[Ansteorra] SCA, the ADA, and all of us

Judie Willey littledragon0861 at gmail.com
Sun Mar 25 10:08:25 PDT 2007

By the Way..one more point...
I am all for having only the large "handicapped privies"...I have all to
often needed the use of one of these( I still have to use grab bars to avoid
falling in the toilet) and been unable to because the only  handicapped
privy was being used  as a changing stall...or by a lady wearing hoops under
her gown. I fully understand that it is difficult to use the regular privy
with hoops btw...but it does make it more difficult for those of us who need
the handicapped privies. I have also been in situations where all the
privies were unoccupied, and a person who could have used the regular
privies, walked into the handicapped one instead. So for the convienence of
all, wh not spend the extra $10.00 each and only get the ones that are
handiacapped accessable.

OH and someone really needs to tell the company which makes them, that they
need to be even a bit larger than they already are...try closing the door
even to one of the supposedly handicapped privies when you have a hip to toe
cast on your leg...ya cant do it ( I spent one year at Darkwell  War with my
foot sticking out the door any time I had to use the privy)

and maybe we should consider rigging some sort of curtained changing area at
events so the privies don't need to be used for this purpose?


On 3/25/07, Judie Willey <littledragon0861 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings to the list,
> I have been folowing this thread, and while I can see both sides of the
> coin...we need to stop the bickering and see what we can do on the positive
> side of this issue.
> I have been playing for a long time, and I agree that most of us aren't
> getting any younger ( ok how old do we have to be to start counting
> backwards here? ) and I also agree that we need to look for sites to
> include, rather than exclude  those with disabilities. I may not have some
> of the more serious health problems that some of our members  have, but
> having had a total knee replacement, I can appreciate the difficulties in
> getting around.
> Also having lived in the desert, I can appreciate the need for showers,
> especially in hotter weather, to assist in preventing heat exhaustion, not
> just for the fighters, but for others who may not realize they are getting
> overheated until too late. Not to mention that they are just plain nice to
> have :)
> And face it, flushies are just plain nice to have, especially late at
> night on a saturday after the drinkers have been in the privies...
> At the same time, I can also appreciate the ambiance of not having these
> modern convienences..it does help us to "play the game " better without the
> modern reminders.
> But personally, I would far rather have some of those "modern reminders"
> for that type of reason, than to see someone in beautiful garb, walking
> around chatting on a cell phone, or to overhear a conversation about video
> games, computers and the latest doo dad on someones car. Face it...we have
> gone way past people even attempting to stay in persona  and when you do see
> someone stay in persona it is very rare.
> I have seen the complaints about people not using period tents, or period
> covers on coolers...or jjeans tennis shoes and t tunics. Have we forgotten
> the origins of the SCA? Many people can't afford to go out and spend 4 or 5
> thousand dollars on a period pavillion, or garb right away...and many might
> not want to spend a lot on garb for something they may decide isn't for
> them.
> We pressure our newcomers about what they have or don't have, or what they
> are wearing, instead of using the chivalry we are supposed to be espousing,
> and so we frighten them off. We post threads such as this to the list, which
> cause hurt feelings and a feeling of inadequecy to those who are unable to
> use more primitive sites, rather than looking for solutions which every one
> ( or at least most of us) can be happy with.
> OK time to get off my soapbox now...this is just my 2 shekels worth here
> Yours in Service
> Rebbe Hadassah bas Yossi
> MoC
> Steppes
>  On 3/25/07, Monica Riney <monicariney at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > There has been many good points made with this thread.  Thank you Master
> > Pug
> > for giving us the nitty gritty.  When it comes to ADA there are many of
> > us
> > that feel very strongly about it.  I am a mother of a young lady that is
> > confined to a wheelchair.  This is a topic very near and dear to my
> > heart.
> > We try our best to scope out a site to see what type of aid we have to
> > give
> > her.  There are certain sites that she just can't go to.  This is the
> > same
> > no matter where we go, ie: shopping malls, fishing docks, resturants,
> > parks,
> > etc.
> >
> > The ADA started at a point in time.  There are exceptions and
> > exemptions.
> > That is just how it is.  In a perfect world everything would have ADA
> > compliance.  All new facilities must be in compliance with the
> > Act.  Even at
> > that, they are limited.  Those of us who live with the needs of a
> > disabled
> > family member or friend are quite aware of this.  I, personally, do not
> > feel
> > that I must make everyone comply with the AD Act.
> >
> > As stated, it is nice for people to look out for our disabled
> > members.  I
> > know that it is one of the things that the Barony of Elfsea looks
> > at.  We
> > have several members of our populace that are in wheelchairs.  But at
> > the
> > same time, we really like the ambiance that a primitive site can
> > give.  It
> > is all give and take and we all pitch in to help those of us that need
> > help.
> >
> > Just my .02 cents,
> >
> > Rosalia
> >
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