[Ansteorra] Hard hitters (was Re: Armor inspections at GulfWars)

[Richard Morgan]

Well Sir Corwin there are several things to think about. First we adopted 
the lighter face thrust after allowing fiberglass spears, to compensate for 
the occasional overzealous thrust that led to the term  Pezzed being used 
way too frequently. Next rattan flexes and gives a little, fiberglass does 
not. Yes I know that's the cool thing about it. However it is the only 
approved weapon that I can't armor up for, against getting hurt from, short 
of plate. The ONLY safety control is the training and restraint of my 
opponent. Therefore I have no control over my safety short of wearing plate, 
or just not fighting against fiberglass with people I don't know and trust. 
This is unique among our weapons. Thirdly it is one of the reasons that I no 
longer go to wars. At 6'4" (my head sticks up above the crowd), 320 lb (one 
hell of a lot of weight to lift with a few cervical vertebrae),  a white 
belt (target) and only one good eye (ergo absolutely no depth perception, 
that means I cant see it coming) it just isn't fun anymore. My head gets hit 
so hard that my spine goes crack and I get lifted up into the air and 
knocked back about five feet landing on my head; and that's  just standing 
still, it's worse if I get a stop thrust while trying to chase someone down. 
With rattan I may still get knocked down but I don't have that sharp crack 
to the neck, it gives a more gradual lifting. I don't see stars and black 
out for a second either. I am truly concerned that someone is eventually 
going to receive a broken neck instead of just being knocked out. Finally 
rattan allows the user to thrust with more marshal skill and speed that is 
closer to reality with much less chance of inflicting real injury. Paralysis 
or death is just a little too tough for me.

Sir Richard ap Morgan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corey Van Zandt" <Sircorwin at hotmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Hard hitters (was Re: Armor inspections at 
GulfWars)


> Fiberglass spears are not the problem....improperly armored and improperly
> trained fighters are the problem.
>
> If you can't take the hits there are many other activities the SCA
> offers(not you Richard)....squabbling over hitting too hard is ridiculous 
> in
> a game where martial skill is the objective...the fastest wins.  Armor
> up...Defend yourself...take your hits and toughen up or move to amptguard.
>
> Sir Corwin von Xanten
>
>> Ever since I started fighting 27 or so years ago in Ansteorra the 
>> standard
>> that has been "called" is, damage done through armor standard if weapon
>> was
>> real. So the blow will have to be of sufficient force (determined by the
>> receiver) to either have killed  or disabled enough to resign. Therefore
>> the
>> blow would have to penetrate the face. A touch to the grill wont do you;
>> need to move the head just a little. If people want to stop all of the
>> fine
>> point squabbling, just outlaw fiberglass spears and you wont have to 
>> worry
>> about breaking someone's neck (and I am not speaking figuratively)
>> anymore.
>>
>> Sir Richard ap Morgan
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "SirRey" <sirrey at gmail.com>
>> To: <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 4:35 PM
>> Subject: [Ansteorra] Hard hitters (was Re: Armor inspections at GulfWars)
>>
>>
>>> We believe "directed touch" to mean any shot moving into the face.  It
>>> must have positive force but it doesn't have to be as hard as say a
>>> leg shot.
>>>
>>> We have open faced helms (the Chain Drape hasn't really caught on
>>> here).  Thrust are suppose to be touch to the face. If I touch your
>>> grill with a thrust then it's a kill.  If I have to push in far enough
>>> to reach your face which may be 4-6" farther back it's going to be
>>> more than a touch.
>>>
>>> Rey
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> That "directed touch" statement is read by some to mean any deliberate
>>> shot
>>> to the face that touches the grill. In accordance with the standards,
>>> however, a thrust to the face that just reaches far enough to tough the
>>> grill without being hard enough to impart any momentum to the 
>>> recipient's
>>> helm is a thrust that never would have reached the face if the grill had
>>> not
>>> been present. I don't know what your knight had in mind, Bors, but I
>>> teach
>>> my squires to take shots according to the armor standard.
>>>
>>> En Lyonel
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