[Ansteorra] SCA, the ADA, and all of us
charinthalis at sbcglobal.net
Sun Mar 25 10:19:44 PDT 2007
The A.D.A. is exactly what I think it is, it is a law that is
supposed to gurantee EQUAL ACCESS and EQUAL ENJOYMENT. Having said that
I have been asked to contact the Department of Tourism and talk to my
friend here in Oklahoma (by the way which is where Admiral Haddock lives
and he said Northern Region not north Texas). This is something simple
you could do...... but I have agreed to do it so I can get you a list of
sites. Yes some sites have restrictions and some are more costly. Let me
point something out to you I tried to do here in the north to deaf ears.
They scream and holler a site has to allow Horsie events. The event they
were defending I counted the horses.. 4. Only 4 horses. And supposedly
that was a BIG turn out. Most Horse runners show up alone or as a
couple. Then I counted the people in wheelchairs (most having to have to
get help to get around the site sucks), there were 8 people in
wheelchairs. People who use wheelchairs usually travel with a group of
people so as to make sure they can get around (which shouldn't have to
happen but it does). Hmm so to make 4 people happy they thumbed their
nose at around 25 people. I know my group wont go to an event without
me... that knocks out about (give or take because of work) 10 people at
any given time mayhaps more.
I didn't say it was not difficult to find sites... but it does take
looking, which is what we are complaining about. Even when sites are
offered they are not looked into. How do I know you may ask. I call and
talk to the sites before I offer them up and when I call back and ask if
anyone from the SCA had called and get a NO......
Chass Brown A.K.A.
Charinthalis Del Sans of the portable chariot.
Honorable Recruiter of the House of the Red Shark.
Muddeler of Mead
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[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Chiara
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 9:06 AM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] SCA, the ADA, and all of us
Greetings Ld Adm Robert Haddock
You say that you know there are sites in North Texas that are ADA
Have you ever actually driven out, walked the site, and met with the
of the sites?
Have you priced out all these sites?
Have you actually combed through the site to confirm they are ADA
We just spent the last 6 months updating our site search spreadsheet for
Steppes Warlord. Our Business and populace meetings have been very
passionate of late when discussing the issue of moving much less any
We found promising camping sites. For us running Steppes Warlord that
that out of 20 sites the promising sites allowed Equestrian, Archery,
fighting, heavy figthing, and camping for a minimum of 500. Those are
basics you look for first.
But the reality of it is, this is what we found for a majority of them
before we even look at minimum ADA compliance:
1) They are all rented a year or more in advance.
2) They start at 3000.00 for a day (most groups budget a _maximum_ of
1500.00 for the whole weekend just for a site with a hall, not including
per head charge, porta pots, security guards, etc.)
3) They do not allow Equestrian.
4) If they allow Equestrian they do not allow Archery, and vice versa.
5) They have a 10pm curfew and lock their gate.
6) They ban alcohol. Unless you want to hire an off duty police officer,
per 50 or so participants, depending on the site owner you may be able
have 1 for every 100 participants.
7) They do not allow pets.
8) Some do not allow tenting, you must stay in their cabins so they site
comply with their federal grant funding.
9) No outside food can be brought in, you must pay for their catering
I could go on, and have but frankly I loath long emails and know that
of us do not read past the first paragraph of any email.
We have looked for ADA compliant sites to the degree of what you are
(there are different levels). By we I mean Event Stewards, Seneschals,
Barons, and do not forget our Baroness'. To book most (not all but about
of them) ADA compliant sites means that we have them for one day, no
camping, no alcohol, no fighting, no equestrian, no archery, no feast,
believe it or not, no animals of any kind no matter what their purpose
ADA is not what you think it is.
Please take care who you chastise and why. Do personal research, be the
leader you expect to see out of the rest of us, email event stewards,
all the others you list before you set off on a quest to fight a
that has already been conquored and is actually a hand held fan that is
easy to work with.
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