[Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue 18

Linda keyna at hot.rr.com
Tue Jul 12 06:26:08 PDT 2005


Ya and some poor soul got the privilege of cleaning out the vomitorium
(YUCK). I hope that this person had no sence of smell what so ever.
Keyna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rhonda and Stephen Hays" <housedragonstar at earthlink.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue 18


> You do know that there was someone who worked in the castle whose job it
was
> to dig out the muck out the bottom of the indoor "outhouse".
>
> Surely, he had a name.
>
> I saw this in a library book my son brought home years ago.  You know, one
> of those with a bunch of cross sections with people working at various
tasks
> in the keep.
>
> Medb Liath
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Snorri Hallsson" <snorri.hallsson at gmail.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 9:50 PM
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue 18
>
>
> > Specific to Count Gunthar's longish rant, Snorri sez:
> >
> > "Tell It Brother Gunthar."
> >
> > Now, having said that, we've determined that:
> > a) some folks like "o-crat" names
> > b) some folks like "period" names
> > c) there are arguments for and against both sides
> > d) some folks like and use both depending on appropriateness of the
> > event; i.e. Brawlin' in the Bog XXXVIII, some local event hosted by
> > the Shire of Whatchamacallit with its own peculiar history, may have a
> > bog-o-crat but the Coronation of Heironymous and Consortia in the same
> > location will have event stewards, feast stewards, etc.
> > e) there is a recent trend to move toward a more period representation
> > of these event officers' titles but it, like all aspects of change in
> > the SCA, are done over a long amount of time and not without some
> > controversy or debate.
> > f) the nastycrat is that individual blessed (?) with the job of more
> > or less being the site's department of sanitation.
> >
> > So my question is this ... can anyone come up with a more period term
> > for a nastycrat?  I've heard of something for every position but that
> > one.  Thoughts, opinions, whacks upside the head?
> >
> > Snorri
> >
> > On 7/11/05, ansteorra-request at ansteorra.org
> > <ansteorra-request at ansteorra.org> wrote:
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> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >>   1. Re: Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26,   Issue
> >>      14) (Ldyinnes at aol.com)
> >>   2. RE: Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26,   Issue
> >>      14) (Matthias the Brewer)
> >>   3. seeking people in Greenville/Commerce area
> >>      (Stephanie S Smith, Ph.D.)
> >>   4. RE: Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,   Vol 26, Issue
> >>      14) (Chris Zakes)
> >>   5. RE: Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26,   Issue
> >>      14) (Bethany Burke)
> >>   6. RE: Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26,   Issue
> >>      14) (estarkey at camalott.com)
> >>   7. Feasts? Names? Food? (long,       grab a drink and read this in a
> >>      bubblebath) (Michael Gunter)
> >>   8. RE: Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26,   Issue
> >>      14) (Matthias the Brewer)
> >>   9. Re: Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26,   Issue
> >>      14) (Ldyinnes at aol.com)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:12:45 EDT
> >> From: Ldyinnes at aol.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> >>        Vol 26, Issue 14)
> >> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >> Message-ID: <19b.37a1b58d.300456ed at aol.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >>
> >> I have worked TROLL at many, many events, and have never felt insulted,
> >> belittled or anything else. except Proud to be trusted  in that
position.
> >> Get over
> >> it.   It is just a word. and has been accepted as long as there has
been
> >> an
> >> SCA.  There is no slight intended by anyone.  and on the subject what
> >> ever was
> >> wrong with   Autocrat, Nastycrat, instead at least with Autocrat, it
was
> >> much
> >> more discriptive than Event Steward, and much faster to say.
> >>
> >> just my .02 cents worth,
> >> Innes
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:22:00 -0500
> >> From: "Matthias the Brewer" <matthiasthebrewer at cox.net>
> >> Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> >>        Vol 26, Issue 14)
> >> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >> Message-ID: <ADEHIIBKJCLDCMNINPBKKEGCCAAA.matthiasthebrewer at cox.net>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> Nastycrat?  Oh I'm intrigued!!!
