[Ansteorra] Ansteorra Digest, Vol 5, Issue 26
rondamorgan at prodigy.net
rondamorgan at prodigy.net
Fri Sep 15 14:56:26 PDT 2006
I have enjoyed this thread so much. I have Played in the SCA for a number of
years and have had a lot of fun. My personna is Italian Renn in the winter
and Roman in the HOT Ansteorra summers. Since I am a lady of some gerth I
get hot easily so most of my stuff is of light cotten. I would love to wear
the velvets and brocades of my time period but would need a medic within 5
minutes of dressing. I would melt away. So I do things with sheeting and
linen. Sometimes there is a purpose to all things. I believe in the game
part. Let's have fun too.
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> 1. Re: Good idea Let us share info (elizabeth at crouchet.com)
> 2. Uncourteous Peers? (Was Telling someone that what they are
> doing isnotperiod) (Melinda)
> 3. Re: Telling someone that what they are doing isnotperiod
> (Daralynn Brittain)
> 4. Re: Gothic War lost and found (Chris Baran)
> 5. Re: Things we do that are not period (JOHN KELLER)
> 6. Re: Things we do that are not period (elizabeth at crouchet.com)
> 7. More on "period" (Sir Lyonel Oliver Grace)
> 8. Re: Things we do that are not period (willowdewisp at juno.com)
> 9. Re: Good idea Let us share info (Virginia Gatling)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:17:01 -0500
> From: elizabeth at crouchet.com
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Good idea Let us share info
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
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> On 15 Sep 2006 at 12:49, Troop0341 at aol.com wrote:
>
> Are we
>> here to enjoy
>> ourselves with the events and companionship, or are we here
>> "working" at
>> being "living historians"? Are we trying to bring back the best of
>> the past, or
>> re-create ALL of it? The name of our "family" is the Society for
>> CREATIVE
>> Anachronism... isn't it? Personally, I would love to have the
>> proper garb,
>> armor etc for my persona, but until my funds are able to match my
>> desires, I
>> must do with what I can with what I have... When what we do for
>> fun becomes
>> work, why bother???
>> With Respect to All,
>> Iain MacKay
>
> I used to be here just for fun but I have come to love the pursuit of
> living historian.
>
> I do know that I have fun at events.
>
> I do know that at SCA events, if I make something new and have not got it
> right yet, it is still acceptable and even welcomed.
>
> Everything I do is a work in progress. I do not get the impression from
> other living history groups that "not right yet" is ever
> acceptable in clothing so I prefer to play test it all among my friends.
> If you ever want to know what is "wrong" with my garb and
> what is right, just ask. If I have figured it out I will gladly share my
> experiences.
>
> What YOU want to do is just as valid, if you are making a sincere attempt
> to fit in to a time and place. How far you go and how
> fast is also up to you. I love watching those journeys.
>
> For some it is clothing for others it is culture or attitude or
> scholarship. For example, stick in your basic T-tunic but perform a
> researched and original Italian Sonnet sometime, disparit as it may be,
> and I will still be inspired by you and your journey, too.
>
> Claire
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:58:42 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
> From: "Melinda" <melindaaerin at cox.net>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Uncourteous Peers? (Was Telling someone that what
> they are doing isnotperiod)
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <450AE9D2.000001.02500 at MELINDA>
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> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Harry Bilings
> Date: 9/14/2006 5:45:36 PM
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Telling someone that what they are doing
> isnotperiod
>
> There is a member of the peerage that would hunt my lady up and "tell" her
> Crochet is not period and she should not do it at events. Now she dosen't
> She dose not go to events at all, and I go to far fewer.
> Have fun play nice.
>
> Plachoya
> Humble archer
> Ravens Fort Ansteorra
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Elizabeth Ellis
> Date: 9/15/2006 11:07:33 AM
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Telling someone that what they are doing
> isnotperiod
>
> Well how rude was that! I've got to tell you though, just because
> somebody
> gets a peerage does not mean they are automatically cured of being a
> social
> misfit. When stuff like this happens, just chalk it up to the infiltrating
> power of the goofball factor. I do hope your lady will take this into
> account and eventually come back.
>
> Mistress Corrinne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> This brings to mind an issue I have been mulling over myself.
> Over the years I have been in the SCA I have had great experiences with
> peers. I had some help me get over the orignally instilled peer fear I
> had.
> I became friends with peers but still showed them the respect for their
> station.
> This past summer I had an unpleasant ordeal with a member of the peerage I
> did not know well at all. To say the least it left a very sour taste in my
> mouth and in a way it broke a piece of my heart. From what I had learned
> of
> and from peers in the past being courteous to others was something that is
> a
> cornerstone of earning said peerage.
