[Ansteorra] Ansteorra Digest, Vol 21, Issue 55

Sun Jan 13 17:50:36 PST 2008

Master Robert, friend, brother...

She probably doesn't know that a region is just an administrative district...
she probably came in after the districts were established and 
like most people... just didn't think about it further...

Remember also dear brother, that the Western Region has spent many years developing an identity of it's own... to keep people motivated and connected and to provide a support base so that people would travel beyond it's borders and interact with the kingdom at large and for the kingdom at wars...

I understand her grief... but I don't think she realizes that loosing status is not loosing what she is in the SCA for... 

I believe she doesn't realize that the people are not gone... just the structure is changing...to better accommodate the official "structure" requirements so that the people can still be part of the organization and not have to struggle to meet so many "requirements"... 

But then again... people in grief very rarely are able to look outside their emotional pain...

and we both know... that very few of the people in the SCA really understand the workings of the SCA... they want it to be a vision, a game, a dream... and are emotionally tied to that... 

they lack the capability of understanding the layers and scope and how everything interconnects to keep the organization going so that they can maintain their vision, game, dream...

All they see is "The Dream" and when what they see no longer fits their vision...
they get angry...and upset... cause someone spoiled "their dream"...
when what they saw in the first place... 
was just a vision...
a mere facet of the reality... 
not the whole reality...not even multiple facets of the reality...

sometimes I wish I could have that Dream again...
no matter how false it was...or juvenile it was...
that "one big happy family" feeling... 
that "everyone truly was looking out for each other"
that "the Crown always knows what is right"
that "a Knight is honest, faithful, loyal, and sane"
that " the SCA is a safe place" 

I've done a bit of grieving of my own... ;)
and soul searching... ;)

Mistress Lorraine DeerSlayer

David Whitford <dbw6969 at yahoo.com> wrote: You do understand that all the regions exist as admin
tools of the kingdom and have no standing within the
SCA? They were created to attempt to streamline
paperwork and related items. As for distances, there
are baronies in Lochac that cover an area probably
bigger than our kingdom(Look at their kingdom amp and
check out the barony in central Aust. and the one
covering the western area), somehow they handle the
distances-maybe we can learn something from them.
 Robert
--- jerry johnson  wrote:

> Unto Robert Fitzmorgan:
> 
> In re: Tivar's letters:
> 
> One little problem with, say, Blacklake meeting at
> Bonwicke and Bonwicke at
> Blacklake etc:
> Please GET THIS: THE TWO ARE 120 (ONE HUNDRED
> TWENTY) MILES APART!!!!!
> 
> How would it be if we were Kingdom and we told
> Steppes that you had to go
> play in Byrn Galad or Bjornsborg every week or two?
> Would  YOU BE ABLE TO
> AFFORD THE GAS MONEY AND YOUR MUNDANE LIFE TOO?
> 
> The cost of living in Western Ansteorra is much
> lower than in Steppes and
> other regions of the Kingdom because there are very
> few people here that
> make more than minimum wage. A few years ago, when
> the Western region was
> formed, many in the other parts of the Kingdom were
> against the formation of
> this region. Our neighbors the Outlands proposed
> that the Western Region
> could if we wished become a Principality of them,
> just as the Outlands
> itself had been a principality of Atenveldt. Rather
> than give up our lands,
> the Western Region did become a part of Ansteorra
> (this is not fiction, I
> was at the meeting where it was discussed)
> 
> Perhaps we in the Western region should request to
> join the Outlands. I bet
> they would be happy to have  us enlarge their Realm.
> 
> Or maybe all of us paid up members should send our
> membership cards in to
> the BOD and see what Master Giles et al think of
> what could possibly be
> going on out here to cause us to SECEDE....REMEMBER
> SECESSION, TEXAS?
> REMEMBER THE ALAMO?
> 
> Lady Morrigan dubh'Longardail
> Bonwicke
> 
> On Jan 12, 2008 11:06 PM,
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:08:53 -0600
> > From: Chris Zakes 
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] How to help the West
> > To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
> 
> > Message-ID:
> <7.0.1.0.2.20080112155841.03387158 at gmail.com>
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> >
> > At 02:22 PM 1/12/2008, you wrote:
> >
> > >    Suppose the the populace of Black Lake
> chooses to be members of
> > >Bonwicke.   I don't see any reason that Bonwicke
> can't schedule meetings
> > to
> > >take place at the times and places where the
> Black Lake meetings take
> > place
> > >now.  There can be a deputy seneschal to preside
> over the meetings.
> > >     In order to have an official fighter
> practice they would need to
> > have an
> > >authorized Marshall and any warranted officer
> present.
> > >     The meeting rooms can be reserved in the
> name of the Barony of
> > Bonwicke
> > >rather than the Shire of Black Lake.
> > >     It's not a perfect solution, and I don't
> intend to minimize what is
> > >happening, but there are other choices than to
> drive two hours, or stop
> > >playing locally.
> > >
> > >Robert Fitzmorgan
> >
> >
> > They could, of course, but if the Deputy Seneschal
> of Bonwicke In
> > Charge of The Place Formerly Known As Blacklake is
> holding metings in
> > The Place Formerly Known As Blacklake and the
> Deputy Marshal of
> > Bonwicke In Charge of The Place Formerly Known As
> Blacklake is
> > holding fighter practices in The Place Formerly
> Known As Blacklake,
> > how does that really change anything from what we
> have now?
> >
> >         -Tivar Moondragon
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:32:09 -0600
> > From: "Robert Fitzmorgan" 
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] How to help the West
> > To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
> 
> > Message-ID:
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>
<52f0db3e0801121632s51d78b14r9187b1ce65e614ca at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> >    I wasn't at any of the meetings where this
> action was discussed.  All I
> > know is what I have read on the list.  Without
> knowing the reasons why the
> > Shires are being disbanded I can't make any sort
> of sensible answer to
> > that.
> >
> > On Jan 12, 2008 4:08 PM, Chris Zakes
>  wrote:
> >
> > > At 02:22 PM 1/12/2008, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > They could, of course, but if the Deputy
> Seneschal of Bonwicke In
> > > Charge of The Place Formerly Known As Blacklake
> is holding metings in
> > > The Place Formerly Known As Blacklake and the
> Deputy Marshal of
> > > Bonwicke In Charge of The Place Formerly Known
> As Blacklake is
> > > holding fighter practices in The Place Formerly
> Known As Blacklake,
> > > how does that really change anything from what
> we have now?
> > >
> > >         -Tivar Moondragon
> > >
> > >
> >    I wasn't at any of the meetings where this
> action was discussed.  All I
> > know is what I have read on the list.  Without
> knowing the reasons why the
> > Shires are being disbanded I can't make any sort
> of sensible estimate on
> > how
> > this will compare to having left the Shires in
> place.
> 
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