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org
> >> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org]On
> >> Behalf Of Ldyinnes at aol.com
> >> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 6:13 PM
> >> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
Vol
> >> 26,Issue 14)
> >>
> >>
> >> I have worked TROLL at many, many events, and have never felt insulted,
> >> belittled or anything else. except Proud to be trusted  in that
position.
> >> Get over
> >> it.   It is just a word. and has been accepted as long as there has
been
> >> an
> >> SCA.  There is no slight intended by anyone.  and on the subject what
> >> ever
> >> was
> >> wrong with   Autocrat, Nastycrat, instead at least with Autocrat, it
was
> >> much
> >> more discriptive than Event Steward, and much faster to say.
> >>
> >> just my .02 cents worth,
> >> Innes
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Ansteorra mailing list
> >> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:22:31 -0500
> >> From: "Stephanie S Smith, Ph.D." <lambdakennels1 at juno.com>
> >> Subject: [Ansteorra] seeking people in Greenville/Commerce area
> >> To: rosenfeld at yahoogroups.com, steppes at ansteorra.org,
> >>        ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >> Message-ID: <20050711.192311.-283465.1.lambdakennels1 at juno.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >> I just joined SCA this spring, and Steppes Warlord was my first event.
I
> >> am looking for people in the Greenville/Commerce are who want to share
> >> rides to events, do demos, hang out, and play together.  If you are
> >> interested, please contact me privately.
> >>
> >> Stephanie Lilburn
> >> aka Stephanie Smith, Ph.D.
> >> lambdakennels1 at juno.com
> >> Wolfe City, Texas 75496
> >> K5AMK
> >> Owned by a Standard Poodle and an Australian Cattle Dog
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:35:44 -0500
> >> From: Chris Zakes <moondrgn at earthlink.net>
> >> Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> >>        Vol 26, Issue 14)
> >> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050711202416.0370d008 at pop.earthlink.net>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >>
> >> At 05:49 PM 7/11/2005, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >OK, I have to respond now.  What is wrong with the term "troll"?  I
> >> >always
> >> >thought it added a bit of style or panache to have a "troll".  It's so
> >> >far
> >> >from mundanity.  And I work troll at every event for Namron.  And I
> >> >happen
> >> >to think it's a cute term.
> >> >
> >> >We're starting to get into being politically correct here.
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't know that people are being *offended* by being called "trolls",
> >> but
> >> if we're trying to re-create history, then using actual historical
terms
> >> instead of something cutesy and made-up makes more sense. I'm pretty
sure
> >> that the person in charge of, say, the gates to a city *wasn't* called
a
> >> "troll" (at least not to his face <G>) in period.
> >>
> >>         -Tivar Moondragon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 5
> >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:36:47 -0700 (PDT)
> >> From: Bethany Burke <damsle_n_distress2003 at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> >>        Vol 26, Issue 14)
> >> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >> Message-ID: <20050712013647.34631.qmail at web60513.mail.yahoo.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >>
> >> Nastycrat= the person in charge of coordinating bathroom duties, i.e.
> >> cleaning, toilette paper, glow sticks, hand sanitizer, etc.
> >>
> >> Lady Elizabeth
> >>
> >> Matthias the Brewer <matthiasthebrewer at cox.net> wrote:
> >> Nastycrat? Oh I'm intrigued!!!
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org
> >> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org]On
> >> Behalf Of Ldyinnes at aol.com
> >> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 6:13 PM
> >> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
Vol
> >> 26,Issue 14)
> >>
> >>
> >> I have worked TROLL at many, many events, and have never felt insulted,
> >> belittled or anything else. except Proud to be trusted in that
position.
> >> Get over
> >> it. It is just a word. and has been accepted as long as there has been
an
> >> SCA. There is no slight intended by anyone. and on the subject what
ever
> >> was
> >> wrong with Autocrat, Nastycrat, instead at least with Autocrat, it was
> >> much
> >> more discriptive than Event Steward, and much faster to say.
