[Ansteorra] Ring belts vs buckles

[Susan McMahill]

I would guess that if they didn't have holes in the belt, they were certainly tang-less; if they have holes, then a tang was probably lost. There might also be evidence of wear on the ring of the belt that would determine if a tang had ever been present. Smaller belts than our 1-1/2 to 2 inch SCA 'standard uniform' belts would also hold their knot better. I have a couple of ring belts and I don't readjust them much at all once I am finally dressed. Technology changes for a reason. The tang came because of the inherent difficulties with fasteners (rings, buckles, etc) without them. At some point, however, it would make sense that there might not have been tangs. If these belts were Viking period or earlier, why might they not have tangs. "real" people used the technology that was available to them. In the location that these rings were found, perhaps tang-less rings were the norm. Just playing devil's advocate.
 
Lyneya
 
Well-behaved women rarely make history.



> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:43:20 -0600> From: jeanpauldesens at gmail.com> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ring belts vs buckles> > That would be my thought too... A ring belt just will not inherently stay,> and will loosen constantly. There is no reason to use it, when adding a> simple tang makes it much more effective. And since these were "for real"> for people in the middle ages, I don't think they would do it.> > JP> > > On Nov 11, 2007 1:22 PM, L T <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com> wrote:> > > Were they truely "ring" belts...> > or had they just lost their tang?> >> > L DeerSlayer> >> > Isobel de Kirkbryde <kirkbryde at yahoo.com> wrote: BOTH are period.> >> > Yes, I know buckles were made during period. However, ring belts were> > also worn.> >> > Master Michael Fenwick of Fotheringhay and I saw ring belts in the Viking> > exhibit at the Swedish National Historical Museum in Stockholm this summer.> > Yes, they were worn with the same "knot" that is worn in the SCA, The> > major difference was the width of the belt. The ones we saw in the museum> > were about 1/2" high for the leather with appropriately sized rings.> >> > We saw exhibits that were later in period where they used buckles and> > belts with holes, much like our modern belts. Moreover, we know from> > archaeological grave-digs, whose accounts Mistress Roane and Master Michael> > have translated, that Swedes in the Viking era also used buckles remarkably> > like those we use today.> >> > So both are period: ring-belts and buckled belts alike.> >> >> >> >> > Lady Isobel de Kirkbryde leanbh a �na> > Guild Head of the Guild of St. Camillus de Lellis, Kingdom of Ansteorra> > V-Scribe Canton of Skorragardr> > Deputy Northern Regional Scribe> > Member of Clann Lochlan> > Member of Clann Haddock> > Member of House MOO> > __________________________________________________> > Do You Yahoo!?> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around> > http://mail.yahoo.com> > _______________________________________________> > Ansteorra mailing list> > Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org> > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org> >> >> > __________________________________________________> > Do You Yahoo!?> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around> > http://mail.yahoo.com> > _______________________________________________> > Ansteorra mailing list> > Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org> > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org> >> > > > -- > "Write with nouns and verbs, not with adjectives and adverbs. The adjective> hasn't been built that can pull a weak or inaccurate noun out of a tight> place."> _______________________________________________> Ansteorra mailing list> Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org