[Ansteorra] Gulf Wars Profits was Re: New Trend flyer apology

Martha Elliff polera001 at hotmail.com
Mon Mar 26 13:05:34 PDT 2007

First of all, keep in mind that any time you request more service from a 
business, you WILL end up incurring more cost to yourself for using that 
service.  That's basic economics.  You don't get that extra value for free.  
If you price most sites for a week, you will likely find that the cost is 
higher than we are paying for the GW site...and they probably wont have the 
amenities you are wanting either.  Camp grounds generally don't.  That's why 
it's called.....camping.  The great outdoors and all of that.

Second, it's not like the GW site has been just sitting on massive profits.  
There have been improvements.  Just this year they worked extremely hard in 
order to provide stalls for a higher than normal turnout of horses.  They do 
ask the SCA to provide reservations so that they have an idea of how many to 
provide for.  A number of those reservations were received later than they 
should have been....and yet we were provided for.  I don't think the picture 
of insensitive miser really fits here.

Before you start thinking that I'm the insensitive one, here's a little 
story.  I have a very dear friend who is from time to time limited to a 
scooter.  She was confined to the scooter for most of the war last year and 
it rained a good deal.  She got stuck once, too, but a kind soul helped her 
out because that's what the SCA is really about.  It's not about lawsuits, 
or demanding rights.  It's about helping to make things as fun as possible 
for each other...within reason.  Of course, that's what the law says, too.  
Even businesses effected by laws regarding access by the handicapped only 
have to comply within reason.  The GW site provides the basic amenities for 
everyone.  That's classified as "within reason".  On the flip side, the site 
my group uses does not.  Will we eventually?  Maybe.  That depends on how 
much it will cost us to make those improvements.  In the meantime, we'll 
continue helping each other make it fun.

Lady Rosalinda de Salerno

>From: "Chass" <charinthalis at sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
><ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Gulf Wars Profits was Re: New Trend flyer apology
>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:54:02 -0600
>     Ok you want to do a little math here we go (by the way Gravel is
>considered a nonskid pathway). Let's use your estimate for gravel $2000
>per mile. At 3 miles is $6000, lets add another $1000 because every so
>far they have to have a 6 foot turn around spot, $7000, Divided up
>between 15 years = $466 per year and its able to used as a tax write off
>in most cases. Its not like they have not had time to use funds to make
>the changes. Places have used this kind of defense all along and SCOTUS
>slaps them down saying if you had spread it out over the years given to
>date it wouldn't have cost this much. Again there is tons of supporting
>case law on this. Now having said that... did you forget merchants in
>your quotes there for their profit? Or their on site store?  Why fight
>so hard against what is right and legal? Most people would drop it if
>sites like Gulf would start making changes.
>      Ok let me give you an example... Would you attend a SCA group
>function that was intentionally making it hard on a race/sex of people?
>I would hope not, for I wouldn't. So why chose a site you know will stop
>handicapped people or mobility impaired people from coming? Is is
>basically the same thing. It's not just the law it is the Moral thing to
>do is to find sites.
>Chass Brown A.K.A.
>Charinthalis Del Sans of the portable chariot.
>Honorable Recruiter of the House of the Red Shark.
>Muddeler of Mead
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of David J.
>Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:50 PM
>To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Gulf Wars Profits was Re: New Trend flyer
>Chass wrote:
> >I recant ok... He is making a reasonable (read good here) profit how is
> >that? Now that we are done splitting hairs on that one statement can we
> >get back to the meat of the original discussion? Like why has he not
> >bothered to update the site with non-skid pathways so people don't get
> >stuck?
> >
> >Chass Brown A.K.A.
> >
> >Charinthalis Del Sans of the portable chariot.
> >
> >Honorable Recruiter of the House of the Red Shark.
> >
> >Muddeler of Mead
> >
> >
>Let's do some math:
>$50*3000= $150,000
>SCA direct expenses, direct costs to King's Arrow, profit to sponsoring
>group, amortised costs to King's Arrow facility,  taxes, etc.
>Profit  margin of 5%  to King's Arrow ( my estimate is on the high side,
>probably closer to 2 % of gate, but we'll go with 5%)
>Non skid pathways,4' wide, properly mounded gravel, $2000 per mile
>Same in asphalt   $3500 per mile
>Same in simple concrete   $4000 per mile
>Same in nicely patterned simulated cobblestone/paving blocks  concrete
>$6000 per mile
>Miles of pathways needed go from major camping areas to list fields,
>barns, merchants row, etc., minimum of 3 miles, up to
>3 times that to run paths to all camping areas.
>Minimum $6000, up to $72,000.
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