> >>
> >> just my .02 cents worth,
> >> Innes
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Ansteorra mailing list
> >> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Ansteorra mailing list
> >> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> >>
> >>
> >> No matter what others say or think of me I was called a Lady by the
> >> King...What was He thinking?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 6
> >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:24:23 -0500 (CDT)
> >> From: estarkey at camalott.com
> >> Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> >>        Vol 26, Issue 14)
> >> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >> Message-ID: <54106.148.78.249.33.1121135063.squirrel at 148.78.249.33>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
> >>
> >> troll suits me just fine.  been using it in the sca for years to find
out
> >> where i pay my money, or where i sit to take other people's money.  is
> >> not
> >> insulting.  not meant to be insulting. is of course, not politically
> >> correct.  hitting people with sticks is not politically correct either.
> >>
> >> nastycrat:  potty patrol. resupplies the paper, cleans the johns,
> >> arranges
> >> to get portapotties, and that sort of things.  double points for
service
> >> at Gulf Wars.....
> >>
> >> ryah, who has been stick jock, autocrat, nastycrat, feastocrat,
> >> merchantcrat,troll, etc and will undoubtably be so again and again and
> >> again.
> >>
> >>
> >>  Nastycrat?  Oh I'm intrigued!!!
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> >> > Vol
> >> > 26,Issue 14)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I have worked TROLL at many, many events, and have never felt
insulted,
> >> > belittled or anything else. except Proud to be trusted  in that
> >> > position.
> >> > Get over
> >> > it.   It is just a word. and has been accepted as long as there has
> >> > been
> >> > an
> >> > SCA.  There is no slight intended by anyone.  and on the subject what
> >> > ever
> >> > was
> >> > wrong with   Autocrat, Nastycrat, instead at least with Autocrat, it
> >> > was
> >> > much
> >> > more discriptive than Event Steward, and much faster to say.
> >> >
> >> > just my .02 cents worth,
> >> > Innes
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 7
> >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:11:01 -0500
> >> From: "Michael Gunter" <countgunthar at hotmail.com>
> >> Subject: [Ansteorra] Feasts? Names? Food? (long,        grab a drink
and
> >> read
> >>        this in a bubblebath)
> >> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >> Message-ID: <BAY104-F253D407E91CCB8B017F133DFDF0 at phx.gbl>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
> >>
> >> Okay, an avowed foodie and overall geek I had to chime in on
> >> this fascinating discussion.
> >>
> >> Annoying Gunthar comment #1:
> >>
> >> I think a tavern is great. Having been distantly involved in the
> >> late, lamented Black Wolf Tavern from Steppes Warlord for several
> >> years I think taverns are really nifty and a heck of a lot more
> >> convenient than many a feast. Now that I'm all touchy-feely
> >> and we are about to break into Kumbyah I'm going into true
> >> Gunthar form and be controversial. The thing that inspires my
> >> commentary is that, although I think the tavern is extremely
> >> groovy, I was dismayed at the menu. Hamburgers, hot dogs,
> >> chicken fried steak, etc... are great but I would have liked to
> >> see foods in a more period vein. Or "peri-oid" as us Mid-evil
> >> food geeks smugly call it. Things like grilled chicken, meat
> >> pies, sausages or whatever. There are lots of things out there
> >> that contribute to the overall feel without being too weird or
> >> period. One cool thing is that even period dishes can be
> >> just as easily prepared, consumed and enjoyed. Shoot, there
> >> are many of us who would be happy to give some ideas.
> >>
> >> Gunthar annoying rant #2: The Number One cook name at
> >> events. I'm a major antagonist of the rampant "O-crat mania"
> >> of the SCA. My personal Satan being "Co-Autocrat", how can
> >> you be the assistant Supreme Leader? So, the top cook names?
> >> I rather prefer "Archimagris" but when I use that people think
> >> I'm Dumbledore so I have to put my pointy hat away (unless I
> >> pretend I'm that new Dumbledore who resembles a rasta chef
> >> I used to be aquainted with). Other spiffy names are "Head Cook"
> >> (although that makes me think of cannibals), Chef de Cuisine (another
> >> favorite of mine because it sounds pompous and tight-assed),
> >> "Kitchener" was more used for the underlings (those are the people
> >> you see in my kitchens usually openly weeping) and the number
> >> one title for the sap who got suckered into feeding 200 very
> >> picky diners who want a 10 course Prime Rib dinner for $5 is..
