[Ansteorra] New Trend flyer apology

Richard Threlkeld rjt at softwareinnovation.com
Sat Mar 24 20:11:18 PDT 2007

I'm interested in such sites in the central region. We have had a difficult
time finding sites that meet our criteria without even talking about ADA
issues. If you have a list I'd be willing to check them out.


-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Chass
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 23:04 PM
To: 'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] New Trend flyer apology

     WRONG. The SCA does have to abide by the ADA as announced by the BOD.
The only Private Clubs exempt from the ADA are those established before 1965
and are allowed to Discriminate by Race, Sex or disability, That is not the
SCA. I showed this to the BOD 2 1/2 years ago when they threatened to banish
me (which is illegal falls under Retalitory law and could get the SCA shut
down as well as any local
branches/baronies/kingdoms) , they showed it to their attny's who said "HE
IS RIGHT" then they apologized to me publicly and announced on all the lists
the SCA is not immune to the A.D.A.. There are accessible sites out there.
Like Gulf Wars.. he makes money hand over fist for us using that site. They
could fix the site to become A.D.A. compliant. He can not claim private
property because by Federal law if he rents it to a group that has public
access (we have public access anyone can join and does not require
membership, anyone can go to Gulf wars if they pay at the gate) then he MUST
BE A.D.A. Compliant. There should be no room for a Event Site to be
advertised as "NOT HANDICAPPED FRIENDLY" nor state "Service animals must
have prior Authorization" Or  "Certification for Service Animals required".
I have very well studied the A.D.A. Law and all Case law for it. This group
is not immune and the BOD announced it. Just because "The Gulf Wars Crew"
decided they are immune does not make it so. The BOD is asking for people to
REPORT groups ignoring the A.D.A. and yes Gulf Wars site has been brought
up. This is why they are coming up with a list of guidelines for sites. 

     Actually here in the Northern Region I have given a list of Handicapped
accessible sites to almost all the groups. These are approved and inspected
A.D.A. Compliant sites. Most are cheaper, better condition and allow more
than the sites still used today. Guess what, not a single site I have listed
has ever been inspected for use, followed up for use or used. Its not that
its lack of sites its lack of drive and want to... it's the "Well we have
used this site for forever and no one has said anything" mentality.

Chass Brown A.K.A. 

Charinthalis Del Sans of the portable chariot. 

Honorable Recruiter of the House of the Red Shark.

Muddeler of Mead

-----Original Message-----
From: ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:50 PM
To: 'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] New Trend flyer apology

To some extent what we do it not something that everyone will be able to do.
Camping for a week even in an area like Gulf Wars with limited electricity
and water is not possible for some of us. And as our events have gotten
bigger and have offered more and more activities, we have limited ourselves
to a very few sites in each area that can handle our group.

As to ADA, I am not a lawyer, but when the issue came up at Gulf War a
couple of years ago, it was determined that ADA did not apply to us as we
don't offer our events to the general public and we are a private club.
as you don't have to make your home meet ADA requirements, a private club
does not need to do so. Larry (the owner of the Gulf War site) does not have
to meet ADA because he also does not offer services to the general public
(at least at the campground). He only contracts with groups for their
members to use the grounds.

The staff of our events try very hard to accommodate everyone. But there
will always be some who are just not capable of camping with us at some
sites. It is a fact of life. But we have to choose sites that are attractive
to the most people and will be able to support the numbers of people and the
range of activities those people want to do. The ADA law requires those who
are covered by it to make a reasonable effort to accommodate people with
disabilities. It does not require them to make all activities available to
all people. That is not possible. 

All that said, I want as many of my friends to enjoy all the events as can
find a way to enjoy them. And many, many have found it possible to enjoy
Gulf War with medical issues. I will do what I can to help them.

Caelin on Andrede

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