[Ansteorra] SCA, the ADA, and all of us
pug at pug.net
Sun Mar 25 06:41:24 PDT 2007
I'm gonna try to keep my dander under control again this time.
Here is a post I made on this two years ago about this topic, which some try
to get others to provide them service under a law that many laymen don't
understand. This is followed by the corporate policy from the governing
documents on accessibility which arose from what I think were unreasonable
requests for GulfWar 2 years ago.
This policy explicitly sites "while preserving the fundamental nature of the
SCA event". If the SCA were to deny you a generator while allowing others,
that would be against the ADA, but keeping an isolated environment from the
outside world to immerse people in the "mood" is completely reasonable. This
is just like allowing people the use of scooters at GulfWar without allowing
them their own personal golf cart as being reasonable.
As well, something to keep in mind when looking at sites is another item
from the FAQ:
The ADA is all about reasonable access and not *total* access. For example:
- not all parts of a restaurant have to be accessible
- not all bathrooms/stalls have to be accessible
- not all floors of a building have to be accessible
As well, the section that covers what we are talking about falls under the
ADA FAQ section at:
What are public accommodations?
A. A public accommodation is a private entity that owns, operates,
leases, or leases to, a place of public accommodation. Places of public
accommodation include a wide range of entities, such as restaurants,
hotels, theaters, doctors' offices, pharmacies, retail stores, museums,
libraries, parks, private schools, and day care centers. Private clubs
and religious organizations are exempt from the ADA's title III
requirements for public accommodations.
Please note that many of the private areas we rent, including religious
organizations, are explicitly exempt. There are restrictions on *new*
constructions to try to ensure they are compliant but not retrofit old sites
unless required by law. Some businesses and churches will try to make
reasonable accommodations under the ADA in order to be more diverse even
when they are not required to.
As for events such as Gulf War and Pennsic, there are services provided by
the staff to accommodate people who need assistance such as mobility
services. The ADA is *not* about making sure that a person can do everything
themself, but that there are measures in place *if* required by the ADA. It
is also *not* about giving them the easiest choice but a reasonable choice.
XIII. POLICY ON ACCESSIBILITY TO SOCIETY FUNCTIONS
The SCA, Inc. will not discriminate against any member or participant on the
basis of race, sex, religion,
national origin, age or disability. The SCA, Inc. will comply with all laws
of the nation in which the meeting or
event is held. For any meeting or event held in the United States, the SCA,
Inc. will comply with the
Americans with Disabilities Act. The SCA, Inc. will provide reasonable
accommodations to qualified
individuals with disabilities to enable all participants to fully enjoy the
events whenever it is possible to do so.
The SCA, Inc. will at all times attempt to provide reasonable
accommodations, while preserving the
fundamental nature of the SCA event.
From: ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Chass
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 3:09 AM
To: 'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] SCA, the ADA, and all of us
My dear lady (and if you people know me I am almost as fond of
Willow as I am Maleah). Yes but the key words to remember are Equal
access and equal enjoyment. A completely primitive site is acceptable if
people don't complain I run a generator to charge my chair, or the site
is in such bad shape my powerchair can not get around or the roads in
are so tore up my Van can not get in (think Camp Cimmeron and you will
realize why I said this). If there is a feast hall or any buildings that
everyone else has access to, by law we are supposed to be able to access
them, if there are latrines then we must be able to access them as well
(If you get porta poties get the large handicapped ones the small ones
will not work). Now having said this... if someone pushed because a
primitive site was used that didn't have non-skid pathways at a min of
36 inches wide etc.... (yes there are jerks everywhere), they could
raise a fuss. I would be just as happy to attend an event with only
camping, no feast hall or amenities (except my generator, I have to face
charging this chair every day, and besides those with need of
nebulizer/c-pat machines could be next to me) as long as I could get
around in my chair.
Chass Brown A.K.A.
Charinthalis Del Sans of the portable chariot.
Honorable Recruiter of the House of the Red Shark.
Muddeler of Mead
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