[Ansteorra] Bad things

Susan McMahill sueorintx at hotmail.com
Tue May 15 04:08:57 PDT 2007

I believe that the reason that this hasn't been implemented yet is because the fine points such as these are still being worked out. For most kids, the buddy system should work well for restroom needs, but, as a substitute teacher in grades from K-12, I can tell you that the group break is used often. The reason being is partially because if one gets to go, pretty soon they all want to go. It's easier to head 'em off at the pass, as it were. I see this used especially with the younger kids, but when I sub for in school suspension in the older grades, they use it, too, or have predetermined break times.
The whole idea of the parents remaining in the vicinity or helping is to avoid these difficulties. If you are holding an activity and have at least two parent or adult volunteers that are unrelated, you should be able to leave the kids with them and take Susie to the restroom if her mother isn't there. The two deep unrelated insures that you never leave one unbackgrounded adult with the kids. The likelihood of something happening with two unrelated adults and a bunch of kids is extremely unlikely. It is more likely for susie and her buddy to run into trouble on the way too, or in the restroom.
Children's activities should be held within sight of the nearest restroom and be within 100 feet of it, ideally.

> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:18:45 -0700> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org> From: laetitia at doverkeep.com> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Bad things> > At 08:39 PM 5/14/2007, Mike Wyvill wrote:> > > >From: Laetitia <laetitia at doverkeep.com>> > >> > >At 08:20 PM 5/14/2007, Mike Wyvill wrote:> > > >Restrooms can be as a group. Herd the children there, herd them back.> > >> > >How would that work?> > >> > >Little Susie needs to go *right now*!!> > >> > >Do you interrupt the entire group at their activity and take all the> > >kids? Or make Susie wait until the group's break time?> > >> > >Conversely - how does the "two deep" rule work on escorting a minor> > >child to the bathroom alone?> >> >You NEVER escort a child by themselves. Sorry but this is a lesson learned> >the hard way by the BSA. Boy Scouts calls it the buddy system but you don't> >take a child anywhere alone. You start the your activities with that march.> >If not you find Susie's mom or dad and THEY take care of it. MOC activities> >were never meant to be a babysitting service.> > So, the question remains - Little Susie needs to go right now - does > this mean the whole group is dragged, Susie is forbidden to go or > that the "two deep" rule actually requires 4 people to be workable. A > child who needs to go to the bathroom without delay is in no way > synonymous with "baby sitting"> > Or do you send 9 year old Susie to the bathroom by herself?> > > > >Disruptive children? If you use the form required by the Kingdom, the> > > >parents will have stated where they would be. I am sure a passing adult> > > >would be happy to oblige in summoning them.> > >> > >Little Susie is throwing a screaming fit (possibly because she didn't> > >get to go to the bathroom *smile*)> > >Do we leave little Susie screaming in the middle of the room,> > >disrupting all the other children's activities until someone passing> > >by can be sent for Susie's parents> >> >Its either that or you have enough help to spare an adult. You want one to> >go and then have little Susie accuse you of doing something that either> >makes it impossible for you to play any more or that can get you arrested?> >Remember two deep protects not only the child but the adult.> > I do not *want* anything in particular one way or the other. I am > trying to ascertain how the system might be made to work and part of > that is potential problem scenarios> > Laetitia> > > > >Lord Engenulf de Vienville> >> >> >_______________________________________________> >Ansteorra mailing list> >Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org> >http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org> > > _______________________________________________> Ansteorra mailing list> Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org

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