[Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue 18
Linda
keyna at hot.rr.com
Tue Jul 12 06:17:33 PDT 2005
If you were a dung beetle you would be in heaven (Smiling silly)
Keyna
----- Original Message -----
From: "gilli" <gilli at hot.rr.com>
To: "Snorri Hallsson" <snorri.hallsson at gmail.com>; "Kingdom of Ansteorra -
SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue 18
> How about Dung Miester?
>
> Gilli
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Snorri Hallsson" <snorri.hallsson at gmail.com>
> To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 9:50 PM
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue 18
>
>
> > Specific to Count Gunthar's longish rant, Snorri sez:
> >
> > "Tell It Brother Gunthar."
> >
> > Now, having said that, we've determined that:
> > a) some folks like "o-crat" names
> > b) some folks like "period" names
> > c) there are arguments for and against both sides
> > d) some folks like and use both depending on appropriateness of the
> > event; i.e. Brawlin' in the Bog XXXVIII, some local event hosted by
> > the Shire of Whatchamacallit with its own peculiar history, may have a
> > bog-o-crat but the Coronation of Heironymous and Consortia in the same
> > location will have event stewards, feast stewards, etc.
> > e) there is a recent trend to move toward a more period representation
> > of these event officers' titles but it, like all aspects of change in
> > the SCA, are done over a long amount of time and not without some
> > controversy or debate.
> > f) the nastycrat is that individual blessed (?) with the job of more
> > or less being the site's department of sanitation.
> >
> > So my question is this ... can anyone come up with a more period term
> > for a nastycrat? I've heard of something for every position but that
> > one. Thoughts, opinions, whacks upside the head?
> >
> > Snorri
> >
> > On 7/11/05, ansteorra-request at ansteorra.org
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Re: Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue
> > > 14) (Ldyinnes at aol.com)
> > > 2. RE: Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue
> > > 14) (Matthias the Brewer)
> > > 3. seeking people in Greenville/Commerce area
> > > (Stephanie S Smith, Ph.D.)
> > > 4. RE: Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue
> > > 14) (Chris Zakes)
> > > 5. RE: Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue
> > > 14) (Bethany Burke)
> > > 6. RE: Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue
> > > 14) (estarkey at camalott.com)
> > > 7. Feasts? Names? Food? (long, grab a drink and read this in a
> > > bubblebath) (Michael Gunter)
> > > 8. RE: Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue
> > > 14) (Matthias the Brewer)
> > > 9. Re: Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 26, Issue
> > > 14) (Ldyinnes at aol.com)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:12:45 EDT
> > > From: Ldyinnes at aol.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> > > Vol 26, Issue 14)
> > > To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > > Message-ID: <19b.37a1b58d.300456ed at aol.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> > >
> > > I have worked TROLL at many, many events, and have never felt
insulted,
> > > belittled or anything else. except Proud to be trusted in that
> position. Get over
> > > it. It is just a word. and has been accepted as long as there has
been
> an
> > > SCA. There is no slight intended by anyone. and on the subject what
> ever was
> > > wrong with Autocrat, Nastycrat, instead at least with Autocrat, it
was
> much
> > > more discriptive than Event Steward, and much faster to say.
> > >
> > > just my .02 cents worth,
> > > Innes
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:22:00 -0500
> > > From: "Matthias the Brewer" <matthiasthebrewer at cox.net>
> > > Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> > > Vol 26, Issue 14)
> > > To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> > > Message-ID: <ADEHIIBKJCLDCMNINPBKKEGCCAAA.matthiasthebrewer at cox.net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > > Nastycrat? Oh I'm intrigued!!!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org
> > > [mailto:ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org]On
> > > Behalf Of Ldyinnes at aol.com
> > > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 6:13 PM
> > > To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
Vol
> > > 26,Issue 14)
> > >
> > >
> > > I have worked TROLL at many, many events, and have never felt
insulted,
> > > belittled or anything else. except Proud to be trusted in that
> position.
