[Ansteorra] A&S

L T ldeerslayer at yahoo.com
Mon Jan 21 14:49:03 PST 2008

suggested documentation is 1 to 2 pages...
and at least 3 sources...

A listing sources is very helpful in figuring out a person's interpretation of an item.
A person who is well versed in a subject often knows most of the primary and secondary sources generally availible or has heard of them... but most people use quatranary or tertiary documentation... which is often so removed from the item itself... that people who have a modern eye...and read the tertiary sources often go off on very improbably directions with their work. 

very often web pages for documentation suck!

It'd be great if people could give enough notice before entering a competition to allow a search for judges knowledgeable in a medium...
But since it's not currently part of our culture...it would take alot to make it a common part of our culture... 

You might consider going to a Laurel's Prize Tourney when they come around (I think they're once a year)... they try to have knowledgeable judges and are more in a display format... I think you'd like the atmosphere;)

I've heard of the kind of competition you talked about... where someone stands around and explains their art... but I personally couldn't deal with it... 
1. I'm ADHD (diagnosed and everything;)... and can't deal with sitting for court much less being chained to a table all day... (that's why I stand at the back of court...so I can walk off my ADD;)
2. I have a problem being on "display"... and "trapped"... you'd never have guessed that I grew up around the theater and was Vicaress (landed) for a year...
still gets to me...

BTW... I've never entered anything in competition and I have an Iris ;) (grant A&S)
so... actually you don't _have_ to compete to get an A&S award...

L DeerSlayer

Mystique <Mystique at phulesgold.com> wrote: 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Gunter" 
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] A&S

too long recreationists have been under the burden of "But EVERYBODY
KNOWS that ".
I judge documentation first at A&S and the piece second. Why? Because
I want to know if what I'm looking at is something as close to what
a person of the time would recognize as possible. I also want to know
if the person who created the item understands what he or she is
displaying or simply following a recipe or pattern.>>

True, but all out 10 page reports shouldn't be the requirement (I know minor 
exageration but I have seen it and even larger documentation)
At many of the A&S comps at events I have seen.. the ARTIST was there to physically answer/defend their work with both the judges and those who just viewed.  And still a JUDGE should be qualified to judge and should have a good knowledge of what was actually used in period before they are even allowed to judge.

The A&S competitions I saw at most Drachenwald events had a pre-requirement of letting the A&S person incharge at the event, know ahead of time if they were entering and what they were entering.. this gave the judges a chance to 'do their own homework' on the items so they would have the knowledge prior to judging anything. If there were questions, they discussed it with the artist prior to the actual judging.

lathe turned wooden goblet and really appreciate your skill. But I
also want to know that lathe turned goblets were used during period
and where you got the information from.>>>

As I stated.. the artist should not have to write a report for this.. not if 
they have perhaps a book detailing this information or even a printout from an 
acceptable website source. I would have no problem laying a book or two with my 
artwork.. but not have to write out the same flippen info in a document.. 
because in a document you still have to list your SOURCE for this information.. 
And quite frankly, how do I really know that the paperwork you did with your 
work is accurate anyway.  No one in the society can absolutely say, without a 
reasonable doubt that something absolutely was or wasn't used IN PERIOD.

Oh, and COTTON was warn.. just not by everyone ..in period.

> One thing I haven't really seen at the few events we have
>attended so far here in Ansteorra, are people sitting at their
>campsites actually making things..  other than a few merchants
>who do stuff at their booths or an occassional lady > seamstress doing 
>something while watching fighting and such.
>Both in Atlantia and Drachenwald at every event people were
>all over doing their actual crafts..

documentation isn't required. Arts should be that, but the artist
should also be able to talk about how this was used in history.>>>

Again.. the artist should be there with their art at least during the actual 
judging.. but their name should be there incase an admirer would like to discuss 
it at a time when the artist isn't there like during the non judging times it's 
there for display.

Also, at several competitions at some of the events we went too.. they did it 
where you had to actually MAKE YOUR ART ITEM ON SITE at the event (bringing all 
your supplies ahead of time) then it was judged.. some items required a little 
pre-prep for some of their supplies like things that maybe needed a few days 
prep before use. This way the judges could actually watch the artist CREATE 
their art and could ask questions and such.

I guess I would just like to see more A&S being actually created/worked on at 
events rather than just having a competition saying you did good. I guess my 
family and I won't have to worry if we will ever get any kind of AoA or 
recognition for our ART because we won't compete. We may display once in a 
while.. but not compete.. and we will just continue to do our craft at our 
campsite or while watching other things at events.

I hope I am not offeding anyone.. this is simply my opinion about documenting 
A&S. And I do know many others who feel the same and won't do competitions 
because of it.

*Jumps down off her soap box hoping not offended*

Maire O'Halowrane 
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