[Ansteorra] Land and Title . . . (Was Squires, Spurs and belts, OH MY!)

Faelan Caimbeul faelancaimbeul at gmail.com
Sat Jun 24 12:32:35 PDT 2006

That's my point. There are many in this Kingdom of knightly bearing who are
not knights. I think this is more defining than title. Unfortunately though,
I have also found not just Knights, but other peers as well who are not as
deserving of those titles anymore. It's sad, but some people work their
tails off to get something, then seem to forget why they got it and it
looses it's value. 

The SCA doesn't strip people of "land and title" do they? I've personally
never heard of it, although BOD banishment would kind of seem to effectively
do just that. What I'm wondering is, has there ever been a case when a
Monarch decided that someone was so disgracing their Order, Coronet,
Peerage, etc. that he actually stripped the person of that rank/title?

I'm just bringing this up cause I saw Robin Hood again last night and
Lochsley got stripped of "land and title". 


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[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Michael Smith
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 6:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Spurs (was:Squire belts (was: Sable Thistle...etc.)

Nobody would ever suggest that the symbols we use for knighthood define the 
person.  That's like the Lieutenant in "Good Morning Vietnam" who said that 
being saluted was what being an officer was all about.  :)  These symbols 
are  advertising.  They say to our world, "Please hold this person to the 
highest standard, for this person that you may not know is a knight."

Some would say that the knight's bearing should tell the world that he or 
she is a knight.  But we have non-bedubbed individuals in this kingdom who's

bearing is also knightly, many of them Lions of Ansteorra. So sometimes this

outward symbol is necessary, and why in our society it is reserved.

Just my opinion.


From: "Faelan Caimbeul" <faelancaimbeul at gmail.com>
Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Spurs (was:Squire belts (was: Sable Thistle...etc.)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:02:53 -0500

Actually, what I was getting at is that all these symbols, in the context we
use them, are contrivences. As many people have said, these things can be
found in period, never (so far as I'm aware), used together in the fashion
we do, ie. denoting knighthood. Do I respect them as symbols in the Society,
YES. However, what defines a person is inside, not what he wears around his
neck, waist or ankles. A warrior, which is what a knight is in any period
and country we study, is defined by his actions, not his clothing. He knows
he's an honorable warrior. Others know he is an honorable warrior. That's
what counts. Yes, I'm being completely philosophical and not historical,
sorry about the confusion.


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