> I do not mean to offend anyone with this missive. I myself strive to be as
> courteous as I can be. I know we all have bad days and make mistakes.
> So my question is, how do you deal with a rude peer? Do you simply ignore
> the rudeness? Ignore the peer?Do I simply chalk this incident up to a bad
> day or mistake?
>
> In service,
> Lady Aerin
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:01:22 -0500
> From: "Daralynn Brittain" <elspeth013 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Telling someone that what they are doing
> isnotperiod
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <BAY105-F369DE30B0E774EE8998C48E2E0 at phx.gbl>
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>
> That is a generous offer, I now know how to do this....but it took awhile
> before I was comfortable enought the cut the fabric. I was suggesting
> this
> as a way to get the hands on experience to the masses.
>
> Thank you again for your generosity, and I just may take you up on the
> offer
> for other fun information.
>
> Elspeth
>
>
>>From: "Virginia Gatling" <ginlee at cnbcom.net>
>>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
>><ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Telling someone that what they are doing
>>isnotperiod
>>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:30:48 -0500
>>
>>Elspeth,
>>
>>Re: "that actually shows someone how to cut out and
>> sew a basic tunic, as well as other "hands on" classes would be great."
>>
>> The next time you see me introduce yourself and tell me " tunic"( that
>>helps to remind; me if not I'll forget" and I'll give you some instant
>>information, if not a basic tunic right there. If you live near Waxahachie
>>give me a call and I be more than happy to give you all the help I can.
>>Basic tunics are great and I have very easy simple ways of cutting and
>>making them, many people know & used my method until they created one that
>>worked for them. The dressing up of basic tunics is another area I love to
>>teach.
>>
>>Regina
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:02:04 -0500
> From: "Chris Baran" <chris_baran at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Gothic War lost and found
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <BAY109-F7707B7701BE2A8A9BB35C8D2E0 at phx.gbl>
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> I appreciate it. It is a blue hard notebook, 3 ring spiral, with three
> sections of papers: Authorization papers, temp authorization papers, and
> the heavy list rules.
>
> Thank you again,
>
> Romanius
>
>
>>From: "Chris England" <drachenhohle at cox.net>
>>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
>><ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>>To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Gothic War lost and found
>>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:01:02 -0500
>>
>>None of the staff reported finding it. I'll check with everyone and have
>>them double check their stuff. Due to unforeseen difficulties (mainly the
>>lost and found going home with 3 people instead of the one person I asked
>>to
>>take it) it's been a little hectic getting the list together. Will
>>contact
>>you as soon as I know anything.
>>
>>Gerrold Von Drachenhohle
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Chris Baran" <chris_baran at hotmail.com>
>>To: <ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG>
>>Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 2:21 PM
>>Subject: [Ansteorra] Gothic War lost and found
>>
>>
>> > Could the person in charge of the Gothic Lost and Found please contact
>>me?
>> > I misplaced my authorization folder at the event.
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> >
>> > Sir Romanius
>> >
>> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:24:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: JOHN KELLER <wolfgangvonsachsenhausen at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Things we do that are not period
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <20060915192456.71250.qmail at web51106.mail.yahoo.com>
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> Here is a "Period no-no" we are all guilty of committing, simply because
> of how entrenched it has become in our Mundane culture - saying "OK."
>
> OK (okay) is actually an American slang that came about in the middle of
> the 19th Century and quickly came into use throughout the world. We say
> it automatically probably dozens of times a day.
>
> I was first "scolded" on saying OK at Scarborough Faire, where our cast
> "handlers" cringed every time we uttered it. So now I find myself trying
> to say "Right!," "alright" or "ja!" in its place. Pick the word from
> your culture and period that means "yes" or "alright." Try it-it is NOT an
> easy habit to break.
>
> In Service
> Herr Wolfgang von Sachsenhausen
>
>
> elizabeth at crouchet.com wrote:
> Camping!
>
> For much of the period we study and in many of the cultures being outdoors
> at night was a scary and dangerous thing.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:42:33 -0500
> From: elizabeth at crouchet.com
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Things we do that are not period
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <450ABBD9.31919.E63421 at elizabeth.crouchet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> OOH, a new challenge!
> OK, I'll try it.
>
> Hmmm, what SHOULD I say?
>
> Claire
>
>
> On 15 Sep 2006 at 12:24, JOHN KELLER wrote:
>
>> Pick the word from your culture and period that means "yes" or
>> "alright." Try it-it is NOT an easy habit to break.
