less being the site's department of sanitation.
So my question is this ... can anyone come up with a more period term
for a nastycrat? I've heard of something for every position but that
one. Thoughts, opinions, whacks upside the head?
Snorri
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> 14) (Matthias the Brewer)
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> 14) (Chris Zakes)
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> 14) (Bethany Burke)
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> 14) (estarkey at camalott.com)
> 7. Feasts? Names? Food? (long, grab a drink and read this in a
> bubblebath) (Michael Gunter)
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> 14) (Matthias the Brewer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:12:45 EDT
> From: Ldyinnes at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> Vol 26, Issue 14)
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
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> I have worked TROLL at many, many events, and have never felt insulted,
> belittled or anything else. except Proud to be trusted in that position. Get over
> it. It is just a word. and has been accepted as long as there has been an
> SCA. There is no slight intended by anyone. and on the subject what ever was
> wrong with Autocrat, Nastycrat, instead at least with Autocrat, it was much
> more discriptive than Event Steward, and much faster to say.
>
> just my .02 cents worth,
> Innes
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:22:00 -0500
> From: "Matthias the Brewer" <matthiasthebrewer at cox.net>
> Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> Vol 26, Issue 14)
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
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> Nastycrat? Oh I'm intrigued!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org]On
> Behalf Of Ldyinnes at aol.com
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> I have worked TROLL at many, many events, and have never felt insulted,
> belittled or anything else. except Proud to be trusted in that position.
> Get over
> it. It is just a word. and has been accepted as long as there has been an
> SCA. There is no slight intended by anyone. and on the subject what ever
> was
> wrong with Autocrat, Nastycrat, instead at least with Autocrat, it was
> much
> more discriptive than Event Steward, and much faster to say.
>
> just my .02 cents worth,
> Innes
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> From: "Stephanie S Smith, Ph.D." <lambdakennels1 at juno.com>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] seeking people in Greenville/Commerce area
> To: rosenfeld at yahoogroups.com, steppes at ansteorra.org,
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> I just joined SCA this spring, and Steppes Warlord was my first event. I
> am looking for people in the Greenville/Commerce are who want to share
> rides to events, do demos, hang out, and play together. If you are
> interested, please contact me privately.
>
> Stephanie Lilburn
> aka Stephanie Smith, Ph.D.
> lambdakennels1 at juno.com
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> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:35:44 -0500
> From: Chris Zakes <moondrgn at earthlink.net>
> Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> Vol 26, Issue 14)
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
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> At 05:49 PM 7/11/2005, you wrote:
>
> >OK, I have to respond now. What is wrong with the term "troll"? I always
> >thought it added a bit of style or panache to have a "troll". It's so far
> >from mundanity. And I work troll at every event for Namron. And I happen
> >to think it's a cute term.
> >
> >We're starting to get into being politically correct here.
>
>
> I don't know that people are being *offended* by being called "trolls", but
> if we're trying to re-create history, then using actual historical terms
> instead of something cutesy and made-up makes more sense. I'm pretty sure
> that the person in charge of, say, the gates to a city *wasn't* called a
> "troll" (at least not to his face <G>) in period.
>
> -Tivar Moondragon
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:36:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Bethany Burke <damsle_n_distress2003 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> Vol 26, Issue 14)
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <20050712013647.34631.qmail at web60513.mail.yahoo.com>
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> Nastycrat= the person in charge of coordinating bathroom duties, i.e. cleaning, toilette paper, glow sticks, hand sanitizer, etc.
>
> Lady Elizabeth
>
> Matthias the Brewer <matthiasthebrewer at cox.net> wrote:
> Nastycrat? Oh I'm intrigued!!!
>
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> 26,Issue 14)
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>
> I have worked TROLL at many, many events, and have never felt insulted,
> belittled or anything else. except Proud to be trusted in that position.
> Get over
> it. It is just a word. and has been accepted as long as there has been an
> SCA. There is no slight intended by anyone. and on the subject what ever
> was
> wrong with Autocrat, Nastycrat, instead at least with Autocrat, it was
> much
> more discriptive than Event Steward, and much faster to say.
>
> just my .02 cents worth,
> Innes
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> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:24:23 -0500 (CDT)
> From: estarkey at camalott.com
> Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> Vol 26, Issue 14)
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
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> troll suits me just fine. been using it in the sca for years to find out
> where i pay my money, or where i sit to take other people's money. is not
> insulting. not meant to be insulting. is of course, not politically
> correct. hitting people with sticks is not politically correct either.
>
> nastycrat: potty patrol. resupplies the paper, cleans the johns, arranges
> to get portapotties, and that sort of things. double points for service
> at Gulf Wars.....
>
> ryah, who has been stick jock, autocrat, nastycrat, feastocrat,
> merchantcrat,troll, etc and will undoubtably be so again and again and
> again.
>
>
> Nastycrat? Oh I'm intrigued!!!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol
> > 26,Issue 14)
> >
> >
> > I have worked TROLL at many, many events, and have never felt insulted,
> > belittled or anything else. except Proud to be trusted in that position.
> > Get over
> > it. It is just a word. and has been accepted as long as there has been
> > an
> > SCA. There is no slight intended by anyone. and on the subject what ever
> > was
> > wrong with Autocrat, Nastycrat, instead at least with Autocrat, it was
> > much
> > more discriptive than Event Steward, and much faster to say.