> >> ...."The poor sap who got suckered into feeding 200 very picky
> >> diners who want a 10 course Prime Rib dinner for $5".
> >>
> >> (Postscript: a nifty title for the person in charge of drinks is
> >> "Botlier". Which was the person in charge of the casks of wine
> >> and such. The Botlier later became head of the staff and later
> >> evolved into the personal assistant to the head of the house
> >> and then even later became responsible for every murder ever
> >> committed)
> >>
> >> Gunthar rant number 3: (Even I don't know how long this is
> >> going to continue! I hear they've taken up a betting pool).
> >> Cutsey SCA names part deux.
> >> The period name for the person who sat and guarded the
> >> gate was "Guard of the Gate" or "Porter" but then folk
> >> arriving at 3 am will want the poor sap sitting and freezing
> >> his butt off to help them carry their bags. I think "Gate" is
> >> sufficient. Don't y'all?
> >>
> >> Those different little meals you get at feast? You know, we
> >> keep wondering what to call those courses so that we sound
> >> properly Mid-eeeeeval? Well, those courses are called....Courses!
> >> The mind boggles.
> >>
> >> What oh what shall we call those adorable little tykes raiding the
> >> coolers and chasing raccoons across the list field? "Children" or
> >> "Babies" are far too modern for us Medavelers. "Smalls" is cute.
> >> Well, if you want to call your little spittin-images "Underwear" that's
> >> just between you and your family counsellor. The mini-humans
> >> running between horses legs and thwacking the Lord on the legs
> >> with a stick were amusingly referred to as "Child", "Baby" and
> >> "Get away from me you little......darling".
> >>
> >> Words....without them we'd just grunt.
> >>
> >> Yers,
> >>
> >> Gunthar
> >>
> >> (Hey, I've been away so I have a new generation of Ansteorrans
> >> to burn me in effigy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 8
> >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:15:55 -0500
> >> From: "Matthias the Brewer" <matthiasthebrewer at cox.net>
> >> Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> >>        Vol 26, Issue 14)
> >> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> >> Message-ID: <ADEHIIBKJCLDCMNINPBKMEGECAAA.matthiasthebrewer at cox.net>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>
> >> OK,  I'm no longer intrigued.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org
> >> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org]On
> >> Behalf Of Bethany Burke
> >> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:37 PM
> >> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
> >> Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
Vol
> >> 26,Issue 14)
> >>
> >>
> >> Nastycrat= the person in charge of coordinating bathroom duties, i.e.
> >> cleaning, toilette paper, glow sticks, hand sanitizer, etc.
> >>
> >> Lady Elizabeth
> >>
> >> Matthias the Brewer <matthiasthebrewer at cox.net> wrote:
> >> Nastycrat? Oh I'm intrigued!!!
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org
> >> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org]On
> >> Behalf Of Ldyinnes at aol.com
> >> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 6:13 PM
> >> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
Vol
> >> 26,Issue 14)
> >>
> >>
> >> I have worked TROLL at many, many events, and have never felt insulted,
> >> belittled or anything else. except Proud to be trusted in that
position.
> >> Get over
> >> it. It is just a word. and has been accepted as long as there has been
an
> >> SCA. There is no slight intended by anyone. and on the subject what
ever
> >> was
> >> wrong with Autocrat, Nastycrat, instead at least with Autocrat, it was
> >> much
> >> more discriptive than Event Steward, and much faster to say.
> >>
> >> just my .02 cents worth,
> >> Innes
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Ansteorra mailing list
> >> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Ansteorra mailing list
> >> Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> >>
> >>
> >> No matter what others say or think of me I was called a Lady by the
> >> King...What was He thinking?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> Do You Yahoo!?
> >> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 9
> >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:16:11 EDT
> >> From: Ldyinnes at aol.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> >>        Vol 26, Issue 14)
> >> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> >> Message-ID: <d9.297e3cfb.300481eb at aol.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >>
> >> Matthias,  those were the people who took care of the porta-potties,
> >> making
> >> sure there was paper, and light in them.
> >>
> >> Innes
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
> >> End of Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue 18
> >> *****************************************
> >>
> >
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