[Ansteorra] Bad things
shonao at gmail.com
Thu May 17 04:45:07 PDT 2007
Perhaps I use courtesy as a wonrg word. Basically I was getting at the same
thing. Just because the activities are there, they are not meant to be used
as baby sitting so parents can go and do what they want. They are there for
the kids to participate, and grow in the SCA.
I also said no participation before my inbox got the message suggesting the
returning of kids.
I think that is a smashing good idea.
On 5/16/07, Carla/Ciana <cianaoh at yahoo.com> wrote:
> You are correct this thread is a circle but it still needs to be argued
> out until parents learn that they need to take charge of their
> children. That is the ONLY way the PA incident will not happen to their
> child because fingerprinting, background checks...NONE of that is going to
> keep your child safe!!! NONE OF IT!!!
> I was MOC for many years when my boys were younger, I know I've said this
> before. If my 10 year old wants to participate in the MOC activities I
> currently ask if they need any help if they don't then I go do something
> else while he is there. If this donating an hour becomes a requirement then
> I will donate an hour without arguement.
> Now to address the MOC as being a courtesy. That angers me because it
> shouldn't be looked at like that. I was under the impression upon joining
> the SCA that we are a Non-Profit Educational Organization. If this is true
> then how can anyone say MOC activities are a "courtesy"? Yes adults are at
> events to have fun BUT if the SCA is what they say they are then they are
> supposed to be educating our young.
> As it was put to me earlier today in a private email our society (SCA &
> mundane life) has become a "society of entitlement". I couldn't agree with
> her more. People think that just because a service is available they have
> the "entitlement" to use it without any compensation for it.
> Yes if you want to have an adult weekend by all means keep your children
> at home; we do it on occasion. However, if you are at an event and you have
> children, yet again I'm going to say it, be a parent and deal with them
> yourself. If you wish to leave them at the children's activities to do your
> thing that is fine. BUT you must put in your time. If there are to be
> exceptions to this rule they need to be VERY limited exceptions or people
> WILL take advantage of it. The MOC is in charge of the children's
> activites, that person needs to be a strong willed person and NOT allow
> parents to walk all over them.
> Each event should stand on its own; no child should be banned in the
> future. Each MOC in charge needs to say this is the way these activities
> are going to be run. Parents will have to realize that they will need to
> put in their time if they want to have their child in the
> acitivities. PERIOD!!!
> I really like what the Trimarian's do and take the child back to the
> parent if they do not show up. I think that is just AWESOME!!! I think
> Ansteorra needs to start doing this as well!!
> Lady Ciana O'Hara
> Barony of Northkeep
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: shona haskins <shonao at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:19:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Bad things
> Please forgive the cynicisim of this response, but if a parent has a
> other things to do, and their child is fairly young, and the adult has no
> time, perhaps they should find a babysitter and leave the child at
> Seems to me that the children's events are put on as a fun thing for the
> kids, as we do want them to develope and grow in the SCA and come into
> own within the society. But in the end the childrens events really are a
> "courtesy" when it comes down to it, as we don't want our youth bored out
> their minds.
> But my question is this, let's say there are the backgroud checks, that's
> fine; but it seems like it's kind of pointless for this reason: the people
> that basically just drop their kids off and go do their own thing, in such
> using it as a baby sitter they don't have to pay for, don't seem so
> concerned in the first place. And those that are concerned about who their
> kids are being "left" with are generally the ones hanging around watching
> the kids stuff anyhow. So should these efforts be put into place, the
> background checks, the parental required participation...what happens if
> parent(s) refuse? Are we allowed to tell these people they cannot let
> kids participate in the future? And if so, how do you enforce that from
> event to event?
> Just some randome thoughts of my own...not intending any offense to
> and keep in mind I don;t have a child, just a nephew. But I did grow up in
> Amtgard, and I have been an adult that gets stuck with someone else's kids
> that then goes off and does their own thing for a few hours....it's not
> cool. And while I think there should definately bee something in place for
> people running these events, as well as the participants, this entire
> seems to go in a circle.....
> The fish are biting.
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