>>
>> In Service
>> Herr Wolfgang von Sachsenhausen
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:43:18 +0000
> From: "Sir Lyonel Oliver Grace" <sirlyonel at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] More on "period"
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <BAY102-F213909395B9C85F0517BB5BA2E0 at phx.gbl>
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>
> Salut cozyns,
>
> His Excellency's rant reminds me of another aspect of re-enactment that
> I've
> not seen mentioned. We need to ask ourselves the question, "Is this a good
> idea?"
>
> Laszlo made the point of Don Maelgwyn's approach to convincing others to
> try
> period methods. I've seen others (Earl Brion, Sir Alexis, and Sir Gaston,
> to
> name a few) who also teach by example. When these gentles demonstrate a
> period method for doing something, they are actually showing several
> things
> at once:
>
> 1) What an appropriate re-enactment looks like (frequently shaming the
> faux-period re-creations around them)
>
> 2) That they can be done without breaking either the bank or one's back
>
> 3) That many of rediscovered Medieval and Renaissance techniques are just
> as
> effective (occasionally more so) than our modern attempts to mimic them.
>
> Sir Alexis's tempered fine gauge steel armor and Don Maelgwyn's coeur
> bouille armor are great examples.
>
> On the other hand, I've hand-sewn garb, and I'm not planning to go back to
> that. Of course, I was using stainless steel needles and cutting the cloth
> with hinged scissors, so maybe that was the source of my trouble (as if).
>
> Ultimately, I think being authentic in one's re-creation efforts has to
> end
> at a point of diminishing returns. It's rather like cooking from scratch.
> I
> make pancakes, crepe, sauces, vinaigrettes, marinades, and soufflees from
> scratch, but what constitutes "scratch" for me might be taking shortcuts
> to
> some. I make my own Hollandaise, for example, because it's quick and mine
> is
> much better than the prepared crap in the stores. On the other hand, I've
> never mixed my own mustard. Grey Poupon works quite well in my sauces, so
> why put in the extra time to work out the proportions and whip out the
> lumps
> when what I want is right there on the shelf?
>
> Similarly, I have yet to meet the armorer who makes all his own sheet
> metal
> from the pigs.
>
> lo vostre per vos servir
> Meser Lyonel
> _________________________________
> Micel yfel deth se unwritere.
> --AElfric of York
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Michael Gunter" <countgunthar at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
>><ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>>To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Good idea Let us share info
>>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:18:39 -0500
>>
>> >The one thing I still haven't been able to solve was my cooking over an
>> >open
>> >fire not being period, was it my method or my equipment tsk tsk maybe
>>I'll
>> >never know.
>> >Regina
>>
>>Well, the spit you use isn't what is seen in the period woodcuts of camp
>>life. They were rather like sawhorses with various tools for leveling and
>>basting of foods and hooks on the legs for lesser spitting.
>>
>>You cook with cast iron which wasn't invented yet. A proper camp kitchen
>>used ceramic, tin and forged metal cookware.
>>
>>You aren't using the proper camp tools such as flesh hooks, skimmers,
>>tasting
>>spoons, etc...
>>You don't pound your spices and rubs in a proper mortar and pestle.
>>
>>The dishes you prepare aren't documented as being period.
>>
>>See? You horrible modern person you! I'll bet you even sometimes rely on
>>that devil's tool.....the....(shudder!)....Co-Co--COLEMAN STOVE!
>>
>>Basically, if someone really wants to be anal they can rip apart any
>>attempt
>>at period. You perform a wonderful service for anyone in camp and I'd
>>rather
>>have your wonderful cookware and spits in my camp roasting meats and
>>creating dinner than a coleman stove. One of the reasons we call this ugh,
>>The Dream (tm, pat pend) is that we don't adhere to strict recreation. We
>>ignore eyeglasses and obvious modern items like nylon tents. But we can
>>also take baby steps along the way and inspire others to become a little
>>more
>>period.
>>
>>Take cooking, since we are on the subject. It wasn't too long ago when a
>>"period feast' meant no tomatoes or potatoes. Now documented food is
>>on tourney feasts as often as not. People have discovered that period
>>cuisine
>>actually tasted good. No, we don't cook in period kitchens but that
>>doesn't
>>mean we can't have someone taste a period dish and have them get excited
>>about it.
>>
>>The way you correct non-period behavior is to get the person excited about
>>the "right way" of doing it.
>>
>>Gunthar
>>
>>
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>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:41:41 GMT
> From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Things we do that are not period
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <20060915.124155.15633.280226 at webmail27.lax.untd.com>
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> OK ....I mean Ja! I will try and stop saying the word.
