[Ansteorra] Change in Ansteorra

Tue Nov 7 14:19:47 PST 2006

Salut cozyns,

Okay, we're getting clearer. A couple items of note, in reverse order of 
occurence. Her Excellency dit qe:

> > as for the suggestion that "we need to adjust our armor standards to
> > be more in line with Kingdom Q," please put it out of your head.
>
>Not an easy thing to put out of one’s mind when the proposal is that we
>adopt corporate armor standards across the board to put us in line with
>every other kingdom. Or did I miss the point?

Yes, Excellency, I think you might have missed the point. Or I might have 
misstated it. Two points, really:

First, reducing our armor standards to SCA minimums would not be adopting 
corporate standards. We already rely on the corporate standards. To that 
extent, we're already in line with every other kingdom. Essentially, we'd be 
scraping off a lot of extra stuff we've layered on over the years.

Secondly, although three kingdoms (possibly a couple of others) have already 
taken the step we're suggesting (eliminating additional armor restrictions 
over the SCA minimums), taking that step would not put us in line with every 
other kingdom. If, at some future date, other kingdoms saw the wisdom in 
doing this, that change would ultimately simplify interkingdom activities 
and travel.

Also, as for the rebel Ansteorrans:

> > Third, honestly, that whole rebellious Ansteorra thang is ancient
> > history.
>
>You think so? I doubt it. I don’t think all the Ansteorran rebels are
>dead and gone by a long shot. It just takes sufficient cause to
>motivate them to action. Thereagain, I’m sure YMMV.

Oh, I know the rebels are mostly still alive and no doubt as ornery as ever. 
What I meant is that the corporate perception of Ansteorra as a rebellious 
hinterland is ancient history. Local memory is always longer than 
bureaucratic memory.

lo vostre per vos servir
Meser Lyonel
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>From: Lori Campbell <countesskat at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
><ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Change in Ansteorra
>Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:38:10 -0800 (PST)
>
>El caballero Lyonel elocuente escribió:
>
> > Wow. That's a stretch, Excellency. First, no one has suggested
> > putting us under any corporate umbrella.
>
>HuH?  The stretch is the implication that I was suggesting any such
>thing. My comment was only that, given our history, I would’ve been
>surprised if someone hadn’t made that connection.
>
> > Second, this suggestion came from within. I don't believe we've even
> > discussed this on the SCA Chivalry list…
>
>Sigh. I didn’t say *this topic* is a conspiracy from on high, or that
>the chivalry were involved (sneaky little buggers that they are ;). I
>think what I tried to say (evidently not very well) is that in the past
>there were rumors of conspiracy. Rumors of conspiracy and actual
>conspiracy are not the same thing at all.
>
> > Third, honestly, that whole rebellious Ansteorra thang is ancient
> > history.
>
>You think so? I doubt it. I don’t think all the Ansteorran rebels are
>dead and gone by a long shot. It just takes sufficient cause to
>motivate them to action. Thereagain, I’m sure YMMV.
>
> > as for the suggestion that "we need to adjust our armor standards to
> > be more in line with Kingdom Q," please put it out of your head.
>
>Not an easy thing to put out of one’s mind when the proposal is that we
>adopt corporate armor standards across the board to put us in line with
>every other kingdom. Or did I miss the point?
>
> > As for the idea that eliminating our Armor standards will make us
> > less Ansteorran, let's examine the changes in light of that
> > suggestion.
>
>You can go there if you want. I still think that falls under the realm
>of speculation (what *might* happen *if* we do a certain thing.)
>
> > Sweeping change? Hardly.
>
>I agree that the difference between ¼ and ½ inch of padding is
>negligible and hardly worth arguing.  Taking Ansteorran rules and
>eliminating them altogether?  That equates to a sweeping change in my
>book.  It shouldn't surprise anyone that I dislike the idea of putting
>“whatever corporate currently requires is fine with us” in our Kingdom
>participant’s handbook. Others have done a good job of presenting
>arguments on why this might be a bad idea. I don't feel the need to
>cover the same ground.
>
> > Well, if you honestly perceive a potential risk, I'd love to hear
> > about it.
>
>Most of my perceptions of risk involve a lot of that darned flag waving
>stuff. That said, I’ll save my personal soapbox for my online journal;
>that way I’m not roughing a captive audience. :)  Any attempt I might
>make here would doubtless be taken personally by someone, somewhere,
>and used to beat me later.
>
>Respectfully,
>Kat MacLochlainn >^.,.^<
>
>
>
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