> > > Get over
> > > it. It is just a word. and has been accepted as long as there has
been
> an
> > > SCA. There is no slight intended by anyone. and on the subject what
> ever
> > > was
> > > wrong with Autocrat, Nastycrat, instead at least with Autocrat, it
was
> > > much
> > > more discriptive than Event Steward, and much faster to say.
> > >
> > > just my .02 cents worth,
> > > Innes
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ansteorra mailing list
> > > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:22:31 -0500
> > > From: "Stephanie S Smith, Ph.D." <lambdakennels1 at juno.com>
> > > Subject: [Ansteorra] seeking people in Greenville/Commerce area
> > > To: rosenfeld at yahoogroups.com, steppes at ansteorra.org,
> > > ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > > Message-ID: <20050711.192311.-283465.1.lambdakennels1 at juno.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > >
> > > I just joined SCA this spring, and Steppes Warlord was my first event.
> I
> > > am looking for people in the Greenville/Commerce are who want to share
> > > rides to events, do demos, hang out, and play together. If you are
> > > interested, please contact me privately.
> > >
> > > Stephanie Lilburn
> > > aka Stephanie Smith, Ph.D.
> > > lambdakennels1 at juno.com
> > > Wolfe City, Texas 75496
> > > K5AMK
> > > Owned by a Standard Poodle and an Australian Cattle Dog
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:35:44 -0500
> > > From: Chris Zakes <moondrgn at earthlink.net>
> > > Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> > > Vol 26, Issue 14)
> > > To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> > > Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050711202416.0370d008 at pop.earthlink.net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> > >
> > > At 05:49 PM 7/11/2005, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >OK, I have to respond now. What is wrong with the term "troll"? I
> always
> > > >thought it added a bit of style or panache to have a "troll". It's
so
> far
> > > >from mundanity. And I work troll at every event for Namron. And I
> happen
> > > >to think it's a cute term.
> > > >
> > > >We're starting to get into being politically correct here.
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't know that people are being *offended* by being called
"trolls",
> but
> > > if we're trying to re-create history, then using actual historical
terms
> > > instead of something cutesy and made-up makes more sense. I'm pretty
> sure
> > > that the person in charge of, say, the gates to a city *wasn't* called
a
> > > "troll" (at least not to his face <G>) in period.
> > >
> > > -Tivar Moondragon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:36:47 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: Bethany Burke <damsle_n_distress2003 at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> > > Vol 26, Issue 14)
> > > To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> > > Message-ID: <20050712013647.34631.qmail at web60513.mail.yahoo.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> > >
> > > Nastycrat= the person in charge of coordinating bathroom duties, i.e.
> cleaning, toilette paper, glow sticks, hand sanitizer, etc.
> > >
> > > Lady Elizabeth
> > >
> > > Matthias the Brewer <matthiasthebrewer at cox.net> wrote:
> > > Nastycrat? Oh I'm intrigued!!!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org
> > > [mailto:ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org]On
> > > Behalf Of Ldyinnes at aol.com
> > > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 6:13 PM
> > > To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
Vol
> > > 26,Issue 14)
> > >
> > >
> > > I have worked TROLL at many, many events, and have never felt
insulted,
> > > belittled or anything else. except Proud to be trusted in that
position.
> > > Get over
> > > it. It is just a word. and has been accepted as long as there has been
> an
> > > SCA. There is no slight intended by anyone. and on the subject what
ever
> > > was
> > > wrong with Autocrat, Nastycrat, instead at least with Autocrat, it was
> > > much
> > > more discriptive than Event Steward, and much faster to say.
> > >
> > > just my .02 cents worth,
> > > Innes
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > No matter what others say or think of me I was called a Lady by the
> King...What was He thinking?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
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> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:24:23 -0500 (CDT)
> > > From: estarkey at camalott.com
> > > Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> > > Vol 26, Issue 14)
> > > To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> > > Message-ID: <54106.148.78.249.33.1121135063.squirrel at 148.78.249.33>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
> > >
> > > troll suits me just fine. been using it in the sca for years to find
> out
> > > where i pay my money, or where i sit to take other people's money. is
> not
> > > insulting. not meant to be insulting. is of course, not politically
> > > correct. hitting people with sticks is not politically correct
either.
