[Ansteorra] Undergarments and stuff

[Sir Lyonel Oliver Grace]

Salut cozyns,

Although it is true that no small clothes appear to have survived the 
ravages of time, quite a few studies in recent years have concentrated 
instead on drawing conclusions based upon such references as tax and 
mercantile records and images and hints of images in paintings, sculpture, 
and effigies. The Medieval Tailor's Assistant has some discussion of this. 
I've seen other brief mentions elsewhere (possibly one of the Renaissance 
portraiture books my wife has scattered about the house of late). I'll try 
to find some of the references.

lo vostre per vos servir
En Lyonel
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Micel yfel deth se unwritere.
		--AElfric of York




>From: "Marc Carlson" <marccarlson20 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
><ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>Subject: [Ansteorra] Undergarments and stuff
>Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:40:46 -0500
>
>On 16 Sep 2006 at 11:55, Donna Nesbit/Lady Penelope Miriam Darling wrote:
>
> >>Greetings,
> >>   One thing many people must understand is that some of what is
> >>period just would not work today.  Recently, I saw a book on the
> >>history of undergarments.  In times it was quite acceptable to
> >>reveal parts of the body that we would get in trouble for revealing
> >>today.  Also, some silhouettes that were considered beautiful in the
> >>past are not appealing today.  We must remember that we are looking
> >>at past dressing through modern day eyes.
> >From: elizabeth at crouchet.com
> >And about those undergarments!
> >Many used drawstrings at the waist. Ever been stuck in small port-o-let, 
>at
> >night, with no lady in waiting and the drawstring tied in a knot BEFORE 
>you
> >got them off?
> >Elastic works the same way, excpet: no knots! It hides very well,
> >especially in
> >undergarments! It substitues for a full guarderobe with attendants. The
> >creative part of recreation is how to get the same thing, independantly,
> >practically and in budget. If you just have to have ties on your
> >undergarment, you can also use a piece of
> >elastic for the back half with strings on the ends that tie where they
> >should. A compromise between authentic look and feel and funciton. Claire
>
>You clearly know more about how medieval undergarments worked than the
>archaeology indicates. The last time I checked there were no extant pieces
>telling us whether they used drawstrings, belts, elastic or velcro.
>
>Be that as it may, are you seriously trying to tell us that because it 
>might
>be hard, people shouldn't even bother to try?  Or that faking it will
>automatically be better than what was actually done?  Because I'm thinking
>that unless you've actually figured out for certain how they did it then,
>and really done a lot of work with it, you really don't know.
>
>I'm not saying don't do the faking it thing, but why are you telling people
>to do something that might be more accurate if they want to try it?
>
>Marc/Diarmaid
>
>
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