> >
> > just my .02 cents worth,
> > Innes
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:11:01 -0500
> From: "Michael Gunter" <countgunthar at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Feasts? Names? Food? (long, grab a drink and read
> this in a bubblebath)
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <BAY104-F253D407E91CCB8B017F133DFDF0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
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> Okay, an avowed foodie and overall geek I had to chime in on
> this fascinating discussion.
>
> Annoying Gunthar comment #1:
>
> I think a tavern is great. Having been distantly involved in the
> late, lamented Black Wolf Tavern from Steppes Warlord for several
> years I think taverns are really nifty and a heck of a lot more
> convenient than many a feast. Now that I'm all touchy-feely
> and we are about to break into Kumbyah I'm going into true
> Gunthar form and be controversial. The thing that inspires my
> commentary is that, although I think the tavern is extremely
> groovy, I was dismayed at the menu. Hamburgers, hot dogs,
> chicken fried steak, etc... are great but I would have liked to
> see foods in a more period vein. Or "peri-oid" as us Mid-evil
> food geeks smugly call it. Things like grilled chicken, meat
> pies, sausages or whatever. There are lots of things out there
> that contribute to the overall feel without being too weird or
> period. One cool thing is that even period dishes can be
> just as easily prepared, consumed and enjoyed. Shoot, there
> are many of us who would be happy to give some ideas.
>
> Gunthar annoying rant #2: The Number One cook name at
> events. I'm a major antagonist of the rampant "O-crat mania"
> of the SCA. My personal Satan being "Co-Autocrat", how can
> you be the assistant Supreme Leader? So, the top cook names?
> I rather prefer "Archimagris" but when I use that people think
> I'm Dumbledore so I have to put my pointy hat away (unless I
> pretend I'm that new Dumbledore who resembles a rasta chef
> I used to be aquainted with). Other spiffy names are "Head Cook"
> (although that makes me think of cannibals), Chef de Cuisine (another
> favorite of mine because it sounds pompous and tight-assed),
> "Kitchener" was more used for the underlings (those are the people
> you see in my kitchens usually openly weeping) and the number
> one title for the sap who got suckered into feeding 200 very
> picky diners who want a 10 course Prime Rib dinner for $5 is..
> ...."The poor sap who got suckered into feeding 200 very picky
> diners who want a 10 course Prime Rib dinner for $5".
>
> (Postscript: a nifty title for the person in charge of drinks is
> "Botlier". Which was the person in charge of the casks of wine
> and such. The Botlier later became head of the staff and later
> evolved into the personal assistant to the head of the house
> and then even later became responsible for every murder ever
> committed)
>
> Gunthar rant number 3: (Even I don't know how long this is
> going to continue! I hear they've taken up a betting pool).
> Cutsey SCA names part deux.
> The period name for the person who sat and guarded the
> gate was "Guard of the Gate" or "Porter" but then folk
> arriving at 3 am will want the poor sap sitting and freezing
> his butt off to help them carry their bags. I think "Gate" is
> sufficient. Don't y'all?
>
> Those different little meals you get at feast? You know, we
> keep wondering what to call those courses so that we sound
> properly Mid-eeeeeval? Well, those courses are called....Courses!
> The mind boggles.
>
> What oh what shall we call those adorable little tykes raiding the
> coolers and chasing raccoons across the list field? "Children" or
> "Babies" are far too modern for us Medavelers. "Smalls" is cute.
> Well, if you want to call your little spittin-images "Underwear" that's
> just between you and your family counsellor. The mini-humans
> running between horses legs and thwacking the Lord on the legs
> with a stick were amusingly referred to as "Child", "Baby" and
> "Get away from me you little......darling".
>
> Words....without them we'd just grunt.
>
> Yers,
>
> Gunthar
>
> (Hey, I've been away so I have a new generation of Ansteorrans
> to burn me in effigy
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:15:55 -0500
> From: "Matthias the Brewer" <matthiasthebrewer at cox.net>
> Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> Vol 26, Issue 14)
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <ADEHIIBKJCLDCMNINPBKMEGECAAA.matthiasthebrewer at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> OK, I'm no longer intrigued.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org]On
> Behalf Of Bethany Burke
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:37 PM
> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
> Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol
> 26,Issue 14)
>
>
> Nastycrat= the person in charge of coordinating bathroom duties, i.e.
> cleaning, toilette paper, glow sticks, hand sanitizer, etc.
>
> Lady Elizabeth
>
> Matthias the Brewer <matthiasthebrewer at cox.net> wrote:
> Nastycrat? Oh I'm intrigued!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org]On
> Behalf Of Ldyinnes at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 6:13 PM
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol
> 26,Issue 14)
>
>
> I have worked TROLL at many, many events, and have never felt insulted,
> belittled or anything else. except Proud to be trusted in that position.
> Get over
> it. It is just a word. and has been accepted as long as there has been an
> SCA. There is no slight intended by anyone. and on the subject what ever
> was
> wrong with Autocrat, Nastycrat, instead at least with Autocrat, it was
> much
> more discriptive than Event Steward, and much faster to say.
>
> just my .02 cents worth,
> Innes
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> King...What was He thinking?
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:16:11 EDT
> From: Ldyinnes at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> Vol 26, Issue 14)
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> Matthias, those were the people who took care of the porta-potties, making
> sure there was paper, and light in them.
>
> Innes
>
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