> > >
> > > nastycrat: potty patrol. resupplies the paper, cleans the johns,
> arranges
> > > to get portapotties, and that sort of things. double points for
service
> > > at Gulf Wars.....
> > >
> > > ryah, who has been stick jock, autocrat, nastycrat, feastocrat,
> > > merchantcrat,troll, etc and will undoubtably be so again and again and
> > > again.
> > >
> > >
> > > Nastycrat? Oh I'm intrigued!!!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> Vol
> > > > 26,Issue 14)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have worked TROLL at many, many events, and have never felt
> insulted,
> > > > belittled or anything else. except Proud to be trusted in that
> position.
> > > > Get over
> > > > it. It is just a word. and has been accepted as long as there has
> been
> > > > an
> > > > SCA. There is no slight intended by anyone. and on the subject
what
> ever
> > > > was
> > > > wrong with Autocrat, Nastycrat, instead at least with Autocrat, it
> was
> > > > much
> > > > more discriptive than Event Steward, and much faster to say.
> > > >
> > > > just my .02 cents worth,
> > > > Innes
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:11:01 -0500
> > > From: "Michael Gunter" <countgunthar at hotmail.com>
> > > Subject: [Ansteorra] Feasts? Names? Food? (long, grab a drink
and
> read
> > > this in a bubblebath)
> > > To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > > Message-ID: <BAY104-F253D407E91CCB8B017F133DFDF0 at phx.gbl>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
> > >
> > > Okay, an avowed foodie and overall geek I had to chime in on
> > > this fascinating discussion.
> > >
> > > Annoying Gunthar comment #1:
> > >
> > > I think a tavern is great. Having been distantly involved in the
> > > late, lamented Black Wolf Tavern from Steppes Warlord for several
> > > years I think taverns are really nifty and a heck of a lot more
> > > convenient than many a feast. Now that I'm all touchy-feely
> > > and we are about to break into Kumbyah I'm going into true
> > > Gunthar form and be controversial. The thing that inspires my
> > > commentary is that, although I think the tavern is extremely
> > > groovy, I was dismayed at the menu. Hamburgers, hot dogs,
> > > chicken fried steak, etc... are great but I would have liked to
> > > see foods in a more period vein. Or "peri-oid" as us Mid-evil
> > > food geeks smugly call it. Things like grilled chicken, meat
> > > pies, sausages or whatever. There are lots of things out there
> > > that contribute to the overall feel without being too weird or
> > > period. One cool thing is that even period dishes can be
> > > just as easily prepared, consumed and enjoyed. Shoot, there
> > > are many of us who would be happy to give some ideas.
> > >
> > > Gunthar annoying rant #2: The Number One cook name at
> > > events. I'm a major antagonist of the rampant "O-crat mania"
> > > of the SCA. My personal Satan being "Co-Autocrat", how can
> > > you be the assistant Supreme Leader? So, the top cook names?
> > > I rather prefer "Archimagris" but when I use that people think
> > > I'm Dumbledore so I have to put my pointy hat away (unless I
> > > pretend I'm that new Dumbledore who resembles a rasta chef
> > > I used to be aquainted with). Other spiffy names are "Head Cook"
> > > (although that makes me think of cannibals), Chef de Cuisine (another
> > > favorite of mine because it sounds pompous and tight-assed),
> > > "Kitchener" was more used for the underlings (those are the people
> > > you see in my kitchens usually openly weeping) and the number
> > > one title for the sap who got suckered into feeding 200 very
> > > picky diners who want a 10 course Prime Rib dinner for $5 is..
> > > ...."The poor sap who got suckered into feeding 200 very picky
> > > diners who want a 10 course Prime Rib dinner for $5".
