[Ansteorra] Celtic history (was: Romantic Personas)

Jay Yeates jyeates at realtime.net
Wed Sep 14 12:22:36 PDT 2005

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Marc Carlson
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* ... If "Danu/Danae" is from the wrong time and place to have any relevant
contribution, I'm not sure that dragging in a Sumerian God to asttribute it
to an Irish ancestral group is any -more- of the right time and place to be
Danu/Danae are greek aspects from the wrong point in the settlement waves
from mespotamia, into balkans where they blended with cultural input from
the indic regions (settled earlier), and then on into europe - with a side
branch going south into greece.  see the excellent preliminary work by
national geographic on their world-wide charting the spread of humanity via
DNA analysis

* ... Again, wrong time and place to have ANY relevant influence on this
"Albigensian" is derived from the name of the town of Albi in southern
France (founded in the Roman period as Albiga, which considerably post dates
any version of the Milesian/Tuadha conflict.)
nope ... the people came first and gave the name to the city you mention ...
"albi-gens" - gens = line, albi (elbi ot ylbi) a feminine form that implies
"royal lineage" in a matrilineal race.  the albi-gens were later venerated
as "the shining ones" or "elves" (same as was applied to the tuadha d'anu)
these designations can be found deep in the bible and mesopotamia related to
a very old proto-race that seemed to spread to many places (into egypt from
somewhere, into mesopotamia, one branch moving on into india, another into
balkans and on into the region today called france & spain - where later
waves jumped off to britain and ireland.  

origionally the word "El" designated a "god" or "lofty one" (likely someone
who came from somewhere with betetr tech & science than you had ... again, a
classic description of the Tuadh d'Anu).  in Mesopotamian Sumer it meant
"shining one" .. in Akkad it was "Ilu" (male for, .. female was Lilu -
Lillith).  as it spread it evolved into "Ellyl" in wales, "Allil" in ireland
(familiar?), Ael on saxony, Elf in england  .. and plural of El is "Elohim"
(3rd century BC) - which the bible (see Book of Enoch for one) to designate
these "gods".  in gaelic cornwal & south west englndthe word "el" was te
equivalent to te Anglic-Saxon "engel", which in English becomes "angel" 

see where all this is going (and scratches surface of a question in first
post in thread on what happened to the Tuadth d'Anu (and where did they come
from).  for more detail on the linguistic side of things see the work i
cited in last post (his work on words and their growth are priceless)

* .... You know, this is an interesting re-interpretation of the
Indo-European folks coming west (not to mention SW (the Hitittes), South
(The Indo Aryan
people) and west (the Tocharians).
Unfortunately, I seem to have missed any evidence (ok any -reputable-
evidence) that the Scythians had about as much in common with anyone the
Tuatha might have been as they did with the ancient Scandinavians, the
Romans, the Greeks, and so on.
again, see the book cited last post and the bibliography section - pp375-387
is a good place to start.  many of them are know to me in my past degree
work in celtic cultures and later ... been devouring  his citations as fast
as i can locate them.  one of my treasured history profs taught that when
the history becomes dogmatic, it's time to break it up and start back at
"first principals" with new eyes and better understandings. 

* ... Oh, never mind...
it's always easier to be dismissive and cleave to the accepted and safe than
open ones mind to new possibilities ...

new eye's, new ways of looking .. some of his stuff is a bit odd on the
edges (but interesting "speculation" that gets you thinking in new ways ..
granted some of it's really on the edges - but who wasn't when they broke
away from the herd-think and charted new territories.), but his core stuff
is pretty solid.  especially royal lineages of europe, linguistic change &
drift, primary document re-examination, and looking past accepted dogmas and
trying new ways of looking at things.  he's one of several authors beginning
to write on such things .. but his stuff is the most generally accessible

as such things go, time will tell, though i expect you will be hearing much
more along these lines.  

... discordia lo volt! 

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