[Ansteorra] Blacksmithing q's

Ron Hardy rhemail at swbell.net
Fri Jun 2 20:32:58 PDT 2006 

For those following this discussion let me explain. "Quenching"  is generally considered to be the cooling of hot metal to cool metal for a number of reasons. Sometimes quenching metal that is heated to red will harden it (assuming it has enough carbon content), sometimes it's just so you can handel it. The oil finish your talking about is sometimes used as a finish to keep the metal from rusting a bit and will help darken it some as well. On a decrotive piece, motor oil might be used. On an eating utinsel, edible oils might be used. It is a semi durable finish that can be repeated if nessary. It is much like seasoning an iron skillet before cooking your corn bread with it. The metal is heated to a low "black" heat and dipped in the oil or the oil is rubbed on until the piece stops smoking. If the piece is to hot the oil can and often does burst into flames- an oil fire. For general blacksmithing use water for cooling and then the oil if you want.

Fritz

----- Original Message ----
From: Lady Valkyrie <lady-valkyrie at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, June 2, 2006 9:33:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Blacksmithing q's

Hmmm I believe he used olive or vegetable oil, perhaps they are less
volatile - we made a lot of food type items...spoons, ladles, knives, and
other camping equipment in a 17th century style forge.  It was in a deep
pot.  I am not saying his way was necessarily right - just that it was how I
learned to do it.  So then, I know using the oil blackens the metal and
keeps away rust very well.  How do y'all do that without the oil - without
using those nasty stove black sprays?  Or does quenching it do that anyways
- regardless of what it is quenched in...I am clueless on this matter, and
not likely to jump right in uninformed as I am merely crazy - not insane...


Thanks for the advice everyone, 
Little Kris

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Lisa
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:00 PM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Blacksmithing q's

My Lady, my husband worked a forge for years before he ended up in a
wheelchair, and is trying to figure out how to get back into it safely, but
he often speaks about quenching hot iron in water with an equal layer of old
motor oil. He also emphasizes the need for care while quenching hot metal
even with this combination.

Elizabeta of Rundel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lady Valkyrie" <lady-valkyrie at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Ron Hardy'" <rhemail at swbell.net>; "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'"
<ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Blacksmithing q's


> Thank you good sir, for the warning, I have indeed seen some of the risks
> involved, but the blacksmith I learned from for years used this method to
> protect the metal from rusting.  I do not believe we ever put red hot
metal
> in, but just hot metal.  It always created a lasting finish on the metal,
> and his teacher did the same.  I know that if the metal is too hot, it can
> cause a problem..but I will be happy to call you and discuss at further
> length the risks involved.
>
>
>
> Little Kris
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hardy
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 8:32 PM
> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Blacksmithing q's
>
>
>
> Good lady please call me before you start quenching hot metal in oil. It
has
> a real possibility of creating a large fire. I am an amature blacksimth
and
> also create and sell blacksmith oreinted videos (sorry for the plug) and
> will be happy to help. I however do not type and so long answers on email
> don't work for me.
> Master Fritz
> (214) 821-1223
> www.teachingtapes.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 2, 2006 12:28:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Blacksmithing q's
>
> On Jun 1, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Lady Valkyrie wrote:
> > I have a couple questions for those on the list who have blacksmithing
> > experience.
>
> > My skills, pardon the pun, are rusty, but I miss working iron and
> > steel.  If
> > anyone knows where I can obtain these things - I would appreciate it.
> >
> > Thank you all,
> > Little Kris
>
> I have forwarded your message to a blacksmithing friend in the East
> Kingdom who can probably answer all the questions you are asking
> here. There are also several blacksmithing mail lists available, some
> of which have a number of SCA members on them.
>
> You might also find some of the files in the CRAFTS section of the
> Florilegium useful, such as:
> Blacksmithing-bib  (4K)  2/24/03    "Medieval Blacksmithing
> Bibliography"
>                                         by Master Tamlene ap Guidgen,
> O.L.
> blacksmithing-msg (49K)  7/15/05    Blacksmithing, forges, tools.
> blksm-anvils-msg  (36K)  1/26/99    Blacksmithing anvils. sources.
> blksm-forges-msg  (37K)  8/24/98    Blacksmithing forges. sources.
> blksm-welding-msg (23K)  3/25/97    Forge welding. fluxes.
> bladesmithing-msg (62K)  7/25/04    Steel sources, making knives and
> swords.
> Forg-Cnstrctn-art (18K)  4/28/02    "A Simple Portable Brake Drum Forge"
>                                         by Master Magnus Malleus.
>
> Stefan
> --------
> THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
>     Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas
> StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
> **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****
>
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