> > >
> > > (Postscript: a nifty title for the person in charge of drinks is
> > > "Botlier". Which was the person in charge of the casks of wine
> > > and such. The Botlier later became head of the staff and later
> > > evolved into the personal assistant to the head of the house
> > > and then even later became responsible for every murder ever
> > > committed)
> > >
> > > Gunthar rant number 3: (Even I don't know how long this is
> > > going to continue! I hear they've taken up a betting pool).
> > > Cutsey SCA names part deux.
> > > The period name for the person who sat and guarded the
> > > gate was "Guard of the Gate" or "Porter" but then folk
> > > arriving at 3 am will want the poor sap sitting and freezing
> > > his butt off to help them carry their bags. I think "Gate" is
> > > sufficient. Don't y'all?
> > >
> > > Those different little meals you get at feast? You know, we
> > > keep wondering what to call those courses so that we sound
> > > properly Mid-eeeeeval? Well, those courses are called....Courses!
> > > The mind boggles.
> > >
> > > What oh what shall we call those adorable little tykes raiding the
> > > coolers and chasing raccoons across the list field? "Children" or
> > > "Babies" are far too modern for us Medavelers. "Smalls" is cute.
> > > Well, if you want to call your little spittin-images "Underwear"
that's
> > > just between you and your family counsellor. The mini-humans
> > > running between horses legs and thwacking the Lord on the legs
> > > with a stick were amusingly referred to as "Child", "Baby" and
> > > "Get away from me you little......darling".
> > >
> > > Words....without them we'd just grunt.
> > >
> > > Yers,
> > >
> > > Gunthar
> > >
> > > (Hey, I've been away so I have a new generation of Ansteorrans
> > > to burn me in effigy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 8
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:15:55 -0500
> > > From: "Matthias the Brewer" <matthiasthebrewer at cox.net>
> > > Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> > > Vol 26, Issue 14)
> > > To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> > > Message-ID: <ADEHIIBKJCLDCMNINPBKMEGECAAA.matthiasthebrewer at cox.net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > OK, I'm no longer intrigued.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org
> > > [mailto:ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org]On
> > > Behalf Of Bethany Burke
> > > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:37 PM
> > > To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
> > > Subject: RE: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
Vol
> > > 26,Issue 14)
> > >
> > >
> > > Nastycrat= the person in charge of coordinating bathroom duties, i.e.
> > > cleaning, toilette paper, glow sticks, hand sanitizer, etc.
> > >
> > > Lady Elizabeth
> > >
> > > Matthias the Brewer <matthiasthebrewer at cox.net> wrote:
> > > Nastycrat? Oh I'm intrigued!!!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org
> > > [mailto:ansteorra-bounces+matthiasthebrewer=cox.net at ansteorra.org]On
> > > Behalf Of Ldyinnes at aol.com
> > > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 6:13 PM
> > > To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
Vol
> > > 26,Issue 14)
> > >
> > >
> > > I have worked TROLL at many, many events, and have never felt
insulted,
> > > belittled or anything else. except Proud to be trusted in that
position.
> > > Get over
> > > it. It is just a word. and has been accepted as long as there has been
> an
> > > SCA. There is no slight intended by anyone. and on the subject what
ever
> > > was
> > > wrong with Autocrat, Nastycrat, instead at least with Autocrat, it was
> > > much
> > > more discriptive than Event Steward, and much faster to say.
> > >
> > > just my .02 cents worth,
> > > Innes
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ansteorra mailing list
> > > Ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/ansteorra
> > >
> > >
> > > No matter what others say or think of me I was called a Lady by the
> > > King...What was He thinking?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 9
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:16:11 EDT
> > > From: Ldyinnes at aol.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Job descriptions (was Re: Ansteorra Digest,
> > > Vol 26, Issue 14)
> > > To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> > > Message-ID: <d9.297e3cfb.300481eb at aol.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> > >
> > > Matthias, those were the people who took care of the porta-potties,
> making
> > > sure there was paper, and light in them.
> > >
> > > Innes
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
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> > >
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