> Good comment!
> thank you
> willow
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:49:44 -0500
> From: "Virginia Gatling" <ginlee at cnbcom.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Good idea Let us share info
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <00d101c6d900$196318b0$b309e204 at virginia0gcdg1>
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> reply-type=original
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Gunter" <countgunthar at hotmail.com>
> To: <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Good idea Let us share info
>
>
>> >The one thing I still haven't been able to solve was my cooking over an
>>>open
>>>fire not being period, was it my method or my equipment tsk tsk maybe
>>>I'll
>>>never know.
>>>Regina
>
> Oh no Not Period! ...boo Hoo I'll take my toys and go home. ;-) Just
> kidding! Gunthur I have and still research this topic Maybe we can compare
> notes one day. You know I have many period cookbook reproductions etc. I
> just like everyone elses food. I stick to my breads and meats and soups.
>
>> Well, the spit you use isn't what is seen in the period woodcuts of camp
>> life. They were rather like sawhorses with various tools for leveling and
>> basting of foods and hooks on the legs for lesser spitting.
>
> My original spits were like the ones in the Bayeux Tapestry and info
> found about life pre 1000. They did not function well in the SCA so I
> adapted for usefulness and ambience.
> I do know of the wood cuts but most are after my time period. I may
> make
> one one day.
>
>> You cook with cast iron which wasn't invented yet. A proper camp kitchen
>> used ceramic, tin and forged metal cookware.
>
> I don't use cast iron pots. I have copper & tin items but do not use
> them anymore. I have one forged pot but it is used as a flower pot now
> because it is not safe to use these days. I used and still use alumnimum &
> stainless steel now. It lasts longer and is safer. Lasagna is better in
> stainless steel when cooked over an open fire. Oh! you forgot about the
> proper oven. I have many cast iron pots but they decorate my yard & shed.
>
>> You aren't using the proper camp tools such as flesh hooks, skimmers,
>> tasting
>> spoons, etc...
>
> My utensils are all forged. The next time you come to my camp or to the
> house take a look at them. I only use a few spoons and forks these days
> because many items get lost or given away. I do use flesh hooks. I have
> several tasting spoons. I did have a skimmer but lost it. I also had a
> rack
> with pot that collected drippings but it was borrowed and has yet to
> return
> home. One day when we get the new forge in I'll make some more items. Mybe
> I'll make a miniture.
>
>> You don't pound your spices and rubs in a proper mortar and pestle.
>
> When I use spices I do use a Mortar & Pestle. I have many of these for
> many
> different uses. My meats never have any rubs or spices they don't need
> them.
> When I cook meats for others I cook to their specifications and use the
> spices they want.
>
>> The dishes you prepare aren't documented as being period.
>
> What dishes? All I cook is meat found along the road to an event ;-),
> bread
> and whatever vegge I can find on site :-) Anyway I can't find any recipes
> for my period ha ha.
>>
>> See? You horrible modern person you! I'll bet you even sometimes rely on
>> that devil's tool.....the....(shudder!)....Co-Co--COLEMAN STOVE!
>
> Now that has become my tool of choice and I do use a small cast iron
> skillet when I cook on it. I really like my pasta dishes and the steaks
> are
> great. I also make scones in my camp oven.
>
>> Basically, if someone really wants to be anal they can rip apart any
>> attempt
>> at period. You perform a wonderful service for anyone in camp and I'd
>> rather
>> have your wonderful cookware and spits in my camp roasting meats and
>> creating dinner than a coleman stove. One of the reasons we call this
>> ugh,
>> The Dream (tm, pat pend) is that we don't adhere to strict recreation. We
>> ignore eyeglasses and obvious modern items like nylon tents. But we can
>> also take baby steps along the way and inspire others to become a little
>> more
>> period.
> I like to set up for the ambience and make things work well for what I am
> doing. I am sure people in period did the same thing. I hate putting my
> period tent up for only a day so I like my little modern tents but they
> have
> period flare. All anyone has to do is make an attempt. I don't like labels
> on water bottles so I take them off most of the time.
>> Take cooking, since we are on the subject. It wasn't too long ago when a
>> "period feast' meant no tomatoes or potatoes. Now documented food is
>> on tourney feasts as often as not. People have discovered that period
>> cuisine
>> actually tasted good. No, we don't cook in period kitchens but that
>> doesn't
>> mean we can't have someone taste a period dish and have them get excited
>> about it.
> Try leek soup with meat & bread
>> The way you correct non-period behavior is to get the person excited
>> about
>> the "right way" of doing it.
> Help me! Help me!
>> Gunthar
> Regina
>>
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