[Ansteorra] Question 11/18

Simone Ui'Dunlaingh simonemu at gmail.com
Sat Nov 19 10:20:42 PST 2005

I live in a small group

When I  first moved here from a larger very active group. i came in
supporting kingdom with the same furver that normaly did without
getting to know the tone or make up of the group down here. the
results were icky!!!  I was the bull in the perverbial china shop. The
aftermath of which was emotionaly painful, things are better now, and
our little group is more aware of things on a kingdome level.  I
learned a few valueable lessons.

1) sit down and listen. (see where the group is and where they want to go.
2) Let folks know where you are going. politely ask them if they want to go.
3) don't tell them you think they are (whatever you think they
are..you can think it just don't say it)
4) have a member of the group (if you are new to the area) that has
been there longer than you suggest doing a kingdom level event (that
way they do not feel your trying to take over)
5) work with newcomers without spreading any negitve feelings you have
about others.
6) let others see the benifits of traveling to other events. and hear
about them form  those who go with you.

In some instances it takes time to shift a groups eyes from themselves
to kingdom. it can be done gradually  with the efforts of like minded
people. it can not however be forced without bringing about
resentment. this I learned from experiance. though my intentions were
good the way I went about it was disasterous.

Our small group is involved with kingdom today.; and today when i have
a bright Idea for my group I Stop, Look, Listen and talk with a few
who have been here longer than I. if they agree one of them take it
forward. I do not get alot of word fame for it. but that's not what
matters. that group keeps growing and stays united  is what matters. 
I can get word fame from other things I do across kingdom without
haveing to disrupt my local group.

for me it is a lesson I learned the hard way, and one I am greatful
for having learned.


On 11/19/05, niklas at pbgilbert.net <niklas at pbgilbert.net> wrote:
> Ok, however, let's say that they make concerted efforts (thru various
> means and people) to impose their views and idea of the SCA (a personal
> party club) on rest of the group, despite efforts to negotiate "peace
> and cooperation".
> Add to this issue the fact that there are more of them than the folks
> that travel and wish to participate in the "true" SCA, not the SCA that
>   is practiced in someones living room.
> Keep in mind that the attitude of the ones being dealt with do not deal
> in logic and trying to "educate them in the SCA" results only in
> confrontation, laughter (ridicule) and no results.
> Niklas
> Paul DeLisle wrote:
> > My answer would be this:
> >
> > They get to play locally...and contribute in whatever way they wish to the
> > local group (as long as it's legal)...however, they *don't* get to impose
> > their personal view on others, or the group as a whole.
> > It's the responsibility of the others in the group (or those that travel
> > there), especially those with experience, to see that they do not do so.
> > You need to make the Bigger, Brighter, Kingdom-level playing more attractive
> > than the tiny, "safe" little community that might have been created locally.
> >
> > Easy?...probably not. But necessary? Absolutely.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> > In Service, I remain
> > Alden Pharamond
> > Tir Medoin, Ansteorra
> >
> >
> >
> > A caveat here that may change this equation...
> > What if the ones that do not travel, refuse to travel or even
> > participate on a local level except in their own skewed view of the SCA.
> > Niklas
> >
> >
> >
> > Vicki Marsh wrote:
> >
> >>Cross-pollination.
> >>
> >>And, if Mohammed won't come to the mountain, then the mountain must come
> >
> > to
> >
> >>Mohammed.
> >>
> >>The *real* leaders of the groups must travel and make connections with
> >
> > other
> >
> >>groups that are socially different from theirs in nature. They must make
> >>connections with others and work to invite the outsiders to come to events
> >>where the insulated populace can meet them and have a sharing of ideas and
> >
> > a
> >
> >>shared experience with the "foreigners". Groups tend to become xenophobic
> >
> > if
> >
> >>they never come in contact with other groups. It becomes an SCA groups
> >
> > that
> >
> >>is almost like the Branch Davidians - Us vs. Them, and my way is the only
> >>ONE true way..... I've seen more groups self-destruct when they become
> >>"ego-centric" because they revolve around one person's ego and it is their
> >>way, or else...
> >>
> >>Real leaders, whether officers/nobles, or not, will understand that they
> >>have to expose their groups to other schools of thought and ways of
> >
> > playing
> >
> >>the SCA. They also need to work steadfastly to counter the peer fear that
> >
> > we
> >
> >>tend to instill in our new people over time. Leaders also need to lead by
> >>example by traveling and teaching, as well as bringing along members of
> >>their household/shire/barony/etc., so they can all learn new things
> >>together.
> >>
> >>Rambling from lack of sleep,
> >>
> >>Xene
> >
> >
> >
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Simone Ui'Dunlaingh
Good Orderly Direction:
is the thought or Idea;
Which is not based on Ego.

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